/lit/ - Literature

>>19298115
Homer, Dante and Bossuet

>>19298115
Homer and me desu

>>19298115
Homer and Goethe, there is no fifth.

>>19298115
homer, dante, shakespeare, goethe. this is the gang.

>>19298537
homer & shakespeare wd hate dante & goethe

>>19298574
No they wouldn’t

>>19298601
they rly would

>>19298134
>Bossuet
Isn't that one of the dudes from Les Miserables?

>>19298574
>>19298706
Stop talking like that, you've simply invalidated your point

>>19298730
it's the greatest French writer ever, he's not very well known because he was a cardinal and made people seethe

>>19298115
Wagner because his art is a living example of the unity of music and poetry as Homer intended it.

>>19298733
they would tho

>>19298833
What retard wrote this?

>>19298833
That picture is retarded and made for fellow-retard scholars.

>>19298840
it wasn't "made" ('wrote', surely?) for scholars at all

>>19298834
robert graves no less

>>19298760
>Wagner
>Living example

>>19298365
>>19298537
Cervantes is left out :(

>>19298365
>>19298537
What's so good about Goethe?

>>19298833
Bravo, Graves

The world the divided has been dead for nearly a century.

>>19298894
the maestro

>>19298884
The past two centuries of literature and to a certain extent philosophy can be traced back to him.

Homer and Virgil maybe. Dante and Milton are both secondary

>>19299188
>newer writers are... LE WORSE

>>19299188
Ask me how I know you haven't read Homer in Greek or Virgil in Latin

>>19298872
cervantes is a spic meme, I'm sorry. welcome to your second day on /lit/

>>19298115
Some time in the future, James Joyce will be the third
>Source
Harold Bloom, The Western Canon

>>19298115
does anyone have a digital copy of L'Inferno in the original language?
>>19298328
>me
post your work

>>19299856
>post your work
he just did

>>19299753
Shut the fuck up angloid subhuman

>>19299166
Meh, Goethe didn't invent Faust, and Shakespeare didn't invent any of his characters. Homer's shit is also based on legends that came before and Dante just made shit up based on his religion that everyone already believed in. All of these fuckers stole their shit.

>>19299753
This is the kind of thing that has always terrified and depressed me as an aspiring writer. Do your best, make something amazing... and then see your work being unfairly criticized or ignored because you're a 'spic'.
The country you're born in, your sex, your race, those thing have such a HUGE influence in the way people will judge you... And not all countries have the same power and resolve in terms of promoting and exporting their artists either.

>>19299980
The only reason cervantes isn't ignored is because he is a spic. He is only talked about because the spanish larpers on this board endlessly puff him up

>>19299991
just wanna say there's absolutely no way that anyone who's read him thinks cervantes isn't fantastic. one love x

>>19299991
I know, culture made by Spaniards is constantly ignored by the rest of the world. Even Spaniards tend to give constant blowjobs to northern foreigners who feel no respect for them and will reject cultural products on the basis of an Spanish surname. Spaniards have never accomplished a single thing with such subservient attitude.
Do you have any idea how it feels as an aspiring writer to realize your work will never be taken seriously (if it receives any attention at all) only because of your race and country? It's really horrible.

>>19299923

>>19300099
>Even Spaniards tend to give constant blowjobs to northern foreigners who feel no respect for them
Those Spaniards are cucks, what an embarrasement.

Why is Eliot such a pseud?
Decent poet, deplorable critic
>>19298115
Its the "modern world" not just world

>>19299980
What country are you from? Truth is yours probably has good writers too.
And about the thing about not being taken serious, dude, you are browsing a predominately English speaking website (not mind people here in lit are very ignorant and don't even read that much, the same 10 or 11 authors all over again). And they meme their mediocre writers here (Foster Wallace and friends, etc).
Also, you have precedents of Spanish speaking writers being taken seriously by the International Critique: El Boom, and you can't say they were the first to try new things in Literature. You really don't think there are readers and critics in this part of the world that want to milk and shill a very creative literature project?

>>19298863
A Warner in your heart never dies.

>>19298115
Dante is on the level of Homer, sorry Shakesy

>>19299980
you can literally sockpuppet someone calling you a spic and achieve instant martyrdom. I've seen this happen several times, someone replying to a racist/sexist sockpuppet and achieving popularity overnight. Then the sockpuppet deletes the account so no proof.

>>19298894
>>19298849
Graves was a second-rate light-verse poet who wrote books for kids.

>>19299815
Yeah, if you ask me the aurena catena goes:
Homer > Virgil > Dante > Shakespeare > Goethe > Joyce

>>19300791
christ. poor effort

>>19300875
I think you mean catena aurea.
Too bad Cervantes lived too close to Shakespeare. Had they written in different eras, one might have influenced the other.
>tfw no Cardenio

>>19298863
Yes, we no longer have the music to Homer. So Wagner is a living example in that it's a whole artwork and isn't chopped up and 'read'.

>>19299980
Yeah I'm an Indian ask me how I know. One of my favorite writers V.S. Naipul passed away a few years ago and /lit/ made a thread about it and there were a bunch of poo jokes. Even African /lit/ gets more respectable, substantive conversations. Even now as Westernized Indians have become extremely accomplished (granted by shamelessly climbing the ladders of prestige offered to them the Anglo world) they're still taken as a joke. Not hated as /pol/ might have you believe, just not taken seriously. I know this sounds like a bitter rant but I've just come to accept it.

>>19299980
lol, being anything other than a white male is the greatest boon you could possibly have in todays world.

>>19300875
The audacity of the eternal anglo, there are 20 French writers better than Joyce.

>>19302375
The French and English are equally audacious.

>>19298115
Sterne

Milton, you dumb niggers.

>>19302394
Mozart and Kayne West are equally audacious.

Victor Hugo had a theory of the world, a poetic talent and an influence on the rest of literature that allows him to claim to integrate the group of geniuses of poetry with Dante and Shakespeare. It is a pity that non-French speakers only know him for his novels when he is also a monster of the theater and prosody.

>>19302476
Mozart wasn't a very audacious person, Kanye is.

>>19298115
>MY favorite writer is better than YOUR writer!
this is literally the /lit/ equivalent of powerlevelfaggotry

SHAKESPEARE IS THE MOST ABOLUTE ETERNAL PSEUD MIDWIT ANGLO-SUBHUMAN LACKING SOUL I HAVE EVER READ. GO BACK TO THE INDUSTRIES YOU BUG MEN OR DO YOUR THINGY DEMOCRATIC ELIZABETHISH THINGS WHATEVER ANALYTIC SCIENCIE WOW! FUCKING SHIT FOREVER.

>>19302363
Being an Spanish man doesn't help me at all. I don't have the victim status of women or black people and I'm not perceived as cool like north europeans either.

>>19302353
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Srinivasa_Ramanujan
Read his story
Guy's taught in universities in the West nowdays despite being born under British rule. Don't give up you pussy.

>>19299923
retard

>>19298537
Id put Goethe as the successor of the Dante/Ghibelline tradition
And Homer as the first, the father, before any split

>>19298872
>filename
Are you that croanon?

>>19302935
>north europeans
>cool
??
the dullest people on earth

>>19302353
What do you recommend from V.S. Naipul?

>>19298115
Eliot is right. Nobody expresses the breadth and range of human emotions like Shakespeare and nobody expresses the intensity of emotion from top to bottom like Dante. They are the horizontal and vertical axes of the human experience.

>>19298115
For poetry, maybe. To his diptych I would oppose Cervantes and Joyce, one begun the novel, the other finished it.

>>19300099
Lit is not yet ready for a less provincial canon; do not be sad that people don't read outside the more canonical (English, American and French) writers: be sad of their limited view of literature. Being part of a marginal literary tradition is a blessing in disguise, you can be like provincial Verlaine or like globetrotter Darío, as Paz put it.
Us Hispanic Americans have accepted our marginal nature and we have made it the reason of our universality, follow our example.

>>19298833
Ultimate proof Homer, Cervantes, and Shakespeare are the best writers in history

>>19304830
>Nobody expresses the breadth and range of human emotions like Shakespeare
Then why is he so soulless?

>>19306690
You are illiterate if you think that is true

>>19307040
I don't think, I know.

>>19302353
>poo jokes
They never get old. In the loo, Pajeet.

Also India doesn't have worthwhile literature because it's a weak country, weak both culturally and spiritually, with a huge chip on its shoulder and an even greater inferiority complex towards the West (which is inevitable, I guess, considering the West made India its bitch for centuries).

Countries that didn't have the Enlightment and are still stuck in their medieval ways of thought because muh tradition and use their "tradition" as a source of pride against le evil West are intellectually crippled. They should have the self-abnegation to admit that their glorious tradition is actually obsolete, backward and ultimately worthless. Only then they could rise to the same level as a civilized country. But their inferiority complex makes them too arrogant for that.

>>19300099
>waah waah I'll never be taken sErIoUsLy because of my race
Stop using this excuse for your mediocrity. Cervantes is one of the most famous writers who ever lived. Saramago (Portugal) won the Nobel prize for literature. Yes, you're genetically inferior, but that doesn't mean you're gonna get ignored because you're a spic.

>>19298115
W.B. Yeats at this point