/lit/ - Literature

>>1935836

Absolutely not.

An attempt to try to do something with it is the argumentum ad hominem, pure and simple.

In many cases, hypocrisy might enhance one's argument. An alcoholic with delirium tremens who says to you "Whatever you do, don't start drinking" has his argument enhanced by his hypocrisy. A man dying of lung cancer who says to you "It's too late for me, but you shouldn't smoke" is not likely to be called hypocrite.

>>1935843
None of your given examples contain hypocrisy.

>>1935863
Hypocrisy is Christians who say they Love their neighbor but condemn homosexuals. They say they are Christians but they love to judge other people. They say they believe that the Bible contains the word of God, but they follow only the laws they like.

>>1936174

Yeah, fuck God.

Only in a potentially rare circumstance where the topic of the argument is itself the motive of the arguer. Perhaps in an oration defending oneself in court.

>>1936174
That's not really hypocrisy though, that's just a differing opinions about what constitutes being a Christian. Or what constitutes loving thy neighbor, for instance trying to save souls from the evils of homosex, etc etc fire and brimstone can be viewed as an act of love.

It would be hypocrisy if you had a senator who ran on family values platform getting sucked off in an airport bathroom. The professed belief has to be intentionally(okay maybe that part is debatable) contradictory to their own privately held beliefs.

Not unless they are arguing against hypocrisy.

>>1936216
Not even then, however if they argue that they themselves are not a hypocrite.

>>1936211
You are fucking stupid and it's not worth my time explaining why. I'm pretty sure people here are smart enough to see why (not you). Kill yourself you dumb piece of shit.

>>1936229

dude. chill.

>>1936224
That's true. Although, really only in a vacuum. The personality of the person making the argument often has a huge impact on the rhetorical value of the argument--maybe it shouldn't be that way but it often is.

>>1936240
word. why is /lit/ so mad all the time?

>>1936251
Marijuana addicts going through withdrawal symptoms probably.

So hypocrisy is essentially contradiction?

>>1936253
That wouldt be so absurd and ironic!!!

>>1936253
Could be true, long term marijuana use does have several forms of psychological dependence and therefore withdraw, irritability being a pronounced symptom.

>>1936272
it is contradiction of beliefs between what is said and what is actually held. Its from the Greek for acting a part. Its not hypocrisy to just not see the contradiction between two propositions, hypocrisy involves pretending to have belief.

>>1936280
Thanks

>>1936272
Hypocrisy is a contradiction between one's enunciated beliefs and one's actions

>>1936272
hypocrisy is not living up to your own professed principles.

No.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tu_quoque

"The well bred contradict other people. The wise contradict themselves."

>>1937582
Could be easily disproved by the first idiot you can think of.

>>1937589

I think he means that wise people challenge, acknowledge and actively welcome contradictions to their own ideas.

I'm trying to think of a modern example of a modern intellectual who does this...

>>1937608

Zizek welcomes contradiction to his own ideas so much that he'll often include them in his lectures.

>>1937608

If you are constantly thinking man then yes, contradictions show enrichment of ideas.

Do you know what is funny? I was thinking of Zizek just recently. I watched a documentary about him some years ago and was having a hard time remembering his name. Thanks!

>>1937572
>>1937572
This. Nail on the head.

Mother: You shouldn't stay up all night watching TV. You won't be able to work.
Son: But you did that last night.
Aristotle: Regardless of whether she did that last night, the fact remains that you won't be able to work.
Son: Fuck off Aristotle.

>>1935836
No.

Demanding consistency is only exposing the value judgement that a person ought to be consistent in their beliefs. You can't prove people ought to be consistent though.