/lit/ - Literature

>>19290679
Read Cradle!

>>19290679
Any good beautiful prose for sci fi? All I really know of is Ballard.

Hard gay and Cthulhu, what more could you ask for?

What books does he read

>>19290704
Gene Wolfe

>>19290679
>miniature aqueducts and bridges on your air flotilla

>>19290717
Which work In particular? I have the Wizard Knight but it's not sci fi really.

is the translation ok?

>>19290775
Try The Fifth Head of Cerberus

King of /lit/.

Simple as.

>>19290688
Fuck off shill

BAKKERBROS WHERE WE AT

Sorry for the Bakkerpost but I come to you with reviews of the Prince of Nothing from the Chinese internet.

>2015-05-23
> I don't like the author at the back of the book very much. As an apocalyptic fantasy, the characters in the book lack dignity. They are all homosexual pedophile perverts or SBs. They do not affect people's hearts but no one is dead. Procrastination and endless entanglement of the writing, the two places show off the author's philosophical background, causing some tensions to be overwhelmed by endless thoughts. Probably because of the author's indifferent and arrogant attitude, and the old-fashioned style, the sexual description seems very indecent. What's more surprising is that the combat part is pretty good.

>2014-10-10
>This book ingeniously draws nourishment from the Western medieval history, so whether it is the crusade against infidels, the game between clergy and kingship, and the struggle for holy land, all have their roots; the powerful school of magic constitutes another background of this book. Obviously, it is the battle between the Destiny, who is trapped in the nightmare, and the non-god that hides its traces and is forgotten by the world. In the dark, there is Chita's revenge on Sislin. It contains real magic and prophecies, and the magic is so powerful that it cannot be easily used; It is difficult to determine the true protagonist in one volume. The barbarians, the Destiny Sorcerer, and the prince Kaihus of nothing are all wonderful; there are many questions left, such as what does it mean to reappear in the world of Annasuribo? What will happen to a holy war led by barbarians? And the true identity of the mysterious Sharia?

>>19290971
First review is accurate

>>19290978
>The setting is powerful - absolutely exotic, unlike any of the previous epic fantasy books, with all sorts of indescribable cultural customs that are bizarre and beautiful
>The setting is rich - I've been told that the collection of material would make several books, and I'm now hungrily reading it on the wiki
>The structure is grand - the map isn't really that big, it doesn't add up to half the size of the Eastern Continent in Ice and Fire, and there aren't that many characters, but it's written in a powerful way

>The complexity of human nature - just look at it, it's too fucking ugly and too fucking bizarre
>The author is a god for writing such a gorgeous setting with no integrity. I especially recommend the Void Clan, Inc horoi, which is so satisfying to the perverted yippie fetish
>Beautiful language - poetry, scripture like
>The magic effect is very good - high magic, but it is very well written, all kinds of magic effects are finely crafted, better than DND and WOW type where to go.


>The Chinese version has only been released twice now and has become a diehard. I went to the extranet to read the spoilers for the latter part of the book, and I'm already so impressed that I vowed to accept the nine part series! I'm a big fan!

Translated with www.DeepL.com/Translator (free version)

I tried writing yesterday and it was awful. How do I git gud.

How is morgoth able to create intelligent dragons? isn't he supposed to not be able to create anything on his own?

>>19290993
Start paying attention to language. Other people's writing and your own. Practice writing more and read good writing as well.

Don't copy other authors though. It's not bad to have the same style, it's bad because you're not writing naturally and skilfully, you're aping. It will always be stunted if not outright terrible.

sci-fi/fantasy be like
>this thing good
>other thing bad
>the end

savior of fantasy bakker be like
>this thing hard
>other thing soft
>the end

SERWË IS CUTE. CUTE!!!!

CONAN IS CUTE. CUTE!!!!

Redpill me on Wright's The Golden Age, lads.

The No-God series is coming.

Mark my words.

Conan the Barbarian is the hottest Fantasy character.

>>19291225
only simps disagree

>>19291218
I want to believe, Mr Frog

>>19291236
I didn't believe it either.

I smell c...y

>>19290704
i really like Daniel Fox's prose

>>19291004
lots of theories out there, just pick your fav

>>19291262
curry?

I accept your surrender.

>>19290985
"I also love the Prince of Nothing series! Personally think it is better than ice and fire. PS Kaihus is totally my dish! It's been a long time since I saw a male protagonist that I like so much. But it seems that many people don't like him eh_ "

Why is it that women like Kellhus so much? This is a female user.

"I feel like the author is my soulmate he fits perfectly with the author I have in mind for the story
That's what I like about epic fantasy, it's like an epic, not a saga, I don't care about the "good or bad" of any of the characters, I only care about their symbolism, their role in the story.
In short, the characters are only one part of the story, and those posts above me are aesthetically based on their "good or bad" characters... You are not suitable for it."

>>19290688
Explain why I should. I tried once but it was bottom tier crap, persuade me that my original opinion was wrong

>>19290971
Why is it that Chinese covers have so much more SOVL than Western ones? You can tell that the guy who created that read and enjoyed the book.

Instead all we got was shit like pic related.
Incredibly lazy.

>>19291386
I would guess there's more money in cover design in China than the West, for some reason. I suppose the publishers don't care about it. Or maybe there's a certain style for genre fiction that you have to fit to be noticeable and not dismissed as some other type of book. Or so something, somewhere thinks.

Anybody read The Tower of Fear by Glen Cook?

>>19290971
>Sorry for the Bakkerpost

>Interrupts your sci-fi narrative to with a lengthy segment about a man becoming an author and creating a tulpa
UUUUGGGGGGHHHH... When will it END?!

>>19291576
>Barack Obama
I associate internationally well-known figures with memes / meme humour so this is hilarious to me

>>19291576
"Shieeeeeeeet" - Barack Obama

>>19291391
I think it's more a case of what sells. And the type of covers that sell in the west just happen to be garbage

>>19291652
sci-fan covers to be specific

>>19291372
Another poor soul whose mind has been enslaved to the Dunyain...

>>19291386
Yeah, the series of covers that looks like that is shit, and particularly shit for the type of book it is. The crusade style painting cover is the best one.

I will say one thing that bothers me about the setting is that it is a bit anachronistic. The setting for cities and political units seems based on late antiquity, while the military technology is clearly medieval with stirrups and a focus on mounted knights. That and in the first three the female characters are all pretty weak as characters you want to read about.

I'm reticent to recommend it though because the one person I got to read it dropped it over the gender politics. I didn't think it was particularly worse than Game of Thrones, but maybe those would have been slammed the same way if released today. They get by because of "muh strong woman" of the HBO series that don't really exist in the initial trilogy. But there definitely is a sense in which the sex in Bakker gets gratuitous in a way GRRM doesn't, although I still think the books are much better.

So in general I recommend Neuropath because, while the prose is noticably worse, it makes a lot of the same points in a much more rapid story, and the main character is relatable and likeable, whereas pretty much everyone is TDTCB is a piece of shit, with two POV characters being absolute psychopath monsters.

>>19291731
Yeah, Serwe is the only character who is mostly morally good and she spends the entire time getting physically raped by one psycho, or mentally raped by an even bigger monster.

I think American culture is pretty puritanical on age of consent, but you definetly can't consent to a relationship with a Dunyain, which is driven home when Khellus gay rapes Proyas just to mind fuck Sarbon.

Return to pulpkino

http://www.luminist.org/archives/SF/
https://archive.org/details/pulpmagazinearchive

>>19291731
While the darkest parts of The Second Apocalypse series are indeed grim and vile, I would say that I have seldom seen characters being portrayed with so much depth in other fantasy Series. Achamian, Esmenet, Proyas and Xinemus are hardly, for all their flawy, pieces of shit. Bakker is a master at portraying the best and worst of humanity. Everyone is flawed. Kellhus isn't even human, and Cnaiür is a different thing altogether.

>>19291755
>Yeah, Serwe is the only character who is mostly morally good
Why do you people feel the need to self inserting yourselves (I would assume), or 21st century western morality into the story?

>morally good
>good
Also, have you learned nothing from reading Bakker or the implicit philosophy themes in the series?

You clearly didn't understand why Kellhus fucked Proyas, it seems.

>>19291787
The historical realism and historicity in Bakker's works is simply too scary for normies.

>>19291787
I read a shit ton of history. I don't have a problem with judging people by contemporary morals. If anything I have the opposite problem where I identify too much with the people I read about. So whole reading Evans' Third Reich trilogy I found myself accidently rooting for Hitler to take power, when reading on the Russian Revolution I found myself accidently getting excited when Lenin gears up for the October coup and admiring Stalin for being ballsy as fuck and robbing banks.

But for getting my friends to read it, it is definetly a barrier.

I figured Khellus is doing to Proyas thing to break the faith of Proyas and Sarbon. He is clearly meeting with them to do just that, take off the veil of faith so that they act and don't expect him to save them, so that they are willing to sin for the pragmatic good of the mission. But Proyas has the insight that that particular act wasn't really about him, who is already more faithful, but about showing Sarbon the true extent of Khellus as pure power rather than as a savior. And this is brought home on the raft when Sarbon is looking on as Khellus does is super saiyan shit and is in awe of pure power.

>>19291818
>>19291731
>But for getting my friends to read it, it is definetly a barrier.
>I'm reticent to recommend it though because the one person I got to read it dropped it over the gender politics.

Memes aside, I'm genuinely happy that I don't have to live in America. You people have serious issues. And it's only getting worse.

>>19291818
Oh, but I do think there is something to Serwe, the least empowered character, a person who due to circumstance can't enact her own desires, being whom we would consider most good, where as the more powerful a character is to do follow their own desires, the more evil things they seem to do.

I think Khellus is intentionally seductive to modern audiences who have grown up steeped in utilitarian ethics. The Consult seems so bad that it justified him, but at certain turns I think you're supposed to question if anything justified what he does. This is kind of the point in God Emperor of Dune, but fails because the contrasting danger is just floating exposition, not a real and visceral horror. Khellus seduces you just like he does the characters, with shows of power and an apparently worthy cause. But by the same logic limiting the size of the world's population to save people from eternal damnation also has utilitarian value. Eternal suffering as infinite negative utility against the temporary suffering brought on by a genocide of most sentient life (Alistair Reynolds' Inhibitors sets up a similar moral dilemma, although focusing more of the call of Ecclesiastes, that it is better to never be born than experience the suffering of life).

But if the point is that people are ruled by circumstance and their own biology, I'm not totally sure what the Absolute, which recalls Hegel, is supposed to mean. Clearly in Neuropath you get the eliminative materialism and epiphenomenalism of his Blind Brain Theory paper, but the Aspect Emperor almost seems to suggest German Idealism as a path out of that. Sort of Hackett's idea of Hegel's Ladder hanging down like the vision of Jacob, reaching up to the Absolute/God.

>>19291372
women like sociopaths

>>19291892
Although there is an issue in that the Progenitors are damned for straying too close to the Absolute, whereas for Boehme, and by descent Hegel, the coming into the world of Absolute Knowing is the process through which God comes to know and recognize Itself through the its creation. The recognition of one's self in absolute otherness that Hegel identifies as perfected in Christ's identification of himself in the Father.

>>19290688
What is this about? I keep seeing posts about cradle.

>>19291975
it's a western xianxia, it's ok kinda normie though, main character is lame which is like half the appeal of chinese fantasy

>>19291983
Does it have cultivation and shit? What is with the Chinese and their obsession with cultivation.

>>19292033
yeah. Idk it's like daoism and mythology stuff

>boy you are courting death!

>>19290679
All /sffg/fags must hang

>>19291731
The women in the first series are still good characters even though they're not very important. Much more female in thinking and concerns, especially in that setting, than how women are usually portrayed (nothing like women at all, barely even like real people). The second series becomes more generic and uninteresting on that front (doesn't explore or observe gender differences). I think Bakker did this because everyone was bitching hard and starting to ruin his image. Even if they've never read it, these people like crusading.

>>19291731
>whereas pretty much everyone is TDTCB is a piece of shit, with two POV characters being absolute psychopath monsters.
Not really. We're moreorless shown where everyone is coming from. If you can't empathise, that's on you. Even the Dunyain though they are insect-like so empathy doesn't help much. They can be easily and simply understood but only in the abstract, not felt.

>>19291839
Yeah American culture is deeply ill. It exalts schizo ramblings. Starting think the rest of the world needs to purge their influence before it's too late. It may already be too late.

>>19292109
>Yeah American culture is deeply ill. It exalts schizo ramblings. Starting think the rest of the world needs to purge their influence before it's too late. It may already be too late.
You overestimate the reach American Culture has on the world. Especially outside of the Anglosphere and the West.

>>19290731
>

>>19291386
Western publishing is women dominated. This is unironically the reason.

>>19290971
>As an apocalyptic fantasy, the characters in the book lack dignity.
nice

Son of the Sun is now available in paperback, if hardcopies are more your thing.

If you are interested in ancient history, mythology, or adventure fiction, you might enjoy my debut novel. It currently holds a 4.8 rating on Amazon's Kindle Store, and is in the top 100 bestsellers in Greek and Roman Mythology.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B09J8HJJN8/

If you did, tell me why you liked the Malazdan books without spoilers.

>>19292631
I didn't.

>>19292631
I liked the cards, the magic and the spooky undead dinosaurs

>>19292631
I liked Hairlock, which gets killed in the first book.

>>19292033
What’s the obsession with westerners and magic ???

fuck you all /sffg/ retards

if reading good scifi is like jerking off to porn this book is like jerking off to a video of the guy jerking off to porn while he's describing the porn to you.

so...did you grasp the absolute?

>>19290688
>cultivation
no

>>19292631
I liked one Malazan book Deadhouse Gates. It's all downhill from there.

>>19293257
I’m grasping it right now, if you get my meaning.

I missed one of the keys. Just fucking one. How does this happen?
>>19293217
Jokes on you, that's my fetish.

Maybe this was already discussed in previous threads, the current month being October and all, but what are some good sci-fi books with an horror twist?

I've just watched Pandorum and it's pretty good.

Looks like the wheel of time series will have Egwene as a potential dragon reborn. Thoughts?

>>19293816
That makes 0 sense. DR is feared because HE's a male channeler who will fuck everything up.

>>19292631
It makes me discover the lore from item descriptions while having neither items nor descriptions

>>19293941
She could be male bigot

>>19294033
Stfu WoT already had a good tranny character, Arangar (or Osangar i forget).

>>19293784
No one knows. "good" being the keyword.

>>19294053
And now it has more. The Dragon Reborn is gender neutral, the prophecy could refer to the princess who was promised bigot.

>>19294061
>Rand's twin sister who also can channel saidin, the MALE half of the force, despite being aGIRL is the actual dragon
yeah they'd pull shit like this

>>19293816
lmao

>>19291975
>>19292033
It's about a big guy who beats up children. He glares at everyone with evil red eyes and breaks shit while constantly giving self-righteous apologies. He's also extremely greedy and will steal your shit without a second thought. He also cheats in every battle so he can win against his betters and kills people's innocent little sisters. Just an absolute cad. Also his girlfriend has 8 arms.

Malazan good?

>>19294137
It's shit

So I just finished reading 200 pages of Malice by John Gwynne and its absolutely amazing. Thanks to that one anon that recommended this over Malazan and Bakker garbage.

>>19294175
Still better than Sandershit and Jordan.

>>19294251
inderasting

Is there any good non-Arthurian Dark Ages fantasy lit?

>>19294315
Have you read Warlord Chronicles? It's an interesting "dark ages" take on Arthur at least.

>>19294315
That's not fantasy.

>>19290786
I really enjoyed the book. I can't compare it to the Russian.

>>19291769
The new pulp era writing is generally stronger but it's cool to peep directly into the minds of a past era.

>>19294547
how do we bring back redpilled writing

Is Dune the most boomer /sffg/ series there is?

>>19294251
>its absolutely amazing
how

>>19290786
god no, all of the Metro translations are shit
>>19293816
I will send them death threats if this actually happens
>>19294261
It resides in the same dumpster

>>19294547
>The new pulp era

it doesn't exist

>>19293816
God fucking damn it. I didn't have much expectations but the whole fucking point of the Dragon Reborn was that he was a male channeler because male channelers went insane. This is gonna be a dumpster fire the likes which we have never seen

>>19294642
It does. There's a new chance to monetize pure volume now that the cost of of publication has fallen to zero, the same way the pulp era drop in the cost of production drew in mass volume. You can say you don't like it, but kindle unlimited and webnovels have really brought back the desperate, seat-of-the-pants style of writing that printed novels couldn't tolerate.

>>19294691
Everything published digitally, or self published, is unrecoverable trash. The traditional industry is complete shit now, too, but at least there was a period where it produced readable work. Digital never has and never will.

>>19294591
Nah, that's Lord of the Rings.

>>19294741
Go into that archive above and see how trashy real pulp was. The pulp classics that survive today are cherry picked from that stinking heap. I say this from love. Today I would say the competence of the writing is higher, but this is offset by their reflection of a diseased culture as opposed to an ascendant one.

>>19294137
I regretted reading it. It got really bad starting with the 7th book.

>>19294175
Why?
>>19294799
Does it get better again later? Kind of like how the middle of Wheel of Time was insufferable.

>>19294833
>does it get better
A little, but not much. Erikson is really hamfisted with his info for 99% of each book, then resolves everything with 2 pages of asspulls. And he likes to keep adding needless characters, all while trying up plots with longstanding ones unsatisfactorily. Just very frustrating overall. Maybe I was filtered, I dunno, but I was happy when it was over and not in a good way.

>>19293816
>>19293941
>>19294607
>>19294685
They are probably using DR as a stand in for ta'veren here for some reason. An earlier leak said show Egwene is as much a ta'veren as the three boys.

I'm on book 6 of wheel of time and I almost dropped the whole series out of frustration when Alanna bonds Rand and he lets it happen and storms off like a beta without even demanding she undo it, even though he hates Aes Sedai and now knows from Lan that a bond can be altered on the Aes Sedai's death

I really hate dumb plot hooks that happen for the sake of it like that. He was having such nice and consistent character development up to that point

>>19295050
Rand is a bit of a bitch when it comes to women. Clearly Perrin and Mat are much better and he should get some advice from them.

>>19295028
Which is shit and misses one of the big points. People are scared shitless about the Dragon Reborn because they know he will be male and they believe this means he is doomed to go insane and break the world again.

>>19295098
Lews Therincel

>>19295050
He has more important things to do, like saving the world n shit. Also, you can't undo a bond, I think.

tfw just finished the unholy consult
Well fuck what now

>>19295115
>>19291238

>>19295110
I know I just meant that the website probably got it wrong. I've seen a lot of companion sites like that get terms of the show wrong, especially fantasy shows when there are a lot to mix up. The interns they put in charge of the website blurbs don't care that much.

>>19294799
>It got really bad starting with the 7th book.
That's when I got fed up too, but I think it was bad all along, I just didn't understand his writing style until then. Like you said, asspulls and making things up as he goes along combined with constant rewriting of rules guarantee that no plot line has a satisfying ending and what you think are cool characters that might go somewhere just get bumped out of the story, and replaced by clones with the same personality but a different name, and if they return later they have nothing in common with their old selves and are just weird aliens. At the end there were even clones of the aliens and I couldn't keep straight who was who because it was all so same-y and meaningless.

>>19295113
Nah it breaks if the Aes Sedai dies. At least that's the rule so far. That's why Moiraine rigged Lans to transfer to someone else, so he wouldn't be bondless and go back to killing himself in the blight

>>19295152
No but that poster said "demanding she undo it".

>>19295182
Yeah but he didn't even ask. That's what tripped me up. He just left. He got all angry and didn't even demand anything of it.

>>19295050
>>19295098
He's a haremcuck protag of course he's a dumb beta

>>19295201
>haremcuck
i'm no cunning linguist this seems to be a paradoxical term

>>19295217
Not him, but a lot of harem-themed books feature the mc being bossed into sex by multiple women who make their own arrangements on how to share him. High charisma, sure, but not the Chad move.

>>19295256
I guess that's one way to write a book with a harem in it without getting canceled in [current year] but yeah not very chad at all.

>>19295217
Harems (in fiction at least. Real life harem builders might be chads, I don't know. Somehow I doubt it though since it brings to mind guys who are so jealous and insecure they have to lock up their many wives and side squeezes in a secluded cloister so no other man may even think about looking at them, not to mention the many problems re China where the various wives were basically let free to run rabid over the Emperor's dynasty and succession) are inherently predicated on NTR and betaness. In a one guy many woman situation, a male author is both vastly overcompensating for his own insecurity with women and power, plus he has to at least somewhat self identify as a woman whose man is getting fucked by someone else to even write her as a character. For a female author it's also from a state of worthlessness, as in "yeah women aren't even worth the sole attention of one worthy man, this is just the best (I) could get"

>>19295115
Soon™

I ordered the complete Amber omnibus from my local bookshop. The owner told me that every book after the fifth is pretty trash. How accurate is this?

>>19296097
Very.

>>19291576
It ended shortly after I complained btw. But I don't get why we needed that whole aside. It must be some kind of metaphor. There's no way the author took us on a literal road trips with a tulpa for no reason.

But other than that, I'm still finding it difficult to care about anything in this book. It's kind of a neat hypothetical. "What if aliens were to invade and 400, how would we prepare for it?" But still, I'm not "vibing" with it, for lack of a better way to describe this feeling of apathy.

>>19294127
>Also his girlfriend has 8 arms.
She needs them all to fully encompass Lindon's cock. It's so girthy, that she needs 2 hands just to encircle it. And then 4 hand breadths to cover the length of it.

>>19293816
>>19294111
>>19294607
>>19294685
>>19295028
Part of me wants to believe they included Ewin in the show. Ewin was a boy around Mat and Rand's age who hung out with them in chapter 2. Ewin met Moiraine too and received a silver penny from her. Ewin's coin wasn't special like the other boy's coin. However, Moiraine would have no reason to think Ewin is unimportant before she arrives at the Two Rivers and learns about his exact birth date.

So prior to arrival, she might think this random village boy is important. Then she has a private meeting with the woman's circle. Learns everyone's birth date, and determines Ewin no longer matters to her plans.

I know... that's putting entirely too much faith in the feminism obsessed showrunner. But just imagine that possibility.

>>19296298
The dragon conquers.

>>19296344
Anon this is an insane amount of copium

Is The Great Dune Trilogy (Dune, Dune Messiah, Children of Dune) worth buying? I've heard that children of dune isn't that important though.

>>19296416
Hey anon, want to hear a weird wheel of time idea I've been thinking about?

>>19294598
> excellent prose
> interesting characters and viewpoints
> unique world building
> grey perspective for main characters
> ultra violent without being edgy

>>19296422
Most people will want to stop after the first book. The rest of the series goes from good if you're a fan to just bad.

>>19296422
That is 2000 pages in one volume. Make sure you touch a physical copy before buying it because there is a good chance the pages are bible thin.

>>19296745
>>19296754
I was just checking images of the book out and it seems that the font size is really fucking small to make the amount of pages around 900 or so. I dont think thats comfortable to read. Ill just buy myself the first book and see if I want to continue after that.

>>19295113
They can be undone, but there's nothing Rand can do to really force the issue because harming Alanna would harm himself.
Alanna later tries to use that to get away with being a bitch to the Aiel Wise Ones, who eventually find out that it's not really 1:1 and Rand really wont mind if they spank her. So they spank her a lot.

>>19296422
Absolutely - make sure you read God Emperor to cap it all off. That's the best volume of the original series imho and it's a shame people often just read the first 3 books.

>>19292631
i only read the first four. i was going to reply to say i didn't like them, but i think that's a little unfair - there was more to like than dislike, just not by enough to continue reading another 6 (or whatever) lengthy volumes.

>>19297308
>ancient fat cunt waxing philosophical to his servants for 600 pages
>good

Rank 'em, bros.

>>19297330
Bakker > the rest

Think I might be gay lads

>>19297386
Enjoy spending eternity in hell

>>19297330
Tolkien/Wolfe >

>>19294347
I did like the shieldwall battels in it but not much more

I'm reading between two fires and it's mediocre so far...it gets better later on?

I'm continually amazed by how willing people are to trust the recommendations of those who are just pushing their own preferences onto others and having them read books they couldn't care less whether they enjoy.

>>19297511
Sometimes a person just wants any guidance they can get. There are a lot of books out there so it can be hard to choose.

>>19297305
They can? I don't recall anyone undoing a warder bond, without killing either party. It's tech that even the forsaken don't understand, because they didn't have it during Age of Legends.

>>19297537
Alanna does it right at the end of book 14 So that her dying doesn't fuck with Rand while he fights.
Refusing to do it is just another Aes Sedai sticking point.

>>19297542
Oh shit yeah. Fucking hell, Aes Sedai and their Consequences...

What can you tell me about the Halo books?

>>19297609
I've read the first two. Fall of Reach was okay, The Flood was terrible.

>>19297516
Yeah, well, that doesn't mean they ought to take guidance from one of the worse ways when so many better ways are readily available.

>>19297609
They're great, then quality dips, nthen goes back up. Of course you'll get more out of it if you're familiar with halo.

>"I just wish I'd spent more time reading about spaceships and lasers and debating groundless hypotheticals about fictional characters in make believe story worlds"

>>19297743
This but unironically

>>19293816
i would love it desu. not a fan of the books and it would make book fans seethe so much.

George R. R. Martin Reacts to Family History in Finding Your Roots | Finding Your Roots | Ancestry
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdOCucU4a9g

What was that repugnant stench in the thread just before?

>>19297330
Who is bottom left?

>>19297609
Not bad but I think that in games it reduces what is in books. They don't know how to capture the essence, it's always all rushed

>>19297847
Cheetos

>>19297511
You sound really unhappy and resentful.

>>19294591
yep my grandpa likes it

>>19297690
No, not really. The best series I've ever read were recommended by other anons here.

>>19297888
I only sound like that because I am.

>>19297934
Either you're memeing (bakker) or is it's some popular series that you hadn't yet read because you don't read much.

>>19298023
Not my problem.

>>19297857
Lord Dunsany

Recommend any pulp kino besides John Carter?

>Either you're memeing (bakker) or is it's some popular series that you hadn't yet read because you don't read much.

>>19298023
You clearly don't read much either, since you can't distinguish singular from plural.

I read The Prince of Nothing trilogy and enjoyed it for the most part, but the Bakker posting has picked up so much in the past few months that I barely even post here now. It seems pointless and the thread feels dead.

>>19298091
Not my problem.

>>19298091
Sounds like a (You) problem desu.

>>19298092
>>19298094
Based.

>>19298091
(cont.) Also I feel like I instigated some of it, as he wasn't being discussed as much when I read the books, and I posted about them a lot afterwards, often in a low quality manner, and the constant shitposting from others started not long after that. I regret it.

Don't care.

>>19294547
reminder that Verne was a member of a mysterious secret society
https://sciencedailyonline.blogspot.com/2019/09/jules-verne-and-society.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soci%C3%A9t%C3%A9_Ang%C3%A9lique

>>19294547
Verne always struck me as one of those assholes who repeats whatever the bourgie newsrags tells them to think. Like if he was alive today, he'd be writing strong womyn protagonists and thinly veiled Nazi allegories like Vernor Cringe. Could just be the French censors talking though.

>>19298125
(cont.) Also, I'm transgender btw.

>>19295050
It's a really dumb moment and there are worse in the same vein coming.
>>19295217
He's more like involuntary manwhore, repeatedly raped by destiny and his "harem" members.

>>19296271
You really need to be able to appreciate this trilogy like it's an old golden-age sci fi classic. Ideas are what hold the whole book together, not plot or character. It does pick up after the time skip

>>19298339
Take your meds, schizo.

>>19298464
Don't gaslight even if you don't like a post, fag.

>>19294251
It's good, and gets worse with every novel. At the end, you'll feel a sense of disappointment at the time wasted.
If you want a character journey, try Sword of Shadows.
>>19295050
>>19295098
Male fantasy authors are repressed beta cucks and you can see this pattern show itself in many a series, where their self insert paragon looks to the outside world as a footstool that should be doused in hot plasma.
>Samwell Tarly
>Rand al'Thor
>Kvothe
>Locke Lamora
I like fantasy of the olden days, when men were men and wrote fantasy like chads every day before going home and fucking their wives without any intention of granting them orgasms. Good times.

Amazon's wot looks good

>>19298687
Misogyny

>>19298350
Epic Bakkerposting, brother

>>19298719
You shut your stupid fucking mouth, retard.
>first full clip they show is Moiraine going into the Winespring Inn and announcing to the entire village that she's Aes Sedai
Completely unforgivable to fuck up a character like that on purpose, for no reason.

>>19298419
>He's more like involuntary manwhore, repeatedly raped by destiny and his "harem" members.
this is my exact fetish. should i read wheel of time?

The bells go ding
All hail the king
Bakker rules supreme
Haters rage and scream

>>19293816
>dragon
New Wheel of Time trailer. You called it. Moiraine says that one of the FIVE in the party has the potential to defeat the Dark One.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tv-gOy3DPCo

>>19298719
I like the cast. It's nice to see some diversity in fantasy. Perrin looks really cool. Can't wait.

>>19299014
Holy fuck, It looks so shit. I'm so glad this series was never good to begin with.

>>19299014
God dammit. Do you think they are going for an epic subversion thing where the prophecy ends up not mattering and girl power saves the day? Because I do. I can't imagine why they would make that change otherwise.
>The Wheel weaves as the Wheel wills
If there isn't a blooper compilation of every time someone got tongue tied saying that then I won't watch the show, plain and simple.

>>19298897
Didn't ask
>>19298903
Sure it's the best fantasy series ever

>>19299054
>Sure it's the best fantasy series ever
That's not how you bait, sweetie.

>>19299051
>Do you think they are going for an epic subversion thing where the prophecy ends up not mattering and girl power saves the day?
Perhaps. The fact that they're making such a change is a giant red flag. I wouldn't put anything passed them at this point.

>>19290688
This one apologizes for being a faggot

Inspired by another anon's book chart of Bioshock

anyone have an ebook copy of ReDawn by Sanderson?

>>19299105
julian cumsock

>>19299014
Completely shitting all over the lore. Love how the "fans" defend garbage like this.

>>19299193
>Daniel Greene here, you know how for years I've said I loved Wheel of Time? Even called it the best fantasy series ever? Well I love defending corporations making changes in the name of woke politics more.

Out of interest, how many of you guys play MTG, and if so what deck(s) do you play?

>>19299279
I was a big fan of the peasant format 15 years ago

>>19299051
I'm going to cope for a minute and say that I hope they learned their lesson from GoT: the show goes to shit once the ""writers"" get carte blanche to write what they want.

>>19299000
Digits of Gloria

>>19299615
I think the only lesson anyone learned from GoT is that you can change whatever you want and still have a hit show. Even after the most noticeable drop in quality the show remained a cultural phenomenon and retained viewers, even if partly or mostly through sunk cost. The casual audience only got pissed at GoT during the final season and it's too late at point to matter. I think GoT ruined fantasy adaptions for years to come.

>>19299051
Tuon is going to be the new heroine. And the sul'dam are going to leash men. Feel free to screencap this post.

>>19300522
>And the sul'dam are going to leash men
there's no way this isn't going to happen. fucking hacks

>>19297442
Excellent taste, friend

>>19299014
>Xer who comes with the dawn

>>19299279
I used to.
Red deck wins, jund, some EDH, green stompy, and merfolk were my favorites.

>>19297330
Wolfe, Dunsany <power gap> Tolkien, Bakker

>>19299279
Mostly play edh, favourite decks are kykar equipment, yuriko and xenagod.

>>19300746
Tolkien is just a better version of Dunsany. Cope.

>>19300850
Bakker is just a better version than Tolkien. Cope.

>>19300850
Dunsany is far superior to Tolkien and that's that.

>>19300856
This.

>>19300887
lol

Does it trouble you Proyas?

>>19300929
Tfw everyone is damned

>>19300850
Tolkien is Dunsany with autism instead of character development or prose, and Bakker is sloppy pop Tolkien with a side of Canadian molestation angst. Wolfe is kind of the odd one out, but he's closer to the Dunsany level of character writing, and I find him more entertaining.

Tolkien>Bakker>Wolfe>Dunsany
Cope. All are good though.

tfw still have never read lotr

>>19301061
Not missing anything desu.

>>19300499
After the shitshow that was the ending, GoT completely disappeared as a cultural phenomenon from the collective consciousness. It also did so overnight

>>19301061
>>19301064
I hope this is a cringe larp.

>>19301108
Literally doesn't matter. It kept HBO subs at an all time high for the 9 years it was on and one of those years didn't even have a season air. It floated HBO's subscription cable TV model through the age of streaming services until they could launch their own. It was that popular while it was on, and everyone is going to want their turn at milking that cow. If anything, GoT's shitty ending is only fueling more adaptions to get shat out faster in an attempt to capture its audience while they still want something like it.

>>19301116
I'm serious. Im a dummie who's turned off cause I already saw the movies. But it's been so long I think I can enjoy it now. And I just finished bakker, already read book of the new sun, so...it's either this or join reddit and become a sandermemer.

>>19299276
Just discovered this faggot. I was pleasantly surprised to see he had never made a video about Wolfe or Bakker.

>>19301180
Every book he's recommended that I've read I hated. Also he hated Cradle. So his opinion is basically shit.

>>19301180
he did a bookshelf tour and had the first book of BOTNS on his "unread/donate" shelf so I guess he got filtered

>>19301151
>Literally doesn't matter.
Idk, I'm not sure the company was thrilled about having its golden egg laying goose killed.

>>19291384
Better then your shifty books with 40 year old Mc or shitty multiple Mcs with barely any differences, books that substitute depth with throwing around big words and half developed ideas.

>>19291384
>>19301224
To be fair as someone who likes Cradle, Unsouled is a really weird book. It's basically about Lindon being treated like shit until he discovers 1 weird trick to beat kids half his own age and size. Then there's a literal deus ex machina that sets the plot into motion.

Soulsmith isn't that much better. It doesn't really have any direction at all as a narrative, although the villain of that book and the next is one of my favorite characters in the series. I'm looking forward to him maybe becoming a major character again in book 10. Also, while you vaguely get the feeling of "this is a high fantasy series" by the end of Unsouled, you don't really get the sense of it until this book, where there's characters with glowing green acid phantom scorpions crawling up their arms and a woman who has 8 mechanical spider legs and everyone treats it like something normal. And I think that's neat.

I believe no one in /sffg/ enjoy science fiction or fantasy because everyone is bitchy about all the books

>>19301358
I like reading books and telling people they're stupid for not liking my favorite books.

>>19293816
>>19299014
I had zero expectations for the the tv show but I am disappointed they couldn't resist libbing it up.

>>19301262
>Cradle
Where do I get this? Is it a web novel like the others?

>/lit/ tells me fifth season it's awful
>give it a shot anyway
>it's actually pretty good
I think I can tell why y'all don't like it. just a hunch

>>19301879
I like it. Besides, I pretty much ignore everyone’s opinion on books because they’re most likely shitposting or being bias.

>>19290688
I tried reading the book yesterday after seeing people shill this. Its not bad I say. I expected it to be shit because of, well, cultivation. Its not great writing but it's a fun read.

>>19301869
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/30558257-unsouled
No it's a (self) published book series

>>19301896
The reviews seems middling, though I supposed that's good since there's no extremes. Though this caught my eye.

>Unsouled is the first book out of—if I’m not mistaken, please correct me if I’m wrong—twelve planned books in Will Wight’s highly acclaimed Cradle series. The story follows Wei Shi Lindon, an Unsouled who’s not allowed to learn the sacred arts of his clan due to his deficiency. Due to his misfortune, Lindon has to use and scheme whatever possible means to gain victories over his obstacles. It’s a book that’s filled with resonating themes such as paving your own path, and the willingness to pour in extraordinary hard work to fight against all odds.
How many books is wight finish?

>>19301896
You got anymore recommendations? Trying to get into this whole xianxia/cultuvation thing.

>>19301945
The 10th Cradle book comes out next week. He's apparently written 19 novels across 3 different "franchises" if you will, plus 3 books of short stories.

>>19301974
So only two books left to complete the entire series?

>>19301977
Supposedly.
>>19301969
I'm not a big time expert on the genre. I haven't read any of the actual chinese stuff. Also there's a lot of overlap with litrpg which I'm not really fond of. Stuff I've read that I'd recommend:
Cradle
Street Cultivation
A Thousand Li (with the caveat that many people find it boring for a reason)
Iron Prince (kinda? It's a weird scifi progression fantasy series that we need more than one book to really judge where its going. The pacing is surely going to be horrendous)
Virtuous Sons (this shit is gold and it's a web novel so go wild)
Stuff I've read that I wouldn't recommend:
Artorian Archive
Forge of Destiny (everything bad said about A Thousand Li can be applied here except 10x more boring and poorly paced)

>>19301969
Not him but try Reverend Insanity and Tensei gotoki de nigerareru to demo, nii-san?

>>19302037
>isekai

>>19302005
Outside of cradle, which I’m going to get the first book, which one should I start first?

>>19302042
It's worth reading.

>>19302037
>Tensei gotoki de nigerareru to demo, nii-san?
>Incest
I’ll read it, only to see how far it goes.

>>19302044
A Thousand Li maybe? It seems like a good introduction to the xianxia milieu for western audiences who don't know anything about it.

It really tries to play up daoist philosophy (which I understand is actually understated in most chinese xianxia works) but it feels like really amateur philosophizing. Virtuous Sons takes the same idea but it set in Greece and feels much more profound when it's trying to be and is much better written overall. It kind of expects you to be somewhat familiar with xianxia tropes though.

>>19302066
I've only read a few manga chapters of it, but it was weird as shit.
>>19302005
>Virtuous Sons (this shit is gold and it's a web novel so go wild)
Greek inspired cultivation sounds pretty based.

>>19302069
>I've only read a few manga chapters of it
I just checked the tags, Comedy, Psychological, Sexual violence, Tragedy and Gore. Now I need to know what's it about.

>>19302068
>>19302069
I keep hearing about Virtuous sons, but how does it work with eastern philosophy?

>>19302068
Forge of Destiny is actually quite good at the beginning despite the fact that I don't recommend reading it. Around the time it turns into endless student council jockeying and lesbian drama it starts to really fray at the seams. Plus it was literally written by committee.

>>19302090
>Plus it was literally written by committee
What?

>>19302087
It feels to me like some of the characters embody different philosophies (Solus perhaps representing a more socratic philosophy, and Griffon representing a warped xianxia version of daoism) and in the course of most of their discussions they debate.
>>19302105
It's basically a novelization of a quest thread

>>19302109
So does Virtuous Sons have gay shit in it? I've just started reading and wouldn't be surprised if that's the way it ends up going between Solus and Griffon. Especially since it is Greek inspired.

>>19302109
>course of most of their discussions they debate.
Like actual debates or one of those fantasy “debates”?

>>19302121
Amusingly a bunch of the characters think the same thing about the two of them. Solus is straight as far as I can tell and Griffon is a complete narcissist.

I’m looking for books like the legacy of Kain series, I’ve the first Elric novel but there has to be more out there

>>19302152
Necroscope

>>19297609
Better than they have any right to be. The Halo franchise drew on a lot of archetypal narrative arcs/characters from ancient foundational myths so it ended being extremely compelling in a sea of other "cyborg alien killer badass" shooters.

The arc of exceptional children being called for a life of hardship and duty from a young age is especially compelling. Who hasn't wondered about having a strong calling like that so early in life? And to have to turn your back on that calling to do what you know is morally right, to use your nurtured power against those who nurtured to do what you believe is right? It's like Berserk in a lot of ways in its expression of fighting against unescapable destiny. To break your slave morality and ascend past the order and rules imposed on you and grow exponentially instead of linearly.

>>19302183
I just wish they did something more with the SPARTAN-III program. They got shafted so hard for the IV it ain't even funny.

>>19302204
Spartan IV are the biggest disappointment. They definitely jumped the shark on that one.

>>19302264
Spartan IV don't make sense in the lore, their augmentation is weak as hell. Even Spartan III augmentation could barely keep up with the II's augmentation and the III's were totally outclassed when one fought Kelly. Though I wish they've kept the Semi-Powered Infiltration armor.

>>19302303
that looks like a fallout power armor with a stealth suit helmet

>>19302309
Does it really? I don't see the similarities between the two.

>>19302303
The SPI-armor made sense in-universe, it was a cheaper, weaker alternative than the mjolnir, that can be made in bulk compare to the mjolnir. But the second generation of the Mjolnir doesn’t. The entire point of the SPI armor was that it didn’t bankrupt the UNSC and it was cost-effective.

>>19302320
We ain't going back to those days anymore. There's a Gen 3 now.

Bakker probably hates /sffg/ for tarnishing his reputation (at least in his eyes), giving sjws fuel against him and associating him with le racist frog memes.

>>19302339
based

>>19302339
Bakker doesn’t even know that this place exists.

>>19302309
>fallout power armor with a stealth suit helmet
Nah, the power armor of Fallout is more scuff and bulkier. The SPI in comparison is a bit sleeker

>>19302338
343 needs to be shit with how they butchered Halo. Holy shit this is horrendous.

>>19302309
The Enclave Enclave power armor also isn't anyway similar.

>>19302204
>>19302303
>>19302345
>>19302358
I like that power armors are bulky. Never understood why in new, modern sci-fi stories they need to be sleek. Am I the only with this opinion?

>>19302365
Depends on who is wearing it

>>19302371
Personally, I think Starship trooper had it right. But that's my opinion. What series is that pic from?

>>19302371
I’m just going to say we don’t need power armor with a cleavage. It’s the same debate with the breastplate.

>>19302373
>Starship trooper
Good novel. Shame the movie had such a political direction. I’ve heard that the Japanese anime version is more faithful, is that true?

>>19302387
>I’ve heard that the Japanese anime version is more faithful, is that true?
Never seen them, but from what I could gather, Starship Troopers: Invasion seems pretty decent.

>>19302387
Also, fuck Paul Verhoeven. Piece of shit should have just not filmed the movie if he disagreed with the novel.

>>19302395
Will check it out and see for myself then.

>>19302395
>sti
kukuku
No but yeah, the two Korean animated movies are loads better than the live action sequels. I think they're dumb and video game-y, but it works because they're animated. They're not just cheap garbage like the live action sequels.
The anime from the 80s or whenever looks cheap.

>>19302400
Same. Don’t know why he even bothered doing the movie if he was just going to shit it up. But nonetheless, fuck him.

>>19302384
What if it's like this?

>>19302407
>the two Korean animated movies are loads better than the live action sequels.
There's two animated movies?

Only fantasy I'm reading now is Cradle, I got the first few books and hopefully by the time I'm done with those I'll have the new Ken Liu Dandelion Dynasty book, been waiting quite a while for it. I have a few backups but this wait is really pising me off. I do have another book I'm reading and it doesn't really count in this thread unless you count the main character never really suffering much out of all the shit he's been through(I'm a Jack Reacher fag, read them all except the one I'm reading). I do have some semi decent stuff in my back catalog tho, at least I hope...(murderbot & some other stuff)

>>19302410
But why the cleavage?

>>19302413
>Jack Reacher
That's still being made?

>>19302410
Boobs, but also, what series?

>>19302412
Starship Troopers has 2 live action and 2 animated movie sequels. There's also apparently a series?

New thread
>>19302423

>>19302422
Never knew there was a sequel after the first film. Are the animated movies good? Also, a series? Like anime series?

>>19302431
I've never seen any of them. Posting the Emma Watson lookalike from Traitor of Mars was a /tv/ meme for a short while

>>19302446
>Traitor of Mars
Seems faithful to the source material.
https://youtu.be/lpXZwdu6RCc

>>19302417
Yeah but the last 2 books Lee's brother Andrew has been helping with the writing, the books are still good though

>>19302492
I thought the Jack reacher Novels ended?

>>19292631
once you get five books in it introduces a pair of characters who are kind of funny comic relief

Why is it that all you fuckers want to talk about now is poorly written garbage like Will Shite? At least Bakker's books are passably written. When are you all going to go back to talking about actually well-written prose like pic related's?

>>19297330
Dunsany honestly doesn't come close to the rest, let alone Tolkien.

>Before there stood gods upon Olympus, or ever Allah was Allah, had wrought and rested MANA-YOOD-SUSHAI.
>There are in Pegana--Mung and Sish and Kib, and the maker of all small gods, who is MANA-YOOD-SUSHAI.
Dropped

>>19303174
niggas drinking the fluoride water be like

>>19296648
please tell me there are no SJW tropes. For example, a woman/nigger trying to "fit in" to a community.