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>Historical fiction
>main character/narrator has anachronistically modern views

>> No.19349346

we need the female audience bro

>> No.19349353

>>19349339
>Modern views
Like what?

>> No.19349354
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19349354

>Main character is real historical person with well-documented views
>Still talks and acts like the writer's pet version of them

>> No.19349360

>>19349353
Wolf Hall where Thomas Cromwell sounds like a typical Guardian columnist.

>> No.19349401

>>19349339
i was reading "I, Claudius" by robert graves and it provided commentary on this exact phenomenon (which is ironic since it itself is a historical fiction book). i believe it is in chapter 9 where Polio and Livy have a debate regarding how history aught to be written, and Polio criticizes Livy for doing exactly what you are complaining about now. Probably my favorite chapter from the book.

>> No.19349418

>>19349353
Every single Bernard Cornwell book has one or more perspective characters who sound like contemporary teenage fedora-tippers.

>> No.19349461
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>historical fiction
>characters speak with Americanisms and use "OK"

>> No.19350903

>>19349354
all of plato's dialogues

>> No.19350956

>>19349353
>rape bad
>slavery bad
>racism bad

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>>19349339
>PRESENTISM

>> No.19351070

>>19349418
So read Aubrey-Maturin.

>> No.19351089

>>19349401
Read Graves “King Jesus” where Jesus does every fucked up Fdom msnuff fetish Graves loves. Also Graves believed poetry let him see through time.

>> No.19351182

>>19349339
always takes me out of it when I start thinking about it too much. same thing happens with science fiction when I start trying to reason out the details and how it would work in reality.

>> No.19351192

>>19351089
>Also Graves believed poetry let him see through time.
This is true.

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>>19349461
Reminds me of a favorite anecdote of Sir Paul McCartney, where he's talking about the band's song She Loves You (yeah, yeah, yeah)
> https://youtu.be/nGbWU8S3vzs
> We sat there one evening, just beavering away while my dad was watching TV and smoking his Player cigarettes, while we wrote 'She Loves You'.
> We actually finished it there because we'd started it in a hotel room.
> We went into the living room and said 'Dad, listen to this. What do you think?'
> So we played it to my dad and he said, 'That's very nice son, but there's enough of these Americanisms around. Couldn't you sing 'She loves you, yes, yes, yes!'
> At which point we collapsed into a heap and said, 'No, Dad, you don't quite get it.'
> That's my classic story about my dad. For a working-class guy that was rather a middle-class thing to say, really. But he was like that.”

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>>19351039
Yikes, JoJo sounds like he's on the wrong side of history.

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>>19349339
>non /pol/ board
>anon has incel views

>> No.19353001

>book set in France
>author finds it necessary to add random french words to all the dialogue