/lit/ - Literature

>>19280099
>raised by the monks there, and had never seen a woman apart from chapel icons of the Virgin Mary
Imagine being so blessed that your idea of a woman is the Virgin Mary.

>>19280099
>In January 2008 about a dozen Greek women violated the 1,000-year ban on females during a protest over disputed land.
What the fuck is their problem, bros?

>>19280122
3DPD

>>19280122
Satan is repeating the thing he did with Eve.

there was a travel book by an italian, in 80s or early 90s. he visited some hippies in california, buddhist monks and finially athos.
forgot title and author, such cases

Any book on instituting a women-free zone in the US? Would it be possible under modern law?

>>19280174
MTG tournament

>>19280099
>Mount Athos has barred women for more than 1,000 years - they are not allowed within 500m of the coast.
>he met an orphan who had been raised by the monks there, and had never seen a woman apart from chapel icons of the Virgin Mary
Is this your way of saying you don’t like women because you hate or fear them? Be honest, we are friends here.

Nice digits btw

>>19280099
A friend's dad worked as a cop there, most monks were pretty cool he said but a few were extremely gay. Another guy I know was almost raped by a monk there

>>19280122
Dumb cunt

>>19280174
The problem wouldn't be the law. The problem would be the glowies. Your ranks would be 80% cool dudes with identical sunglasses and watches.

>>19280189
I find it interesting that there can be a whole plot of land free of the female temptation. As a Christian I like women of course, the most holy created human is a woman.

>it is not shown on any map, true places never are..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bussana_Vecchia
>Abandoned due to an earthquake in 1887, it was renovated and repopulated by an international community of artists in the early 1960s. It is administratively a hamlet (frazione) of the city of Sanremo, near the border with France. To this day, it is home to a small group of local inhabitants as well as international artists, with craft shops, cafes, and restaurants, and has over the years gained the reputation of a rural artists' residence within the setting of a medieval village.
probably already overrun by pseuds

Hi. I live 250km off of Mt Athos and visited it 3 times.
The place is as serene and picturesque as you probably imagine, unless you're unlucky enough to visit it at the same time with tourist groups. It's still nice though.
It is generally considered appropriate to not go empty-handed and bring some 'gifts' for the monks, usually food, cocoa, coffee and maybe traditional sweets. Of course your gift will be reciprocated.
Unfortunately some of the monasteries have turned this into a business which probably nets them quite a bit of money, but there's still monasteries there where they keep it true and it's the 'real deal'.
Wake-up call is at 6:30 IIRC, but you won't be disturbed until 8am if you don't make it. However the climate of the region and the general peaceful atmosphere makes it so that you feel great after a 6 hour sleep. It's an amazing effect.
I wish there were many more -and more accessible- places of seclusion like that, where you could retreat for a couple of days so you won't lose your mind. It's an alternative to building a remote cabin in rural Montana and mailing bombs to people

>>19280117
Ignorance is bliss

Halt, tourist! Hand over the candy & any pics you have of your nubile daughters.

>>19280227
>Hi. I live 250km off of Mt Athos and visited it 3 times.
That's cool. It's a shame that in my diocese where I live (eastern parts of Russia) there are no male monasteries nearby because the communists destroyed them. I really need to take the time to travel and visit one.
I would also love to visit the Greek and Palestinian monasteries someday. Especially the monastery of St. John the Theologian on Patmos.

>>19280222
>the most holy created human is a woman.
No it isn’t, it’s John the Baptist Jesus literally says this himself. Kys catholicuck

>>19280174
Get a group of guys with no resources together to pursue some kind of goal or ideal without obvious clear chance of it resulting in material gain

>>19280561
>Get a group of guys with no resources together to pursue some kind of goal or ideal without obvious clear chance of it resulting in material gain
Sounds incredibly based.

>>19280099
This is a rather beautiful book about Athos
quite a bit of gay sex with monks and young boys tho

Based.

>>19280302
Umm actually it's elijah but ok?? Lol

>>19281858
Woah, what about Enoch?

>>19282394
Enochma balls

>>19280099
>based
Upon?

>>19280117
Based.

>>19280227
What is the protocol for visiting a monastery? Do you just show up and ask someone to stay there as a curious tourist? Aren’t the monks ever offended by this?

>>19280231
>>19280099
>>19280174
I as a woman have no obligation to satisfy the male fantasy of a "virgin Mary"

>>19280222
virgin mary is an incel fantasy

>>19282760
What is femininity to you? What defines a woman? What makes a good woman?

>>19282760
>I, as a woman, do not desire to emulate the most perfect woman who ever loved
Typical female.

>>19282760
>a “virgin Mary”
There’s only one Theotokos

>>19282760
Don't care.

>>19282760
You know the rules, cunt.
I'm not going to repeat myself....

>>19282811
There actually never has been one dingus. It's a mgtow fantasy, not any more real than your anime.

>>19282783
Read a book.
>>19282794
You are contradicting yourself.
>>19282811
lol
>>19282816
You do buddy :3
>>19282828
Tell that to the tissue you splooge into.

>>19282847
Please mock me more.

>>19282847
Post Adam's apple.

>>19282872
post cock

>>19282847
>Tell that to the tissue you splooge into.
Woman fuck their dogs.

>>19282760
More a Mary Magdalene I see

>>19282914
lol

>>19282879
Pay me first.

>>19282978
My reply should be enough, incel.

there are no women in this thread

>>19283005
Never have been.

It’s illegal to misgender me now. Post hate speech one more time and I will report it to the FBI.

>>19282987
Time to stop posting and dilate.

>>19280174
Mount Athos is technically illegal under EU gender equality rules IIRC, I think the civil rights act would make it work out the same way in the USA. You might get away with it if you incorporate it as a cloistered monastery, but you wouldn't be able to have pilgrims/visitors without opening yourself up to legal trouble.

>>19283118
>Mount Athos is technically illegal under EU gender equality rules
could there be any more conclusive proof of how evil the EU is

>>19280099
How do they sustain a population? Can anybody just go to the island and get to live there?

>>19282760
>as a woman (male)

>>19280561
Eh? That sounds pretty cool to me, I don't think that's only something guys would care for.
>>19280180
I actually know a girl who plays MtG, funny enough.

>>19280222
So you like women but also they're inherently tempters? Plus, why is it only women that are tempters? Most people are at least a little bisexual, meaning they could be tempted by the same sex too.

>>19280099
The Broken Road by Patrick Leigh Fermor has a large section of his diaries from visiting Athos

>>19283575
>Most people are at least a little bisexual
Kys you fucking freudian

>>19282794
A man's idea of the most perfect woman, maybe. The prizing of virginity likely originated as a way to guarantee paternity- if a woman had never been with another man it could be guaranteed the child was his. Or more concisely, what >>19282773 said.
>>19282836
The historical Maryam probably existed, but she didn't give birth as a virgin.
>>19283125
Because you can't discriminate on the basis of inborn qualities?

>>19283604
Nah, I'm not a Freudian, I just don't deny what I can obviously see.

>>19283180
You have to go there with no legal bindings like debt or marriage, state your intent, and become accepted. That's all.

>>19283678
>You have to go there with no legal bindings like debt or marriage, state your intent, and become accepted. That's all.
What language they talk?
Don't tell me it's greek.

>>19283686
I made it sound simple but the "become accepted" part is difficult, they are very selective, you need to show your piety. And yea i think greek.

>>19282847
So you have no concept of it? No recourse but memery and mockery? Sad. You should look for a man that can truly make you feel your femininity, love. How sad :(

>>19283606
This is what reductionism does to a "man". Look, ye, look and see the emaciated spiritual corpse of western "masculinity", in all its sickness.

>>19282760
>>19282836
>>19282847
This is a man, and you guys are falling headlong for the bait. Congrats

>>19283686
>What language they talk on this peninsula in Greece?
>Don't tell me it's greek.
wtf did he mean by this?

Men go there from all over so there are speakers of many languages there, but outside of the numerous slavic communities greek would be predominant.

>>19283686
>What language they talk?
>Don't tell me it's greek.
"What is 1 + 1? Don't tell me it's 2."
ok

>>19282760
u got an obligation to suck my dick though

>>19283719
Can you explain what about it specifically is wrong?

>>19283606
>Because you can't discriminate on the basis of inborn qualities?
Because it contradicts the 1000 year old tradition of these holy men who want to preserve what they have

>>19283701
>So you have no concept of it?
Lilith, I bet, or maybe Medea.
Not her btw.

>>19283794
>Because it contradicts the 1000 year old tradition of these holy men who want to preserve what they have
Don't you know that every single place of Earth gotta have the same values, anon?

>>19283822
I mean, if some moral values were actually true they would be equally true everywhere, wouldn't they? Morality seems kind of meaningless if it varies by time and place. Obviously the specific actions it will recommend may vary, but the underlying principles of morality must be the same to be worthy of the name.

>>19282964
Mary Magdalene repented.

>>19282760
Nobody is asking you shit.

>>19283829
So much for this kind of "tolerance".

>>19283842
So you're having a discussion that has to do with us but you don't want our opinions?
>>19283844
Do you not believe that there are absolute morals? If so, on what basis do you justify or condemn anything? (For the record, I don't, but it seems to me that if there WERE a true morality it would have to be universal to be meaningful.)

>>19283857
I don't see how being denied entrance in an insignificant plot of land, for religious reasons, denies the existence of absolute morality in some degree.
Also, the people who would go there protest on these grounds really love talking about "tolerance" but they just can't tolerate a small group of people minding their own business as they always did, and have to go there to impose their values because these clerics are a menace to these people somehow or Idk.

>>19280180
kek but too many women play mtg. some tabletop from games workshop would be better.

>>19283931
I mean, if it's wrong to discriminate against someone based on immutable characteristics then it's wrong to discriminate against someone based on immutable characteristics, no?

>>19280302
unironically in the hierarchy of humans Our Lady is #1 then St. Joseph is #2. It is only outside of the Holy Family St. John the Baptist is number #1.

the parents in the Holy Family are not on the same level as the rest of humanity. it is only outside of the Holy Family that St. John can be considered the holiest

>>19283961
>then it's wrong to discriminate against someone based on immutable characteristics, no?
You call the control of a country's borders (that is, mostly inborn characteristics) "discrimination" too?

I don't like your vocabulary, it's a loaded words's game when the issue at play here is mostly the atempt to keep chastity by monks, as you may know.
You're basically calling their religious practices "intolerance". I could see it coming in the horizon, but NOT so soon...

We're in a for a really bad ride in the future

>>19284016
I mean, we're willing to outlaw human sacrifice even if it's a practice of some religions and presumably you have no objection to that, merely being a religious practice doesn't automatically mean something deserves protection.
(And why are they only concerned with temptation from women, but not possible temptation from other men, do they think it's totally impossible that any man there could have any degree of same-sex attraction?)

>>19284035
lmao did u just compare living in a male-only community to practicing human sacrifice. demented witch.

>>19284121
My point is just that "it's a religious practice" is not an automatic defense, that's all.

>woman comes in
>starts making it about herself
>retards respond
gg

>>19283686
>Don't tell me it's greek.
Well in Zografou and Pavlou they speak Bulgarian and Romanian respectively.

>>19284140
how about the fact that practices like human sacrifices result in harm to other human beings but people voluntarily living together in a male-only community harms noone and nothing other than ur feelings in some abstract way? u hate these monks for some reason and think it’s obvious their way of life needs to be outlawed but you probably see nothing wrong with adults having anal sex or bdsm or other degrading and dangerous sex acts which are common and accepted in modern society.

>>19280099
I knew that Mount Athos was home to a bunch of Orthodox monasteries, but I didn't know they don't even let femoids within eyesight of the island lol

>>19284035
>and presumably you have no objection to that
I have actually. To me, Carthage and the Aztecs should still be a thing.
I cry for those baby-killers, I really do. Such an interesting culture should never go extinct.
I would keep my children away from them for sure, and I would kick them back if they ever tried to expand; but that's a different issue.
The thing is that I'd never deny them their right to live the way their ancestrals teached them, no matter how much I thought that was wrong.
Or are you telling me you're against native reserves, anon?
I don't think likewise that every single country got to have the same laws as mine, since I'm not a burger.
So I don't really see the issue.

>do they think it's totally impossible that any man there could have any degree of same-sex attraction?)
If you're a hetero, you source of "trouble" likely will come from the opposite gender I would bet.
Of course, there are cases of abuse. But the temptation of sodomy is mostly coming if you're already fucked up above the average. But maybe more important, the "imagetic" of women is much more powerful. Although I may be specially biased on this one, granted.

Do you recall, the trope is that SHE is the sweet temptress.

>>19280174
>>19280561
A \lit\ meetup

>>19284375
>A \lit\ meetup
There are women here right now. They are deranged though. lel

>>19284388
Not to imply the males aren’t also deranged.

>>19280117
Imagine your view of women coming entirelt from the accounts of incels, truecels, and volcels.

>>19280099
bent

>>19280174
prison

>>19280174
honestly think a big estate where you can keep all the incels wd be good for everyone

>>19283752
I am not claiming it to be fundamentally wrong. I'm saying that there are higher and lower truths, and that reductionism closes all doors on the former. Judging something merely by the way it manifests itself, that is by the sum and not by what it is and furthermore what it symbolizes, I call that cold and dead. Try to see the whole picture

>>19283804
I bet

every single males only club inevitably turns into a teeming hive of faggots and pederasts, why would anyone become a monk in 2021 lol. they're all adulterous queers in denial, or in stealth.

>>19284703
>using 2021 buzzwords to describe people who lived 1000+ years ago
you should dilate ASAP

>>19284249
the faggots already started using the usual tactic, "the monks are all gays in denial! they're all gay, secretly gay! why don't you just be a gay man like meeeeeee????"
they always use the same tactics, if you don't like the gays you're a gay in denial, any kind of non sexual relationship between men is obviously closet gay, the Greeks were all a bunch of Gay Pride going faggots, the romans too, all the monks were gay, everyone was gay throughout history except of course the "incels" and "chuds", everyone and everything is gay, they just keep repeating this over and over and over until people accept this as truth. Every year I observe the fags I realize why every culture under the Sun stoned them on sight.

>>19284398
no one here is quite on your level

>everybody who wanted to write about it, died trying.

so just for clarity, everyone in this thread is definitely "vol" cel right? lol

>>19282760
When did the trannie presence on this board become so high.

>>19284703
Bahahahahahahaha, look at this pussy-whipped nigga and laugh.

>>19285531
Modern 4chinz has become a balancing act of two invasive species: the /pol/bab and the troon.
The more you have of one the less there is of the other ofc. Personally i'm on the side of the /pol/fags since they don't become janitors and try to censor you.

>>19282760
>as a woman

>>19285531
When did people start falling so easily for bait?

>>19285574
says something abt the characters on this board eh

>>19284249
I mean, imagine if workplaces could do that. If enough agreed to they could effectively exclude women (or men as the case may be) from public life entirely. Would you like that?
>>19284335
>The thing is that I'd never deny them their right to live the way their ancestrals teached them
But aren't they denying (some of) their children, or members of conquered peoples respectively, the right to live at all by doing so? Do those individuals not have that right? It seems absurd to defend a people's right to live as their ancestors did but not an individual's right to live at all.
>>19285089
Some of them might end up going prison gay for each other.
>>19285322
>>19285531
>>19285564
Rent. Free.

>>19287208
>But aren't they denying (some of) their children, or members of conquered peoples respectively, the right to live at all by doing so? Do those individuals not have that right?
we live in a country where abortion is legal

>>19287208
>>19287823
>we live in a country where abortion is legal
Btfo

>>19280174
your bedroom in your mom's house lmao

>>19287823
Potential people are not the same as actual people, and the vast majority of abortions are at a stage where the fetus does not yet have a brain and as such necessarily can have no feeling, perception of consciousness. The vast majority of late-term abortions are also for wanted pregnancies that have become medically problematic.

>>19287823
That's also whataboutism, mind. It's not actually addressing the question. Unless you mean that it's good that abortion is legal, because that's our culture, and thus it's also good that those cultures should be allowed to keep their cultural practices?

>unironically defending human sacrifice by redefining who is and isn’t human
this is the person who thinks not letting women into your club is a violation of fundamental morality that must be violently suppressed by the government

>>19289554
To be redefining it, we'd have to have a working definition in the first place. Do you define something with no brain as a human being? It's as certain as anything possibly could be to be incapable of feeling, perception, or consciousness.

> It's as certain as anything possibly could be to be incapable of feeling, perception, or consciousness.
guess I’m good to sacrifice anyone who ends up braindead after a car crash to the local rain god then
also whataboutism is a ****it word lol. pointing out hypocrisy isn’t invalid. it proves that u don’t actually care about the supposed moral issues and that you are just arguing disingenously in an attempt to gain power over other people.

>>19289633
I mean, if someone is actually brain dead then you can't really revive them, no, there's nothing left to revive, you might as well pull the plug.
And... a true statement is true and a false statement is false no matter who says it, a true statement cannot magically become false depending on whose mouth its coming out of. So even if you point out someone's a hypocrite, you haven't actually demonstrated the falsity of what they're saying.

>>19289731
Fuck, *it's

>>19289731
>I mean, if someone is actually brain dead then you can't really revive them, no, there's nothing left to revive, you might as well pull the plug.
I literally got u to agree that human sacrifice of certain people is ok, pull back and reevaluate ur life

>>19289742
I don't think there's any good reason to sacrifice them, but there's no one there to kill anymore. Why on Earth would you care about breathing and heartbeat rather than... whether there's still a person there?

>>19284335
>If you're a hetero, you source of "trouble" likely will come from the opposite gender I would bet.
>Of course, there are cases of abuse. But the temptation of sodomy is mostly coming if you're already fucked up above the average.
Places without women (like prisons, boarding schools and bootcamps) are hotbeds of homosexuality, even among people with a heterosexual orientation. Not to mention patriarchal societies like ancient Greece and Islamic Middle East.

>>19280099
The fuck are you talking about, that sounds like the gayest, child diddling place on earth

>>19291360
it is: >>19280910

>>19289742
do you know what brain dead means?

>>19284703
Life must suck when you can't use actual insults lest the Toxoplasmosis in your brain makes you have an aneurysm.

>>19285332
>any kind of non sexual relationship between men is obviously closet gay, the Greeks were all a bunch of Gay Pride going faggots, the romans too
the Greeks talk constantly about sexual relationships between males

>>19284703
this post was made by a vagina slave

>>19283118
>I think the civil rights act would make it work out the same way in the USA
Only if it were a "place of public accommodation" meaning that it 'served' the general public in some way like a restaurant or a store. Private membership clubs can and do still exist here. Even though it's generally ignored these days, one of the US Constitution's guarantees under the Bill of Rights is the right to free association, which necessarily means the right to *not* associate with certain people.

>>19292215
>random post about toxo
are you burgers fucking schizophrenic?

>>19292152
Apparently they don't. (It's good to see there are at least a few people here who aren't idiots.)

>>19288837
The gamete has moved from potency to actuality (as regards personhood) at the moment of conception. Emergent properties like consciousness are irrelevant. Men die in war and women die in childbirth--don't give me the "medically problematic" nonsense. If you want to live without war and post-birth death, go live in a monastery. Renounce sex and war. But if you want sex and war--there will be consequences if you want to live morally.

>>19280099
>had never seen a woman

Imagine what a peaceful life he must have had.

>>19280122
If this is any indication of the other 11 then probably little to no harm was done.

>>19280122
>This is not the first time women have briefly entered the community. Women tourists and archaeologists, sometimes dressed as men, have set foot on the peninsula in the past decades

>>19280302
Based, ____ the Satanic lies of "Tradition™".

>>19283829
>if some moral values were actually true they would be equally true everywhere, wouldn't they?
no
>Morality seems kind of meaningless if it varies by time and place.
no
>Obviously the specific actions it will recommend may vary,
no
>but the underlying principles of morality must be the same to be worthy of the name.
no

I was friends with a girl in uni who was cute/hot, I would say 9/10 but not really sexy, just beautiful if you know what I mean, and she was a virgin at 22/23 and weird/possibly autistic. Sometimes while waiting outside of class around a crowd she would run over to me because we were both different and didn't fit in with the others. She started dating a guy who was like a taller version of me and everybody was asking me why this girl was dating such an average-looking nerdy kind of guy. I harbour no jealousy towards him, even though at the time it was hard hanging out with them and seeing them kiss, but I don't care and I'm happy for him and hope they're still together.

There was also another girl I knew like that earlier except more objectively hotter, and I regret not asking her out. I was better looking, athletic and semi-popular (failed normalfag) at the time and it might have saved me from becoming what I am today. My friends said she was into me because she would randomly strike up conversation and say certain things, then a girl who knew her asked what I thought of her, and she was excited to see me when we ran into each other out of the blue. I would bet money on her being a virgin at the time because she had no real friend group and had never dated, didn't fit in at all and "popular" girls were mean to her because she was very pretty but awkward. I know she started dating a chad later, which is fine, because he was a good man, not some douche. I don't see why anons are so resentful of women as a whole.

As for myself, my life is meaningless and I do not matter. I don't want to die, I just want to find meaning. The pain I felt, especially in the 2nd example, was great, and can still be great (regret for not having acted), but then I think about how I don't actually exist and it dissipates. I just wish I could realise this sense of void fully.

I disagree with anons are so resentful to all women. Of course many are degraded, retarded whores, but not all. But the sorry state of women is the result of weak men and psychological warfare, and btw I can't blame women for not wanting to date guys who play videogames all day and are afraid to talk to people. Also, women are not capable of making good decisions with regards to life choices, I can't really blame them for being idiots when compared to men in certain areas, it is their nature. If you want a good woman you need to save yourself first. It isn't easy, the society we live in is completely fucked up. So doing absolutely nothing in your life is understandable, but men of a more noble character should still strive for better nonetheless. I really wish I had acted earlier in my life on those 2 opportunities. Worst case they would have laughed at me and others would have as well. Who cares. Now it would be a lot harder to achieve the same things, although I'm not giving up.

Thanks for reading my blogpost, I have nobody else to talk to these things about, I'm not normally a poetic fag.

>>19294669
So it's better to leave the child as-is even if it means killing the mother and the child along with it (if she dies before it reaches viability) than to kill the child in order to save the mother? Isn't it better to definitely save one life than possibly sacrifice both?
>>19294935
So are you saying there isn't actually such thing as a true moral claim? Well, alright, but in that case you have no grounds to argue that anything should or shouldn't be done, except for instrumental reasons.

>>19280222
there are no degrees in holiness, nigger; you can't be 90% or 50% "whole" it's a contradiction in terms

>>19295036
Just seek and follow God.

>>19295232
>So are you saying there isn't actually such thing as a true moral claim?
Saying yes to life even in its strangest and hardest problems, the will to life rejoicing over its own inexhaustibility even in the very sacrifice of its highest types--that is what I am saying. Not in order to be liberated from terror and pity, not in order to purge oneself of a dangerous affect by its vehement discharge--Aristotle understood it that way--but in order to be oneself the eternal joy of becoming, beyond all terror and pity--that joy which included even joy in destroying.

>>19295263
Spirituality is real. Exoteric religions are just cope for the commoners, I'm interested in metaphysics/initiation.

>>19295353
>metaphysics/initiation
Babylonian Satanism.

>>19295377
lol not at all, you're judging metaphysical reality from a very narrow, exoteric perspective.

>>19283985
>no mention of Jesus
Learn you some Ecumenical Councils, monophysite heretic.
100% man, 100% God.

>>19295418
Wrong, and dubs of 7 backed me up.

>>19295440
no you

check these dub faggit

>>19295534
Nice fail, my truth is confirmed yet again.