/lit/ - Literature

>>19302433
Just read any book on China.

>>19302463
You don't have to travel that far, the USA is fine too.

>>19302433
Antkind

they aren't intelligent
This is pure instinct

>>19302566
Your neurons aren't intelligent.
You are pure reflexes

>>19302572
I have mastered the art of full neutron control

>>19302433
>>19279710

GUYS DONT ANSWER THIS THREAD IS A PSYOP DATA MINING OPERATION I REPEAT DONT ANSWER

>>19302645
Wot
I just didn't get any satisfying answers last time so I thought I'd wait a couple of days and try it again.

>>19302660
Sure you did Mr Mascieuzkewski

I really expected an agent wih your abilities to be better able to handle a vpn...

see you next time Mr. Mascieuzkewski

>>19302433
There's a sci-fi book called Dogs of War by Adrian Tchaikovsky. The book is about genetically altered animals being used as weapons of wars. And it goes into the ideas regarding their ability to behave as autonomous beings worthy of the same rights as humans, versus being slaves to their nature.

The main characters are this Dog man thing, a bear, a large lizard, and Bees. It's "Bees" singular. It's a swarm of high adaptable bee-like insects that thinks of itself as a singular entity. So while the bulk of the book isn't related to Bees, you still get to read about interesting applications of an intelligent swarm that was built for war. And how it manages to think and adapt beyond war.

>>19302688
sorry as you could easily read in the other thread OP made he is not so much interested in fiction but thanks nevertheless

maybe check out some ellul maybe kierkegaard, the crowd is untruth by tuttle, literally swarm intelligence - really you're probably just going to have to read a combination of things and make the connections yourself

>>19302433
Richard Wagner's essay 'On State and Religion' is on this exact topic, and compares ants to human society. Though it's exact interpretation of society is very 19th century.

>>19302463
>spends all day as part of a literal swarm posting memes on the hivemind anonymous frogsite
>Just read any book on China.

>>19302801
Finish him

My bees know all about swarm intelligence. Ask them.

>>19302810
A shame your bees can't tell you how to take a photo

>>19302433
ants are so fucking based

>>19302844
Better?

>>19302848
So am I

>>19302962
Germany? In any case, cool hobby anon

The Swarm by Frank Schätzing

>>19302566
retard

Read Eugen Marais' Soul of the White Ant first, you will probably like it

Scott Turner (biologist, process vitalist), "Homeostasis and the Forgotten Vitalist Roots of Adaptation." The key concept is homeostasis.
Good videos of his
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQyzdcP3ZPU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFlOWwfG2bs

Charles T. Wolfe, "Models of Organic Organization in Montpellier Vitalism"

Theophile de Bordeu and the Montpellier people started trying to figure out what an organism is, if certain bodies not in physical contact behave like organisms.
>We compare the living body, to get a better feeling for the particular action of each [of its] part[s], to a swarm of bees, who gather together in groups, and [can even] hang from a tree like a [single] cluster. It was well said by one ancient author that a certain organ of the gut was an 'animal in animali'; doubtless to say, each [body] part is not a [separate] animal, but a sort of machine of its own which contributes in its own way to the general life of the body. So, to follow the comparison with the cluster of bees, the latter is a whole, stuck to the branch of a tree by the action of many bees which must act together in order to work together successfully ... all cooperate to form a quite solid body, and each nevertheless has [its] particular and separate action.

This has been developed into process vitalism and systems/information biology which studies systems, networks, etc., either as holistic or holistic-acting entities (depending on whether you ultimately reduce everything down to exquisitely fine-tuned cybernetic feedback loops between individuals, with nothing ultimately magical about the holistic "field" apparently uniting them). Either way, the interesting part comes from viewing the fundamental constituent of biology as the self-relating process or system, not as individual units (whether souls or DNA/RNA strings). Even the most basic biological task, reproduction, among the simplest organisms, has to be viewed within the context of nested ecologies of irreducible and self-relating systems. This raises questions of whether whole ecologies are "organisms," what the organism concept actually means, whether it is possible in principle to metaphysically distinguish between the individual cells, organs, organisms, and nested ecologies of a total ecosystem, etc. reductionism.

>>19305388
Had to split my post.

If you want more metaphysical understandings of biological holism, Rupert Sheldrake's Presence of the Past is a whirlwind tour and several of his other books are good too.

There is also a recent revolution in biology around so-called "neo-Lamarckism," epigenetics. Shapiro's website on the Third Way of Evolution is interesting for bringing a bunch of these biologists together and his book is great.

Also recommend Merleau-Ponty's exploration of organism concepts and cybernetic/dialectical feedback systems in Structure of Behavior, however I recommend reading the French... Even in the title, "behavior" is not a great translation of "Comportement," which has a dialectical (both passive and active) undertone to it, which is the whole point.

I also recommend Beyond Reductionism, a book compiled from a conference held by Arthur Koestler including Bertalanffy and Piaget on the topic of biological systems theory and reductionism

Also, A Buzz in the Meadow if you like bees.

>>19305388
>>19305398
You are the kind of person who makes /lit/ worth visiting despite of all the shit. Thank you for effortposting

>>19302962
That looks beautiful. Where?