/lit/ - Literature

>>19302423
>zero minorities
Where are the minorities?? See, this is why I hate scifi, it appeals to the fascist fantasy, and no, white people aren't a minority.

>>19302413
A good thing is the Cradle books are all fairly short and quick reads. I read the whole (current) series in a week.

King Bakker

Any good recommendations on books with heady intellectual organizations like the Mentats in Dune or the Maesters in SoFaI?

Really getting into Knowledge for Knowledge’s sake lately

>>19302500
based

>>19302468

>>19302500

>>19302500
Why yes have you heard of the Dunyain from R Scott Bakker's Second Apocalypse?

>>19302183
I want to read halo books now

Bakkerchads are in the house tonight
Every Man of the Tusk gonna have a good time
The God will make you lose your mind
Bakkerchads gonna have a good time

>>19303072

>>19302534
What's the intellectual group in this book?

>>19303484
The Dunyain.

>>19302807
This will set you up on what to start with and avoid
https://youtu.be/WEWEdIcx1DI

it would be really cool if corncob yecarthy wrote a conan novella

>>19302430
White people are 9% of the world population you monkey-brained nigger.

>>19302430
The minorities are in a minority and thus did not chance to be represented in this picture

The more I think about it, the more I feel like The Iliad is the peak of fantasy literature; at its core, its a deeply human story about rage, sacrifice, and honor, set in a world where the gods themselves are deeply involved in human affairs, demigods face off against one another, and monsters are very common.

>>19302423
Anyone know of some cool scifi book not written by leftist trannies? I really liked Flashback by Dan Simmons. Anything like that but in outer space? I looked at your mega link and its useless af.
I read the first book of The Expanse and I liked it but there are too many women and niggers in it. And I dont want to waste a second on leftist propaganda.

>>19302500
Neal Stephenson's Anathem maybe

>>19303638
Die in a fire, my man.

>>19303674
Ahh the tolerant one wishing painful death upon people who think differently to him. So smug. Very cool.

>>19303681
Fascists are the real punk, Liberals Venezuela

This a good place to start with Egan? It's the only one of his I've ever found out in the wild

>>19302430
>it appeals to the fascist fantasy
what's wrong with that

>Military fantasy in an age of gods
>an
>Son of the Sun
>the
Embarassing

Alright I finally caught up to Cradle. Started off alright with the typical underdog story but there's no payoff with the protagonist as a character. In an effort to keep the protagonist "humble" the author makes him act like a retarded pushover who lets people that are literally ants compared to him just walk all over him. Also the romance between the protagonist and the female lead kind of feels unearned but it's barely a plot point so I can ignore that. But the overall plot becomes a bit of a mess and the powerlevels start going full DBZ which I'm not really a fan of.

>>19303817
punk is dead and you facists are just trying to diddle the corpse

>>19302423

For scifi writers on here, how tf do you write something without accidently plagerizing other books? I assume its a little more forgiven in scifi as a lot of terms and ideas are borrowed but its hard to reword things constantly. I just want to call a warpgate a fucking warpgate but I dont want to be derivative lmao.

>download digital version of book
>read it
>love it
>want to get a physical copy
>they have shitty cover art
>or they're a series of books and not all of them are published by the same publisher and have different types of covers and cover art
I wish this kind of stupid shit didn't bother me all that much.

>>19304331
Read previous works (from the first sci-fi up till modern day) to give yourself a good overview of where the genre's been and where it's currently at; it'll ground you in the genre and give you a wealth of material to reference/call back to

>>19304331
Don't force it to be underivative. I'd rather have a warpgate called a warpgate than it being called a Vortua'lanor or some shit like that. Try and play around with words

Vortex Gates
Cosmic windows
Spacegates
Gateholes

Dumb ideas but just stuff to get you rolling. Or look up different etymologies for words or those words in other languages and see if you can combine them to make something cool

>>19304294
That's what happens when you have westerner trying to write a chink story with a western mindset. Lindon isn't allowed to have pride in his power because arrogance is seen as villainous trait. So he has to stay a pathetic pushover who lets everyone treat him like a bitch. If a chinese person wrote the previous book then Lindon would have humiliated his family and the rest of the valley for still looking down on him. He also would have beat the everloving shit out of Jai Long for acting like a cocky faggot even though Lindon is in another league at this point.

>>19304395

yeah I ended up just using Jump-Gate as a place holder but I guess I could just use that. Im not exactly trying to reinvent the wheel, I actually assume when I finish this story its going to be complete shit, but I really want to get into scifi writing. Thanks for the help.

>>19304331
Make up some dumb name for it, like Frazzoo. It will sound believable in context.

>>19304402
>If a chinese person wrote the previous book then Lindon would have humiliated his family and the rest of the valley for still looking down on him. He also would have beat the everloving shit out of Jai Long for acting like a cocky faggot even though Lindon is in another league at this point.
So, just like all the other 102391 generic xianxias?

Amazon's Waste of Time

>>19304412
I'd rather take generic xianxia over some half assed attempt at it.

>>19304331
So call it stargate, interstellargate, voidstone, cosmic link, hot potato, whatever. Or stop being a pussy and call it a warpgate.

>>19304412
Not him, and I never read those things, but no one ever wants to read about a pushover main character. It's boring and irritating.

>>19304458
I've read a shit ton of trash xianxias and Cradle is ten times better than any of them

>>19304467

im gonna warp right into your ass bro

He has come.

>>19304407
No prob. Do you like reading fantasy as well? Cuz I have some need for some suggestions for writing as well. Any anon that wants to jump in is welcone

I love writing fantasy because I can make the world suit my story, if that makes sense. I also enjoy magic but I don't have a super hard boner for intricate magic systems. If it adds to the story, I'm all for it.

That being said, this means that my world building is not exactly at the forefront. Is this a plus or a negative for you guys? I love world building but I just feel that focusing too much on "look how cool and badass this shit is" can be detrimental to the pacing and ends up reading like pulp. Is there a way you guys prefer your world building? Some things that could make it more subtle instead of getting info dumped?

>>19304167
Permutation City.

>>19304294
>damn yerin be lookin-
>wait is that little blue
>damn little blue be-
>no wait that's wrong somehow fuck

>>19304294
>>19304402
>>19304471
For what it's worth, Lindon is the main character of the narrative, but Eithan is actually the protagonist.

>>19304331
Do what I do, give it two names, one that is used in official documents, and one that people use daily.

You could use Warpgate when the people in charge speak or it's used in an official document, etc., and call it Spacering, Ring, Tube, etc. when the engineers, (space)soldiers speak with one another.

>>19302430
Because all dark skinned people know dark skin is ugly and will genetically modify themselves to somewhere between white and gyaru as soon as they get the chance. A better question is where are the furries?

>>19302430
All the black people moved to Wakanda.

>>19302423
I really love these books, and I'm looking forward to the audio version that just came out.
Any other recommendations for the same feel?

So, were Titus Groan and the rest of the Gormenghast series considered to be quality literature back then, or were they more of a pulpy sort of fantasy and the writing still comes off as worlds above anything written today because that's how much fantasy has declined?

Looking at the archive, the /tv/ threads for Wheel of Time are already full of astroturfing shills so I guess I'm stuck with this place when I want to discuss the series. At least when you shitpost you're doing it for free.

>>19305395
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJtFXTIEwYQ
Here's a better adaptation of Wheel of Time

>>19305535
Is the OST for the show out yet and is there a medievalized cover of this song on it?

>>19305584
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kZ1bbXUEweQ
No it's just Blind Guardian

I'm reading World of Ice and Fire and I'm really enjoying all this whimsical world building. I loved Game of Thrones and the wonderful fantasy world it presented, and fell out of love with Clash of Kings, which immediately set out to deconstruct everything and make Westeros much more dreary and dark. I know that was the point, but I didn't much care for that concept.

So can you guys recommend me stories that are similar to ASOIAF but don't go full ow the edge? Stories of medieval fantasy politics with dragons and castles that aren't as dour as ASOIAF became after the first book.

>>19305611
Yeah the problem with ASOIAF is it's set in the least interesting point in history and about the least interesting characters. At least until the end game shit happens (if it ever happens)

>>19305301
It was published in hardcover for adults, but not widely recognized. Peake was better known for his illustrations and poetry when he was alive.

>>19305627
Lyonesse maybe. Fantasy books usually have to wax grim or lyrical to be interesting. Or go full retard like Glen Cook and make your mc a cross between Hillary Clinton and Alucard.

Just finished the Prince of Nothing books.
Any light and fun series to pick up before diving into The Aspect-Emperor?

>>19305611
The Once and Future King

>>19305166
io rapes latro

Dûnyain: chad or chud ?

>>19305905
those mean the same thing

>>19305611
>tfw you take off the princess' clothing and her body is utterly disgusting

>>19305781
I'm reading through the series now. In between volumes I read a few pulp stories. Smashed through a bunch of Fafhrd and the Grey Mouser last. It's fun and humorous while still being stimulating enough to hold my attention across multiple stories between Bakker's dense novels.

>>19305774
I know GRRM is supposed to be influenced by Vance, but I don't see how Lyonesse fits in with what he asked to be recommended

>>19305905
>chad or chud
both

Recommend me chad sci-fi

>>19306396
doesn't get chadder than this

>>19306175
Because Lyonesse isn't grimderp but still written in colloquial prose like GRRM.

I got no friends, only bakker

>>19306177
Lvl 99 Chud Alpha "gymcel"

>>19306539
Stats:
+99 muscles
+100 hatred and resentment
0 jaw line
0 happiness

>>19306556
built for Big Inchoroi Cock

>>19306556
Cute girls aren't /sffg/ related

What are some good books for banana aficionados?

>>19305395
It was always going to be impossible to talk about WoT on /tv/ even if the adaptation was the most perfect adaptation anyone could possibly make, because the series is full of women who are stronger than men, and some of them are even Black.

Fuck Cumcumbersois

Me snacking after reading TSA in one sitting

>>19306633
Based TSA Enjoyer

>>19306556
cringe
>>19306633
based

>>19306633
TSA?

theres a thousand 40k books, which book/series do I start with?

>>19306702
Read the entire Horus heresy

>>19306702
No, start with Gaunt's Ghosts!

>>19306565
>>19306575
>>19306642
you guys sucks hard if you continue like this, no one will post cuties again
>>19306556
sauce btw?

>>19306678
The Second Achadocalypse

>>19302423
Have you taken your meds, /sffg/?

>>19307056
Does this fat fuck even write anymore?

>>19307056
a big the reason people are for vaccine mandates is that some huge percentage of the population is already medicated like domestic livestock and can't see why anyone would think one more injection is objectionable

Just finished World’s Best Martial Artist in mtl

I liked it quite a bit
It was really long though, 8.3 million words

>>19307080
or because most of the population doesn't invent crackpot conspiracy theories to hide the fact that they're little baby bitchboys who are afraid of needles

>>19304402
And you have westerners copying the trend of more pov’s = more epic
When the best xianxia is almost entirely following the main character

>>19307080
Why don't you want the vaccine, anon? Simply not wanting to do what your government tells you to for it's own sake is not a good enough answer.

>>19307100
do you really think people who don't get vaccinated are just afraid of needles? How many medications do you take, just out of curiosity

>>19307106
I think it is. If people do not stand up they will clearly keep asking for more compliance. It is an unnecessary measure for a healthy person. If you don't see the demands being stacked, you need a higher level view. People say they would eventually stand up to unreasonable demands, but honestly theres isn't a lot of evidence for that currently

>>19307056
I've not taken any kind of medication for any reason for the past 20 years

>>19307167
ok, sorry for being suspicious

>>19307106
The severity of the disease (negligible) does not warrant taking an mrna treatment (which is not a vaccine) which has skipped years worth of testing in an effort for our governments to be seen as Doing Something (tm) in an effort to get near death, overweight boomers to live for an extra six months at the expense of everyone else.

Also just not taking it, simple as.

>>19307167
Patrick Rothfuss takes meds though, so you're a heckin' chud for saying that men are weak for taking them.

>>19307207
He is weak. He should sudoku himself.

>>19307115
>do you really think people who don't get vaccinated are just afraid of needles?
yes, I do you little baby bitchboy

>>19307235
Follow your leader. Kill yourself like Adolf Hitler.

>>19307308
you mean go into exile in argentina

>>19307318
EPIC EPIC EPIC BACON REDDIT!

>>19307106
Because I already had the virus, and frankly you're all a bunch of faggots crying about something halfway between a cold and a flu. If you still want me to 'enhance' my natural immunity with some bespoke dead baby juice, I'm going to need about 30oz of gold to assuage my religiosity.

Just finished Dune and started Dune Messiah. My favorite moment so far is when Alia called herself a freak and Hera immediatrly went to comfort her, cute as hell

>>19307356
I hope you stop after that. Dune is great, Messiah is good, Children is trash, and God Emperor is a meme.

>>19307377
I think this guy is right. My intention was to get all the way through god emperor before the movie, but i was stopped dead in my tracks halfway through Children of Dune

>>19307377
I'll stop whenever I get bored, so far there's enough humanity and romance that breaks up the conspiracy and destiny stuff

>reading TH White
>He introduces Morgan le Fay as a middle-aged fat woman lying on a bed of lard
Uhhh that's weird. Does she still rape Arthur in this version?

>>19307507
Nope. Morgause is the one who seduces him.

>>19307137
>If people do not stand up they will clearly keep asking for more compliance.
American detected. Opinion discarded

>>19307356
Classy cover. Also disregard the retard below - God Emperor of Dune is the best in the series.

>>19307102
Recommend me some xianxia, I want to try reading one/some

Should I read Black Sun Rising?

>>19308272
I don't care.

>>19308272
It was written by a woman, so no.

>>19308300
fuck off

>>19304294
>googles cradle
>sees the results

Holy shit this is the most tryhard “Anime” attempt I’ve ever seen done by a Westerner. Do you guys really read this stuff? Its like the step-child of Avatar and Inspector Gadget.

>>19306702
Read the Ciaphas Cain novels!

>>19308153
World of Cultivation

>>19307090
>mtl
Truly you are far beyond any hope now.

>>19308556
>Holy shit this is the most tryhard “Anime” attempt I’ve ever seen done by a Westerner
No that distinction goes to Sanderson.

>>19308153
martial world

>>19302430
>this is why I hate scifi, it appeals to ... fantasy
That's the point, isn't it? Nice meme.
>white people aren't a minority
The accepted number of "White" people in the world is around 9%.

>>19302468
I am currently reading "The Aspect Emperor" and I find the themes interesting and the prose powerful. Contrarfy to most fantasy writers, Bakker's works actually make me think about life.

Am I a dimwit

>>19309071
That's just the power of Truth, anon

For me, its Disciple of the Dog

Any good sci-fi that's also decent romance? I'm a very sentimental man

>>19309096
>dude I smoke crack lol

Written like a guy who doesn’t actually do drugs. Otherwise that was pretty good.

>>19303637
It's not fantasy.

>>19309071
Bakker literally wrote the most compelling, realistic, and human characters I've ever read in fantasy.

He created a void for me which doesn't allow me to enjoy almost any other fantasy writer anymore. They simply pale in comparison.

>>19305166
William T. Vollmann's Last Stories and Other Stories.
Unironically Bakker.

>>19303637
It's not fantasy

>>19309165
So the Greek Gods are real?

>>19302500
Have you heard of the philosopher and fantasy writer R. Scott Bakker?

>>19303637
This is true except the Divine Comedy is the true peak.

>>19309195
Yes. Read Breakdown of the Bicameral Mind

I'm generally inclined to allowing that eliminative materialism and epiphenomenalism have a good deal of empirical evidence to support their claims, but still find hope for meaning in Hegelian semiotics and Boehme-inspired ontologies.

Is it cringe to sum this up by admitting to others that I am a Bakkerite? No one else combines the themes. There must be other Bakkerites out there.

Honest opinion on the witcher books?

>>19309237
trash

>>19309237
They are okay at best, 100x better than the games

>>19309228
Imagine getting your philosophy from rape/cuckold fetish lit...

>>19309237
I really liked the short stories. Only read the first of the main series. I didn't like it as much. The whole racism theme just wasn't done with particular depth, and the whole problem of engagement wasn't either. I feel like the Quite American did a similar theme way better.

Not that fantasy has to have huge literary merit to work, but then the world and characters didn't grab me particularly either.

>>19309279
I loved the games. It is a very rare game I actually finish. W3 was the only open world game I ever finished although I did play a lot of New Vegas and liked that. Much better than Skyrim, just a much more immersive world and better story. I will say the DLC was way better than the main game. If you don't have time for a long game I would just start with Hearts of Stone and go from there. If you like that, Blood and Wine is good too and then the main game definitely is worth playing through the Crones arc.

>A Canticle for Liebowitz
>Dune
>Hyperion
>Book of the New Sun
I’m not big into Sci-Fi or fantasy, but I have read these in the last couple of years and hold then in very high regard.
are there any other books that reach the heights of these?

>>19309391
Lem: Solaris
Strugatzkij Brothers:
Snail on the Slope
The Ugly Swans
Beetle in the Ant-Hive

>>19309443
Thank you friend

>>19309391
Lord of Light by Zelazny maybe?

I submitted this short story to the devs of Dropfleet Commander/Dropzone Commander, since they have an open invitation to their community for this sort of thing. I'd like to think it's quite good (though it does assume somewhat that you already have an interest in the game) but I'd like to get the oppinion of you guys as unbiased outsiders

https://docs.google.com/document/d/19vLnHB3_jPrAw3J-4ta_vz8RRU_a8zRiRCFydnRx2Jc/edit?usp=sharing

r8 me, tell me how shit i am

>>19309228
>hegel
not. even. once.

>>19309391
Eyes of the Overworld, Lyonesse, The Dispossessed

>>19302500
>intellectual organizations
>Maesters

You completely missed the point of the maesters, they are the complete opposites of intellectuals, they're deny the reality around them and replace it with their own lies.

>>19309101
I recommend The Ballad of Halo Jones to all sentimental sci fi fans. Its a comic tho

>>19309237
Tip top. Personally they hit all the right spots for me.

>>19308741
Don’t kink shame
The first 400 chapters are translated and I liked it too much to drop

>>19309391
Viriconium

>>19305809
Red pill me on this book

>>19305611
That's a weird take. AGOT is pretty dreary as it is. If anything ACOK actually solified the world and made me love the series even more. I've heard people not liking ACOK but never that it "deconstructs" the world. Can you expand on that?

>>19306608
>multidiversity is good goy, trust me XD
Where do I drop the resumes for shilling, Schlomo?

>>19309778
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnL0rYFKuL4
It really do be like this

>>19309832
bakkerchad on the right I hope

>>19303484
The Dunyain, one of the coolest 'logic' focused factions in all fiction. Like the Bene Gesserit had a child with a Mentat; in Dune terms, an entire faction of Kwizatz Haderachs.

>>19309856
oh yeah? well in dune there is an ultra messah power man, and in prince of nothing there's a faction of messiah power men, well i am writing a book where the entire world is ultra power men

>>19309832
Who is that girl? She's gorgeous

>>19309832
>>19309898
she is my sister, stop

>>19309898
Jia Lissa
pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=ph5f2c594f665b2

Recommend me something similar to Shatterpoint.

>>19302468
I've never heard of him because I'm a newfag
what good did he do?

>>19304294
>written by western cuck
What the fuck did you expect.

>>19307377
I liked Children as a child (heh). He not afraid of anything at the end, I kept imagine how it would be to be as strong and invulnerable.

>>19309237
Ciri is a stupid whore, made me drop on a re-read. I liked the story as a teenager, but it doesn't work for me anymore.

>>19310099
Heart of Darkness

>>19310160
More like Shatterpoint, I need some action and adrenaline too.

>>19308556
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-oecAEFJ0Q
And that's a good thing

>>19307106
Not only is it a good enough answer, it's the best answer.

>Only in death does duty end.
>It is better to die for the Emperor than to live for yourself.
>Life is the Emperor's currency, spend it well.
>The emperor protects.
>While the enemies of the Emperor still draw breath, there can be no peace.
>Let it be known that the planet broke, before the Guard did.
Based. Shame that there are no other epic grimdark stories of this level.

>>19309391
Unironically Bakker.

>>19309391
I like all of those quite a bit too.

In terms of other genre fiction I'd put on the same level there is Revelation Space and Prince of Nothing.

Revelation Space I actually didn't think the main story was quite so good. Chasm City and The Prefect, which are stand alone books in the same universe, are excellent though.

Prince of Nothing is amazing but the second series is a bit rougher, with some slow parts, although the final book picked up again.

Although more just fun reads and of less literary value, I thought the Black Company and Red Rising we're excellent. Black Company is great for the first two books, then really nosedives in quality, but the first two are a lot of fun. Red Rising starts off pretty weak having been edited into YA and having a sort of silly plot device that strain credulity, but picks up pretty quickly. The first book isn't bad, it's like a spin on Hunger Games meets Ender's Game, but it isn't great either.

I thought the first three Game of Thrones books were pretty good too although they needed editing too. Didn't like them as much as the aforementioned, Dune, Hyperion, etc. though.

>>19308735
>>19309016
Thanks guys

>>19302423
The Wall of Storms, The Dandelion Dynasty #2 - Ken Liu (2016)
With this second book, this series is establishing itself as my second favorite fantasy series, behind only A Song of Ice and Fire (Game of Thrones). It's to be seen whether it can maintain that distinction over all four books. I don't know how many others would be able to say the same though. Should you read this? You may as well try. The author has labeled this series as "silkpunk", though I'd also call it science fantasy, with a particular focus how science works in this fantasy world. As with the first book, various technologies are developed and described in detail. This may be off-putting for general fantasy readers. I found their usage ingenious and uncommon which led to a rather unconventional form of warfare.

The first third of the novel is relatively peaceful and filled with philosophical musings of all sorts. It examines society, the people, and their institutions in detail. I found it surprisingly relatable to modern concerns. Many of the ideas found in the author's short fiction are represented here. I found it particularly interesting how the gods in this setting respond to worship. They're who they're believed to be and are geographically bound. I wouldn't have minded if the entire novel had continued as such. The latter half of the novel is war. The war differs rather a lot from how it was conducted it in the first book, as this time it's a foreign invasion. Much time is spent trying to understand the other side as well. A significant portion is the actual warfare itself. No one is safe. Anyone can die. A character notes that any piece can be sacrificed if doing so will bring about victory. The rest of the series seems that it will continue from the idea of the invasion, which isn't what I would prefer, but will still probably be immensely enjoyable.

The book has its problems as well, though they weren't enough to detract from my overall enjoyment in any meaningful way. At times the plot, especially near the end, relies too much on coincidence to set up narrative tension for future plot lines. It was also questionable that the climatic action at the end is interspersed with flashbacks of how a specific technology was developed. There are various other concerns, but again, nothing that mattered much to my personal enjoyment. I had put off reading this until it was much close to the release of the third book, so that there would be less chance of me forgetting much. Whenever I experience something so emotionally powerful, it takes me a while to recover, so I have to account for that as well. Maybe waiting until all the books were released would be better, but that's not something I'm capable of doing when I've enjoyed myself so much.
Rating: 5/5

Any good horror writers from the past decade?

>>19310424
>Have you read any works by my good friend Dan Wells?

>>19310417
I'm skeptical to read many books by chinks. Your review piqued my interest. Are there any pozzed SJW ideologies/characters in this series?

>>19310511
Are there characters and ideologies that aren't far right? Yes, there are.

Any stories that will inspire me to break out of the cycle of work, lift, run, eat, sleep, repeat?

>>19310576
He wasn't asking if there were characters any ideologies that aren't far right, but if there were any are that far left.

>>19310578
why would you break out of that cycle bro you're fuckin killing it

>>19310595
I've become the soulless bugman coder that I used to laugh at

>>19310604
do bugmen lift? no, but you do. you fucking crush

>>19310588
A question asked in a silly way will get a silly response.

>>19309832
she drained his curved phallus

Is he the greatest?

>>19310604
As you grow up you gradually outgrow your juvenile views and values, it is as it should be.

>>19310767
That's wrong though in every way.

>>19310578
Full Metal Daemon Muramasa

I want to finish the month out with a sff horror novel, but everything that I've found that I haven't already read doesn't seem like it'll be worthwhile. I may do so anyway.

>>19310417
Sounds interesting, might give it a try, thanks

>>19308556
Actually, his House of Blades series is the anime one.

>>19310886
Are House of Blades and Elder Empire worth reading?

>>19310906
I liked House of Blades, it was fun.
Elder Empire was okay when it was the pirates... I really didn't like the ninja's POV.

>>19309550
pls respond ;_;

>>19310968
Haven't finished it so far, and I should also note that I dont really read scifi. Regardless, its pretty interesting so far! The premise and suspense is there to make you want to read anon.
Could definitely use some polish with the phrasing though. "shitting into wrappers" feels desperate for example, but is also a bit of a turn off.
One last thing: "ships were ships again in the Higgs ocean" was executed really well. Well done on that, and overall :)

>>19310968
Lord help me it's only lines but I could watch this .gif all day.

I need space horror and not cosmic horror

I've already read Watts

What the fuck is with the phalluses arching into people's stomachs all the time in Prince of Nothing and Aspect Emperor?

I am starting to think Bakker needs to go to a urologist...

>>19311239
You should check out the Tempur-pedic logo
I vaguely recall thinking something similar way back in the day watching their commericals.

>>19311257
that sounds like cucumber talk

>>19311269
Well that is a tight little tush after all

>>19311032
Thanks man that good feedback I appreciate it. Let me know how you feel about it after you get to the end

>>19311257
>t. jealous straight phallus owner

>>19311298
I think the silhouette lady walked to a bed swaying her hips and then laid down on it and it became the tempur-pedic logo.
Now that I'm dusting the memory off I can see her walking now in my minds eye.

>>19310170
>two niggas
>Daniel Greene in the comments
Yeah, i just lost interest then and there.
https://youtu.be/zZSbdGOuk6k

>>19312155
Daniel Greene hates it

>>19312155
go read white boy books then

>>19312163
Is... Is that a curved phallus?

>>19312165
he's a chad so of course

>>19312187
Banana chad, I can see its curved upward so he is a certified chad.

What are some good series to read if I enjoy reading operational level military history of ww2 and military history of the napoleonic wars?

>/sffg/ - science fiction and fantasy general

>>19312202
this is a bakker general

what do we think about kaladin stormblessed

>>19312255
For me, it's Dalinar.

I recently finished this quadrilogy as well as his book Starfarers and I absolutely loved them, this was my first foray into hard science fiction outside of the orions arm project and I'm currently sating myself with the Oxford Book of Science Fiction Stories, I especially liked the entry in it "The Swarm" by Bruce Sterling.
Anyone got any hard sci-fi recommendations that are on the same level as this? I can't even watch star trek anymore without seeing it as fantasy and not sci-fi because of this.

>>19312202
We have shitposters who do nothing but derail these threads.

>>19311470
Sorry for the late reply, but yeah more or less the same as what I said before. It ends on a strong note though, so thats really good!

>>19310822
I'm not doing so. I looked back over various choices and I just won't do it. Instead, I'll try reading a horror novel that came out a few days ago. Will it be any more worthwhile? Who knows. The book probably won't be relevant to the thread so I won't post anything here, though it'll be in my GR profile, or a relevant horror thread if there's one at the time.

Do you guys have any good site repositories for fantasy books? I want to read but I'm a poorfag.

>>19312526
>I want to read but I'm a poorfag.
It’s called a library.

>>19312526
What is IRC?

>>19312526
libgen is where I get all mine

>Male author
>Female protagonist
This is how you instantly know the book is written by a tranny

>>19312526
mobilism is pretty good
or irc highway

>>19312325
Do you think there's enough here to be spun up into a novel, with this short story serving as the introductory chapter?

I wanted to tell a story in 3 interweaving plots:

1) the main plot is Moe gets sent planet-side with marines and a computer scientist noncombatant to get some weather data during a planetary invasion -- without the data, the fleet cannot risk bombarding targets because of how close they are to the civilians they are trying to rescue. everything takes a turn for the worse, and on the way to their goal, Moe and the naive sailor have to lead a procession of stranded resistance fighters and civilians to safety behind enemy lines. The whole story draws allusions to the book of Exodus, as the civilians have been surviving for 40 years on the run, with the promise that the Fleet will one day return to rescue them. Moe Sabowicz -- Moe S. -- Moses. Moe is experienced but initially detests the survivors and the total shitshow foisted upon him by his commanders. he occasionally leaves the survivors to climb a hill and pray to god (talk to Admiral Halsey on the radio). They are guided by pillars of bomb smoke and napalm fire from airstrikes to clear their path to escape.

2) the battle in space for the planet. The planet was over run and lost to the enemy 40 years ago. the Navy's star admiral, Halsey, leads the operation personally. The planet is of little strategic value, but Halsey has made a pact to rescue any survivors he can. He is under tremendous pressure -- The long awaited re-invasion of earth (their D-Day) is imminent, and he was only permitted the operation by the Prime Minister if he can accomplish with an acceptable number of casualties. If this operation goes sideways, he will be ordered to abort. If he takes too many losses on the way out, they could lose the war itself

3) The captain of the Battlecruiser Cuyahoga. his ship was sent to intercept an incoming enemy cruiser early on in the battle. The enemy is destroyed but they have taken tremendous damage in the process. while the previous part is more generically scifi high-seas Naval warfare, this part deals with open space and orbital mechanics as they have to get creative and Apollo-13 their way back around a moon to a safe orbit with the rest of the fleet for repairs. They come back just in time to save the day in the end.

The core theme here is the importance of religious-like hope in the face of sheer pessimism -- taking the white pill, even if the black pill looks like truth

yay or nay?

>>19310417
Have you ever thought of making a pastebin for your reviews?

>>19312325
also, really important, were the spaceship maneuver scenes interesting and understandable?

thanks for reading all the way thru and reviewing by the way it means a lot

for me it's mother of learning

>>19309195
They were real the Greeks.

>>19311257
You need to have your blood pressure checked. A young man's erect cock should rest against his abdominal.

why the fuck is the thorns of series called the "broken empire" trilogy?

>>19312709
>mother of learning
Great story for being a web novel.

>>19310822
i just finished ship of fools by richard russo it was very compelling

>>19312600
I'm trying to think of a case where this isn't true. All I'm coming up with is Matilda by Roald Dahl, but he's kind of in his own category and its just one of his many books. But Steven King also has a lot of books and your rule holds true.
Is Roald Dahl actually a tranny? I don't think so, but I don't know anymore. Maybe he's the exception that proves the rule.

>>19312709
for me it's kirielle

>>19309123
he never smokes crack

>>19312709
>>19312792
Did the MC ever get with that girl?

>>19312848
What girl? Kirielle is his little sister...

>>19312858
The one from his class?

>>19312882
There's many girls from his class, but he's an incel and not interested in any of them

>>19312811
Yes he does. At the very end of the book.

>>19312913
No, he was interested in one of them.

>>19312634
Again, i'm not one to read scifi, so idk if im qualified to answer this exactly. Regardless, it sounds interesting with the interwoven plots. Especially curious to see how the second plot-point plays out.
>>19312678
The ships scenes were clear, and certainly interesting (I liked what you did with the orbital mechanics especially). But if your planning for them to 'stand out', a bit more work could be done with it - otherwise its good as is.

Its ashame your story hasn't gotten more attention anon, because what you have here is definitely great. Glad I could help :)

I can’t get past the first couple chapters of Dune

>>19312958
Eh, it’s best if you just read Gene Wolfe, Dunsany, and Tolkien

>>19312913
>but he's an incel and not interested in any of them
No, he isn't. Zorian is just another unsociable, awkward, introverted, alienated main character in a magical school setting. I'm also pretty sure he's attracted to one bitch in his class.

>>19313074
>Zorian is just another unsociable, awkward, introverted, alienated main character in a magical school setting.
He’s just like me.

>>19313085
Yeah, there's a reason why its a popular trope, so readers can self-insert.

>>19313122
>so readers can self-insert.
Never really understood the appeal of self-insert. Nor why readers would want a story with a protagonist to self-insert to begin with.

>>19313074
>>19312848
He's only ever interested in an older girl who NEVER fucks him. He's an incel like me.

>>19313154
>He's an incel like me.
No, he actually tries to improve himself.

>>19313152
>Nor why readers would want a story with a protagonist to self-insert to begin with.
Believe it or not, some people read for fun.

>>19312958
> Dune
> No editor because nobody wanted to publish that trash
> Had to bribe a car manual publisher to print that shit
> It's shit
No surprises there.

>>19313190
Then why do so many people here sing so many praises?

>>19309832
Bitch

>>19313205
Jealous

>>19313204
There are also plenty of people praising the most horribly written web-novels here.
Some people just have very low standards. Fantashit readers especially.

>>19313227
Stop seething.

>>19313227
name five horribly written web-novels that get unironic praise here

>>19313250
Mother of Learning
Virtuous Sons
Cradle
Beware Of Chicken
Reverend Insanity.

>>19313271
Cradle isn't a web novel and only Reverend Insanity is horribly written.

>>19313287
>backpedaling already.

>>19313292
Do you have four more?

>>19313310
He gave you five.

>>19313313
He gave 1

>>19313320
>He gave 1
He gave more than 1 >>19313271

SJW commie poc and blue pilled women pozzed

>>19313325
Reaper is going to be kino and there's nothing you can do about it.

>>19313348
Okay? And?

bros chad red pilled, men and lads based

>>19313355

>>19313190
>Had to bribe a car manual publisher to print that shit
Is this shit true?

>>19313405
> The serialized version was expanded, reworked, and submitted to more than twenty publishers, each of whom rejected it. The novel, Dune, was finally accepted and published in August 1965 by Chilton Books, a printing house better known for publishing auto repair manuals.

>>19313405
>Dune was first published by Analog magazine as two serialized stories, Dune World and Prophet of Dune. Soon after, Herbert pushed to get it released as a standalone book, but it was rejected by 20 publishers, most of whom said it was slow-paced and overly confusing—though eventual Tor Books founder Tom Doherty was an early champion, he couldn’t convince his bosses at Simon & Schuster to acquire it (he did eventually work as Herbert’s publisher at Ace Books). Herbert persisted, and was finally contacted by Sterling Lanier, editor at Chilton Books, a well-established publisher known for its business-to-business magazines and automotive manuals. Lanier wanted to take a chance with a fiction release, and Dune looked like a great book to start with. Herbert joked that they might rename the book How to Repair Your Ornithopter to better fit with their catalogue.

>>19313411
>>19313416
Shit like that makes me wonder what modern book are we overlooking right now that will be a classic later on.

>>19313190
You got to respect the hustle.

>>19313419
I wouldn't worry about it. History will sort that shit for us.

>>19313445
it really won't

>>19313477
Why do you say that?

>>19313411
>>19313416
Sad that if Dune was self-publish today, people here would just call it shit.

>>19313537
That's why I don't take the opinions of people here seriously and I read the books myself.

>>19313540
I wouldn’t go that far, that named at, sffg, is the only opinion I take in consideration since he reads the books and gives them an unbiased reviews.

>>19313537
I'm saying it's shit either way.

>>19313571
But why is it shit?

>>19313577
Badly edited, poor writing, formulaic sentences, stilted dialouge at times.
Mostly the same complaints I have with Philip K Dick.
Though Dick's novels are much tighter and better edited.

>>19313590
>Badly edited, poor writing, formulaic sentences, stilted dialouge at times.
Not him, but this is the same complaints that I have as well. Worse is that books that have been publish traditionally have suffered as well.

>>19313606
>Worse is that books that have been publish traditionally have suffered as well.
Any notion that publishing houses are the gatekeepers of quality is pure denial and delusion.

>>19313615
Never said they were, but at the very least, they kept up the pretense in the past. Unlike today with how hot garbage is being sold.

>>19313622
>Never said they were, but at the very least, they kept up the pretense in the past
But they never did. Shit books were being published in the past and quickly forgotten. The same shit is happening now as well. Only the "good" books will be remember in the future.

>>19313632
With how society is now, I doubt things would improve in the future. Literature as a whole has been heading towards a downward spiral.

>>19313639
>Literature as a whole has been heading towards a downward spiral.
That's what every generation says, and nothing ever changes, stop being such a cynic when it comes to these things.

>>19313640
>That's what every generation says, and nothing ever changes
Except things have change, publishing houses are dying and people are beginning to self-publish more via Amazon. There’s literally no point in trying to entice publishing houses.

>>19313646
>There’s literally no point in trying to entice publishing houses.
Maybe for the older, bigger and more establish ones, but smaller and independent publishing houses are thriving in filling niches.

>>19313651
>but smaller and independent publishing houses are thriving in filling niches.
And good for them, doesn’t change the fact that as a whole, the industry is dying.

>>19313655
The publishing industry will just have to realign itself with what the consumer wants. It's how the free market always work. Happened in the past, happens today, and it will happen in the future.

>>19313658
The “free” market is dead. Been dead since the early 2010’s.

>>19313658
And I forgot, to mention, with how increasingly political the industry is being, I doubt things will change.

New thread
>>19313664

>>19313661
>>19313663
Get out more and stop coming to here. Christ, not everything that gets posted online is true in real life.

>>19313615
That's why you need to keep track of the good publishers.