/lit/ - Literature

God I wish someone would make anime illegal

>>19290263

Anime is pretty stupid

Alas,
Sneed!

>>19290259
>Day – Night. –
>The Hellenes had a fine sense of the sanctity of night. The profoundest sense of it must have been revealed to those attending the great performances of the Oresteia of Aeschylus. This began in daylight: Agamemnon – complete human error – crime – desire. Afternoon: Electra – revenge – expiation – punishment. With the Eumenides dusk falls; at the end fully night: the young men escort the appeased, reconciled daemons of revenge in torchlight procession to their nocturnal place of rest. –
>Now the sanctity of the night feeling gives birth to playful merriment also: fauns and satyrs tease each other by torchlight, jocular dismay and disappointment – drunks scrambling for resting-place. The world lightly sheds its burdensome seriousness, and – peace becomes possible. – Here sleep – there death! –

I've been trying to come up with a "Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ 's Theme" but I don't know what kind of sound I should be going for
https://voca.ro/18ZVVm5BpFuU

God, I wish someone would make more anime about the french revolution.

>>19290287
Yes but the weebs are the aristocracy and they all get guillotined

>>19290287
They drew Napolean like some effeminate French model

Words won’t save you. No matter how many of them you spend time glazing over them, it’s just a bunch of hullabaloo. Sure, words have done great things, if you think they have. See that’s your problem, you’re already thinking. At that point you should give up. Even if you found the meaning of life (which I have), you’ll discover that even if you were to try to explain it, it’d just come out as some more words. And since at this point, there have been so many words made, that they wouldn’t believe you even if you were right. And even if you were right about the meaning of it all, it just turns into a truth, like 1+1=2. Big deal? So it is…. It’s not the words themselves that matter, but what they allow you to DO. And so, I ask you this, what are you actually going to do, other than keep masturbating? Is there really anything else you can do? That you’re even capable of?

I sure hope so

Ever since I was a boy I have been dreadfully shy about going barefoot. I have no trouble exposing my bare chest and even my genitals to strangers like doctors and so on, but the prospect of stripping off my shoes—! I don’t know why. There is nothing wrong with them, except that they are quite pale from lack of exposure to the sun… It feels so intimate and vulnerable… Like someone could discern everything they need to know about you from looking at your nude lower limbs…

Its unfortunate that I need to ramp up my alcohol consumption in order to mitigate my weed withdrawals. I smashed my knee into a table earlier because I was stumbling and it hurt so fucking much. Oh well, I guess this is the price I have to pay. You never really win when when you fix vices with vices, you just do a little better every time I guess.

Schizophrenic jumped the gun again.

Too bad mods, Jannies and the hoards that post in this general are all weebs who hate books.

We almost made a separate one, but it was ignored

>>19290294

>>19290353
See? Why can’t animu get that look?
Is it incapable? Too many restrictions of style?

>>19290353
That an emperor clothes and a normal looking face and hair

Napoleon was the greatest general of all time

>>19290379
Clearly not.

I recall the ferocity with which I fought aging as I entered adolescence. Several shopping trips were necessary to convince me that I did not, in fact, need to size up in girlchild pants -- an increase in width -- but to travel into the junior's pants. Many years later, with a pants-size unchanged, I am beset by all manner of new body horrors, and I think wistfully on that time I spent with my extra waist fabric gathered in my grandmother's hand.

I wish I could talk to a Roman from the 450s AD. We're in the same boat as them, it seems. The collapse is imminent, everyone knows it, and we are all waiting for the hammer to fall. Even was I was a child, I was interested in the fall of Rome. Maybe on some level I understood I lived in the same situation.

Still, I am comforted. Western civilization is cyclical, and even though I will not see it, an ascent will follow the descent I live in. It may happen a thousand years from now, but it will happen, that I am sure of.

>>19290384
Yes he was
https://towardsdatascience.com/napoleon-was-the-best-general-ever-and-the-math-proves-it-86efed303eeb
Napoleon used to win battles just by moving his troops.

>>19290384
He was the greatest general. He was a piss poor emperor. He tried to use b to keep him a. Like hammering screws.

>>19290391
Yet, one must understand the futility of hoping in a future that's not yours.

>>19290384
what books about military history and theory have you read butters?

Human Sacrifice

>>19290418
did you sleep all day

>>19290393
And then he spent the lives of his men on losing it all. All for nothing. A legacy of nonsense and futility.

>>19290408
Luttwak’s Byzantine book. Garibaldi Invention of a Hero, this and that.
Have Lefebvre’s Napoleon

>>19290430
no, i don't think so. slept normally. still feel like shit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Po1rPMoGXm4

>>19290431
Napoleon has a legacy as the greatest general. That's a legacy most men would dream of having.

>>19290443
most men are idiots

>>19290447
Yet we rule the world, and made most of the advancements in technology and knowledge in general.

>>19290431
... so you've read two niche books on very specific topics and nothing about napoleon. christ you are such a fucking pseud lmao

So you have these teenagers going to doctors with tourettes because they saw it on tiktok and think it makes them special and feel cool. Of course, these kids don't *actually* have tourettes, yet their symptoms express themselves in such a way that for all intents and purposes they might as well have the disorder. What's more, many of these kids have convinced themselves that they have tourettes, when they present with symptoms to the doctor they do not *feel* as though they are lying. Combined, this has lead some doctors to mistakenly diagnose these malingerers with the disease.

It's bizarre, of course, and a form of mass hysteria. We can all plainly see it as such. Yet it is a lot more controversial to suggest that things like depression, anxiety, autism, adhd and god forbid, transgenderism is also a form of social hysteria exacerbated by online communities which coalesce about these disorders. As in the case of tourettes, there ARE people who DO suffer from these things, but the massive uptick in people identifying in such a manner surely suggests that a decent part of this is social contagion.

>>19290456
Yet here you are browsing 4chan.

>>19290461
Well we all can't be Napolean or Tesla

>>19290456
Someone just tried to convince me this wasn’t the case by citing a book.

>>19290457
It’s like you don’t know how Napoleons life ended

I don't read books written by women

>>19290259
I am but a leech amongst leeches attached to the underbelly of an unknowable beast in the infinite process of change. My grip is weak yet some are weaker. They fall into the riverbed in search of something better, something simpler. But the beast is all there truly is. Met at different points along the channel until we reach the mouth.

>>19290472
and what does that have to do with anything? perhaps instead of being a texbook pseudo intellectual you can actually pick up a book, maybe something like The campaigns of Napoleon, as well as some other basic miliairy history and theory books so you can actually get an idea of his place in militairy history

honestly though, i cant believe you are SO desperate for validation you constantly overstep like this and in the process expose yourself as a pseud who doesn't know a fucking thing about what you talk about and doesn't even read

>>19290259
Funny how someone with a condition like mine is doing so much better than all of you at work. You're not as determined as me and you're not as willing to sacrifice for the occupation. You're no where near on my motherfucking level. How many years have I been there and you still haven't changed one fucking bit from the day I met all of you. But me? I've changed so fucking much in the span of the short years since this condition started and since I first started on that freight day. I'm not blind to what you are anymore. I see all your fucking flaws hanging out in the open. You boast that you're better than the new workers and i'll give you that but it's not much of a fucking difference. Seems like throughout all my life i've been surrounded by inferiority and it's treacherous claws trying to sink into me and drag me down to it's level. I'll never be like any of you. So unlearned and never tasted the pain of what it's truly like to go through a travail that put's your sanity to the test. Soft and corpulent and sloven. Why should I respect you when you don't even respect yourself enough to live everyday as though it would be your last. Tomorrow is never guaranteed. There are no promises. Especially in the current state of the world.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Yx0msFM6Zk

i fcking smash u

>>19290497
The entire reason she tripfags here is because she wants to stand out specifically among people who read, and to cultivate a fake identity as some sort of well read anarchist intellectual and legitimize herself. Its textbook pseudo intellectualism.

I am in this fucking masters program for no reason at all and good lord is it hard to study for a class which you know for a fact is 100% pointless and will have no value for you.

>>19290497
Fuckdamn. Why are you so stupid?
It doesn’t matter how many battles he won when in the end he lost it all. Anon above points out he was a general but piss poor emperor. That’s all you get.

>>19290384

>>19290551
Following her MO. You're such a complete and total retard.

And another Write What’s On Your Mind thread ruin because of an attention-whore.

In case anyone missed it (>>19290555
and >>19290561) was a days-long BTFO of the insect. She even got caught turning off her trip to argue in her own defense (she lied about it at first too), admitting to shitting her pants and posting about it on /lit, and saying that she ratted to the jannies because she was seething so hard. Summary and thread:

>>19259922
>thread about midwit/NPC protagonists
>/lit's insect problem (unironically) makes an appearance
>anon makes witty dad joke
>jab at insect's sexual identity it relentlessly flaunts
>anons laugh
>insect is triggered and insults the joke's quality
>oblivious (in general, as always) of what makes a good dad joke—piss off fems
>insect is flustered and calls everyone midwits
>pile on ensues
>”I'm not seething! The joke isn't funny, you're not even laughing!”
>apparent to all the insect is seething; makes pile on even funnier
>coming back will make things worse...but insect can't resist
>for the insect/tripfag the (you) is honey
>positive/negative attention dichotomy doesn't exist

>MO anon points out insect's pattern
>jumping into threads and saying retard tier shit i.e. ”muh atheism! muh personal life!”
>[“muh anarchism.. Ima female” would have also been acceptable]
>insect turns off trip and pretends to be a random defender
>gets caught instantly
>tries to lie about it
>“random” anon: “she uses an IPAD; just another phone poster...I DONNO”
>literally makes next (obvious « Ƹ̵̡Ӝ̵̨̄Ʒ ») post exactly 1min later
>called out again, gives up
>”I was being retarded on purpose! Believing in god is stupid!”
>the meme defence/non sequitur atheism MO anon predicted
>anons laugh
>”[MO anon] is a liar! He wrote all lies!”
>anons laugh harder

>anon posts picture from the time insect shit her pants and posted it on /lit
>post gets erased
>anon points out insect was triggered and reported post
>insect admits she had the post deleted (i.e. triggered/true)
>insect also admits it was in fact shitty panties
>plausible deniability of bad hygiene given up

i think adorno was right about culture after fascism, for the most part at least.

https://youtu.be/2xUZFg_CLU8
https://youtu.be/c4wqPsf0gxA

>>19290551
Jesus Christ you gotta be fucking kidding me
>he lost one specific campaign, so that invalidates his insane proficiency at the the art of war, and the revolutionary impact he had that is so fundamentally game changing that it still to this day effects the way armies operate even as the way war is waged has become completely alien to the what he knew
how can you be THIS ignorant? your head is so fucking far up your own ass its unbelievable. you KNOW you dont know what the fuck you are talking about but you still act like some sort of learned authority and fling insults at people to feel better about yourself. what is it that you have to prove exactly? why do you act this way? is it some feminist compulsion to prove yourself as a women that is so compelling and important to you that you will lie and act like a fucking ass just try and keep up? you would be so much better as a human being if you dropped this whole act, probably so much happier to boot.

I have a curious relationship with corporations. I am dependent on one for my income, and on others to supply me the goods I need to live my life. But I am well aware of the fact that both my employer and my suppliers (for lack of a better word) have no regard for me. A coworker told me a story about a previous layoff and how this woman was quietly crying while packing her stuff. I can't lie, I'd probably become a hardcore communist if that happened to me (granted I'm literally the son of a landlord so I'd be purged, but oh well). I just don't get how these institutions made up of people become so inhumane.

>>19290583
>YOU GODDA BE FOCKIN MEE
Why you cannot into logic?
>why why why whyyyyy
Because I’m right. He fought and his people fought and it all ended in disaster. What the ever living fuck? “Great Man” historiography is bullshit. I bet you think Alexander deserved the title “the great”.
I am happier than you generally and between this little spat.

>>19290583
No one wants to be wrong, anon, and folk like butters are such shallow human beings that they can't accept the fact that sometimes being wrong is ok, and no one knows everything. She will completely compartmentalize her mind to justify never admitting she was wrong about anything, never changing, never learning. its a sad state of affairs, and unfortunately she isn't alone.

>>19290606
this is just so fucking sad. I already layed out the logic and explained why your logic is faulty and you've just thrown a temper tantrum like a child in response. you already admitted you have 0 knowledge on this topic and I made some book recommendations, but here you are so insanely arrogant and prideful that you're trying bluff after showing everyone your losing hand

ill ask again: WHY do you do this? I genuinely in good faith want to know your thought process here

>>19290645
You said a bunch of nothing. Even after I spelled it out for you. There’s no “temper tantrum” you literal child. You haven’t addressed a single point made.
Okay here. Troll rating 1/10
But tell me how sincere you are again. And it goes lower.

>>19290645
your manlet wog king was BTFO by anglochads FUCKING FOREVER. deal with it

>>19290659
i didn't say a bunch of nothing, i said that napoleon can easily be considered one of if not the greatest generals because of his extreme skill at warfare and revolutionary impact that not only outlived him but outlived the type of war he waged twice over, and the fact that he lost one campaign does not invalidate any of those facts, then you threw a temper tantrum.

you didnt spell anything out to me, you didn't even make any sort of rebuttal, you just got really upset

ill ask again: WHY do you do this? I genuinely in good faith want to know your thought process here

>>19290393
Napolean's WAR is so high because he fought in dozens of battles. Per-battle WAR Alexander the Great takes the cake. https://www.wearethemighty.com/popular/best-generals-ranked-by-statistics/

>>19290673
Why are you even replying to it? You already know its M.O, it just seeks attention.

>>19290673
I already addressed that. That’s not temper, that’s spelling it out for a weak mind who can’t think.
Now I need to spell out where and how I spelled it to you.
I am genuinely just calmly sipping tea. Quoting you in bold letters is me saying you’re sperging out

>>19290551
>It doesn’t matter how many battles he won when in the end he lost it all. Anon above points out he was a general but piss poor emperor. That’s all you get.
Here >>19290400
my metrics for “great” actually involves a success.
Not a string of successful mass murders that leads to the inevitable end. Stupid bootlicker.

>>19290697
He’s a troll, It.
Gawd, you people are all so stupid.

>>19290709
>I already addressed that
where? you literally just repeated yourself. hell you didn't even elaborate, you just said the same thing. yes im sure you're calm, just like that thread where you were so calm you had to spend literal hours exhausting your laughing reaction images to prove to everyone just how calm you were lol.

I crushed a disc in my spine while at work between my L4 and L5 and it needs surgery. I can't even lift my pack without severe pain. I can't bend over to lift a small book without pain. My life is over. Every morning the pain is a 6/10 because the oxycodone has worn off during my sleep. I think about killing myself every morning, then I become angry and aggressive and think about killing other people. I can't drive my car withiut pain, hitting the accelerator hurts somewhat but pressing the clutch is severe.

The pain has seeped into every part of my life even my dreams are now related to the pain. I can't so much as bend over in the shower. I thought I wasn't much of a decent person before this but now I am an actual psychopath. I just woke up. I'm laying in bed waiting for the oxy to kick in. I'm also drinking black rum. The spine hurts so fucking much.

>>19290263
fpbp, anime was unironically a mistake

I don't know what I would do without my addiction visiting this vile website. I think about it a lot, supposing one day I type the URL and it just returns: Error website not found. What would I do then? How shall my time be spent? Will I actually be productive and read more?

Because I know that time will come eventually, perhaps sooner than I'll ever anticipate. I suspect however that my life wouldn't be too different and I'll just pick up another vice instead. Perhaps pick up drinking, or more realistically haunt a more obscure imageboard.

It is quite a thought.

>>19290722
Stop replying to it, for fuck sakes, how hard is it for you.

>>19290737
>Because I know that time will come eventually, perhaps sooner than I'll ever anticipate
I wish i could be so optimistic

https://youtu.be/XrY2m5rdlQQ

i am a lone

https://youtu.be/XrY2m5rdlQQ

>>19290762
>>19290755
why though?

>>19290762
>>19290755
lmao this niggas posting this shit twice because he needs it to be associated with his tripcode for it to be validating like a facebook post made for likes lmao

>>19290686
Your link says Napolean is number one

>>19290673
It's retarded it just wanted to start an argument without knowing anything about Napolean's skill and legacy in warfare.

>>19290772
It also says Alexander had the highest per-battle WAR

>>19290791
He only had 9 battles

>>19290791
Not him but didnt alexanders success lean quite heavily on inheriting the Macedonian phalanx formation from his late father?

You guys ever think about how Germany has one of the highest average IQs in the world yet they were still convinced en masse to support The Third Reich
And in the end they were beaten by much stupider countries simply commanding an even bigger horde of lemmings even more convinced that they were doing the right thing
The masses really are easy to manipulate and control I think it's good to keep this in mind when dealing with people

>>19290820
to be fair they didn't exactly have a better choice, the weimar government was basically gobohomo tier trash and they already had one jewish bolshevik takeover attempt, with more likely on the horizon as long as the weimar government was at the wheel

>>19290820
More than 90% of the population will always be cattle.
What always makes me laugh is how people today say they wouldn't be apart of the Nazi regime if they lived there during the time. Of course they would be. They do whatever they are told.

I just hope its all worth it in the end. Goodnight for now, but sometimes I hope its forever.

>>19290768
>>19290771
Who are you quoting? I don't see any other posts. Do you guys? No? No second posts? Where are the posts that you are referring to and can you prove it was the same poster? You made an assertion, now back it up.

>>19290876
>>/lit/thread/S19290259#p19290755

>>19290884
What is it with tripfags and their need for validation?

>>19290894
What is with this need you thirst for?
Years and years of this /b/ shaming. Fuck off.

It appears two separate posters made that post anon, can you prove their identity?

Anyway, this is besides the point. You know what's more cringe then deleting a post because you left your trip off? Calling it out after it was already deleted, that's just embarrassing. Youre basically saying you're too mentally handicapped to catch the post quick enough but also only saw the post because you're desperately refreshing hoping someone will reply to your gay life story itt.

It has been spoken, thus it is so.

>>19290898
holy cope butters
I would respect you more if you just admitted you liked the attention.

>>19290894
its really wierd and sad. they've always tried to turn 4chan into facebook/reddit/instagram/whatever. they need to cultivate an identity so everyone recognizes them. for that tripfag, posting is pointless unless its building up their ego, there fore posting anonymously is not an option unless they are samefaging or posting about things they dont want to be associated with

that post is the perfect example, he shared the picture, he shared his link, but he HAD to delete it and re post it with his tripcode, otherwise whats the point? to one will recognize him and say hey thats the guy who posted the cute picture or the cool music video! anonymous validation of the content isnt enough for him, he HAS to know that other people know its him posting the content

>>19290723
get well fren.

also I think its worth noting that /lit/ is ESPECIALLY bad for tripfags because of the allure of being associated with literature, being perceived cultured and intelligent etc. why post about a book anonymously when you can scream from the top of the mountain "LOOK AT ME EVERYONE I READ BOOKS"

>>19290914
They dont want to read and discuss literature, they want CREDIT for having read or being associated with literature. reading, or the perception of having read, is an investment for some sort of petty social capital that makes them feel better than they are

There is literally no downside to being recognizable unless you fear being held accountable for your writing.

I do have a need for validation, namely to ability to validate that the person I'm speaking with has demonstrated some form of expertise on the subject. This also works very well for people like butterfly, who have no expertise, because I know immediately that I can ignore everything they are saying.

>>19290914
The board quality would greatly improve if all tripfags were banned.

>>19290363
Western animation is worse.

>>19290926
God forbid any tripfag get mistaken for having any form of expertise.
They're all pseuds.

>>19290926
The content of the post should be enough to demonstrate expertise. Names are for attention whores.

>>19290926
just like your actions show that i can i know immediately that literally anything you say is an excuse to divert attention away from the sheer desperation that is required to do what you do. you can come up with any quippy comeback you can think of against me, but it wont change the fact that you will still be branded as that guy who is really desperate for social media validation, who NEEDS credit for is action, who cant enjoy a thing for its own sake, while ill fade into obscurity and my posts will stand alone based on their own merit or lack thereof, no one will ever pat me on the back or remember me for shitting on you faggots, no one will ever give me credit, and its not needed, because the thing is worth it for its own sake, and that simple capacity of enjoying the thing for its own sake is all the validation i need, all i will ever need to know that I am better than you

>>19290955
>The content of the post should be enough to demonstrate expertise.

This is almost too ridiculous for words. I could come in here tomorrow telling you a Deleuzian interpretation of Nietzsche and come in the next day talking about him as though I were Nehamas, and you wouldn't know the difference.

What you are basically saying is some pseud bullshit like: "posts should use big words and be long". Which is laughable. I saw some anon write an introductory paragraph on the "hard problem" of consciousness the other day and he somehow skipped basic points like behaviouralism and eliminativism and dumb shits like you were replying "great post" "screencapped for later", etc.

>>19290987
how exactly does you being a tripfag fit into this equation? people thought a bad post was good, therefore I NEED TO TRIPFAG!!

>>19290987
>once called out, tripfag copes with as many strawmans and ad hominems as possible
Those retards that you speak of wouldn't be able to determine if tripfag content was good either. This is a dumb point.

I plan to neet until april. at this point I will slowly begin to integrate regular panic, but no sooner.

>>19290926
>namely to ability to validate that the person I'm speaking with has demonstrated some form of expertise on the subject

Are you looking for an expert in mental gymnastics or something?

>while ill fade into obscurity and my posts will stand alone based on their own merit or lack thereof, no one will ever pat me on the back or remember me blah blah blah

Le epic anon forgotten hero le single manly tear

And this barely coherent idea of posting for its own sake, you validate posts by how much you enjoy them or something idiotic like that, good for you man.

>ad hominem
It's not a logical fallacy to call someone a retard
>straw man
Lay em out then or stop crying, retard

>>19290723
you'll get surgery and it will get well.

>>19290867
everything is worth something in the end.
>"Say: "Unto whom belongs all that is in the heavens and on earth?" Say: "Unto God, who has willed upon Himself the law of grace and mercy."
Quran 6:12

Everything exists only for the sake of love, and is measured only against love. Everything matters.

>>19291022
i should have known reading and discussing literature for the sake of enjoying reading and discussing literature would be a completely foreign concept to you

>>19290723
also do not mix oxy and alcohol anon. don't do it.

>>19291022
Your main argument for tripfaggery was that retarded anons are unable to determine good posts so people "recognised with expertise" should tripfag to highlight good content.

I refuted your dumb argument by saying that retarded anons wouldn't be able to recognise good content in the first place to assign expertise to a tripfag, not to mention many tripfags are retarded as well. As such, people taking up a tripcode does not add to valuable conversation.

Here's your strawman:
>What you are basically saying is some pseud bullshit like: "posts should use big words and be long".

Are you done with your sophistry now? Oh wait, you're using a tripcode. Nevermind.

tripfagging is a disaster. please stop all of you. why does 4channel even allow tripfagging, anonymity is the whole point
>inb4 butters says xe was sad to found out who xe was under anonymity
nigga I don't care. Why the fuck do I know this about you

>>19291058
>whole point of 4chan was trolling anonymously
>users troll 4chan by forcing names upon it

>>19291054
you tell 'em anon

>>19291032
>>19291058
>>19291054
>>19291035
dont even JOKE, he comes to 4chan.org because hes a SERIOUS INTELLECTUAL and he NEEDS you to now this, so he HAS to be an obnoxious tripfag. WHAT DID YOU SAY? "enjoying reading and discussing literature?" what are you, some kind of GAY FAGGOT PLEBEIAN? Heh, I bet you dont even have 10 thousand upvote on your reddit account!

>>19291032
>reading and discussing literature for the sake of enjoying reading and discussing literature

Yeah man you just read words or talk about reading words and your mind just explodes in pleasure, doesn't it. Because that's how reading for the sake of enjoying reading works amirite.

Grow up and stop hiding the inefficiency with which you study something or engage in an activity as doing it "for its own sake".

I read literature because I get pleasure out of good writing. I discuss literature because I want to learn more about good writing, which helps me enjoy it more. It is almost impossible to consistently learn and develop well through discussions with people who have no recognizably consistent stance, views, etc.

>>19291054
>retarded anons
Where did I specifically discuss these people? As opposed to you specifically focusing on them to make your point, which doesn't apply when you consider that not everyone is retarded and would be better capable of discerning good content from bad with the aid of individual identities, not even on the level of expertise but just in terms of the quality of normal posting.

>What you are basically saying is some pseud bullshit like: "posts should use big words and be long".
Would you like to show me how what you're saying doesn't effectively reduce to this?
>

>>19291110
In your OWN example, you attributed the main frustration that necessitates tripfaggery to:
>dumb shits like you were replying "great post" "screencapped for later", etc.
I.e. dumb anons giving kudos to a bad post
Thus, I framed the argument around this because that is how YOU presented it.
Stop moving goal posts.

>>19291110
oh yes its impossible to enjoy discourse regarding something you are passionate about, and its TRULY abhorrent to have a conversation with someone unless you can immediately dismiss them out of hand instead of sharing ideas and judging content. too INEFFICIENT for an intellectual such as yourself.

holy hell dude if you arent trolling me then you have to be the most autistic faggot ive encountered on the website, if you are trolling then nice one lmao. tripfags are always so majorly fucked in one way or another, thank you for sharing your flavour of deranged with us tonight

>>19291135
>Thus, I framed the argument around this because that is how YOU presented it.

What are you talking about? I didn't even present an argument there, just an anecdote from my experience. Now link to where I argued, as in an ARGUMENT, that we need tripcode so retards can better recognize quality content. Make it snappy.

Yeah man, we should all not be recognizable and be capable of maintaining a conversation with consistent perspectives because you love to shitpost, and it's totally about bring able to dismiss a post when you see a name that's totally it.

Have a good seethe, you and the other guy desperately putting words in my mouth, I'll be back in a couple of hours.

>>19291146
Do you ever get tired of trying to weasel your way out of arguments because you're retarded?

In this instance, you suggest that my claim:
>The content of the post should be enough to demonstrate expertise.
is "too ridiculous for words". I.e. my claim is wrong. THAT is your argument.

You then substantiated this by using 2 examples. One hypothetical and the other your anecdote. Both your examples rely on anons being uneducated on the topic or dumb.

Thus, using your own criterion, I gave a perfectly adequate refutation, which you haven't been able to counter. Instead, you pretend to have not said things like a weasel.

>>19291172
why do you come here instead of the thousand other communities that provide the exact experience you are longing for? your excuse doesnt make a lick of sense given that YOURE the one tripfagging, not everyone else

also how am i putting words in your mouth, you literally said you want people to have usernames so you can confirm or deny that they have valid expertise ont he subject at a glance, those are YOUR words

>>19291110
please just fuck off

>>19291193
You have destroyed him but you are wasting your time, fren.

>>19291193
>is "too ridiculous for words". I.e. my claim is wrong. THAT is your argument.
That's not an argument, I never gave you an argument, I've given you, as you say, an anecdote of my experience, and a hypothetical example, you constructed them into your own argument. I tell people they're full of shit all of time, I don't have to have an argument just to say that.

You've been trying to force an argument on me for the last 30 minutes and keep claiming I'm weaseling my way out of one, I haven't even made one yet. You can look forward to that in the evening after you politely ask me to state my argument as opposed to jumping on everything I say.

>>19291214
>>19291172
anyway i have to go to bed so when you inevitably reply to my post denying you said that, here >>19290926
>I do have a need for validation, namely to ability to validate that the person I'm speaking with has demonstrated some form of expertise on the subject. This also works very well for people like butterfly, who have no expertise, because I know immediately that I can ignore everything they are saying.

also i just want to say, if you are trolling, your statement:
>Yeah man you just read words or talk about reading words and your mind just explodes in pleasure, doesn't it. Because that's how reading for the sake of enjoying reading works amirite.
is probably the most genius comically autistic thing ive ever read. 10/10, good night

>>19291241
>if I pretend I didn't state an opinion then I'll never lose an argument

>>19291255
Stating an opinion isn't an argument Jesus Christ

>>19291254
>>19291254
>he said it once so it applies to everyone and everything he said, not a specific thing, that's entirely what it's about

Ok man whatever you say nighty night

It's really just one thing after another isn't it. The older I get the more frequent the stresses. Mind you, it's never anything catastrophic fortunately, but as soon as one stress ends another one replaces it. This is being an adult isn't it. Annoying.

Feels like having a social circle is akin to belonging to a secret society for me at this point. Like a Jew trying to gain entrance to a WASP country club.

>The content of the post should be enough to demonstrate expertise.

This is ridiculous because expertise, understood as great learning relative to context, cannot in the first place be exhibited in a singular post, it is a property exhibited by a person consistently over time. Words do not "have" expertise, posts do not "have" expertise, people do. When you ascribe expertise to textual content you are effectively ascribing expertise to the person who wrote it, because it would be nonsensical to say that a word, paragraph, post, etc, has great learning.

And people exhibit their expertise through things like posts consistently over time. A person might post something very knowledge on a subject one day then something incredibly stupid the next, no-one would say that person has expertise. We say that a person has expertise when they consistently show their great learning. We cannot reliably ascribe said expertise to said person without being able to identify them. In order to do this we need a means of identification. A tripcode is a sufficient but not necessary means of identification, other possible forms of identification would be sufficient, and if not as efficient, then functionally equivalent (e.g. timestamps).

a fucking tangerine man god damn

Now, as to this equally ridiculous counterargument to an imaginary made-up argument you projected onto me that dumb people can't discern expertise in the first place:

Sure, dumb people can't discern expertise, but other people can. I was already kind enough to cursorily address this without even needing to:

>when you consider that not everyone is retarded and would be better capable of discerning good content from bad with the aid of individual identities, not even on the level of expertise but just in terms of the quality of normal posting.

You didn't respond to this because you're a piece of shit who is too busy doing your own weaseling by insisting I have a strawman argument that we need tripcodes so retards know good posts from bad posts. All this from me making fun of dumb anons who read long posts with big words.

Learn how to fucking argue, don't extrapolate arguments and don't put words in someone's mouth and then get butthurt when they turn around and point out those words were never actually said.

fuck covid snitches and fuck jannies

>>19291396
>>19291507
tl;dr

>>19290601
Obviously both, why would it only be about male homosexuality?

can someone explain to me why this dude needs a six volume biography? literally never heard of him before

>>19291886
a lot happens in a life anon

I feel a desire to cry yet I don't feel the emotion necessary to do it.

A big mistake is thinking happiness-or its pursuit- is a puzzle to be solved, or rather, happiness is unhappiness that one thinks out. Any thought one thinks while unhappy is tainted by it, is a continuation of it, a deepening of sorrow. In reality happiness is an experience that can only be obtained by living as one should according to one's bents and constitution. You can never know from where exactly it will come from, or how, or when, because happiness, misery, is not something you create or possess, it is something you are a part of and participate in. You participate in the happiness of others and it becomes yours. Suffering is solitary, it is truly your creation. Happiness--like anything noble in humanity--is bigger and broader than oneself.

>>19291966
>happiness, *unlike misery,
What an unhappy typo

"You been tellin' me you're a genius
Since you were seventeen
In all the time I've known you
I still don't know what you mean
The weekend at the college
Didn't turn out like you planned
The things that pass for knowledge
I can't understand"

>>19291966
Happiness-pilled

Character Monologue:

Pervading what we call reality is a deep fabric of existence. A comprehensive potential that words cannot describe, but from which words spring forth. Some call it God, some call it the multiverse, what it truly is we cannot say, nor do we have the faculties to comprehend it even if we wanted to.

It’s this embedded potential that gives way to consciousness, sunsets, love, family, grief, and everything we know. The intangible nature of the source of these things is precisely why a human can observe a colorful sky at dawn and in that brief moment live a full and complete life.

>>19292057
how did you come to this conclusion if I may ask?

>>19292057
It's purposely pseudy because I don't have a well thought ideology regarding it.

However, it's mainly inspired by Bohm's conception of the implicate order and my own experiences with hellish anxiety and insomnia and the subsequent derealization and introspection associated with it. I think everyone occasionally has lived experiences that are so powerful that it seems impossible that everything can be explained by atoms and evolution; there's just a vague feeling that there's something deeper and more important which is likely where religion springs from. I'm not taking a position on the nature of things, just describing a general feeling.

I do want build a fictional alternate reality that a character explores based around this concept, but I'm so far away from having a coherent idea for a story that maybe I should focus on something easier for now.

>>19292196
Meant for you >>19292136

>>19292196
>>19292204
as someone who has read a lot of religious mysticism: it is convincing. I have not read Bohm at all, though I've heard the name. The thing of it is, I think, that it can not be known. I know Muhammad has said that the height of intelect is not contempating what God is.

I hate my job so much but I have no alternatives and little savings.

I want books I can read in between sets while weightlifting. recommend me some books. bonus points if they are short/thematic

I read sun and steel in one sitting in between sets, it is pretty good larp.

>>19290270
It is, best they can do is Evangelion and that’s just Gravity’s Rainbow and Catcher in the Rye for retards

>>19292463
I love Attack on Titan

>>19290259
Nigger

One must imagine Sisyphus completely zooted off of amphetamines and antidepressants

>>19292498
College kids’d buy that tshirt.

What the hell should I do for work? I don’t want to keep doing the work in the field I’ve been doing but I can get out of my parent’s house if I do it somewhere else.

>>19290723
>tradesbros tell me i'm gay for doing office work
>tell them my family were all blue collar and crippled by 40 from it
>tradesbros laugh at me
>now
>>19291886
is he a member of the tribe?

I'm mentally checking out. When I'm served the usual shit I used to get angry about I just want to turn it off. Maybe I'm just getting old or I have resigned that I can't change a thing.
I'm going through a scary path of absolute self-fulfillment that will probably get me into dark places or a premature death. I'm genuinely sick of the world. Even the way I browse this place has changed, sometimes I just hit a thread and say a thing then forget about it. I've stopped investing any energy in anything.

>>19290259
I've been very stagnant. I don't even know if this is necessarily a bad thing, but I think I am just realising that this is the life I chose for myself. I really don't like being around people and I think I am finally realising that I can't have my cake and eat it too. I can't be involved with the people around me and have peace and I can't be alone and have outside validation. The FOMO hits me sometimes, but everytime I do try to connect with others, it doesn't pay off. I don't know if the type of connection I am looking for is possible. I generally don't get involved with others when possible anymore and maybe that's alright.

When I'm alone I try to fill my days with activities, but I don't particularly enjoy any of them and don't really feel like pursuing hobbies or joining clubs. Have I just become jaded? I in all honesty don't see the value in most activities. I wish I felt motivated or had a goal, but I really don't. I just go to school because I have to do something at least.

im looking for a quote, its essence is something like "youve failed to learn anything from history if you don't empathize with the [nazis, etc]", by like maybe adorno or something, but i cant find it

I failed English Lit, now I'm here reading Homer, Joyce, McCarthy and Dostoevsky. Life.

I feel pathetic and immature.

27y/o here AMA

>>19292902
what is your favorite Bill Murray movie

Even if good things were to happen to me I don't have the mental infrastructure to appreciate or engage with them anymore.

>>19292915
caddyshack

>>19292680
I never worked in trades but if my pain makes you happy and justifies your career choices so be it. If the pain doesn't go away. I'm going to harm a lot of people and then myself and I know that most people look down at me just as you have so I won't feel bad about it.

>>19292923
good choice

>>19290259
MANY MEN
WISH DEAFF UPON ME
BLOOD IN MAH EYE DAWG AND I CANT SEE

All the Muslim girls on campus wear skin-tight clothing, like they are vacuum sealed into them. They might cover their hair but they are the most provocatively dressed.

>>19293051
Women are the canary in the coalmine for degeneracy. If you can't keep your woman in line, it's a sign your community's whole ship is leaky. Women also let in the first drops of degeneracy that build up the pressure on the other parts that aren't leaky yet and eventually burst them too.

Read a post recently about how all the rightwing fascination with eastern Europe is misplaced and the surest sign is the women. The women are "ahead of the curve" as cosmopolitan urban liberals compared to their male counterparst, that is, frivolous whores. They might as well be living in London or Los Angeles and you can tell they crave for Prague and Bucharest to become London or Los Angeles as soon as possible.

Same thing with Muslims. They were mentally much stronger because of their inbreeding and ghettoization but even their communities are starting to show the first signs of implosion.

>>19292918
Same. I come off as totally lifeless. I don’t want to be that way. I want to be full of vitality, a joker, a storyteller, a get up and go getter, but I’m just so goddamn miserable. It’s like there’s no spark at all. I’m just going through the motions.

I hate myself.

>>19293077
Is there anywhere in the world where women willingly buy into the plan, and don't end up dismantling it or being forced into obeying? China maybe?

>>19291281
>ugh how dare you directly quote the reasoning I gave and imply it was my reasoning
lol

>>19293311

>>19293077
>DeGEnERacY

Hahaha I really do share this thread with a bunch of hopeless seething fags. But it is my territory

How do I start running if I live in a city and there's asphalt everywhere? Do I just put plenty of money into good quality shoes for hard surfaces?

>>19293077
>Same thing with Muslims. They were mentally much stronger because of their inbreeding and ghettoization but even their communities are starting to show the first signs of implosion.
Islam will soon be weakened by degeneracy and implode? Damn sounds good!

How do i force myself to like social interactions more? I always find them exhausting and/or painful but i need to be more social to get ahead in my life. Im a diagnosed schizoid btw, not an autist.

I've been running posts through this algorithm
https://www.writingtoiq.com/
and I'm surprised that most posts are average IQ.
(I made a thread about this as well)

>>19293470
Low IQ post

>>19293466
Getting ahead in life is overrated.

>>19292479
Even after the ending?

>>19293486
The only thing i really enjoy is my work, and unfortunately i need to be more social to be successful there, even in my STEM related job.

>>19293498
people...enjoy...work? wtf
you can do my job for me too if you like work so much

>>19293518
No i dont enjoy 'work', i enjoy this very niche type of work and im really good at it. I'd unironically do it for free as a hobby if i didn't get paid for it.

>>19293527
What is it

>>19293466
When I felt like this it was because I was treating socialization like an emergency, like if people were talking to me then something must have gone horribly wrong and I needed to get myself out of there before embarrassing myself.

What worked for me was turning socialization in to a game. Go in to situations with objectives other than "Don't Lose Face". The outcomes can even be negative, like if you are in a superficial situation with people you will never meet again it can be fun to purposefully embarrass yourself, or try to get everyone to hate you and leave. Socialization is completely superficial, so stop treating it with importance and you will unironically be better at it.

>>19293535
Data-analysis in bioinformatics and systems biology.
Again, i must stress, not autistic

>>19293546
Sounds cool, the smartest person I've ever known was my bioinformatics professor in college. He was a shit teacher and clearly only there so they could fund his research, but man was a genius.

>>19290259
Holy fuck i just made a Hinge profile and the girls on this app are basic beyond imagining. Where are the arthoes man, what app do they use

>>19293574
hating work is midwit

>>19293545
Not him but I agree with this, however I still despise normies. A lot of the burden was lifted from me once I just stopped caring. Age probably helped, since as I got older I just stopped giving a fuck about a lot of dumb shit. But I think a lot of it came from separating my problems with normies into categories, so I could deal with the categories separately.

The main category of pain from social encounters for me is that I reflexively see most normies as borderline animals, very cruel and thoughtless, but also tediously selfish, tedious because it's disgusting to me (not sure why) to see something so uninteresting and selfish also be so self-obsessed. I don't mind that animals have a baseline instinct of self-interest, because they're animals, and everything about them seems "fitted" to their needs. But I think Hesse in Steppenwolf says that humans are the one creature that can fail at being what it is. Normies seem like failures at what they are, to me. So that disgusts me. There's not much I can do about that. When I see someone darting from thought to thought to thought, like I can almost see the "1+1=2, therefore I should screw my good friend over just this once because I really REALLY want a pizza, and that second 'really' justifies it, just this once, I swear!" thoughts behind his eyes, the weird psychopath status hierarchy games they play with eachother, the weird way they don't notice they're doing this and can maintain hollow relations for years, I just feel visceral sadness and disgust.

But the other category of normie hate was that I cared about them judging me, I still had faith in them, I still wanted things from them. Once the former was separated from this one, although I couldn't do much about the former, I could critique this one and work on it.

Then once that was done, I was able to turn around and find better ways to contain and channel my baseline disdain for them. Now I've cultivated a lot of other voices, like compassion, seeing them as children of bad parents, seeing their animal behaviors as tragic rather than as their fault, and above all, seeing it as the duty of people who do notice these things to keep the flame alive and spread it to more people and eventually awaken all normies. Even if that won't be in my lifetime.

I am still probably flirting with psychosis by seeing them as borderline animals. Capgras delusion is one of the first and worst full schizo symptoms. But the alternative was to keep letting them mog me and eachother and perpetually gaslighting myself that I must have misunderstood or I must be unduly cynical or something. I really do think today's crop of normies is peculiarly awful. I can't unsee that. But I can at least check the tendency of that sort of thinking to become hateful and crazy.

>>19293587
For apps unironically on Tumblr. Back when I used it I just ran a basic blog that was a mix of generic "haha I'm depressed haha" tumblr humour and edgy aesthetics and they would message me first.

IRL go to art school exhibitions and get involved in the local scene.

>>19293595
WOW! You are so special

>>19293587
Art hoes are the most basic girls there are man

It's difficult to admit this but I have an extremely antisocial component to my personality. I get great enjoyment from joining a video game match and ruining it for everybody else, by blocking entrances, killing teammates and similar things. I like to tell jokes that make no sense and leave the room confused, giving short, sarcastic responses instead of being genuine. On imageboards I like to give inflammatory and obviously incorrect responses to get lots of replies. I find it funny and amusing, even though I don't want to. Sometimes I think it stems from my feeling of insignificance, such activities being a form of attention seeking behavior.
Do you think it's pathological? A lot of deep thinkers that I look up to also had a mischievous side to them, they liked playing pranks on others, but I fear that for me it's more than that. That said, I don't feel any hatred towards the people I abuse, nor do I feel any explicit self-hate.
Does anyone else feel the same way?

Hipster type girls are cute

>>19293595
Stupid schizophrenic bitch thinks he's better than everyone else
You should be lobotomised

>>19293604
only one art hoe gave me her number in my life and i didn't call idk why she was hot and catholic but not nuttily so, looked like that chick from the first indiana jones with the bar in tibet or wherever. i guess it's self-sabotage or something.

>>19293625
can't tell if this image is ironic or not. by no means should bush be considered "healthy conservatism" lol

in response to your text, read more books so you spend less time doing insignificant actions towards others

Man, this webm that was just deleted here was brutal. Some young indian boy being squashed to death by an elevator. Shit ain't even funny anymore. I can't really deal with the fact that this could've been me. Being some nameless kid in the 3rd world whose meaning lies within eating dust for dinner and being obedient to authorities that would slaughter you for whatever reason they can come up with, living a life that's not worth anything to anyone. Instead I was lucky enough to be one out of billions of sperm cells that managed to get born in the global west. It's just too absurd and inexplicable to comprehend. I cannot help but feel for these people even though I can't identify with them at all and don't want anything to do with them. Does this go away as you grow older? Please say yes.

>>19293628
>>19293610
For example it doesn't upset me that you rebuked me, I could handle a rebuke, it disgusts me that your rebuke is shallow.

I reflexively feel like, if I were you, I would know that anyone putting effort into articulating their views, no matter what they are, is at least trying to be understood, therefore even if they fail or they articulate something ugly, the proper response is always more and better articulations and understanding. This isn't even primarily a moral conviction, it's more that I assume a child would understand this, even a self-interested child. If you really don't care about mutual understanding with an anonymous stranger articulating something you don't like, the only reasonable move is not to reply at all. If you do care, the only reasonable move is to try to understand him and then make him understand his own shortcomings. You can't be both making a moral rebuke and not putting effort into it at the same time. Moral actions only make sense if they are actions requiring effort above and beyond self-interest. That's the definition of moral as opposed to mundane and amoral action.

The fact that you don't know this isn't a moral condemnation itself, like I said, it just makes me wince that you don't understand this. Like watching a 30 year old try to put a square block in a round hole three times before trying a different hole. What could possibly explain a conscious adult human being not understanding this? Even if you are self-interested, you'd still understand it, even efficient self-interest would require this basic understanding.

>>19293625
didn't your dad teach you about good attention and bad attention?

>>19293611
More basic than this?

>>19293644
Hey on the bright side, he now has a chance to reincarnate as something other than a pajeet

>>19293650
are you interesting enough to be mocking her? you don't deserve better. hell you dont even deserve a basic bitch.

I dotn wanna make a new thread about this, but does anyone know any good intelligence books or books on infiltrating and subverting an organization? Think of what the Church of Scientology did with the US government

>>19293650
Worse, at least that girl is honestly a blank slate who just 'likes to have fun'

Imagine that girl but she's convinced and highly invested in the idea that she's special and deserves to fuck young Zizeks. All the same basicness and entitlement but without the self-awareness to own it. They also serially lie about being into the interests they use as fashion accessories.

>>19292270
i've never heard of this saying before. could you point me towards its source?

>>19293644
dude, get over yourself, people get killed by elevators in nyc every year.

>>19293644
Yes most of us are lucky being born in the west. The West is the best.

>>19291365
Stress is a product of adversity and capacity. The stronger you become, mentally or physically or interpersonally, the more capacity you have to deal with the ambient adversities and stressors of life. Unfortunately, many of the more fortunate people in the world today are not taught to promote their personal strength. In fact, they're specifically taught to be weak, mostly by accident but sometimes maliciously, by being sat in front of a TV from infancy and given low-quality food and inculcating nihilistic imagery and narratives etc. etc. Training the self to better absorb stress is, at this point, well against the modern orthodoxy, and introduces the new stressors of ostracization and dehumanization. As a value proposition, though, it still pays for itself during a life.

Good luck, anon.

>>19290460
puts the tic in the tok

>>19293682
>implying you would still be you if born somewhere else

>>19293662
I'm plenty interesting, possess talents, and I want someone to talk about interesting things with. Maybe you take it as mocking but these kinds of people are the antithesis of what I want in a partner and it frustrates me that I can't find anyone at the moment. Just venting my frustration, indulging this side of me with the comfort of anonymity... deep down yes yes I'm a coping fag but I know I can do better than a basic bitch and I'm better than most people so it's alright. I'll work it out.

>>19293687
I'm not implying anything

>>19293664
Well any subculture will have its share of posers. But at least with arthoes you'll at least be in circles with people who are creative and think divergently (but i suppose buying to that culture is being an NPC in its own right). I just want a girl to talk about books with man, who is smarter and more talented than me.

>>19293629
I have this weird thing going on where all that matters is the abstract recognition. Like I don't even care about having sex with a girl, but I care that she wants to have sex with me, or go on a date. All I want is the recognition and validation, the physical act means nothing to me.

>>19293694
you can't do better you faggot. girls dont care about your gayming computer and video games aren't a hobby. you're on 4chan for fuck's sake, have some self awareness. that girl wouldn't even reply to you if you messaged her.

>>19293699
It's only possible to be lucky that X happened, if it were possible for something other than X to happen to you. Since by being born in a different country your identity would be completely different, it makes no sense to say that you're lucky to be born in the West.

>>19293742
Depends if you believe in a soul or not.

>>19293712
Well just be prepared for the disappointment when the illusion breaks and you realize even the one who seems like an exception to the rule was lying about 80% of what she's into, and half assing 20% of the rest.

There's nothing wrong with wanting a girl you can read books with, but the rate of genuine investment to fake investment with women is really high, especially since the fakes have no self-awareness or shame and haven't been ridiculed for faking. Part of why men have fewer fakes is that we police and shame faking, we even have different sub-kinds of fakery like dilettantism and poseurism and halfassism. Women don't have a running dialogue with each other to spot and exclude fakes and halfasses by default. They are inclusive by default and also they derive more happiness in life from simple inclusion, not hierarchical competition like men have, so they have less innate ambition to force themselves to read some difficult shit that isn't immediately fun to read.

You can be realistic about this without being misogynistic, exceptions do exist. I am only saying, looking for them among art hoes may be setting yourself up for disappointment.

>>19293715
I had this and it took a long time to go away. I am still glad I got laid I guess, having the experience and being able to say I did, but objectively it was all a waste of time and I didn't enjoy it. I now kick myself about how much time I wasted on girls.

However, some of the meaningless experiences also made me better prepared to appreciate the meaningful ones when they did appear.

>>19292689
sometimes i have to take stimulants just to read a thread. we're fucked

>>19292902
wanna kiss?

>>19293489
Well, it hasn’t been animated yet but for the manga, yes.

>>19293721
Lmfao stop it with the projection buddy. Regarding games, you're not completely wrong, as they have taken up a chunk of my time lately, but I chucked my mouse a few days ago to curb that habit. I make music for games, graphic art, and play the piano at a decent level. I'm not very good at writing since I've only started out, but I read widely and know I have potential as a writer. You may recoil at my vanity or self-belief but what I say is true—I am interesting but fail to find others that are as well. Part of this comes down to how secluded I am, and part of this is because I can't communicate these aspects of my life in a way that doesn't feel like egomania.

I think I would love my life if I weren't afraid of people. But instead I have a crippling fear of others and spend every second in an anxious nightmare.

> want to pick a writer to emulate
> all of my favorite writers wrote before the 19th century

>>19293793
Just take what you can and dispense with the rest.

>>19293674
I heard it from this series of videos. I don't know which.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcGfoNVZwgA

>>19293674
>>19293810
I listened to 5 or 6 videos around may this year

I just don't care about women anymore.

>>19293587
Where do you live? All the art hoes I find live in smaller nearby cities with popular art schools

how do i pick a career path i can live with? the corporate desk job lifestyle sucks.

>>19293674
I got it from here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOKt_B38y1I
start from 15:35. it is at around 17:35
It turns out it is from a meeting with the Prophet, saws, in a dream. I did not remember the dream-part. Astaghfirullah.
>>19292270

God knows best, I should have added that but sometimes I feel these things alienate non-muslims.

>>19293854
New Brunswick

>>19293809
Well, pretty much all of it is applicable to the 17th century, not so much the 21st.

>>19293855
I think anything non-corporate non-office might suffice.

>>19293861
I say astaghfirullah because it should be mentioned in case someone does not believe in these meetings. however, I remember now and googled

>An authentic Hadith reported by Abu Qatadah quotes the Prophet as saying: “Whoever sees me in a dream actually sees me in truth.” (Related by Al-Bukhari and Muslim.)
https://www.arabnews.com/node/307595

In reflection, I am left in awe of how badly the Boomers managed to screw up. No matter your political leaning, you can find so much they deserve blame for. I don't think there has been a group which collectively squandered away as much as the boomers did.

Lately, I started to figure out why I'm such a depressed, cynical fag. I'd be down in the dumps wishing for death, and after a random phone call from my sister (she is small and cute) would wipe all that away and I wouldn't fathom how did I ever get so depressed.

I started noticing that there are things that would get me ecstatic for no reason that I can think of, like after cleaning my living room a few days ago which has been a mess for a while. Or just looking at cozy images from /wg/.

On the other hand, I can get so sad over the smallest thing, like one broken street lamp, or a homeless guy on the street.

So, I've been thinking that I might turn my life around just by setting my environment in a way that I can't be unhappy. Idk, does anyone relate to that at all?

>>19293988
You sound like a soft ass dude, join the military.

>>19293988
Have you ever heard of HSPs, highly sensitive people? Sounds like goofy self help, and I mean it is, but I believe it. Or rather I believe what it's ultimately getting at, which is that some people like you have very different constitutions from some of your neighbors, and modern psychiatric schemes are crass materialistic reductions of this that often do more harm than good.

I recommend reading Varieties of Religious Experience, especially the chapters on the once born and twice born souls, and the sick soul and healthy soul. Not to take everything it says for granted but to reflect on just how different some types of people are.

I think that sounds like a good idea except I have one recommendation. Don't turn it into a "technology." View this heightened sensitivity of yours as a blessing and a curse that must have explanations deeper in your soul, not as a single, isolated quirk in an otherwise ordinary brain. The same thing that makes you so sensitive probably manifests in innumerable other ways in your inner and outer life. You probably will never fully understand it, but by developing and cultivating it you can come to "know" it.

If you do the opposite, and think of yourself as just like everybody else except you also have this strange extra quirk, you may be able to "game" it here and there, but there may be parts of it that you block off or cause some spark to go out somewhere without even realizing. In short, I would take what you've learned about yourself as a sign of inner depths, depths you can partially but perhaps never fully explore (in this lifetime at least), and not as a single "fact" about your otherwise visible self.

>>19293873
what else is out there anon? we live in a bloated bureaucratic society

>>19293988
Absolutely. I’m glad to know I’m not the only one. I had also come to the conclusion that setting my environment in order would prevent it but haven’t tried it out yet

Some of y'all need to toughen up. The world is a harsh place, it won't soften to your level.

ive written some books, but apparently self-promotion is frowned upon everywhere. Additionally, its frowned upon to ask favors of other, more successful,l people you know to help get the word out about your book.

>>19294148
I wish I could tell you but that much does seem obvious doesn’t it? As for me, I work in bureaucracy as basically a civil servant. It’s better than corporate but it still sucks.

>>19294165
that's a strange sentiment
assuming it's just a soft ass coping mechanism for them, isn't that better than believing that the world is a harsh place that they'll never toughen up to and kill themselves in the end?

>>19294165
How about i toughen you up, faggot?

>>19294190
You wouldn't dare, I'm twice the man you are and I bet your muscles aren't even as big or as oily as mine.

>>19293648
Yes you are very smart

>>19294179
If tiny things send you into a emotional roller-coaster, you probably end up killing yourself. If you toughen up then you will be able to handle environments that you aren't used to, if not you're just going to be locked away in a controlled space with no opportunity. That's why I suggest joining the army because it does toughen people up.

Interpersonal relationships is a zero sum game. Prove me wrong: I take time away from one person each time i talk to them. It is a constant process of taking and losing. Just some are better at it than others, for reasons that I can't fathom.

>>19294190
No

>>19294209
i have no friends. I used to, but then i got married and had kids and married people with kids are boring as fuck. Who wants to waste time trying to be friends with people that deal with the exact same shit you do and have all the exact same stories?

I'd rather have no friends and chat with random internet strangers than be friends with other married adults.

I was thinking about how disgusting it is to look back on my videogame heavy days and see things like 2.5k hours in dota2, and it gave me a terrible thought; I wonder how many hours i would have in 4chan if there was a way to know. 20k? 50k? 100k? god knows. ive been here for 13 years and the longer ive been here the more time ive spent doing nothing but being here, nowadays i often spend 10 hours a day here

>>19290460
I would like to believe that those even semi-interested in psychology or related fields would know of the influence culture and society have in the development of mental disorders. I think it is a wide known fact that a person's surroundings impact his mental health and. Just look at history and how the ways of expressing psychological conditions changed over time.

From "The Americanization of Mental Illness" in NYT https://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/10/magazine/10psyche-t.html :
>“We might think of the culture as possessing a ‘symptom repertoire’ — a range of physical symptoms available to the unconscious mind for the physical expression of psychological conflict... In some epochs, convulsions, the sudden inability to speak or terrible leg pain may loom prominently in the repertoire. In other epochs patients may draw chiefly upon such symptoms as abdominal pain, false estimates of body weight and enervating weakness as metaphors for conveying psychic stress.”

The symptoms doctors viewed as legitimate differed from one area to another. The ‘symptom repertoire’ was local. But this is no longer the case. The sudden rise of anorexia in Hong Kong is a great example of how cultural trends influence the expression of psychological conditions -- of how a model of expression specific to the West was introduced and then quickly adopted into the symptom repertoire of Hong Kong teenagers.

>"Dr. Sing Lee, a psychiatrist and researcher at the Chinese University of Hong Kong, watched the Westernization of a mental illness firsthand. In the late 1980s and early 1990s, he was busy documenting a rare and culturally specific form of anorexia nervosa in Hong Kong. Unlike American anorexics, most of his patients did not intentionally diet nor did they express a fear of becoming fat. The complaints of Lee’s patients were typically somatic — they complained most frequently of having bloated stomachs. Lee was trying to understand this indigenous form of anorexia and, at the same time, figure out why the disease remained so rare."
>"As he was in the midst of publishing his finding that food refusal had a particular expression and meaning in Hong Kong, the public’s understanding of anorexia suddenly shifted. On Nov. 24, 1994, a teenage anorexic girl named Charlene Hsu Chi-Ying collapsed and died on a busy downtown street in Hong Kong. The death caught the attention of the media and was featured prominently in local papers."
>"In trying to explain what happened to Charlene, local reporters often simply copied out of American diagnostic manuals. The mental-health experts quoted in the Hong Kong papers and magazines confidently reported that anorexia in Hong Kong was the same disorder that appeared in the United States and Europe. In the wake of Charlene’s death, the transfer of knowledge about the nature of anorexia (including how and why it was manifested and who was at risk) went only one way: from West to East."

>>19294240
At least your getting dialogue out of 4chan. I used to play WoW, spent so much time on that game that I could have a PhD in Nuclear Physics with the time wasted.

I’m too old to have a television/movie character I want to emulate.

And yet…

>>19294200
these emotional roller coasters are all internal and I usually endure them and go on with my life, I doubt the military can change anything about that. It's just that I don't want to feel like shit all the time.

>>19294236
im in my fucking early 20's dude and i cant fathom how i have to play this fucking role in society to have some fucking human connection

>>19294262
You care too much, let your thoughts control you. Why do you feel like shit?

>>19290353
How is he effeminate? He's adorned in riches. He has a masculine face. He's a warlord. You will never be that much of a chad. Fucking dumb ass

>>19290928
Western animation died in the 1960s. You're referring to jewnimation.

>>19294240
i used to do the IRC chats. It used to tell you how many hours you'd spent in there. Once i realized i had spent north of 25k hours in there, i left and never went back, which is a damn shame because chat rooms are infinitely more engaging than message boards

>>19294255
Im pretty sure thats the main reason im compelled to come here. I close 4chan and suddenly its just me, alone, with no life to speak of

>>19294248
>Western ideas did not simply obscure the understanding of anorexia in Hong Kong; they also may have changed the expression of the illness itself. As the general public and the region’s mental-health professionals came to understand the American diagnosis of anorexia, the presentation of the illness in Lee’s patient population appeared to transform into the more virulent American standard. Lee once saw two or three anorexic patients a year; by the end of the 1990s he was seeing that many new cases each month. That increase sparked another series of media reports. “Children as Young as 10 Starving Themselves as Eating Ailments Rise,” announced a headline in one daily newspaper. By the late 1990s, Lee’s studies reported that between 3 and 10 percent of young women in Hong Kong showed disordered eating behavior. In contrast to Lee’s earlier patients, these women most often cited fat phobia as the single most important reason for their self-starvation. By 2007 about 90 percent of the anorexics Lee treated reported fat phobia. New patients appeared to be increasingly conforming their experience of anorexia to the Western version of the disease.

A few weeks ago, the Wall Street Journal published an article titled "Teen Girls Are Developing Tics. Doctors Say TikTok Could Be a Factor." Mainstream media and the normiesphere is aware of this. "Fake" disorders isn't something only discussed on Mongolian basket weaving forums... The young women typically have pre-existing mental health issues (anxiety and depression) and are algorithmically funneled into watching large numbers of these videos. They can be treated without medication, but treatment involves recognizing that this is a psychogenic illness and developing mental techniques for combating it.

Rapid-onset gender dysphoria is also a thing... But Littman got cancelled for suggesting that some might start feeling like they're trans because of social pressure rather than due to something innate.

But is there a way of telling whose mental illnesses are real and whose are not?

Baudrillard, far from being an expert in psychology, nevertheless comes to mind:
>Simulating is not pretending: "Whoever fakes an illness can simply stay in bed and make everyone believe he is ill. Whoever simulates an illness produces in himself some of the symptoms" (Littré). Therefore, pretending, or dissimulating, leaves the principle of reality intact... Is the simulator sick or not, given that he produces "true" symptoms?

>>19294274
>>Why do you feel like shit?
I have no idea. that's what my original post >>19293988 was about.
It's your typical doomer thoughts: life isn't worth living, Iife stopped being good when I turned 10.. etc.

>>19294267
>>19294267
i realized a while back that some people are just bad at friendship. Im one of them. I never really gave a shit about anyone in my life i called a friend. They were there to serve my interests, not the other way around. I didn't invest in other people. I had friends in High School, i left for college and rarely ever spoke to them again. I didn't think about them. I had friends in college, then i left college and POOF, didn't care anymore.

I realized the reason i don't have any friends as an adult is because im only interested in myself.

>>19294285
lol yea i wonder if seeing how many hours ive spent here would push me to quit. when i realized i had 2.5k hours in dota 2 it really sunk in how much time i was wasting on something so repetitive and pointless, completely unmemorable, and caused me to lose interest

i dont know if i could let go of 4chan so easily because of the social aspect though

>>19294306
same reasoning as me but i want validation. I know everyone else does it for the same fucking reason but they are better at it than me. No one wants to fucking hang out with me

>>19293988
family is a wonderful thing, so are chores and keeping a nice living space. im convinced that busywork and family/community are the absolute keys to happiness. more than anything i wish i could own a piece of land and just spend all day maintaining it and doing all sorts of busywork around the property, and spending time with people i love and who love me. and maybe a bit of alone time for reading once and a while of course hehe

>>19294328
>I know everyone else does it for the same fucking reason but they are better at it than me. No one wants to fucking hang out with me
this is clouding your interactions with people. it's not gonna end nicely if you're already presuming they're in it only for their self-interest

Anons help me out. What was the name of the college philosophy lecturer that used to always be memed on here until recently. He was a big fulla, his lectures were on YouTube.

>>19294337
Everyone is in it for their own self interest dickwad. Everyone has needs that need to be fulfilled faggot. Why the fuck would anyone bother to socialise if they didnt get a net positive out of it? Get your 18 year old ass out of here

>>19294352
rick roderick, and they aren't really very good, but ok to have on the in the background while you do some other shit.

>>19294354
I mean you're right but you can be less cynical about it. I hang out with people because I enjoy their company, they end up getting something out of me in return I'm sure but it's not like I'm selling myself out, it just happens that when I'm around people I like I become fun to hang out with and I'm sure that's true for you but you're in a an edgy teenager phase right now and can't think right

>>19294305
Maybe examine why you feel like shit, Maybe it's just because you're keeping labeling sensations into feelings like depressed and happy. You feel a sensation and call that happy but since sensations are not permanent, most sensations are short lived, when it goes away you call it depressed. Happiness and Depression are both fake they aren't real. It's good to stop labeling whatever you are feeling and letting your thoughts control you.

>>19294361
lol he was into critical theory before it was cool

>>19294369
I rarely enjoy anyone's company. I just want to be wanted and invited out and shit by attractive people. I would get bored of them but I want the option.

>>19294371
I'm coming to it from the other end. I get a stream of thoughts that make me sad and these thoughts stop feeling real and convincing for no reason at all when I'm doing chores, talking with friends/family etc. So I believe the way I'm doing it is a helpful way of thinking about it.

>>19294397
By controlling your environment so nothing sets you off? You are just reinforcing your thoughts that make you sad. But you should realize sadness is not real it's idea that was put into you by society.

>>19293861
baraka allahu fik akhi, i do find the stories of those meetings to be somewhat dubious, but that's just my humble cynicism. i'll look into all of those links. thank you for your clarifications. have a good day and may you find peace and tranquility in your path.

>>19294312
i just started posting here. 10 years wasted on IRC chat. 10 years on Facebook/Twitter.

Guess i got a good 10 years ahead of me.

>>19294328
Yup. All my friends from when before i was married are now my wife's friends. Because she gives a shit, is interested in their lives, makes an effort to be social with them. I don't give a shit.

And i'd love some of that sweet validation as well, but i didn't care and wasn't good at pretending to care.

>>19294462
Pretending to care. Fuck how do I do that when they just leave me on read?

>>19294387
I had a good run of that for awhile. Brief window where people thought i was important. Got into the nice bars with the nice looking people and everyone interested in whatever i was doing.

Those were the good days. They're gone now.

>>19294472
>>19294472
I don't know how you do that digitally and post-pandemic. The last time i had friends was before smartphones were everywhere. You could go to social functions and look interested when they talked and laugh about their stories. Towards the end of my social relationships, i started wearing this perpetual scowl and everyone knew i wanted to be anywhere else

>>19294472
if I were you I'd consider the following:
1. you smell bad; or
2. you're boring/don't share any interest with these people

>>19294453
all i can say is just DO NOT make a habbit of having browsing 4chan being the "default" state if that makes sense, where browsing 4chan is like a base and any other activities are simply interruptions and divergences of this, where the first thing you do in the morning is browse 4chan and whenever you arent doing anything else, youre browsing 4chan

operating like that is a sure fire way to fuck yourself up, not only your habits but your actually attention span and mindset will be fucked up

>>19290259
What am I supposed to say after I match with a woman on a dating app?

>>19294506
Talk to her like any other woman in your life.

>>19294361
dw it was Gregory B Sadler I was thinking of

>>19294500
Thanks for the advice. I'll try to keep my browsing to a minimum

>>19294506
Normally? How is this he’s for you?

>>19294489
this bitch muted me and just wont open my fucking messages and im tired of this disrespect. Im going to launch a preemptive strike and block her. That'll fucking show her. Fuck her "im too buys" bull shit. I aint buying. I even posted passive aggressive stories shaming people for leaving me on read. I am so fucking livid right now i could cut my arm off

>>19294508
sorry but thats terrible advice, women on dating apps will just ignore you if you casually start a normal conversation like a normal human being, you have to have some sort of gimmick or hook to immediately grab their attention or they will just unmatch you and move on to the other 200 men they have to choose from

>>19294510
Sadler is just Roderick lite

>>19294526
You need to get off /pol/ and /r9k/. That shit ain't healthy.

>>19294538
he is right you fuckwad

>>19294557
Not him, but /lit/ has always what in women for no reason.

>>19294559
what

>>19294538
whew yea sorry but you have no fucking idea what you are talking about. a huge portion of women on dating apps will unmatch you just for saying hello instead of some gimmicky one liner or something

>>19294526
>you have to have some sort of gimmick or hook to immediately grab their attention or they will just unmatch you and move on to the other 200 men they have to choose from
Well, you're on 4chan, which mean you have neither of those traits, so give up.

>>19294583
what traits? what the fuck are you talking about?

>>19294590
>what traits?
Gimmick and hooks. The fact that you have to come here for advice proves it.

>>19294590
>>19294583
This is me and i deserve respect >>19294524

>>19294597
Just move on. Why waste time on this?

>>19294605
because every girl does this to me asshole

>>19294581
>huge portion of women on dating apps will unmatch you just for saying hello instead of some gimmicky one liner or something
Stop using mainstream apps. Go for the niche.

>>19294594
gimmicks and hooks are not "traits" are you fucking retarded? they're tedious actions to get peoples attention, and im giving advice and coming here for it, are you illiterate to boot?

New thread
>>19294617

>>19294618
*not

>>19294613
They won't care. So why waste your time on this?

>>19294448
same to you brother.