/lit/ - Literature

>>19372558
>God is outside the universe
>The universe is everything that exists
>God doesn't exist
Christcucks BTFO

>>19372558
The universe is finite so you fucked your argument at point 4.

>>19372558
no, take acid and ponder the divine

>>19372558
>>19372571
>>19372572
God is the universe, read spinoza and >>19372575

The universe isn't real

>>19372558
God is rational jizz that's on fire.

>>19372558
You forgot one layer. None of that can be true the way it is without a human mind. Everything is filtered into words, and those words come out of mouths and pens, and those pens whisper into the future, and future men search in frenzy for a source. Tell them, not that god or nature speaks, but that men like you and I dared speak, and our voices vanished into the wind, but returned unbidden somewhere, to be regaled as knowledge of a higher plane.

>>19372580
pantheism is just atheism with extra steps

>>19372615
>regaled as knowledge of a higher plane
There is no higher plane. The universe contains all.

>>19372558
God is both immanent and infinitely transcendent.

>>19372580
God is the Omni god who is and is beyond the Universe, time, space, etc. The universe is everything that exists in our dimension. The Universe has a start and will have an end.

>>19372642
NO SHIT RETARD god I hate this board. That was my point.

>If I can imagine God then its real

>>19372661
this is how it actually works

With something that big, and invisible, representation and reality are the same. That's why religions need dogma, or else people are liable to imagine god into whatever they want.

>>19372558
>the universe contains all matter therefore contains all power
>the universe contains all knowledge
>the universe is everything so it is everwhere

>>19372642
Without experience the universe doesn't exist the same way, existence is defined by our experience of it. From a different point of view, nothing exists.

>>19372623
theism however, is pure, unadulterated retardation

>>19372683
Truth is truth whether there is someone to observe it being true or not.
Always will be.

>>19372642
Imagine you live in an n-dimensional hyperplane of a vector space, for example. Imagine you live on a 2-dimensional plane. All your buddies are 2 dimensional vectors as you are. Your plane however, is just a plane in 3-dimensional space. Now you exclaim nooooo there cant be more, everything around me are elements of the universal vector space, noooo there cant be more, what I can't see is not, and what isn't i cant see

>>19372706
Which is how people justify saying that God and dragons and nephilim exist, just outside of observable time. You're referring to things believed entirely on faith.

awful thread

matter without form is a big pile of nothing

>>19372706
how do you know

>>19372674
Prove his wrong

>>19372889
Him

>>19372889
>child says 2+2=5
>pwoove him wong!

If God is all-knowing does he know how it feels like to get his toes sucked by a black guy?

>>19372919
this "black people" meme is hurting you poor things. I imagine it's how Europeans felt when america started to get good in the 18c, like they were in every discussion. I say enjoy it while it lasts, American blacks are a historically anomalous race themselves, and their ascent is occurring against a backdrop of their not-too-distant disappearance into legend.

>>19372901
Not an argument

God is the first source of energy or matter when the universe was a matterless void. So not only is he the universe, he was before the universe as well. If there are infinite universes, he is all of them.

>>19372941
universe doesn't contain all the matter/energy
knowledge is meaningless
universe is everything but everything isnt the universe, e.g. my dick is not the universe. God is also not the universe. He is bigger than you but He clearly acts like a human and needs the word to carry out His plan. He does not act in any manner of speaking similar to a material universe of mostly empty space following a big bang.

>>19372868
I don't have to. It is.

>>19372767
Truth being truth is based on faith? Does math require faith to be proofed?

>>19372941
>>19372968
If you mean libtard god, just ditch the term altogether and say universe. I came into this thread thinking you meant what you said about God being a SYNONYM, a word for something real, an abstract entity in our minds that we connect with the universe. To that I reply, He is a synonym for the works of man in addition to nature. However, I think you are working with a different premise. By synonym you meant . . . poetic retelling of a real God that is both an entity and one with the universe. Is that correct?

>>19372999
The fundamental axioms are taken on faith. Or more like everyone can agree on them. You can also perform empirical tests that confirm some parts of math

>>19372975
>>19372999
The truth is what I tell you it is. If tomorrow I write an article saying the universe is roughly disc shaped, you will see it that way in your mind. In your mind, it becomes infinitely more real and "true" than it ever was out there in space, like God. This is why people connect God with human beings, not big bangs 15 billion ya.

>>19372999
Checked. Math is explicitly designed to be self-referential, but even I (acting like a child) can say one one is different from another one, and three ones make four.

>>19373030
You only think that because someone told you to believe it and you did. The truth is true whether you want it to be or not.

>>19373101
And yet you believe it now too... You're down to the simplest abstraction possible, truth=truth because it's in the name. Tautology. Nothing is actually signified or known by that name. What you're really saying is, you're sure something exists, QED. I agree with that. However, it's more rigorous to say that you exist. Everything else could be a hallucination or lie.

OP here. I make these vague threads because I like generating open discussions. Collectively you usually bring up interesting points and insight. Even though you guys can be pompous humorless twats I still enjoy witnessing your interesting perspectives on various topics (except butterfly). Love you all.

p.s. I'll never read Infinite Jest but I'll still talk shit about it and you can't stop me.

>>19372558
Baby's first spinoza

>>19373146
You believe my version of truth is true because you think there is a truth and that truth is true whether someone believes it or not.
I knew /lit/ was full of pseuds but you take the retard cake kek

>>19373374
pathetic if true, imagine pretending to be retarded because you can't stand behind your opinions
captcha: GAYS4

>>19373421
>You believe my version of truth is true because you think there is a truth and that truth is true whether someone believes it or not.
This was supposed to be greentext

>>19373421
Was there something confusing about my post? It's a little early for you to say "too many words"

>>19372558
Looks like an eye breh

>>19373431
Nothing confusing about hedonists like yourself. There's a reason why you aren't happy. Chasing it won't bring it back.

>>19373442
I thought I was the pseud and you were the hedonist