/lit/ - Literature

>>19329828
I’m NaNoWriMoing this year.

>>19329858
You're writing, and that's cool anon. I'm proud of you.

I have finished my daily 2k, now, I have an hour before work. Time to eat. Suck it, Anon that can't do 2k because of work.

Is writing everyday even if it's random inane drivel worth it and if so, why?

>>19330137
how often do you come to 4chan each day? how long do you spend on the internet each day?

If someone in your writing group gives the feedback thst your writing is “too hetero” do you gay up a character or two or leave the group? Mind you, it’s not a romance novel or anything along those lines. But it is clear that two characters (man and woman) are together and another woman is very flirty with guys.

>>19330087
Yeah? Well I did 200 words before work in the morning so fuck you I'm only 9/10ths behind you

>>19330294
I would immediately leave

How do I get disciplined about reading? I want to write but haven't read stuff so I procrastinate with the excuse of not having literary knowledge

>>19330318
You don't need discipline, just enjoy reading bro

>>19330322
Should I write more than I read

>>19330318
there isn't an ngmi big enough for this

>>19330339
No

>>19330343
Why

>>19330345
Why

>>19330354
Just read more, okay?

>>19330367
How do I analyze what I am reading to improve my writing from it
Or is it subconscious

>>19330376
A lot of it should be, yes. Language is a living thing, you develop a sense for it, for rhythm.

>>19330318
Start reading one short story a day. It was remarkably easy to get into this because its maybe 20 minutes a day. It improved my vocabulary and narrative. Set out a time block for it.
>>19330087
I need to get better at this. I was on a roll for a while but now I spend my time at home planning how not to lose all my assets or die in the next 3 years. Time to put on the writer hat again.

>>19330294
I wouldn't join something as gay as a writing group in the first place. I suggest you face your sexuality and just faggify your story as requested

>>19329828
How long would it take for a hook to get you or fail to get you?

The "first sentence is a hook" is bullshit, iv gave a book a few pages for any writing mistakes, then if it checks out i'll give it a chapter or maybe two.

>>19330137
its kind of nice to have some ideas on paper even if they're random so you have something to pull from (and only if you're willing to do the work so it makes sense to the story or fuck off its so obvious). but you got a problem if your "random thoughts" is longer then anything you've ever written.

>>19330465
What’s so gay about wanting to work with other writers?

Do your worst

>>19330557
This was awesome, is it your own work?

>>19330517
First 13 sentences.

>>19330586
Yeah I’m trying to do one every day

>>19330517
No it's all bullshit. The first books I ever "had" to read for school and actually enjoyed were Beowulf and Macbeth. Both of them are pretty rough to start out with, especially if you haven't even read a book in a long time. On repeated readings I still have to remind myself why I like them and it takes me like 1/8th to 1/4th of the whole book before I get back into the mindset and realize why I love them.
The truth of the matter is that some books have (subjectively) better introductions than others, but both could be equally entertaining reads. The only thing that influences people across the board is other folks telling them it's a good book. People will keep reading if they see a circlejerk about how good the piece is going to be.

>>19330624
This. Anybody who insists that the first sentence ought to hook the reader probably also insists you ought to save the cat within the first chapter and is otherwise all about the homogenization of writing and probably all forms of art.

>>19330137
No, no one here writes, so why bother.

I have a problem, and this seems like the best place to look for advice.
I understand that most of us here are aspiring writers, and writer's block is something we all experience at some point or another, but believe it or not, i'm lucky enough that coming up with new ideas isn't too difficult for me.
My problem is motivation. To put it simply, i've wanted to write a book for many years now, but no matter what I write, I can't ever shake the feeling that i'm wasting my time.
Usually, i'll work up the cougae to start writing again, i'll write out few pages, realize it's all crap, rewrite the whole thing, read it again and still think it's crap, and the cycle repeats.
Eventually, i might have something like a dozen or so pages, but it reads like garbage no matter what i seem to do, and once i realize how many hours i've spent working on just a few pages, a fraction of one percent of what i would need written for a full book, i can't help but wonder what the hell im even doing.
I could have spent those hours doing something actually productive, like looking for a new job, or going out and meeting new people. instead, i spent my evening in front of a computer screen on something bad, that no one else will ever see or know exists anyway.
I have plenty of idea, and i've wanted to write a book for a very long time now, but no matter what i do I can't find the guts to sit down and actually take it seriously and finish it.
I'm at the end of my rope, /lit/, what should i do?

>>19330688
Get to the point where nothing but writing gives you any sense of fulfillment, seems to be working pretty well for me.

>>19330688
You don't really want to write, you just want the glory and prestige of having written a book. There is only one known cure for such a condition.
Make an outline, set daily goals, then just do it

>>19330376
Back when I was subject to a self-imposed apprenticeship, I would do this thing where I would transcribe a passage I was reading and found to be particularly beautiful in my notebook. I would break it down and find out why it worked. You need to read a lot to develop an ear to differentiate between quality and shit writing. There's no way around that. Reading is important because you develop that ear. Reading aloud helps too. If all you do is write, you won't have developed an ear for a range in quality and you can't know if you're just blindly penning garbage.

>>19330673
The Shitkickers is released you absolute faggot.

Sold 10 books in person, like 3-4 via etransfer, 1 by paypal and 6 through Square:

>>19330732
Congratulations!

>>19330688
Read some books in the OP like Story Genius. Listen to writing podcasts like wriring excuses, but dont take the things you learn as gospel. There's no onee right way to do this, people break "rules" all the time. You will get a sense of your voice and how you like to present stories. Read a little every day. Write every day, even if its just a prompt or exercise. If there's a story to tell, you brain will force you to tell it. A lot of writers didnt start in writing, so dont worry about starting late or any of that.
Give yourself a break, it's a process. Not even Shakespeare wrote Shakespeare in his first drafts.

>>19330549
Because you're not "working with other writers" you just want to act out a stereotype and get validated like some Instagram slut, writing itself is secondary

>>19329828
To answer >>19328535
>Put up leaflets at the library or at college. Are you studying?
No. I graduated last year.

>>19330732
Keep it up king

>>19330688
>i'm lucky enough that coming up with new ideas isn't too difficult for me.
>Eventually, i might have something like a dozen or so pages, but it reads like garbage no matter what i seem to do, and once i realize how many hours i've spent working on just a few pages, a fraction of one percent of what i would need written for a full book, i can't help but wonder what the hell im even doing.
Writing is a skill that needs to be developed like any other. There's a difference between coming up with ideas for a story (theorycrafting) and actually writing them. You bought yourself a wrench from Home Depot, you don't know how to be a plumber yet. Stop being so damn hard on yourself for being bad at writing, you just don't have experience yet.
>>19330732
No-one-writesfag absolutely assblown

>>19330732
Seek help Jason.

>>19330294
You laugh in their face, call them a bunch of faggots and peace out never to return.
Alternatively, alternatively, you create the most obnoxious, AIDS riddled garbage faggot character and you make it the butt of all sorts of jokes and then it ends up being dragged to death behind a pickup truck.

>>19331173
I bet you took the vaxx

How long is too long for a paragraph? Specifically for a novel

>>19331398
There is no limit, go by what your art tells you to do.

>>19331349
You should really seek help.

>>19330688
>>19330714
this, also try writing short stories first maybe. even if its creepypasta tier shit, something. positive responses are encouraging and satisfying, and eventually idk, work your way up to the big boys

>>19331411
Why?

I'm creating and writing

Are you?

>>19331398
I don't think paragraphs should be over 10 lines long. But that's just me, I got traumatized by too many old books with pages and pages with no breaks.

>>19331418
Not him, but seriously, seek help.

>>19331428
Again...

If I am writing and creating, why would I seek help?

The only thing I need help with is marketing. I need some people to help me drive sales.

Since I make a profit of $19 per $20 book, maybe I can do an affiliate program of some kind where I pay people $10 Canadian per online sale they drive of my book. Hmm.

>>19331451
Stop responding to him.

>>19331451
>why would I seek help?
Ecuador you outed yourself as insecure in whatever thread you join.

>>19331451
>why would I seek help?
You are so insecure it only takes a gentle nudge for you to drop the facade of a sensitive, introspective artist and expose yourself as a self absorbed, childish douchebag who only calls himself an artist for his own vanity. That isn't healthy, seek help.

>>19331409
>>19331420
Okay I just started this. I think they might be a bit too long but I like where they break. The story gets way more interesting (or at least that is the plan once I get to it) but do you have any compliments or critiques on my style? If it's gay/cringey just know this is probably THE first thing in my life I have ever written just for the sake of fun. I'm still going about with the story no matter what because I am having a DAMN good time coming up with ideas and seeing how to translate it to writing

>>19331566
I have a really bad habit of wanting to put commas and semicolons everywhere. I find that just typing shit out first is good and then going back and spending some time on each paragraph cleaning up sentence structure is the best approach

>>19331566
Yeah, I'd split the top paragraph. "Others often spoke of the perfume", that sentence should be the starts of a new paragraph..
You use : when you should use ; a couple of times here.
I would also caution against the use of brackets. There's no reason why "or so she presumed" should need to be bracketed.

>>19331580
>editing is a good idea
woah spicy take

>>19329827
No, because I try to post it in moderation. I only post when there's a prompt about other people's works.

>>19331398
>>19331566
Top paragraph's 3rd sentence is excessively run-on. Same with 2nd paragraph's 5th sentence, in that case you could break the 5t sentence into a new paragraph. As a general rule, I might keep paragraphs reasonably short at like 3-6 sentences depending on sentence flow and like the other anon said it can feel claustrophobic reading these OG xbox-sized paragraphs sometimes.

>>19331585
Thanks. I'm only against making that a new paragraph because it's the same general topic and I feel like it would just cut through an idea halfway, but I see your reasoning. I'll clean up the colons as well. As for bracketing that "or she presumed," I've read a ton of books with brackets (I call them parenthesis but that is just a nit pick) and I don't find it too odd

>>19331656
Well I had a high school teacher who told me not to use them so I've been avoiding them ever since.

>>19331663
Ah, same here but different effect. Between MLA for papers and AP Style Guide for newspaper I never had a chance to use them. But now that I am writing for my own pleasure I want to use it as an excuse to utilize them.

Haven't written in a long time. Trying Nanowrimo. Wouldn't mind some feedback.

https://rentry.co/tizsz

>>19331566
You write very well. enjoyed your prose. I can visualize through your words and that's great.

Don't edit now. Keep writing.

>>19331522
I don't know dude, after releasing 2 books and being an outspoken rebel all of my life, I kind of have the artist thing going for me.

People like you keep attacking me here, but I don't see you releasing anything.

semicolons are comfy

>>19330557
Does anyone have critiques? I’m trying to work on my prose.

>>19330557
Could split the middle paragraph into 2 at 'Iguanas are not native to Florida.' Third paragraph could be split into a new one starting the panter sentence. I think the tense usages here and there bother me a bit but I can't put a finger on anything specifically.

Do you use contractions in your novel? If the author is speaking, that is. Or do you only use it when a character is talking

>>19332117
I always use them I suppose. never thought much of it desu

>>19331893
For me, it's the em dash.

>>19332204
FUCK yes I just inserted an em dash into my piece not five minutes ago. Unironically one of the best punctuation marks next to the semicolon

How much do you write per say?

Franzen said he wrote 8 hours a day 7 days a week in his twenties. People who knew Pynchon said he would sleep all day and write all night.

I feel like my 2 hours a day is too measly.

>>19332117
It depends on a case by case basis. Sometimes the sentence has better flow when using a contraction; I usually opt for a smoother sentence, than what is more proper. That being said, I almost never use contractions in the narration.

>>19330732
Where can I buy it bro?

>>19332298
shitkick ca

Add the dot

>>19332220
Stats up to July, CBA editing in months before June. August/Sept I took a hiatus. I also don't write daily, so I might go 3-4 days at a time without writing. something I just kinda struggle with.

>>19332396
I wrote 500 words yesterday. Now I need to write 1706 each day.

>>19331566
Not going to shill it constantly but I just want to know how exactly people write novels? This took me the better part of 3 hours and I have like, 2 and a half pages at most.

>>19332608
You live as an artist and the work flows to you. If you become open to creativity, it happens.

>>19332608
some days the words come out easier. some days they don't. persevere.

When is it time to scape a novel when you've worked so long on it?

On long is too long? when should i just give up and move to another idea?

>>19332725
The way I start a book is I know what is on the first page and what is on the last page... knowing that, you can easily fill in the middle parts.

>>19332725
Until it isn't fun anymore, or you are under contractual obligation by a publisher to get it done before a certain date. I presume your situation is not the latter so take a break from your current story or move on. It's normal to have a rut where it isn't fun but if those days have been numerous for a while it's worth it to shelf it

>promise myself I'll refine my style to make it less unnecessarily wordy and cumbersome
>halfway through my last writing session I find myself into a 2 and a half page long melodramatic monologue full of baroque wording that only focuses on the protagonist's reaction to the events of the prior chapter
Should I just own up this style shamelessly, or ought I to keep trying to change it? I'm begining to question whether I may be conditioned to a concrete writing form I cannot escape

>just wrote four pages of fucking dialogue.

>>19332796
Measuring by page count is subjective. How much of that is in words? Anyway, I have like 14 "pages" in 6k words and counting that's just dominated by dialogue. Yet, I spice it up with things like dialogue actions and such. If all those words are just pure dialogue then that might be an issue.

>>19332796
Good for you. I jusy hope you remembered to fill it with subtext, otherwise you will have bored your render to tears!

>>19332822
>>19332825
>If all those words are just pure dialogue then that might be an issue.
>I jusy hope you remembered to fill it with subtext
I mean, I'm bad at writing, but I'm not retarded. Overall word count is about 2.5k.

>>19332796
what i write has hardly any dialogue at all. i dont really know how people make up a whole novel of just talking. dostoevsky can do it, but in most novels the dialogue is the weakest point to the extent it could be taken out entirely and the novel lose nothing. most dialogue is needless and tedious, annoys readers, and slows the pace down too much.

>>19332912
You might be surprised by how easy it is to just end up putting down the words exactly as you mean them without taking into consideration the character's feelings. I know it is for me, so I might just be projecting my own insecurities onto you. Sorry if that's the case; I was hoping to alleviate one of my own and main issues by trying to help you.

>>19332942
>most dialogue is needless and tedious, annoys readers, and slows the pace down too much.
I'd say that as a general norm it's actually the opposite.

>>19332942
But dialogue is what gives my characters their soul. It lets them humanize themselves to each other in ways that simple narration cannot without the writing sounding exceedingly unctuous.

>>19333070
This, I always fall for the same mistake of giving too many lonesome scenes to my characters, which results in too much of their characterization being articulated through inner monologues rather than the much more engaging and richer form of conversation.

on monday can someone ask yona-poster if he finished his edit yet?
i think i need to set a deadline in order to get anything done. all i have left is less than a week's worth of work on it but i keep procrastinating. then it will be entirely finished, but this last crunch is just excrutiating.

>>19333092
I want to join Yona's harem!

>>19330557
I like it, but for the rhythm of the first few sentences. I suppose they are not identical in meter, but with a similar enough construction that my brain falls into a sort of a dull cadence. Would varying them make it flow better, I wonder?

>>19332942
>most dialogue is needless and tedious, annoys readers, and slows the pace down too much
I'll chime in and say it completely the opposite. The best parts of the story are often characters shooting the shit with each other and arguing.

nano piece is dumb so far but whatever. being scared of your own writing shadow is for losers.
https://pastebin.com/0E5QW705

>>19333219
I've only written like seven fiddy so far, I should've planned better before starting

>>19333136
she only likes men with dragon-sized body parts.

me wanting to incorporate poetry into my work
>before realizing you need to understand meter to do so properly

>>19332725
Put it down for a while and try other things. Sometimes coming back a few months later can really help.

>>19333219
That second sentence is fairly awkward to read

>>19333586
I have a serial killer who sends letters to people that rhyme, I've had lots of fun writing them

>>19333745
kino. Care to post an excerpt?

>>19330294
My novel takes place in pseudo-medieval Europe. I don't explicitly mention it, but every character is straight and white. They also worship a deity who is the Christian God in name only. I'm pretty much the only person who reads my stuff, so I can do whatever I want.

>>19333842
Do they all look like the Chad meme?

>>19333842
I meant, "Christian God in all but name".

>>19333842
based. my novel has a strict no niggers no jews policy. well, the sequel I'm currently in the process of brainstorming has vampires and rat people as antagonists, so I guess jews will get their filthy snouts in. I wonder what I should do as a nigger stand in? orcs and goblins are so overdone.

>>19333812
>Sweet end to summer
>That my identity you must surmise
>All I can take from her
>Does that really excuse your lies? …
>Lately I have thought of you
>Every single way
>You will see me, at the corner, next week: second day.
I feel cringe even sharing it but on the off chance you like it, here it is. He is sending telegraphs to his victims and there are messages encoded in each telegraph

>>19333612
Thanks. Yeah that was post slight edit. That's what I get for editing I guess.

>>19333842
>I'm pretty much the only person who reads my stuff, so I can do whatever I want.

>>19333878
>first few stories are all whites in the American South with a few exceptions
>each of the people still have various backgrounds
>prepared statement if people ask why in the future nationalities restore arbitrary boundaries and ethnic groups is because "the Demiurge made it up."
>do plan on writing story in ancient Persia so it involves the tension between Jews and Samaritans
>know I will inevitably get asked what I meant by it when it's not actually about Jews at all, just evoking a story that Westerners are vaguely familiar with

Rate my analogies please. Epic fantasy

> Military decorum dictated that a subordinate, which Tyrion was, should speak formally. Lucius von Solhart had done nothing to earn the respect of his auxiliaries, let alone the visiting voluntaries. Demanding the lieutenant address him as such would have been like pressing a candle closer to a scroll to read it; liable to conflagrate the entire thing.

>The voluntaries had pride to them, and the thought of pillaging for supplies greeted them like curdling in their milk. Empty stomachs were terribly persuasive though.

>>19329828
Genuine question anons:

How do I know whether a finished book is worth editing and proofreading? Am in the process of finishing a book and I feel it's meh. Way better than my first one but not that great. I just dunno if I should focus all that time and energy on editing and then by the end realize that it's dogshit and am not happy with it anyways. While I was editing and all that I could've been writing and practicing with other stories, you know. Is this just a thing of trial and error and a necessary part of the craft? Thanks frens.

>>19334167
Definitely hand it off to someone else to edit. I guess SOME people self edit but it is way, way better for someone with a fresh set of eyes to look over it.

>>19334169
Yeah, I was thinking of doing that. I was maybe gonna restructure it a bit and fix some plot holes but not really edit it as a whole. Any recommendations on where to find who can edit it? I was thinking of looking on Upwork

>>19333885
Interesting idea, a poet serial killer. I say that with a bit of polish you can definitely trim down and make it much more short and sweet. Not a poet, though, so I'm pretty sure my advice is not useful.

Maybe have your serial killer inspired by other poets? So you can then have an excuse to sort of mimick other styles?

One of the greatest writers of all time Gustav Flaubert, didn't publish a single thing until his mid-thirties. Let this be a lesson never to give up!

His-debut of all things-novel, Madame Bovary altered the structure of the universe and changed the novel as a form forever. Never give up!

>>19334149
1. Not sure whether its necessary to point out the whole scroll could catch fire. Aside from that, interesting analogy

2. How about you change it to "like the smell of curdling milk"?

Any christfags here? Can you lend a nigga a little advice when it comes to prayer? Is there a certain decorum that should be maintained when it comes to prayer, like a liturgy of prayer. I know of famous prayers in the Bible one would make to God, but more in the way as a simple prayer, say before bedtime. Here's what I have so far:

“O lord, hallowed by thy name,
Forgive me for I am a sinner;
A fortnight has passed since we last spoke.
I don’t come seeking salvation,
For that, all men fall short.
I know I don’t deserve your fatherly love;
But for my daughter, I beseech thee:
I fear for her life, and I know not what to do.
Please hear my prayer O heavenly father,
I am weak, so give me the strength,
The strength to let my sweet Sofia go.
Watch over her, whenever I cannot.
Be a guide to her, whenever I cannot.
Feed her, whenever I cannot.
Love her, whenever I cannot.
For ever and ever,
Amen."

Does it pass? What should be amended?

Wharchncolorns hembestfor elf?

>>19334260
did you have a stroke?

>>19334267
Which color scheme is better for the elf?

>>19334303
Darker skin for scifi.
Lighter skin for fantasy.
Simple as.

>>19334303
White, but what does that have to do with writing?

>>19334345
I realized I described her different ways throughout the book.

>>19334237
Wait are you just trying to do a meld of prayer? Is there a reason it's such "oldspeak"?
>A fortnight has passed since we last spoke.
This line is good if your character has already been, well, characterized as a semi-religious person. The last part of the prayer is also cringey but at the same time is realistic. But for a written piece I would still change it up a bit. Find synonyms for "cannot" and mix it up
t. Catholic

>>19334387
Thanks. For context, he's a 50 year old kraut that's saying a prayer for his daughter. Era is circa 1950's. I felt like some archaic verbiage was appropriate given his age and likelihood of him owning a KJV Bible.

>>19334237
I cringed, it's very tryhard. Which I suppose is fine if your character is very tryhard. But if you want it simple, keep it short. You can cut out lines 2-9. Slightly disagree with the other anon, repetition was pretty common from what I remember. Maybe use one other alternative, but you don't need more than that.
t. Baptist

>>19334461
>I cringed, it's very tryhard.
Perfect, I have achieved success.

>>19331687
Is my stuff that boring and shit? Just want to know if I should even bother beyond being a hobbyist writer.

>>19331687
>>19334496
right off the bat I'll say add dialogue tags. Don't be terrified about merging sentences with each other except when there are multiple speakers in which case you start a new paragraph for a different speaker. The accents are kinda excessive.

>>19334461
Other anon. Yeah the repetition is realistic and it also made me cringe. But maybe that was the purpose of his character lmao

>my chapter is only 2 and a half pages long
fugg. I wonder if it's just the way I formatted it on MS word, and if put on paper with "standard" font and line spacing and page size, etc., it would be stretched out way more. It's the first chapter so it needs to be stretched out. I wanted 2500 words ideal but its only 700. But there is nothing else to be said

>>19334540
I swear it's not that bad within the context of the entire chapter. It's all predicated upon the old man's unyielding love for his daughter. Honestly, more sweet than cringe.

>>19334578
>unyielding love for his daughter
cringe

>>19334578
>old man's unyielding love for his daughter
BASED

>>19334583
t. guy who reads nothing but shitty YA novels

How many characters is too many to introduce in the first chapter?

>>19334675
doesn't matter honestly as long as they get fleshed out throughout the piece in due time. It's okay to have a confusing first chapter as long as it is coherent by the second act. It's nice to reward a reader who took the time to read the whole thing and is on his second read and now understands the first chapter now that he has the knowledge of the full story

Are you guys all english major fags or are there some wild cards in here?
t. geology guy

>>19334704
I work for the Post office and a couple other part-time jobs.
t. college dropout.

>>19334704
I work fast food lmao

>>19334704
>Working at all
ngmi

>>19334725
I don't work kek I just graduated and I've been doing anything but applying for jobs. Getting nervous it's been like 4 months now and my parents are getting pissed

>>19334194
Is it gay if it's in a noire-like novel? Is that a lame genre or is that interesting? It's in the bootlegging era though. 1920s-30s serial killer

>>19330294
What they probably mean is that your understanding of the average person's sexuality is naive. I can only imagine that they mean to say that you are writing romantic/sexual characters, but that you yourself clearly don't have enough of an understanding of how sexual relationships actually look and feel to do them properly. That's hard to articulate to someone's face, so they hide behind something stupid like "too hetero."

>>19334704
chemistry PhD

>>19334704
I'm a plumber

>>19329828
I've hit a bit of a creative stump with my own projects. I was wondering if you could offer me one or two writing propositions that I can turn into a short story. I'd share it through here to have it criticized. Thanks.

I'm only 3000 words behind schedule, it'll be fine

>>19330294
I'm assuming you're a guy and the person who told you that is a women? A lot of women complain about male authors, that they make the female characters too sexual. They even have a reddit about it dedicated entirely to mock male authors about it. Generally it's stuff like "she looked at her own perky boobs bouncing around and bla bla bla". Generally, the complaint is that these female characters exist to please a male reader. Idk if that's what the complaint was about, maybe it doesn't have to do with adding gay characters. But generally, yes, i agree with other anons that you should just do what you want with your characters. What's your book about?

How do you give writing advice to someone who doesn't read books?

>>19329828
How do you go about writing a first draft? Is it ok to write disconnected scenes before stitching them together later down the line?

>>19334237
>I don’t come seeking salvation, For that, all men fall short.
I'm familiar with denominations that say it this way, it does not sound biblical. Maybe try "righteousness" instead of salvation, we cannot be righteous ourselves but rather seek a token or righteousness. With that token we can be "counted worthy," though we ourselves are not.
>The strength to let my sweet Sofia go.
Actually kind of like this. It's an acknowledgement to entrust God where he knows he's likely to fail: "For my strength is made perfect in weakness." The "my strength" in that statement referring to God's strength to save.
It's difficult to make prayer sound not cringe. Depending on the background of the character saying this, you might wanna drop similarities to the Lord's Prayer entirely and make it sound more plain.

How do you portray online communication in writing? I mean texts and social media messages? Do you write like people normally do (with abbreviations and lingo)? On one hand, it will look ugly as fuck and probably too jarring compared to normal narration; on the other, it will feel fake not to have online communication in a novel set in the present day, especially one focusing on young people.

>>19334704
Chemistry, shifting into management role and will be in lab less.
>>19334867
Chembros.

>>19335875
I think you should aim for realism. Another way of handling it might be by indirect speech, but I would not recommend it.

>>19335875
Look up formatting for epistolary writing. Usually the texts can be treated like that. Make an indentation and usually a new font or at least italics. It will stick out as a block of text separated from the usual narrative, easier for the reader to recognize. That is if it's more akin to messages. If it's like a phone call or VR, perhaps regular dialogue will be fine.

I'm so close to finishing my novel's second round of revisions! Maybe as soon as the end of the week!

>>19334675
Max three, including the protagonist. Preferably less

>>19335633
Tell them to read books.

>>19335778
Danke, this was a very constructive critique. I'll take your advice with gusto.

>>19334704
english major. huge fucking mistake, but the bill went to my abusive family so it doesn't matter

>>19333219
anything else crit wise before I fuck off to work again?

>>19336208
kek

>>19336243
>degrades the shit out of a mediocre kid to the point where they have a sort of personality death for many years
>wastes their money by getting a mediocre degree on full autopilot
seems like just to me

Another 2k done, I am growing ever happier, lads.

Any feedback on these opening paragraphs to my short story? Mainly wondering whether the descriptions are shit or not and if the scene has been established well.

The reception played out in the expansive hall on the warm country evening. At circular tables, laid with white cloth and centred with pink bouquets, sat splendid people: men bolstered by their tailored suits, and tapered women, that poured like champagne into their dresses. Under the lights, their luxurious clothing, championing every colour, popped in bright iridescence. It was a reception of precious stones, whose wet eyes, following the idyllic ceremony, still glinted joyously and had yet to dry in the air. Of the air, a breeze blowing through the open windows swirled the perfumes, colognes and floral scents into a paradisal aroma. Carried on this breeze, pushed off by tongues, cheerful birds of conversation flapped from rosy cheeks and gathered in flocks about the hall. Apart from sound, the delightful entrees lingered on the reception’s palate as waiters humbly retrieved the cleaned plates and refreshed the water and wine in precedence of the main course. Perhaps, everything sordid had been brushed off at the door and exchanged for effervescence.

Turning his attention from the crowd, the best man, Henry Lamay, watched the distorted newlyweds sitting across the table through his rapidly emptying wine glass. Even observed through his roiling red medium — that tasted a bit tart -— their jubilation and presentation exceeded the reception’s: Judy swimming in her liquid marble dress and Mark chiselled out from his sandstone suit. Gulping down his wine, Henry felt the sharp-cornered speech cards in his jacket pocket cutting into his chest. Putting down his glass, Henry took in the crowd again. It was the picture of decorum but had a powerful energy that seemed to condense in the air. The mass of it upset his stomach. Henry quickly reached for the shallow bottle before an approaching waiter could take it. “Just a second mate,” he said, pouring out the last dregs, a few drops of which splashed on the tablecloth, bloodying the white. “Also, when you have a chance, could you go to the bar and grab me a whisky neat,” Henry continued, handing off the empty bottle. The waiter disappeared into the outcrop of tables, and Henry emptied his glass again. Something sharp squeezed Henry’s knee, and he looked to his left.

>>19334521
Thanks for some feedback. I only use the accent in that one bit to emphasize how annoying the call might be, but I might change it to just normal dialogue to clear it up. I'll mess around with identifiers with the dialogue, too.

>>19336319
Waaay too many commas I'm sorry. And some of the sentences come across like you just looked up synonyms and used the biggest words you could fine
>championing every colour, popped in bright iridescence.
>following the idyllic ceremony
>Perhaps, everything sordid had been brushed off at the door and exchanged for effervescence.
All of these sentences running back to back just come across as pretentious instead of elegant.
Other than that the overall contents of the passages are very nice. I would, personally, tone down the diction here and there and omit a bunch of the commas. Constructive criticism of course; I like the essence of what I am reading

>Want to write a fucked up story about my illness
>Write the plot outline
>Turns into slice of life story

Why is it like this?

>>19330557
great prose, if you can keep this up for a whole novel i'd buy it

>>19334704
art major. i've worked blue collar jobs so far. starting my first office job soon. writing is something i do between jobs or on weekends

>>19336296
>2k
godamn, how? 1.6k takes me two hours

>>19336479
Small time, it takes me the whole day

>>19336319
>tapered women, that poured like champagne into their dresses
What

>>19336319
Reads like female fanfiction prose (no sexism intended)

>>19330557
I like the first paragraph, "The sky was red and orange with the sun, but the ground and all the earthly things were wrong." Really nice

>>19336505
god I wish that were me. I have from about 7 or sometimes 8 to 10:30. Gotta start making for sleep around that time.

>>19333172
Great point. The cadence there is pretty weak.

>>19335875
Check out The Shitkickers it has it in it

I read from multiple sources that you should pick an ideal reader and write for that person. So now I'm writing something for my mother and showing it to her next Sunday.
I sure hope I won't disappoint her. Anyone else have ideal readers?

>>19337085
myself

>>19336863
no thanks faggot

>>19337094
How does that work out?

>>19336479
>>19336505
>>19336602
It took me all week so far to get to 2k words. Will it get easier from here on out? Not likely!

>>19337181
well I'm this one >>19333219
so whether those are good words or not is totally up for debate
>>19337140
I just like being satisfied with my own work is all.

>>19337085
>>19337094
Myself as well. I want to write for someone like me, who would enjoy the very topics and story I touch upon. If I'm bored by my work, then I can be certain that my reader is asleep.

https://pastebin.com/NP8zhprs
Chapter 14

>>19337085
I'm writing for someone who earnestly wants lit to help them reflect on what he is. Not afraid to admit theyre wrong. Someone worried about the future and doesnt understand what to make of their life. Look into the past and future with a degree of respect for even the worst of us.

>>19334704
Private equity, always making excuses that I’m too tired to write

What are some funny books you've read? I'm trying to learn how to use comedy in a purely textual format.

>>19337586
I thought Mort by Terry Pratchett had some good humor, I liked Hitchhiker's Guide when I read it in like middle school so it must have been at least a little funny. As far as blacker comedy goes, American Psycho's great.

>>19333219
last bump for crit before I start writing anew today

>>19337586
HG Wells normally isnt funny, but the last book that made me laugh was History of Mr. Polly. What a based character.

>>19337722
I'll try to read it tomorrow if I can, work's almost over and now I gotta write.

>>19334704
I didn't go to college. I went to books. I did actually go to college, but I gave up when I realized I had no motivation to do anything and was only attending because I was expected to.

>>19337790
thanks man. good luck

Recommend me some good music for writing. I can't stand the silence. It makes me reminding things I don't want to remember.

Finished the first part of the novel. 18k words so far. I know it's going to be too short (lacking development and whatnot), but I'll leave that for the editing part. The important thing now is to actually finish it for once! I'll have a pile of garbage in the end, but I'm pretty confident I can shape it into something beautiful. I'll rewrite it a thousand times and thousand times more until the Sun explodes if it means I'll have a story to be proud of.

>>19337900
https://www.youtube.com/c/BlueTurtle

>>19337900
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3u2jQdAXrSY&list=RDQM6HEgcZMciQw&start_radio=1

Muv Luv OST is pretty banger

>>19337900
Normally I listen to classical compilations or orthodox chants - they get me into a trance. You can choose something suitable for the theme you're writing about - put some sci-fi ambient if it's futuristic or >>19337908 suggestion if medieval).

>>19336024
It's not that I don't read books, it's kind of more that I try to.

>>19335633
It's impossible to be a writer if you don't read books, lol. You have to read literature if you want to become a writer.

Chapter 55 released.
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/40361/erased
>>19337085
>pick an ideal reader and write for that person
I wrote the book strictly to entertain myself, because it was a story that I haven't read and I wanted to read it. I can't imagine primarily writing for someone else, desu. you know you best

>>19338017
Hmm, yeah... maybe I should start reading some books before trying writing this crap I'm working on.

>>19338068
Cool site. I'll read your shit later, but first tell me about the platform. Is it any good?

>>19338068
>https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/40361/erased

I can't read it with that spaced out style.

>>19338120
Check Reader Preferences

>>19338068
>>19338115
>>19338120
Yeah wtf is royal road? Why is there not some universally agreed upon site where everyone on /wg/ just posts to?

>>19338229
I can't stand reading on a screen since I stare at screens all day anyways

>>19338115
The platform is decent. It allows discoverability because whenever you post a chapter you at least show up on a list. Granted you get knocked off . You can actually search for tags in order to winnow stuff down to what you want to read.

>>19338120
>spaced out style
I'll be honest the only change I even bother making to style is to change my font to georgia - and only because they don't have times new roman - because the default text they give you doesn't make open " and closed " look good. It never even occurred to me to change that, or even that I could.

Do you guys really write some retarded light novel genre shit? Is there anyone here who writes actual /lit/erature?

>>19338260
No

>>19338115
Not the OP you replied to but it's decent. I don't know what your measurement of 'good' is, though. It has without a doubt the best discoverability features out of most webnovel platforms. Getting traction though, can be relatively difficult , though. I could go on, but it narrows down to pure RNG and 100% luck getting luck; this has a ton of aspects like what you're writing and your prose, but I think the genre you're writing is most of the more important ones along with upload consistency.

Like with anything substantially competitive it boils down to pure unadulterated luck, and writing fiction that's trendy (ie, litrpg, isekai, gamelit, splash of sci-fi helps). You could post the equivalent of genre fiction or whatever on there, but it might not gain as much traction. I've always said that success is subjective and what you make of it, but that kinda philosophy is not everyone's game.

>>19338229
I think there's an issue where the majority of posters here are staunchly against posting their works in any capacity because of their aim to tradpub and a multiple of other reasons I can't be bothered typing up right now.

>>19338260
I think the Son of Sun guy is the closest we have to someone who writes whatever constitutes as "/lit/erature". I haven't read his story myself though.

>>19338260
I'm writing a novel for Gondola in which he is a representation of fate.

>>19338260
The Shitkickers is mad dope

>>19338298
You are achieving the goal of memeing yourself. Even I want to read your shit now. Send the Amazon link and I'll buy it tonight. Hope you become the next Gardner, cause Call of the Crocodile was pretty gud.

>>19338068
who designed the cover art?

>>19338260
>actual /lit/erature?
Yes. Aiming for traditional publishing route.

>>19338336
Ain't no Amazon here pardner, this here book be bound by a basement schizo by hand and you'll have to know the secret URL mah nigga!

>>19338339
I did. I was looking around for an artist to do a black and white piece of art, but the turnaround time wasn't going to be that fast. So I downloaded pictures and made the black silhouette versions in gimp. The key was the most involved by far, pic related. I'm happy with how it turned out, especially because I did it in a couple hours, all told. I'm not an artist so simpler turned out better.

>>19338396
>secret URL
Tell me now!

>>19338298
It's shit and so are you, stop shilling your faggot garbage where nobody is going to buy it. I'd tell you to eat a bullet but cucknadians can't even buy guns.

>>19338588
Dude my shit is so dope and you're such a pseud

How does it feel to not create?

>>19338510
I can't bro, pseuds will rat me out to the jannies

>>19338447
Mind explaining the significance? Just interested in your thought process I hail from /gd/ and I'm a book cover autist

How do I stop self censoring?
I interpret things in many ways as to check mate others who might (implying anyone would like to read my shit) reinterpret it as someone else.
I will give embarrassing examples but it's the reason why I think, ok, I'm a centrist before anything else.
So let's say I write a narcissist, alright, their dialogue reflects it, their character arc reflects on this, and I touch here and there, first, I worry that I can't cut it, therefore I cut many things out.
Second, and this is such a stupid detail but it shows just how mindbroken I am, so this character is described as a blond, why? Because I think in color schemes but then I think, fuck this could be under a certain light be reinterpreted as nazi shit. And it happened with a trans character also so I'm not going to explain that one.
I just have brainrot from this site, from social media in which I reinterpret things so that I can avoid others doing so. My ideas are unabashed and deranged but I'm not.

>>19338260
My prose isn't that good but I am trying to make actual literature, yes. I'm writing a utopian story with themes of justification, immutable human nature, and moral irony. After that I'd like to look at similar issues on larger scale, such as when applied to a larger community or an entire civilization. Eventually want to dive into more theology and philosophy but I'm not well read on it yet, so I have little to say about it.

>>19338638
Whatever the case I got bored and made a book cover because I had nothing else to do lmao. Abstract because I have no clue wtf your book is about

>>19338692
Apologies over my verbal diarrhea and typos, this one time, I'm just nervous talking about this.
I get these ideas and it doesn't happen when I do essays on non fiction, I'm unabashed there but on fiction I lack all confidence and think, what am I missing? what carries unfortunate implications?

>>19338638
Sure. Basically they're the 3 main characters aside from the MC. Wolfe is literally the wolf. Magpie is, you guessed it, the magpie. Riley is the key, which is the representation of her little g 'god', which mainly focuses on freeing the undead and putting them to rest in order to be reborn. The undead are a number of things, but the most sort of on the nose ones I'm referencing are Flesh Golems, post op trannies that wish they were dead after being lied into mutilating themselves so horribly. The weapons are the simple weapons the MC likes to use, the circle itself is a reference to the rune Erase, which requires making a perfect circle and then desecrating it so that the rune itself desires to end its own existence. The splatter on the upper right that goes over the letters in the title I was originally going to make red, but I kept it white to better show things being removed.
I'm thinking about updating it with a reverse chromatic white demon hiding in the black on maybe the lower left, but that may or may not happen.

>>19338706
cool cool. thank you

>>19338716
Oh I see, very nice actually. Sounds interesting I'll read through it soon

Does body horror translate well into writing or is it a just generally better as a visual method of delivery

>>19338749
Anything can translate well into writing if you try hard enough.

>>19338749
what is the image suppose to be?
is that Gerald from Hey Arnold on the left?

>>19338775
It's from a web comic called Shag and Scoob
It's surprisingly kino
https://www.webtoons.com/en/challenge/scoob-and-shag/mayo/viewer?title_no=210827&episode_no=1&webtoon-platform-redirect=true

>rejected by publishers over and over
>one of them said it's a well-written story and it's great, but I mentioned suicide 3 times in the first 1500 words, maybe I can change the theme a little bit

>>19331893
>>19332204
For many a year, I was a semicolon man, but, as of late, I have taken to the comma, for it is an acquaintance informed by pleasant nods across pages, much as a man and woman at a ball, and it is a fondness made greater by its own literary preponderances, the likes of which, though it pains the excessively dull, has delighted the wits of readers and audiences alike for centuries, in a rich oral and written tradition.

>>19338793
>poster is me
pretty sure everything i have ever written has a suicide in it somewhere.

>>19338260
>>19338692
Just write shit. Write shit after shit after shit. You will improve eventually. If your "brand" is ruined just release under a different name later.

>>19337722
>>19333219
Done with work and decided to take a look here.
You opened with Samuel waking up, but subverted it by waking up in ashes. Many editors will throw away stories if they see the intro as waking up to a normal routine, but the conflict is already established. Something burned, but the protag apparently didn't. That may not be what happened, but that was the image it gave to me.
While I'm not a song writer or a poet, I liked guitar man's song. Probably the most fascinating thing you wrote here. I'd love to know more about where he came from and why he sticks by the gate to the underworld. The candle theme coming in with the ash piqued my interest. Any advice on how you composed it? I was going to study some hymns and try to write a few myself for a story.
I was surprised by how soon Samuel accepted his own death. Also a bit uninterested in him because he doesn't seem to have any motivation or feeling. I understand he can't express himself to others, but tell me if you were trying to tell us more about Samuel. That he prefers to explore the colorful, grassy path before "passing on" and presumably becoming ash doesn't seem to indicate much.
I don't agree with the boy waking up a second time, perhaps open the next scene in medias res. He's already down the trail of grass.
That aloof boy talking in the bucket made me laugh. It made me wonder if this place was mostly kids, and guitar man was an exception. When Icarus asked the protag's name and then stared at him, I found it really unsettling despite his friendliness to the other boy. That paragraph doesn't have much, but the intro with ash and melting down to the dew gave me this image that grass and dew might be more sinister in this story. I don't know where you're going with it, but it reminds me of "Thief of Always" by Clive Barker.
Do you know what comes next? How long is this story gonna be?

>>19338881
I have a general outline that I posted around here some weeks ago, but it works kind of like an alice in wonderland sort of thing. The beginning and end and some middle scenes are written, but it's the details between that I'm still working on.
In the story later, I'm going to reveal why he's so dead set on that he's dead, that something happened. Because you didn't see what caused it, that holds the answer, which is unfortunately further down the line. But also yeah, this reminds me I probably need to fill in the guy a little more.
I'm actually kind of glad you found Icarus unsettling, because if this were a visual medium, I think the audience would be too. He doesn't look friendly, which probably redoubles his efforts to be friendly. I'm also super glad you like trash kid, that one was a whim and I wasn't entirely sure he'd be worth it to have in.

and so that the jannies don't kick what's his face's shit in for shilling, I'll post the secret link for anon >>19338510
at least I think I got that right
https://jason-bryan.com
I have no idea what the book even is but I'll support anyone with the audacity to shill themselves that hard.

>>19330517
A page if I pick it up, twenty pages max if i bought it because the author has name recognition.

>>19330557
I like it. So far as critiques go, it reads like Cormac McCarthy with some extra adjectives. If you’ve read him lately, read some other stuff.

Is the weekend novelist legit or will it just turn our writing into paint by numbers bullshit?

>>19330339
No

>>19330354
Because you learn to write from reading and from writing. You need volume in both. You are going to learn more from writing than reading.

>>19338938
You don't need to fill in too much, because if this story is mainly milieu (go into the setting then leave it) you don't need to explore the character too deeply unless it's a novel. At the very least give us some reasoning to why Samuel chose the path. It helps us understand what he might do next. In Alice's Adventures in Wonderland, Alice got bored playing with her older sister, and her curiosity makes her follow the dressed up rabbit. So we can see at least there Alice isn't so satisfied with her life. Even if you don't explore something like that fully, it shapes the character a little.

>>19330549
Unless you need them to stay motivated to write (you shouldn’t) you aren’t gaining anything from them and you could be using that time to write and read.

How far behind are you on nano? I'm down 3000 words.

>>19330658
This is why I argue that the story doesn’t need to hook the author, the writing does. It needs to evoke an emotion, give the distinct feeling of a place or time, or just plain enjoyable prose.

>>19339006
Ah. Well, it is a novel, I'm unsure how long, but it is meant to explore themes that surround each character and all unify to some degree. It's just, I was planning on, instead of motivation dumping right away, to lead it on little by little like a pill in bacon until you get the full picture of Sam eventually.

>>19339022
initially shot for 1.6k a day, but now shooting for 2k a day. I've been making it but I think I can go further, maybe at the cost of a headache. As long as I'm not simply mediocre, I think that'll make it worth it.

>>19339022
I'm not writing in English.

>>19339036
Oh yes of course. You don't need to dive into Sam's past, you have to hold those cards a while. However the sooner you make the readers feel what Sam is feeling, the more they can be interested in Sam achieving his goals. Of course you can't resolve that conflict until the misbeliefs that he formed in the past are addressed.

>>19339022
I'm only halfheartedly doing it. I might do my usual thing of taking a few days of rest until the next chapter because I really want to jump into Super Robot Wars 30, and this chapter will probably be done in the next 500 words, then it's editing, publication and vidya relax time.

>>19339059
Right. I'll admit too that, this is me kicking myself in the pants for not writing by taking all this through a nano on a whim. I'm betting that this is going to need some hilarious levels of editing. I'll see about giving Sam a less deadpan observer tone. It was something that I halfway thought was an issue, but now that an external person sees it too, that makes me at least half right lmao.
>>19339077
oh shit you're done with your book?

>>19339022
I have a hard time doing anything consistently for more than two weeks or so. This has caused endless headaches for years but I finally learned to work around this instead of avoiding it, so I'm planning on between 5k to 10k words a day. Binge writing is the only way I'll have a finished product. Never accomplished anything in my life until this year when I finally started to do binge work instead of spreading it out evenly like normal people do. That being said, I am -600 words from where I should be. It isn't so bad, and neither is 3000 anon. We can do it! We're all gonna make it!!

Also, what are you writing for nanowrimo? My story is about a sixth grade boy who is in a love quadrangle with a Jewish sixth grade girl who despises him, a Catholic seventh grade girl who is flirtatious, and a Mormon eigth grade girl who doesn't know him. He joins the school play to be with the Jew and Mormon girl but the Catholic one is really chasing after him. Meanwhile, there was once a Student Consortium where the student factions had a balance of power, but after the leaders of 4th Colloquy graduated 8th grade, there's a vacuum of power and The Bullies take over the school. They relentlessly terrorize one of the Factionless, a boy named Mustafa, who the main character defends and befriends. Soon, he gets dragged into a plot where Mustafa is going to shoot up the school Columbine style so the MC has to save the school, perform in the school play, and win the heart of one of the girls he loves.

>>19339082
>oh shit you're done with your book?
No, very far from it; this is only the 5th chapter of volume 3 which is actually technically part 2 of chapter 4 but I split it at the last moment because ch4 was creeping over 10k long—so so I split into 2 to throw some bone to my readers. What is now ch5 is also 9k words long and might taper off to about 9.5k words.

But to make it really tl;dr; I write and publish chapters serially.

1 AM
ENERGY DRINKS
GOOD MUSIC
LET'S FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOO

I WILL BE THE BEST
MY PROSE IS GREAT
I WILL DO IT
LETS GOOOOOOOO

>>19339106
ah cool. I mean my opinion on publishing is do whatever the fuck you want, I might just be the kind of person to write a book and then stuff the printed pages in a drawer.
I could never do that live though, like write and then publish on a schedule. Deadlines scary when there's readers behind them.
>>19339116
YOU CAN DO IT ANON.
GO GO GO

Finished writing chapter 31! I’m in the home stretch, mah niggas!

>>19339139
how many chapters will it have?

>>19339146
I’m thinking six more.

>>19339150
This is my second draft. In the first draft there were only three more past this point, but that’s because I skipped the final battle on account of the POV character for that chapter being turned to stone. One of the things I’ll be doing in this second draft is changing to a couple of other POV characters to show the battle.

>>19339116
LETS GOOOOO WRITE THOSE WORDS ANON YOU GOT THIS!!

>>19339152
cool. happen to have any advice on writing fighting? I have exactly like, two conflicts planned but I'm dreading them because I don't read it or know how to write it.
heck I'll even just read a sample of your thing that has it if you think it's a good example

>>19339022
I'm 300 words up. My story is taking an unexpected detour into gay territory.

>>19339166
>gay territory.
It better be lesbians.

how many drafts before you publish (typically)?
i'm on 6. hemingway said he did something like 37 rewrites before he was happy with one of his manuscripts. what's the typical number? any published anons care to comment?

>>19339022
I haven't written anything this week. Just editing and reading. I did have to do a full rewrite of a scene last week in the second draft. I'm absolutely not finishing this month as I have another more goals to hit with these drafts. I can try.

>>19329828
I know a lot of anons use Scrivener, I've just started the trial and while I love the organisation tools, the word processor isn't doing it for me. Would it be worth writing using another application and moving everything over once each chapter is done, or shouldn't I bother?

>>19339160
Never forget that theater of the mind’s eye only goes so far and that descriptions of fights are being as shit (he struck, he parried, he dodged, they touched penises, someone growled, a shot rang out). If it comes down to just “a battle is occurring” then focus more on how the environment plays into things to keep it interesting (it’s in a battlefield? How’s the war raging around them influencing the duel you’re focusing on. Are soldiers interrupting? Is one of fighters trying to attain some larger objective while this clash is occurring?). Also don’t forget that, in a story, a battle is never just a battle. It’s about settling some conflict (interpersonal, ideological) which is not just “we’re fighting.” Don’t lose sight of the inner dialogues of your characters. Why are they worried about losing? What do they hope to accomplish by winning? Is there anything they don’t want to do to win the fight? Anything that’s making them have second thoughts about the fight altogether?

>>19339223
I’ve tried Scrivener multiple times and it’s just never clicked with me. I was much happier using OneNote and Word.

>>19339223
just steal it for free

>>19339290
I've been using Living Writer and it's pretty good, really handy that it syncs to my laptop, phone and whatever browser I can get my hands on. I was using OneNote prior, they're pretty similar.

>>19339295
I'll obviously crack it if I end up liking it.

It took me six hours to write this. I think I'm on track for my first novel boys

Wrote a little bit today, gonna aim for more tonight when I get home. I dunno if I'll have the energy but I'm gonna try. I want to make it bros, I don't care how long it takes or how many words get wasted. This is something I NEED in my life.

>>19339213
5 or 6 from what I hear, if it still isn't working or getting picked up after that move on. You're not Hemingway.

>>19339397
>>19339419
thank you for posting this
when I feel bad about my writing, I always get back to /wg/ to remind myself my works are great in comparison to your abominations

>>19339290
LivingWriter works great!

>>19339213
I publish on the first take after a bit of in-depth editing, but I wager this is more of a question for tradpubbers and such.

>>19339442
>>19339377
$8 a month?! Schill faggots.

>>19339438
Post it then, if you're so great. You do actually write, don't you? Don't tell me you just come here to shitpost at people actually working to improve their craft. That'd be pretty pathetic, anon.

>>19339470
The Shitkicker doesn't lie

The Shitkicker helps his fellow anon

>>19339488
Your mom is pretty pathetic. But I fucked her last night anyway.

How many of you have designed/written a character purely inspired by your taste for waifus?
Be honest.

>>19339470
Each to their own anon, but I'm comfortable paying that little for something I use daily. I also pay for upgraded OneDrive storage, are you going to accuse me of shilling that also?

>>19339470
>meanwhile
>me, using libreoffice, paying zero dollars:
>>19339427
reasonable

>>19339520
Nearly all of my female characters are carbon copies of girls I knew back in middle school and high school, except much, MUCH more sexually receptive.

>>19339518
>He's too scared to post it.

Keep coping, keep seething.

>>19339520
I'm too insecure to believe an anime girl would want me so that is not an issue for me

>>19339520
Most of my FMCs are basically just cute anime girls that I think of as daughterfus. I may or may not have a bias towards my deuteragonist who is basically a stoic broken bird rediscovering her humanity throughout her character arc.

>>19339542
I bet they wear the mask and took their booster

>>19339520
All of my characters, men included, could probably be traced back to some obscure fetishsistic part of my brain.

>>19339522
No. For that I’ll call you a whore. The experienced kind. The kind with the thousand cock stare on their face during every waking minute, just waiting to take a dick so she can get some money for her next fix. a soulless husk of a poor excuse of a human being, more of a cum receptacle, really.

Tell me your opinion on writing groups anons. I hear they're great for networking and improving your craft, but I always find they are dominated mostly by fat roasties who don't understand what I'm going for 80 percent of the time. Any way to put together a decent one online? Preferably away from a shit service like discord.

>>19330688
Sounds like you have imposter syndrome and it's causing you to feel completely inadequate and unworthy of being able to write anything. This probably started because you wanted to "be a writer" instead of "to write".

>>19339598
This anon has the right idea. Write first and foremost for yourself, put the fancy ideas of being a writer away. You have ideas, find satisfaction in making them take shape. Every sculptor starts with a lump of stone, it doesn't start perfect. Everybody's first draft is garbage (but usually better than your average non-writer's prose). You just have to persevere, keep trying, put the words down for you and then worry about making them pretty.

You guys have to FINISH things and RELEASE them... you have to start somewhere.

>>19339558
At least you tried to be creative, to see you relied on that tired old insult is a bit dissapointing though. Perhaps if I were some degenerate homosexual, repressed or not, it might've had an impact. Aim for more of a shock reaction next time champ, I don't want to read anything else that's been thrown about by every deadbeat misogynist, surely you can be more original than that.

>>19339644
How about both of you should get fist-fucked by a blue haired they wearing jalapeno-dipped porcupine mittens?

>>19339644
Nigger.

>>19339659

No one here writes. It's all larpers

>>19339683
One day I'll commit the ultimate larp and publish a novel.

How do you know if you’re writing too fast also my dick is very sore.

>>19339683
How are you going to feel when I teach other anons what they need and how to write, edit, print, chop, and bind their own books?

Even if only 1 anon learns how to put some extra money in their pocket while printing out their own work, that would be adding value to /lit/

>>19339549
very cute based, would headpat

>>19339659
Understand I have no qualms with racism nor misogyny, but I'm posting in a /lit/ writing thread, am I not? I'm trying to prompt a creative response, something you earthbound rejects seemingly can't deliver on.

>>19339683
This would explain it.

>>19339723
teach me, it isn't like trad's gonna take me anyway

>>19339723
Oh hey it's you again. You're based as fuck. I want your drive, you keep me going man.

>>19339723
>printing in A4 portrait
What the fuck are you doing

>>19339630
>>19339723
Do I have to learn how to sew/stitch to make books? I've heard that pages are bound by thread and it seems really hard. Or is it glue? Also, I'd like to make hardcover books. Is it way harder?

>>19339738
I bet you like the taste of nigger cum.

>>19339741
You bet. I've gotta sharpen my blade because I can't make quality books when the cuts are all crooked. Going to make a video series showing everything from the creative process, to writing, editing, printing, chopping and binding.

>>19339742
You will have my drive. I will show you how to harness your inner creative and finish projects.

>>19339752
Pimpin' the $/page ratio

>>19339762
I have not attempted a hardcover yet!

My equipment does the binding but it requires a bit of finesse to use properly:

>>19339810
Seek help Jason.

Is there a good site for posting written cub porn? what if it's got human shota and loli in it too?

>>19339921

book feels dumb so far but at least I'm commiting to this 1.6k word a day autism
https://pastebin.com/FagwyFCu

>>19339926
I mean I really don't know where to go because Inkbunny doesn't allow human even in prose.

>>19339630
>printer I bought 2 months ago mocks me from its box

How do you know you’re not writing the next eye of argon?

>>19339762
>ascendence of a bookworm mocks you mockingly in the mocking semblance of a smug loli mocking you

>>19339947
>I really don't know where to go
to hell. ask /trash/ and never come back.

>>19340007
>"what if soup?"
>"WHOA, SOUP?? GENIUS"
why is isekai so shit

>>19340039
youre a shit myne is wealthy as fuck at age 9 with 4 husbandos and you're over here a virgin poorfag who can't even make a book if you give him a printer and a package of paper.

>>19340013
Don't be a dick, anon.

>>19340070
do you actually think this is the appropriate place to ask about furry child pornography? go to /trash/

>>19340121
Yes. It's a place for writers. Do you really think 4chan is the appropriate place to be a virtue signalling nazi?

What format do you faglords prefer when people post their work here for critique?

>>19339960
POST PICS

>>19339890
I'm helping people, anon!

You should too :)

>>19340169
Text, image, some ghostbin to avoid censoring by pastebin. Some whatever chapter you may have posted like on AO3 or Royalroad or whatever. Go wild.

>>19340169
I don't care as long as it doesn't take any effort to access.

I have a character lecturing my protagonist about pursuing an art for its own sake and to just fucking do it. I feel like I'm writing at myself.

>>19340723
It would be better if he was lectured about privilege.

>>19340733
He's actually being lectured to stop thinking people with privilege have it easy.

>>19340735
We’ll that’s wrong and very hateful and I hope you get cancelled from life also touch grass.

>>19339933
>https://pastebin.com/FagwyFCu
>a diminishing grey that caused him to blink away the dust in his eyes, eyelashes,
Dropped. What is it even expressing here?

Why is this thread on the last page? Bump.

>>19341398
because it's past bump limit...