/lit/ - Literature

If a book has changed your life, living a little will do some wonders.

>>19327219
Quick rundown?

>>19327330
Holohoax pilpul about how some doctor (((psychiatrist))) had his family all murdered and was a slave and slated for execution in a "death camp," but somehow got reached by the (((Allies))).

Literal feel good pop psych to get shackles. If you want true change and depth and feeling Evola is where you want to look (99% won't understand, but the elite will). Nietzsche too, you'll want the Will to Power, his most complete work. The Way of Men is excellent as well.

BAP is less serious and more amusing, but worth it too, and Ma.

>>19327385
Thanks man, I like Nietzsche and always wanted to read Evola. Gonna do it now.

>>19327423
Retard

>>19327219
Ride the Tiger and Evola's examination of nihilism.
>>19327253
If a book hasn't ever changed your life, then you need to read better books. The advantage of literature is that it allows you to experience a foreign worldview on its own terms, if you have not benefitted from the experience at all it is because you are wasting your time on shit books.

>>19327219
This is going to sound corny, but this one. I was a big reader in my youth, then completely abandoned it.

>>19327479
Can you elaborate on Evola's thoughts regarding nihilism, anon? I would appreciate it

Bump

>>19327720
I can't sum everything up here, but basically what I loved about Evola's approach was that he treated nihilism ontologically rather than philosophically. We are used to thinking in universals, but to Evola nihilism as a phenomenon changed depending on the environment it manifests in. Consequently, the solution to overcoming nihilism also changes depending on that environment. A weak and decadent man will react to nihilism in one way, and a strong man will react in a very different way. In this way, for those who are willing to dare, the era of nihilism becomes a challenge and a test, rather than a dissolving force. Evola also outlines a system for overcoming nihilism that is not universally applicable, but is applicable precisely to a select number of people with the right dispositions to overcome nihilism.

>>19327219
all of them and none of them

>>19327385
Not even sure if this is parody anymore

>>19327219
Wait till you realize the holoroast story was just an elaborate origin story/ marketing setup to his career as a “healer”
>>19327385
I now regret the fact I gave it away instead of burning it in the fireplace

>>19327385
I'm not sure if it's a joke or not. Mutt hours, I guess...

>>19327219
Fear and Trembling

>>19327479
>If a book hasn't ever changed your life, then you need to read better books.
Such as? I've read Aristotle, Plato, Proust, Nabokov, Joyce... I'm starting to think the other anon is right.

>>19327385
This is hilarious because this book is actually a major Holocaust red-pill. They do not live in a death camp, they live in a work camp. People aren't gassed or shot, they just slowly work them to death over years.

>>19328900
Are you retarded? He explicitly talks about the gas chambers and prisoners being shot or beaten at random.

>>19327385
>Will to power, his most complete work
6/10 got me to reply

>I'm supposed to believe that an evil Jewish mastermind made up a huge story about his time in the holocaust and what that entailed so he could... tell us that life is worth living and that by finding meaning you can overcome anything?
Doesn't seem like the worst advice lads. Starting to think the larping nazi's here are cringe as fuck.

>>19329281
Cool it with the antiantisemitism

>>19328900
This isn't a "red pill" retard. Everyone with an IQ over 90 knows that Concentration Camps and Extermination Camps functioned differently.

>>19327219
I liked the parts of the book where he talked about concentration camp life. However, the parts where he talked about love being the only thing that got him through it were corny as anything, even if true.

Logotherapy seems dumb as fuck. Man's search for meaning is the primary motivation in humans? I don't think so. There are plenty of people who look for meaning and don't find anything, or don't know what they want to find and are stunned into nothingness.

>>19328858
Did you comprehend the meaning of the words or did you just read the words?

>>19329756
Yes. Now how am I suppose to convert that to life-changing actions rather than minor shifts in perspective and habit of no major consequence in lifestyle?
Real answers please, not smug rhetorical questions that mask an ignorance of how to actually practically implement anything.

>>19329742
But his meaning wasn't love, he wrote like 3 short paragraphs about his wife.
It was the destination of writing his book again

>>19327963
didn`t Nietzsche say the same thing 50 years before him?

>>19327385
Quality intellectualism. Almost matched this fine example.

He was in Auschwitz for like 3 days. Then he got shipped to a work camp. He had it easy.

>>19331559
This is a superb shitpost

>>19327219
Thanks, Peterson. Still on benzos?

The Last Messiah

>>19331559
Not bad for a 12 year old.

>>19328858
Anon, to experience another worldview means to expand the domain of your capacity for perception, understanding, experience and action. If you do not consider this to be life changing, then that's either because you didn't understand what you were reading or because you don't appreciate the meaning of what you have read. That's my thoughts.
>>19329795
If you understand the work you are dealing with, you will know how to convert it into action. You should also be honest about exactly what you mean by "minor" shifts in perspective. Everything starts with a shift in perspective. Some books have completely overturned the direction of my life just by offering a different perspective. But let's get to the point.
Your mental life is still your life anon. Books exert a direct influence on your mental life, if you let them. They cannot force you to do things. Once you really absorb and internalise the contents of a book, you have to apply the lessons in your external life yourself. To give you an example, a lot of Nietzsche's contemporaries took his works as an endorsement of pursuing danger, difficulty and trials of will. Consequently, they marshalled their will in an attempt to dominate themselves and the world in as hard a way as they could think of. That's one way of applying Nietzsche's worldview. Someone big into Advaita Vedanta may instead choose to detach from everything and to embrace fearlessness and indifference to all material circumstances. So on and so forth. The books show the way, but the will walks it.
>>19330726
Not really, Nietzsche fails to truly go beyond good and evil because he rehashes it as strong and weak, both of which have objective value - this is also what undergirds the idea of the Overman. There's really no objective justification for why the Overman should be pursued as an ideal. He also follows an ontology of becoming whereas Evola follows an ontology of being.

>>19327385
These Evola gatekeeping writeups get better every week.

Not one stands out except for the Bible.

>>19328858
By “better” pretty sure he just means challenging personally. For some people that might be Plato, for others they won’t get anything because they approach plato academically. Their impression of the work is more an average of second hand interpretations than anything meaningful. Reading wider can be as important as reading deeper, just be honest about not taking the easy way out

>>19332168
>To give you an example, a lot of Nietzsche's contemporaries took his works as an endorsement of pursuing danger, difficulty and trials of will
That is so vague I can't even consider it an example. I mean what you've said is basically an argument for self-help books by grifters like Tony Robbins.
Name a considerable change literature made in your life, and when I say considerable I mean long term relationships or money or the insight to solve a exacting real-world problem? I want 3 examples. And they have to be specific, you should be able to describe what actual changes you made and there should be no question they were directly from a book (or a body of work).
But you won't furnish those examples because you're full of shit.

>>19333291
>That is so vague I can't even consider it an example.
Maybe you're just retarded anon? I don't know. Or maybe you're just a lazy piece of shit who needs a way to cope (but also seethe at the same time) about his lack of ability to make anything out of his life. Who can tell?
>Name a considerable change literature made in your life, and when I say considerable I mean long term relationships or money or the insight to solve a exacting real-world problem? I want 3 examples. And they have to be specific, you should be able to describe what actual changes you made and there should be no question they were directly from a book (or a body of work).
These criteria you have put forth make it readily apparent that you have never furnished your mind with the understanding of another worldview. Evidently, to understand a new perspective on its own terms is too much for you. You have to have everything explained and interpreted for you in the coarsest, most vulgar possible form of contemporary materialism. Very well then. I won't attempt to do that because I don't really care what you think. I will instead tell you the differences books have made in my life on my own terms. First of all, reading novels shaped my ethics as a child and these ethical positions still remain in a modified form with me, up to this day. My ethical judgements, my actions and my conduct in my personal and public life are daily influenced by books I have read many years ago. I also have far more power now thanks to books. By this I do not just mean a greater quantity of power, I mean a new set of powers. I could give you a very good explanation of what I mean here, but that would mean sharing my entire life story with you in all its intimate detail, which would be inconvenient for me to do. I will just say that with knowledge and understanding comes certainty, with certainty comes self-respect and with self-respect come resolve, growth and control. I know who I am now and I know what I want to do. When I wake up in the morning, I know what I am doing, why I am doing it and why it matters. None of these things are a given. Because I know these things, I work towards my goals with the awareness that they matter. I train, I learn and I exert my will to shape the world I live in, in accordance with the standards that I have intentionally and deliberately set for myself. This impacts literally everything I do, from the subtlest shift of my thoughts to how I sit on the bus (yes, really), how I conduct myself in private and in public, what I do, how I do it and how I organise my life etc. etc. But in all likelihood you literally can't understand what I am saying because you experience life in a state of nature and you can image no other perspective than your own. The only examples that would fit your dumb criteria would be shit like reading Art of the Deal and then fleecing someone, or something else on this same base level of conditioned action and reaction.

The Bhagavad Gita

>>19327219
even in school this just felt like another forced propaganda book to me

lolita (not ironically)

>>19333553
Not one example. All I know is you're a bus riding poorfag who is on an ego trip, which sounds very base and coarse to me. Frankly, I don't want to be like you. Whatever your interpretation or 'meaning' from literature is, is one to avoid.

>>19333726
>Frankly, I don't want to be like you.
I didn't ask you to be like me. In fact, the only reason I wrote that post at all instead of calling you an ethnic slur and moving on is because of the influence of those childhood novels which taught me to be sympathetic towards miserable creatures like yourself. Perhaps take that as your practical example, if it qualifies.

>>19327219
Genealogy of Morals