/lit/ - Literature

>>19355755
pic related.
ill add Achilles and Patroclus and they are NOT GAY so dont even SAY it

>>19355755
maybe lotr?

>>19355755
Sancho and Don Quijote

>>19355771
>ywn have someone mourn you like that
the pain

Gilgamesh and Enkidu

>>19355771
>>19355755
>foids get into acadamia
>WOAH THESE CLOSE FRIENDS MUST BE GAY

Adam-Samuel-Lee in East of Eden

>>19355771
>>19356363

>>19355755
Razumikhin was a bro to Raskolnikov. I wish I had a friend like that. Also Suttree and Harrogate.

>>19355771
Cope, many of the Greeks were fags, Plato hated the gays but he was also a monotheist, just because he was smarter and wiser than the rest of Greece doesn’t mean that his views reflect everyone.

>>19355755
The fishing trip in The Sun Also Rises

>>19357025
Physical size/strength ≠ Non-Faggotry

>>19357203
Lol the british guy was the best character in the book.

>>19357025
By that logic, Xenophon was a way bigger Chad then bitch boy Aeschylus and he said Achilles and Patroclus being gay was bullshit.

>>19357525
You people make the silliest jokes

I wish I had a friendship like those of Nisus and Euryalus, Achilles and Patroclus, etc. Bordering on homoeroticism, yet bereft of modern faggotry.

>>19357200
It’s more correct to say that Plato disapproved of consummating pederastic relationships than to say he hated “the gays” as if they constituted a distinct populace. Homoerotic appreciation seems to play a vital role in his idea of philosophical contemplation so long as it doesn’t boil over into actual sexual activity (and his views on this harden progressively over time — in Phaedrus Socrates is lenient toward couples who ‘lapse’ but in the Laws Plato wants to make homosexuality as reviled as incest). Plato is more like a kind of homosexual St. Paul

>>19357576
>fucking leads after all the generals got killed in the march of the 10000
>writes a book about it
>gets to hang out in Sparta despite being an outsider and writes most of what we know about it
>writes a book about hunting with dogs and spends a chapter on what you should name them
>his reccomendations: Psyche, Pluck, Buckler, Spigot, Lance, Lurcher, Watch, Keeper, Brigade, Fencer, Butcher, Blazer, Prowess, Craftsman, Forester, Counsellor, Spoiler, Hurry, Fury, Growler, Riot, Bloomer, Rome, Blossom, Hebe, Hilary, Jolity, Gazer, Eyebright, Much, Force, Trooper, Bustle, Bubbler, Rockdove, Stubborn, Yelp, Killer, Pele-mele, Strongboy, Sky, Sunbeam, Bodkin, Wistful, Gnome, Tracks, Dash
Xenophon was an irl gigachad

>>19355755
Dr. Clark and doktor chaddar Watson. Remember fuck balls i love xans.

The Aubrey-Maturin series in general

>>19357767
>women are proto-fujoshi
What makes girls like this? I don't know if its just what I attract or my environment but all my gf's have been extremely disgusted by homosexuality.

Some Greeks particularly later on understood Achilles and Patroclus as having a homoerotic relationship so sure its justifiable, if you want to, to interrupt it in that way. What bugs me is how they chimp out if you don't despite the fact that this was far from a universal view, was only common later on, and wasn't even present in any way in the original text. As well at most you can interpret Achilles and Patroclus as being bi. If you've actually read the Iliad which most of these idiots haven't, they're constantly surrounded by beautiful girls that worship them and go to bed with girls in their bed, ffs the entire core conflict between Agamemnon and Achilles is over a girl, which later on Achilles describes as being the finest and one that he might take as a bride if I'm remembering right.

>>19357710
I believe Achille's ferocity at Agamemnon was largely just honor driven, but if I'm remembering right later on he does say something about Briseis that implies he thought of her as more then a fling.

>>19357856
It's probably just what you attract man.
All of my ex GF's have been bi, and in one case, a lesbian I made question her sexuality.

>>19357663
Ya I see twitter femoids chimp out if you acknowledge not all depictions of Achilles and Patroclus (including the first, probably) are homoerotic, however on 4chan I see moids chimp out if you acknowledge the strong tradition in antiquity of interpreting it that way (NOO NOOO ITS FAKE ITS NOT REAL!!!!!!). I don't know what kind of sexual neurosis causes this. Apart from the fact that Greek myths are highly mutable and its heroes do not always possess the same characteristics in major depictions, we are also dealing with a foreign culture that conceived of sexuality in a very different way from us. That said, as far as I remember, Achilles' interest in Briseis is purely as sexual booty and his rage at Agamemnon has more to do with his honour being slighted (being deprived of what is rightfully his, beign humiliated) than out of any romantic attachment to her -- obviously his attachment to Patroclus is the most intense one, erotic or not.

>>19357620
OMAE WA
MOU SHINDEIRU

>>19357582
>Bordering on homoeroticism, yet bereft of modern faggotry.
puts it best. actual gay shit is repelling, don't even care about the moral side. just need a friend with whom we're willing to kill&die for each other

Mason & Dixon

>>19357710
>I don't know what kind of sexual neurosis causes this.
Women insist on homoeroticism because lots of women are proto-fujoshi. Guys insist against it because lots of guys are extremely homophobic while wanting to ape the Greeks, which causes some cognitive dissonance.

>>19357856
>What makes girls like this?
lack of female character to be jealous of/ annoyed by, innate added level of piquancy and conflict, grass is always greener idealisation

bump

—————— NEW EXPANDED /LIT/ BROMANCE CHART ——————

>Best bromance where one is a drunken lapsed Quaker:
Mason & Dixon (Pynchon)

>Best bromance where one is not so bright:
Holmes & Watson (Doyle)

>Best bromance where one is a retard:
George and Lenny (Steinbeck)

>Best bromance where both are retards, just different sorts of retards:
Don Quixote & Sancho Panza (Cervantes)

>Best bromance where one is a dog:
John Thornton & Buck (London)

Best bromance where one is a dogsbody (cockney) who knows what's what:
Mr Pickwick & Sam Weller (Dickens)

Best bromance where one is a dogsbody (uncockney) who knows what's what:
Bertie Wooster & Jeeves (Wodehouse)

Best bromance where one is a rat:
Mole & Ratty (Milne)

>Best bromance where one is a gardener:
Frodo & Sam (Tolkien)

>Best bromance where one is a computer:
Mannie & Mike (Heinlein)

>Best bromance where one has been dead for hundreds of years:
Dante & Virgil (Dante)

>Best bromance which begins with bickering over beating time at a concert:
Aubrey & Maturin (O'Brien)

>Best bromance which begins with bickering over right-of-way on a narrow bridge:
Robin Hood & Little John (Traditional)

>Best bromance where they're literally bros:
Billy & Boyd (McCarthy)

>Best bromance where they're literally bros and also rabbits:
Hazel & Fiver (Adams)

>Best bromance which is almost broken up by a 2000-year-old thot:
Holly & Leo (Haggard)

>Best bromance which is broken up one member running away to Mexico and faking his death:
Philip Marlowe and Terry Lennox (Chandler)

>Best bromance which is sealed by a written contract pledging mutual loyalty and abstinence from alcohol and women:
Daniel Dravot and Peachey Carnehan (Kipling)

>Best bromance by Bill:
Hamlet & Horatio (Shakespeare)

>Best bromance by Bill that isn't Hamlet & Horatio:
Antonio & Bassanio (Shakespeare)

>Best bromance where the two are completely interchangeable:
Vladimir & Estragon (Beckett)

>Best bromance where they jump into bed together right away but no homo:
Ishmael & Queequeg (Melville)

>Best bromance where they wrestle naked in front of the fire but no homo:
Rupert Birkin & Gerald Crich (Lawrence)

>Best bromance that might be a little bit homo but probably not and is in any case, in the wider sense, no homo:
Achilles & Patroclus (Homer)

—————— EXPANDED /LIT/ BROMANCE CHART ——————

>Best bromance where one is a drunken lapsed Quaker:
Mason & Dixon (Pynchon)

>Best bromance where one is not so bright:
Holmes & Watson (Doyle)

>Best bromance where one is a retard:
George and Lenny (Steinbeck)

>Best bromance where both are retards, just different sorts of retards:
Don Quixote & Sancho Panza (Cervantes)

>Best bromance where one is a dog:
John Thornton & Buck (London)

>Best bromance where one is a dogsbody (cockney) who knows what's what:
Mr Pickwick & Sam Weller (Dickens)

>Best bromance where one is a dogsbody (uncockney) who knows what's what:
Bertie Wooster & Jeeves (Wodehouse)

>Best bromance where one is a rat:
Mole & Ratty (Milne)

>Best bromance where one is a gardener:
Frodo & Sam (Tolkien)

>Best bromance where one is a computer:
Mannie & Mike (Heinlein)

>Best bromance where one has been dead for hundreds of years:
Dante & Virgil (Dante)

>Best bromance which begins with bickering over beating time at a concert:
Aubrey & Maturin (O'Brien)

>Best bromance which begins with bickering over right-of-way on a narrow bridge:
Robin Hood & Little John (Traditional)

>Best bromance where they're literally bros:
Billy & Boyd (McCarthy)

>Best bromance where they're literally bros and also rabbits:
Hazel & Fiver (Adams)

>Best bromance which is almost broken up by a 2000-year-old thot:
Holly & Leo (Haggard)

>Best bromance which is broken up one member running away to Mexico and faking his death:
Philip Marlowe and Terry Lennox (Chandler)

>Best bromance which is sealed by a written contract pledging mutual loyalty and abstinence from alcohol and women:
Daniel Dravot and Peachey Carnehan (Kipling)

>Best bromance by Bill:
Hamlet & Horatio (Shakespeare)

>Best bromance by Bill that isn't Hamlet & Horatio:
Antonio & Bassanio (Shakespeare)

>Best bromance where the two are completely interchangeable:
Vladimir & Estragon (Beckett)

>Best bromance where they jump into bed together right away but no homo:
Ishmael & Queequeg (Melville)

>Best bromance where they wrestle naked in front of the fire but no homo:
Rupert Birkin & Gerald Crich (Lawrence)

>Best bromance that might be a little bit homo but probably not and is in any case, in the wider sense, no homo:
Achilles & Patroclus (Homer)

>>19358923
>>Best bromance that might be a little bit homo but probably not and is in any case, in the wider sense, no homo:
Plato, Aeschylus and Aeschines all say… homo

>>19357663
yeah like 600 years later depicting foreigners rendered as greeks and greeks who didn't practice pederasty at the time or place. also why do people say homosexual generally when it's clearly only about pederasty.

>>19358923
god bless your kind soul, anon

>>19358923
please PLEASE SOMEONE TURN THIS INTO A VISUAL CHART

>>19358923
Holy kek this is great

>>19358923
This: >>19360341
My smile kept getting bigger and bigger with each entry in the list.

>>19357663
>Agamemnon and Achilles is over a loot
*ftfy

>>19355755
Gimli and Legolas

>>19357025
t. bunkertranny

>>19355771
Anon it doesn't matter if they were intended as gay or not. Its ambiguous, you can interpret their relationship however you please