/lit/ - Literature

KANG OF SFFG

>Say that book is ok/good but don't understand why some people absolutely love it
>autist seethes about how I am arguing in bad faith
Separating the work from the fandom but holy hell

>>19267659
Pseuds here use Wolfe's books as a status symbol and become extremely confrontational and insecure if you question their sacred nature.

Just speedread The Way of Kings. What did I think of it?

>>19267787
Don't care.

>>19267653

>>19267653
Literally, unironically who

>>19267634
All /sffg/fags must hang

>>19267634
Sup, I'm back after a small hiatus. Spent my time watching anime, and rereading Wheel of Time. Well, not ALL of WoT. I've had my fill after book 7. I need a break. And that's why I'm back here! Looking for some new recommendations.

So if anyone would be so kind as to recommend a new book, I'd appreciate it a lot. I tend to like the character driven stories. Not so much the actiony stuff. I mean, action is nice, but the characters have to be good. Here is my entire reading history so far: https://pastebin.com/tiqKTTPN

Also, I made the mistake of looking at the rest of the board before taking refuge in this thread. It's a pseud storm out there. Be careful. I almost fell to the temptation to give my own pseud opinion. It was a struggle to resist.

>>19268013
A Song of Ice and Fire (GOT books)

>>19268020
I've read it already. It's listed in the "ongoing" section of my reading history. Since I have faith Winds of Wiinter will come out.

>>19268013
The Sarantine Mosaic.

10th (poster) for Cradle #10

>>19267826
Reveal yourself Skinspy!

>>19267653
A man of culture, I see.

>>19268025
>Since I have faith Winds of Wiinter will come out.
:/
I used to but I read ADWD in middle school and since then I have gone to college and graduated, with no sign that TWOW is any closer to coming out today than it was 8 years ago.
Sorry I didn't see ASOIAF in your ongoing list

>>19268077
When you get a little older, then you'll see that 8 years is both a long and a short time.

>>19268111
I'm 24 and I am already terrified of how fast my life is fading away. I'm 25%+ done and if I died tomorrow I wouldn't feel satisfied in the slightest...

>>19268013
>The Three Body Problem
Just read The Dark Forest already

Also, please make your lists separated by newlines. It's much harder to read like this.

>>19268161
Oh right, good point. I originally kept it in paragraph format because I was posting in the thread directly, and I didn't want an obnoxious vertical post breaking up the thread. But since I'm using pastebin now, it would make more sense to list them vertically.

>Just read The Dark Forest already
I might. The Three Body Problem didn't blow me away or anything. There were a few things I didn't like about it. But now that some time has passed, I'm feeling less adverse to the idea of reading the second book.

I'm going to try this first >>19268026

>>19268177
TDF is much, much better than 3BP imo. If you didn't wholly dislike the first book you'll probably have a far better time with the second. Three body essentially feels like a novel length prologue to the events in Dark Forest.

>>19268177
>I'm feeling less adverse to the idea of reading the second book.
Do it, and forget about Death's End.

>>19268461
I disagree, I think it's enjoyable enough and adds enough to the series it's absolutely worth reading. It's just not as tight as dark forest. Still easily in my top 10 (TDF is my #1)

>>19267773
The only ones seething about Wolfeposting are the chinkshit "readers" and will wright

>>19269026
not me

whore after all

>>19269265
3 Talents.

What do you see anon?

>>19269426
Sesame cookies.

Autistic people should be executed

>>19267787
That the fight scenes are some anime/manga shit (in a good way)

>>19269465
For me it' was a real struggle to get through the (2nd!) prologue. I can't imagine reading that shit for a thousand pages.

oh shit, looks fucking real
watch it in 4k
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NACvuFhigqI

>>19269488
YIKES!

>>19269494
wrong thread but you are FAGGOT!

>>19269496
>Enjoys car video games
You need to be 18 to post here.

>>19269497
In fact I have never enjoyed or been interested in them until now, with that gaem

>>19269471
The prologue was pretty much just an intro to Lashings. I thought it was okay, but I like getting info dumped so theres that (maybe why im meh on Wax and Wayne).

I can see why Way of Kings can be a slog for a good portion at the start, it doesnt really get going until the bridge runs - but the payoff is pretty cool at around the second/final third. The early chapters are a setup for some cool reveals in later books too.

>>19268013
The expanse books, I like the characters and their multi book arcs.

Hmmmmmmmmm

>>19267840
You know, it's that guy that peaked in 2003, that hasn't published any novels for 4 years, him, that dude

>>19269692
GURM GoT is for babbies!

>>19267840
the no-god

>>19269692
this but unironically

>>19269692
Based

Anasûrimbor Kellhus is literally me lads

>it's the current year! you can't have a prostitute character who acts and speaks like a prostitute!

>>19269692
Hello? Based department?

>>19269702
>4 years

>>19269764

>>19269800
>I am unable to find the referent OP

>>19269816
Non sequitur.

>>19269764
>>19269808
>watch another of her videos
>so most people on booktube know that I am a huge brandon sanderson fan!
Imagine my shock

More like The Way of Faggots by Brandon Söyderson

>>19269896

>>19268177
TDF is bonkers great, agree with the other anon that 3BP can be considered solely in order to prep, setup and get familiar with the premise and setting of TDF.
I still think Deaths End should be read though, if only to complete a certain main character's arc.

>>19269896
Cringe.
Imagine unironically showing up at one of his conventions if you're an adult.

YIKERS!

Is the rest of the bridge trilogy worth it? Virtual light has been comfy ride so far

>>19269896
I kind of admire Sanderson for being so aggressively normal.

>>19267653
I see this on every thread and I quite honestly do not get it.

I've read his works, and they were good - not amazing, but great enough to be recommended to others. Yet you people keep hailing him as a sort of savior of fantasy genre, and I honestly don't see it. Sure he's good compared to cuck-fantasy written by qweens, troons, mentally ill retards and mormons like Sandershit, but that isn't exactly hard to surpass.

He's a decent author and deserves a rating of 7-8/10, but I wouldn't give him the KANG status.

>>19270068
Because he is anti cuck, anti qweens, anti troons anti mentally ill, anti retard, anti mormon and anti sandershit, HE GETS THE KANG STATUS.

>>19270086
Nah, you need to be more than just that.

started the judging eye yesterday
why the fuck is cuckmage fucking his daughter willingly, this doesn't make any fucking sense

>>19270066
He's a really nice guy. Too bad his books are bad.

>>19270068
No single contemporary author even comes close to Bakker in the fantasy genre.

/sffg/ recs? Just transitioned, by the way.

>>19270250
Transitioned to what? Fantasy?

>>19270257
Also yes.

>>19270260
I don't exactly know what you're looking for, though.

>>19270129
until that author you are waiting for comes, Bakker has the crown.

I've just realized that Rand al'Thor is Jesus and the Aiel are the twelve tribes of Israel

>>19270335
Jordan was always good at plagiarizing others.

>this father
>supressed
>peerless beauty
>solid foundation
>even this could/could be considered ....
>spat blood

>>19270335
Wow wow wow, very allegorical Mr. Jordan! Bravo! Bravo!

>>19270335
Dude, it's almost as if time is supposed to be a flat circle or something.

Reading Malazan, at Deadhouse and
holy shit gods are such victims
>Oponn was literally bullied by Paran the whole of GofM
>Ammanas gives in to Rake's command even after the latter killed two of his beloved hounds
And now Fener gets pulled down and weakened by a guy touching his tattoos.

What other series like GoT or The Second Apocalypse have lots of well-fleshed out characters? Not just 4-5, but at least 10.

How can i download web novels?

>>19270618
Using the internet.

>>19270449
That gif lol

>>19270636
What site do you use

>>19270681
www.meatspin.com

>>19270690
Amazing site, I have spent hours there in my youth.

Reminder that you are not capable of interpreting/truly engaging with the masterworks of the fantasy genre if you are not familiar with
>The Iliad
>The Odyssey
>The Old Testament
>Beowulf
>The Mabinogion
>Le Morte d'Arthur
>The Faerie Queen
>Pilgrim's Progress
>The Thousand and One Nights

>>19270814
Eurocentric much?

>>19270814
>No Gilgamesh
all this list for nothing.

>>19270068
A 7-8/10 MOGS 99.99999% of living fantasy authors though. Obviously the greats are all better but who alive has written as good a story? Sanderson? Abercrombie?

>>19270814
>the old testament
It's time to stop posting Moshe.

>>19270814
Define familiar with

>>19270814
I haven't read any of those, not enough lens flair.

I really should read them, I mean I know the story's but more through reference.

There's something awe-inspiring about just how much material exists for stuff like Star Wars or Warhammer; 154 complete novels (so far) in Star Wars: Legends canon (not counting stuff like gamebooks or comics, either); over 200 in the Warhammer 40k canon; most of these books are utter shit but just the sheer amount of them is impressive. Coming close behind are things like Discworld and Xanth with about 40 books total (Xanth is absolute garbage though), farther behind that is Malazan with 24, Redwall with 22, then Wheel of Time with 15, Middle-Earth with about 10 (technically only 3, LOTR, The Hobbit, and the Silmarillion), Dune with 6, so on and so forth.

With the amount of dedicated fans these universes have, I'm surprised nobody's put together something like this
>The Archive Trawl with the greatest number of faithful participants is arguably the Daf Yomi ("Daily Folio") in which, by studying an entire densely-packed Talmud folio (both sides of a page) with commentaries an hour each day, one completes the entire Talmud (over sixty tractates, or three million words) in seven and a half years.
Can you imagine something like that for LOTR? The whole Silmarillion (followed by The Hobbit, then LOTR), followed by commentary from The History of Middle-Earth (The boxed set has 5,440 pages, while a standard edition of The Silmarillion has 384 pages, The Hobbit has 300, and LOTR has 1,209 pages, for a total of 1,893 pages of Middle-Earth canon; For every 2 pages of canon, you have about 3 pages of commentary; reading 2 pages of canon and 3 pages of commentary every day, you will finish in about 2.5 years).

>>19271384
Read Da Greeks

>>19271384
Ok so I did the math. On average, each of the Star Wars: Legends novels has, on average, 337 pages, some having as little as 256, others as much as 429. There are 154 adult canonical novels, for a total of roughly 52,000 (51,898) pages of canonical material (AGAIN, not counting comic books, gamebooks, etc). Holy fucking shit.

>>19270441
Jade beauty

>>19271384
>>19271460
You are either ignorant of or are exudunf various other shared worlds/universes that have as much as Warhammer or Star Wars. Then there are also the singular works of absurd length.

>>19271514
Excluding.

>>19271481
Jade comes in different colours, they probably mean mutton fat jade which is quite pale.

Including the audiodramas and short stories, there are 450+ works in 40k. This is excluding the short stories in the multiple magazines they ran (white dwarf for example, which has hundreds of issues, each containing stories of some kind).

Utter autism. Wonder how many it will be by the time I die.

>>19270976
When Kellhus was circumfixed, did he pee himself? He was hanging legs up so did the pee trickle on his face?

>>19270162
Mimara isn’t his daughter and he got horny cuz she reminded him of Esme also don’t question Bakker king of GRI DESTROYER OF LEFTISTS AND TROONS

>>19271537
You fundamentally misunderstand everything you've typed.

>>19270263
It says right there in the screenshot.

>>19271650
How?

>>19271525
I don't care. Whenever they write jade beauty I imagine a green girl and I crack up.

>>19271787
It's done for profit, not passion (autism). There are only so many because people buy them. Most only read a few and don't delve at all. The writers, who are work-for-hire, don't really care about it. It's just a job. You entirely romanticize it and see it in an idealized way.

>>19270943
Gaiman if we're talking broader fantasy and SF. Arguably GRRM depending on whether you find unfinishable clusterfuck plots or muh subversion more annoying.

>>19271860
Passion =/= autism. It sometimes does in le epik 4chan speak, but is far more often used to insult something. Autism is being used as an insult in this case, since I'm describing the situation surrounding the work as autistic, not the work itself.

>>19271931
Yet you wrote very little of the situation surrounding the works and almost entirely of the works themsleves. Where is the talk of the comprehensive wikis, the multitudinous fanfics? Where is anything said of the efforts of amateurs rather than professionals?

>>19271889
GRRM no, he is comfortably in the 'good but not great'. I guess Gaiman but I don't like any of his stuff bar Stardust (although I haven't given all his stuff a try). And for every Gaiman there are countless other bestsellers that are utter shit, which was more my point.

>>19271384
>most of these books are utter shit but just the sheer amount of them is impressive.
What a weird logic. One resource the world isn't lacking today is humans. Producing quantity of literature has long ceased to be an issue, especially for corporations behind shit like 40K or Star Wars. What's truly "awe"-inspiring is the total lack of talent within these vast commercialized factory-produced hordes of toilet paper scribbles. There are videogames with fully voiced scripts that dwarf War and Peace, there is crap like Homestuck, manga running for half a century, female-written pulp detectives that have teams of ghost writers dumping a new volume on the market every month, chinese novels, japanese eroges, endless barrage of shitty distractions blasting from every angle of every medium. If anything, quality has become a mark of trash, of low effort and market-oriented production rather than art. Accordingly, large fanbases are a thing to avoid, drooling masses of bottom feeders spending all their wages on the *produict* and getting excited for the next product.

>>19271961
My comment is entirely talking about the number of works, and how ridiculous(ly stupid) the number is. At no point do I touch on the morals or authenticity going into the books.

>>19271976
I'm not who you replied to.
>If anything, quality has become a mark of trash
You made an oopsie, though I assume most would read it as quantity anyway.

Yes, that's why stuff is called "artisanal", "small batch", and "handcrafted" and other stuff thst attempts to claim to be about quality over quantity.

Good post and not only because I agree with it.

>>19271984
Ok, but relatively speaking they aren't ridiculous in any way. So, it was ignorance as I originally said.

>>19272026
Not individually, but as a whole (which is what I was talking about) they are.

>>19270814
All except Mabinogion, but its on the list.

>>19272068
What is the correct way to read the Mabinogion?

>>19272089
The version illustrated by Alan Lee.

>>19272039
Not really. It would have to be uncommon for it to be.

How much incest do her works have?

>>19272026
you're arguing with someone who just wanted an excuse to post a fascist meme lol

>>19272532
Irrelevant

I just watched Dune 2021

It was ________alright

>>19272791
How was the dialogue? The trailer was very concerning.

>>19272791
Hey I just watched it as well, and then had to walk home because the multi storey car park shut because the movie is so long.
>>19272798
Yeah it's fine. Zendaya is barely in it.

>>19272798
The script is mostly fine, the main issue I have with the dialogue is how much of it is delivered at a near-whisper, and some of the ADR stands out. I'd guess it's already obvious from the trailers but Duncan is miscast and drags down almost every scene he's in

>>19272859
That's a relief. Perhaps I'll see it if it ever makes it to theaters here

>>19272859
>the main issue I have with the dialogue is how much of it is delivered at a near-whisper, and some of the ADR stands out
I hate when movies do that. to both of them.

all /sffg/ bros must brap

>>19273064
BRAPPER IS KANG

fuck you all /sffg/

What's some good, grand space exploration scifi? I've enjoyed some of Jack McDevitt's "Hutch" novels and the Hyperion Cantos.

>>19267634
The Tyrant Baru Cormorant - The Masquerade #3, Seth Dickinson
Unlike this previous two, this entry is told through a frame story. As with any frame story it's always unclear just how reliable or accurate the narrator is being, but I didn't see any reason to not believe what was being told. I don't think there would be any point to do so aside from speculation anyway. This book was better than the second, though not anywhere as enjoyable for me as the first, as it becomes ever more different from how it started. Some would call that evolution and others would say it's a bait and switch. My thoughts fall somewhere between. None of the characters particularly interest me, which is the greatest limitation on my enjoyment of this series. I was glad to see that the "A Story of Ash" split narrative was greatly reduced in overall length, as it was the low point of both the previous book and this one as well. For the first half or so, Baru continues on being ever more disabled, and I continued to be unable to appreciate that. The organization introduced in the second book was rather a let down to me, though I think that was also intentional. The last third changes pace and becomes less action oriented and more focused on infodumping and discussing ideas. I didn't mind that, though I wondered if it really needed to be such a discrete change. By the end, Baru has had, depending on how it's defined, sex with four women, teased a fifth, pines after a sixth, and promises to soon have as much sex as possible with as many women as possible.Considering how conveniently this book ends, it could've easily have been a trilogy, but the epilogue sets up a fourth. In terms of the narrative I find this to be rather odd, because I feel like it'll be more the first book of a new trilogy rather than the fourth. Even though the author says the next book is the final one, it just doesn't feel right. I would've been entirely satisfied with this as the final book, though I'm also interested in what possibly could happen with the fourth.
Rating: 3/5

>>19273310
Oops, that should be:
The Tyrant Baru Cormorant, The Masquerade #3 - Seth Dickinson (2020)

>>19273310
>a good review in this arid shithole
how

pretty much agree on all points. book 2 felt cobbled together. author clearly struggling with contractual obligations and (judging by his social media presence which he has since scoured clean) depression as well. book 3 feels less like a shaggy dog story, has a few more cathartic moments but it also ties a few plotlines up in the weirdest fucking way. the cliffhanger at the end of book 2 (and the lesbian terminator character named Tain Shir) don't amount to anything.

I'm not sure whether to think of Traitor as a singular stroke of genius (or at least quality in a genre almost completely devoid of it), or just something we would have seen more of if the author had either gotten the time to write his sequels or managed it properly

>>19270866

The thousand and one nights are from the MIDDLE EAST. Aladdin, Sinbad and Alibaba all come from this story collection.

>>19273335
I've been using this tripcode since 2019 and posting "reviews" here since almost that time. I'm glad you liked it. There's a couple hundred more posted in the thread archives and 350 or so in my profile in the GR group. I think I've become more proficient in writing them over time, or at the least, it's become easier. The earliest ones and various others one are kind of a mess though, and not of them are "proper reviews" by any means.

>>19273383
Yes, and so is The Old Testament. 2/9 is 22%. 78% of something is still centered on whatever it is. It doesn't have to be 100%.

>>19273388
not sure why you'd put "reviews" in scare quote when you literally gave the book a score
still, I'm surprised I've missed them. I'll keep an eye out though

>>19273401
I usually call them write-ups and I don't think that "" always has mean scare quotes. I still tend think of reviews more as of a professional endeavor of criticism, or at least at something least pretending to be a bit more than entirely personal opinion. Is that silly of me? Yeah, probably is.

You can see the ones posted in the thread here, which is most of the SFF I've read since doing this. I've made some changes to some of them since posting them here though.
>>/lit/?task=search2&search_tripcode=SFFG.n1h7M
The non-SFF stuff and others are in the GR group. My profile will be obvious upon joining.

>>19268036
Stellar Transformations has had stronger, more immersive books, at orders of magnitude longer than Cradle entries, than Cradle so far. What a world. How will Lindon scrape the ground with his forehead in this one?

Is Moorcock's Runestaff stuff worth a read? I loved Elric.

>>19268013
The Mech Touch, you might not like it but if you need something to read

>>19273642
Oh yeah and it's a webnovel so its for a specific type of person as I said

>fantasy book
>black people only exist in one place on the map
>just a cheap africa copy and paste
it's all so tiresome

>>19273698
It's even better when you get a space opera where black people are confined to a single planet and behave like violent shamans

>>19273698
Why wouldn't that that be case? Most countries are still entirely homogeneous. If it's weren't for slavery and the relative ease of modern transportation that would still be the case.

>>19273698
where else would blacks be?

>>19273727
nonexistent

If anybody read the final books, how did Shannara ultimately end?

>>19271973
Gaiman has excellent prose - you should definitely give him a chance. His best work imo are his short story collections - Fragile Things and Smokes and Mirrors are 10/10.

fucking trash. guess that's why he called it that yeah i know it's a keats poem dufus

>>19273792
He is quite left leaning though and seems to be the kind of person sffg loves to hate on

>>19273792
someone post the first sentance of american gods please

>>19273727
hegemonic
anyone well enough versed in history knows that this could have been the case

Qin Yu was able to clearly hear the conversation of the people not far away from him. This Divine Energy piercing through the body actually did not affect him at all. The reason why others were in pain was because of the struggle between their body’s original energy with the Divine Energy.

Once the Divine Energy entered into the body, it would exterminate all of the previous energy within the body and then reside within the body and gather within the dantian area.

However, what about Qin Yu?

He had directly hidden the Nine Steps Force and the Gold Force inside his Stellar Space. Without any energy obstructing the Divine Energy, it effortlessly flowed through Qin Yu’s body. Thus, Qin Yu naturally would not be in pain.

Others had spent an hour. However, Qin Yu had spent six entire hours now accepting the Divine Energy into his body. Yet, Qin Yu was still absorbing even more Divine Energy into his body….

“Mn?”

At a certain moment, Qin Yu suddenly sensed that the Divine Energy that was flowing within his body actually brought about a very large repressive sensation. Qin Yu had a feeling that if he were to continue to absorb Divine Energy, his body would break apart.

“Huff!” The ray of Divine Energy that had been unceasingly piercing into Qin Yu’s body had voluntarily severed itself.

Qin Yu’s body was also pushed away by the Ascension Pond. Involuntarily, he had arrived on the shore beside the Ascension Pond.

“This Divine Realm is truly unusual.” Once he reached the shore, Qin Yu sensed a binding from the Divine Realm. This extremely steady space had brought Qin Yu a lot of suppression.

>>19273814
Noughts & Crosses
A novel series that was adapted into a TV series where black people are hegemonic.

Is it just me or does this seem really badly translated? It comes across clunky as fuck. Cool story though

>>19273818
Damn this is the work that kills Cradle?

>>19270538
wait till u hear bout crippled god

>>19273562
>>19273818
Can Will Wight ever recover?

>>19273836
I thought it was okay - similarly thought it was clunky but attributed it more to the limitations of translating from Chinese to English. I imagine any other translator would not have done a better job.

>>19273884
Now that I think about it, you know what geniunely amuses me? I'm reasonably certain that Qin Yu has not kowtowed one single time.

>>19273847
WELCOME TO JACKASS
I'M KARSA ORLONG
AND THIS IS HOW TO SLAY A GOD

>>19273902
Lindon has turned apologizing into a passive aggressive art form.

>>19267634
I'm looking for some SFF horror novels.

Requirements:
Fantasy, Science Fiction, or Speculative Horror
Novel

Preferred:
You've read it

Excluded:
Basically any very popular author because I've probably already looked at them.
Anything frequently mentioned in /sffg/

Thank you.

>>19269692
Truth Shines, brother

>>19273955
Warlord Chronicles feels like constant existential dread. That's the best I can do for you.

I want to hold Serwë's hand!!!!!!

>>19274275
I want to hold all 16 of Yerin's hands!

>>19273803
I'm reading through Smoke and Mirrors right now and there's a story about a drug that lets you switch sexes. This is portrayed in a balanced way -some religious groups accept it, some do not. A woman who can tell birth sex by sight gets beaten up.

>>19267634
What are the best fairy tale books or stories inspired by fairy tales SFFG?

>>19273803
He is jewish, what do you expect?

How good is this book?

>>19274397
I really liked The Color Master by Aimee Bender, I found it on the Selected Shorts podcast

>>19274648
It has a unique setting and some excellent ideas that benefit from the writer's scientific (biologist I think) background. As always, Adrian has brilliant prose. The ending is a bit of a letdown. Id say its a very solid 8.5/10 book.

>>19273955
Michael Cisco

>>19274703
Do you recommend a specific book?

>>19270260
lmao well done.

>>19271616
Underrated post.

>>19273955
I have a list of novels already, but I don't want to read any of them particularly. I thought about putting it up for a vote, but I don't think I actually want to spend the time on something that I probably won't be enjoying. I think I'll give up again on anything horror related again for now. That seems most likely anyway.

Fuck the anon that trolled me into reading this piece of shit novel.

>>19274955
Bad YA novel trying too hard to be edgy

>>19274955
>he didn't judge it by its cover
ngmi

>>19274955
Read Bakker, you idiot.

>>19274648
Good I read it just because pewds recommend it

>>19274995
Ok, I give in. I'm buying the e-books now from Amazon.

What can I expect?

>>19274995
Now im worried anything you fuckers recommend is a meme.

>>19275004

>>19275008
Meme quality and quantity are usually good indicators of how good an author is on /sffg/. The book you posted is written by a literal Who.

>>19275008
a lot of the more popular contemporary fantasy is YA stuff, all of similar quality. bakker is memed like crazy here but the books are genuinely good, as are the other meme books like book of the new sun. new bad old good is unfortunately true a lot of the time, with exceptions

>author has goodreads account
>hundreds of reviews
>they're all 5 star reviews
For what purpose? How are you supposed to read your favorite author's favorite books if he's essentially using the thumbs up/down system?

>>19275042
Ive read the book of the new sun, so I know thats exceptional. However, some books like the Wheel of Time are enjoyable reads and are seen as shit-tier by most users here.
This Mark Lawrence book is beyond bad, even for a YA novel.

>>19275020
why the mean post

>>19275064
The Wheel of Time has almost no redeeming qualities. It's genuinely a borefest for the sake of milking fans' wallets.

>>19274995
Fuck off fatty. Never happening

>>19275084
>Implying you can.

>>19275008
How can you even be posting here if you haven't read Bakker?

>>19275102
The gay sex, cuckholding and the fact that Bakker is a left-wing incel kills my interest.

Is Dune comfy?
I tried it when I was 15 but I didn't like how the protagonist was very young so gave up
My favourite fantasy/sci fi series/books are Lord of the Rings, The Hobbit, Lud in the Mist and the Wizard of Earthsea trilogy

>>19275135
>when I was
>implying you aren't still

>>19275131
This is not how you false-flag.

>>19275131
>Imagine being afraid of any of those things

You need to be 18 to post here.

>>19275143
I’m 26 unfortunately was born in 1995 :(
I’m just a bit immature for my age i’m really embarrassed if that came out in my text it’s a huge insecurity I have people think i’m much younger than I am through text and physically and it hurts me

>>19275143
I’m 26 unfortunately was born in 1995 :(
I remember when I tried reading dune cause it was a year after my dad died in an industrial accident and he loved that book
I’m just a bit immature for my age i’m really embarrassed if that came out in my text it’s a huge insecurity I have people think i’m much younger than I am through text and physically and it hurts me

>>19275176
You are too easily hurt to stay on this site.

>>19275135
The first book is a classic, but it's also one of those deals like Lord of the Rings or Harry Potter where you can just watch the old Sci-Fi Channel mini series or even the 80s movie and basically get the same experience as reading the book.

>>19275135
>My favourite fantasy/sci fi series/books are Lord of the Rings, The Hobbit
Yeah maybe Harry Potter would be more your speed

>>19270335
There is literally nothing wrong with that, and I say this as an atheist.
Sigh, but let me guess, the issue here is DA JOOS, right?

>>19275498
>how many levels of fedora are you on, my dude

>>19275005
great prose, very dark world, great worldbuilding

>>19275005
report back as you finish books or read a few hundred pages please, I would enjoy reading your reactions and theories as of what is to come

>>19275064
the nuke and other modern technology thing like the gun and gps thing he gets is cool

>>19275498
Butthurt jew detected

>>19268013
Thomas Covenant. The first two trilogies only.

>>19269510
It'd be funny seeing these massive copes for wasting so much time on something so clearly mediocre even by you people who supposedly like Stormlight, but after like the thousandth time it's lost what little charm it ever had.

>>19275657
>t.reddit

>>19275042
>new bad old good is unfortunately true a lot of the time, with exceptions
This is mostly the case because none of the new stuff has managed to survive the test of time yet. Anyone who thinks there weren't just as many shitty books back in the day is just a retard. They've just been long forgotten, as will most of the current shitty stuff in time. The genuinely good stuff will always survive through various decades of scrutiny and curation, beyond just trends of the time. I've never read an old famous book that was outright bad, even if I didn't personally particularly enjoy it. Even if the style, themes or attitudes expressed seem outdated, there was clearly talent married with passion for artistry behind the work, and most people can at least pick up on that on some level.

>>19276235
This. It's called canonisation.

>The prose in this book and philosophy themes are stunning!
>I rate this book 2/5. Would not recommend.

Extremely comfy. Like what little of Drake's other work I've read, it's not a novel but a collection of short stories that make a larger story.
The body swap at the end makes him lose his magic. Does that mean the guy that got his body got his magic?

>>19274995
Based and truth-pilled.

>>19265348
What if Kellhus Allowed the Apocalypse to happen on purpose in order to weaken the Gods? Which is why Ajokli is mad?

>>19271384
>Dune with 6
If you don't care for quality, it's 31, not including the short story collections.

>>19276434
why orange man bad but orange woman good?

>>19276570
That seems like a mosaic novel to me.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mosaic_novel

what if Kellhus was trans? like if the no god forced estrogen on him, would he still be based?

>>19276869
He would be De-Based

>>19273310
i dropped the series on the second book even though I enjoyed the first. Not surprised the third is a mess.

>>19271630
How the fuck is she not his daughter? I read everything up the the last word of The Unholy Consult, and nowhere was it evident that she wasn't his daughter, unless of course you say that children of whores have no fathers.

>>19274397
Lyonesse

>>19276793
Yeah, that sounds about right. I don't know why it names The Moonstone as an example, I thought that was an epistolary.
Anyway, Drake did the same thing with Ranks of Bronze, about a Roman legion getting enslaved by aliens and made to fight low tech alien races. I know there's some tactics autists that hang around here, I recommend that one.

I have about 20k words of my novel ready and readable, of course not including the backstage draft of the rest of my stuff.

Would anyone be interested to read?

>>19273709
>>19273727
gonna make a series where 95% of the world is either black, arab, or latino and all whites are violent viking savages confined to a single island and give no further explanation as to why.

>>19276948
quick rundown please

>>19277015
I'll just post the synopsis I have on Royal Road if it's at all ok with you, without going into too muh detail
>During a night chase, the animal Ssyba is poisoned, assaulted from the cover of darkness and left dying in the streets. But as consciousness streams from the head wound, she is met with a destiny that she can't deny. With meticulous methods and great ambition, Ssyba will stop at nothing to achieve her own ends and overcome the many enemies along the true path to heaven.

>>19276199
Chaim, I haven't been on reddit since before the markdown Jew gassed himself, but your seething is appreciated.

>>19276957
I dunno if you really wanna step to Urusla K le Guin your first time out.

>published in 2008
>story contains pandemic starting out in China in 2019

>>19276885
Pretty sure he met esme before she had the whole thing with selling out mimara. He also mentioned that mimara’s skin is lighter than both of them.

Also he obviously lies about her being his daughter to skin eaters to prevent them raping her

Anything character driven fantasy you guys could recommend?
As for the the things I've read so far, Joe Abercrombie is probably my favorite author, read all nine books in the First Law series. Read the Mistborn trilogy, didn't make me want to read anything by Sanderson ever again. Witcher and Riyria sagas were allright. Just finished the first book of the Powder Mage trilogy, but it felt so lackluster I don't think I'm reading them further. Tried reading Malazan and the Elric saga a bit, but something in the prose just turns me off.

>>19277244
I was going to say something snarky, but then I realized you probably hadn't been born yet.

>>19277294
You have shit taste.

>>19277294
There's nothing here for you until you read Bakker. Unironically

>>19277294
>abercrombie
Is he actually good? I've gone fairly far down the sf iceberg without reading his stuff yet.

>>19277363
He's a hack.

>>19277363

He improves as a writer over the series. The First Law trilogy, meaning the three first in the series suffer from having one particular one note character who you wish never existed. But Glokta and Ninefingers chapters are great, he does a good job of developing secondary characters that become relevant later on and the overall pacing works. The plotting has characters failing or getting surprised just enough that it creates some actual tension about how the events are about to unfold.

>>19275369
>where you can just watch [...] and basically get the same experience as reading the book.

>>19273802
I'm curious why you didn't like it. I couldn't put the damn thing down.

>>19273836
>>19273899
I think a lot of the perceived clunkiness can be attributed to unrecognized cultural differences too. but damn, what a cool trilogy

Have you read it? What did you think? I'm getting close to finishing the third and I'm glad I stuck through the boring second book to get here.

>>19277458
I hate this entire design

>>19273562
I eat tomatoes is just a bad author, there simply no flow to anything that he writes. I really don't understand how he became so popular.
The problem with cradle is that while it started out well, there is simply too much romance and too much attention given to females, I started reading bloodlines and dropped it after few chapters because it was just those females from asura(?) clan and others talking non stop and making all the decisions (retarded decisions) while Lindon got reduced to a background character. It completely turned into young teen male-female drama with eastern cultivation elements. This would have never happened in genuine chinese xanxia.

>>19277502
I think it looks nice. Although I think it would have looked nicer if they had kept the background color consistent with that off-white on the first book

>>19277052
>ssyba
Sounds like some african sheebona

>her
dropped

>>19277363
He is alright, some of his characters are really good. You have to grit your teeth through some of them though.

Protip: You can always tell how cucked an author is by their willingness or refusal to have stupid female characters. Abercrombie has plenty of dumb and retarded men, but not a single female character isn’t 100% clued the fuck up.

>>19277669
So that means he's maximum cucked?

>>19277692
Yeah. Its a pity because I really liked reading Logan, Luthar, and Gorst PoVs. Don't mind Ferro, but Savine and Rikker became a bit too much for me.

>>19276570
>Like what little of Drake's other work I've read, it's not a novel but a collection of short stories that make a larger story.
I love that. Thanks for the rec.

>>19277706
Can't all be Bakker.

>>19277706

Ferro sank down the quality of the first trilogy considerably for me. Rikke felt out of place, like a modern art hoe shoved 150 years back in time. But I don't really dislike his other female characters with a viewpoint.

Read book 1 of the 'New Sun' quartet. It was pretty decent, definitely picked up after Severian got kicked out of the 'tower' but never quite became great. I guess I will read the rest of the books
off-topic but are there any lesser known websites/boards that are usable in 2021? I mainboard /sci/ and /fit/ and they have become... less than usable in the past few months with constant threads about vaccines

>>19277735
Truth Shines

>reach the most climactic moment in the series after 3 previous books
>time-skips over it
why gene...

anyway looking forward to short sun since it's rumored to feature more of our favorite 2 headed tyrant.

I've finally reached the infamous scene in the fifth WoT book where Nynaeve and Egwene meet in the dream world.
One thing I noticed as soon as I started digging through online discussions is that Egwene is one of the most hated characters, and that scene is often mentioned when people give their reasons as to why, both because of what happens in the scene itself and also because it allegedly sums up Egwene's "awful" personality. Having finally read it I can say she definitely was in the wrong *partially*, but I still don't see how she is supposed to be such a terrible person. I've seen people call her all sorts of things, from sociopath to sadistic, and unless she changes completely in the rest of the books, I'm going to dismiss those claims as bullshit, as I suspected they were since book 2.
I think the real reasons people hate Egwene lie elsewhere. She is clearly an ambitious young woman, and that much is clear from the very beginning of the story. I suspect that doesn't sit right with many young men who I'm sure make up the bulk of the readers. Then once you dislike a character it's easy to reinforce the sentiment over thousands and thousands of pages, and, unlike Moiraine from what I could gather Egwene never really humbles herself and starts sucking Rand's dick, whether literally or metaphorically.

>>19277294
>moorcocks prose turns you off
NGMI. Also read Bakker.

Has anybody seen much of Gregory Saddler's video series on Speculative fiction and philosophy? His Dying Earth video contained very little discussion of philosophy but I really enjoyed his discussion of Vance's biography and how he went in depth into how heavily Vance influenced Gary Gygax when he was creating Dungeons and Dragons.

>>19277405
I liked the first two a lot but fuck the ending to the third, my boy deserved better

>>19277052
Synopsis needs work, it's clunky. I'm intrigued though, let's have it.

>>19277857
The trade off is maybe a few posts per day, if that.

should I try and find the earliest edition of LoTR I can get my hands or, or there's a definitive edition?

>>19278244
If you have the spare dosh, I would get the set with the illustrations by Alan Lee. I don't think there's any reason to go for an earlier edition.

Is hunting for specific editions even a thing for SF books written after 1900? Other than vajazzled gift sets and what have you.

>>19278063
Waste of Time.

>>19277669
Most fantasy writers can't write realistic characters. I was not really inclined to read Ambercrombie but I'll never will after reading your post.

>>19278457
Oh boy new art. Bakker deserves it

>>19278517
The personality type of a fantasy/sci-fi writer is the typical introvert convention goer geek. A lot of them are also poorly educated with regards to actual literature. There is a reason why this genre is looked down upon among literary circles.

>>19269896
>sweat stains
Disgusting

How did Paul and his armies travel the galaxy during his Jihad? Why would the Guild transport them?

The only thing I can think of is:
Paul was close enough to being a Navigator himself that he didn't need a Guild Navigator
Paul threatened to halt all Spice production unless they gave into his demands.

>>19278568
>Paul threatened to halt all Spice production unless they gave into his demands.
which is exactly what he did to become emperor
how is this even a question

>>19278574
because the Guild and the other houses still had massive caches of spice. The guild could simply block all communication from Arrakis while building up an invading army composed of Sardukar and the other Noble Houses.

>>19278579
and then the family atomics go off

>>19270441
>The mantis stalks the cicada unaware of the oriole behind
>Birds die for food, men die for money
>A toad wishing to eat swan meat

What is everyone's thoughts on Raymond Feist and the Riftwar shit? I read a few of them and sort of like it so far.

>>19276957
so do it then

>>19278674
All I remember about them was enjoying the first one but thinking the second was really crappy.

>>19278520
that's like at least 5 years old you nimrod. nobody with talent gives 2 shits about bakker anymore, including him

>>19278579
they did not, in fact, have massive caches of spice, and Paul literally threatened to destroy sandworms and all new spice unless he became emperor

this was extremely clear in the last 40 or so pages of the book, did you just not read it?

There have been so many books where in the acknowledgments the author thanks so so many people. This is the problem with self-published books. It is almost always only the author. Institutional support is very helpful, let alone having a host of proficient beta readers. So many other authors help as well. A traditionally published can easily have 25+, if not 100+, people involved. How can a single person compete against that?

>>19278950
>Book reads "Thanks /sffg/ on 4chan's /lit/ board where I had fun shitposting about bakker constantly"
post you're face

>>19276885
IIRC Esmi sold her daughter before she ever met Akka.

>>19278063
Egwene gets worse and worse as the series progresses and she never gets the comeuppance she much deserves.

I want to smell Serwë's hair!!!

>>19274648
The story point is too hamfisted at the end, i also didnt like nonhumans at all.

>>19279314
>The story point is too hamfisted at the end
Explain how it was ham-fisted? It didn't feel like it to me.

>>19279334
The massive human hateboner the author has isnt hamfisted?

>>19279339
I thought it was original, but rather depressive.

>>19279339
I was more bothered by the fact that the characters were underdeveloped.

Is worm by wildbow any good? How about his other web novels.

>>19277953
Short Sun is the worst of the 3 when it comes to completely omitting scenes that should be climactic or that the audience is invested in

>>19279376
>Is worm by wildbow any good?
Story isn't any good and it feels like is edgy for the sake of edginess. Don't know about his other stories.

>>19279376
I'd call it a guilty pleasure, but even then I didn't enjoy it that much.

Despite being edgy, juvenile, overly long and messy it does at least have a few good ideas

>>19279376
that twist with the naked zebra chick was so stupid.

>>19279389
>>19279398
Kinda got that vibe when I keep seeing people tout it as realistic or something. Is it still worth reading?

>>19279412
I get the feel the author read hxh and was like hmm can i make this but with a dash of superhero tropes with an angsty female mc for extra sjw points

>>19279412
Given it's length, not really. You can always just start reading and stop when it gets too much. If you're just after some edgy, gritty superhero shlock you can always watch the first season of The Boys

>>19279416
Worm was written before the SJW though.

>>19279423
>You can always just start reading and stop when it gets too much.
Is the beginning even worth starting?

>>19279434
No. Main Character somehow survives against a harden criminal despite being a newbie with zero experience.

>>19279416
Backstory for the story also doesn’t make any sense whatsoever. Also, wildbow geopolitical understand doesn’t make sense and puts him a low-key racist.

>>19279423
The incest subplot was nice.

New thread
>>19279455

>>19279454
what kinda incest

>>19279460
two sisters

>>19279460
The adoptive kind. Also rape kind. And blood-related kind.

>>19279461
>>19279464
cringe, /ss/ or its shit

>>19279461
Wasn't there also a rural cult that let cousins and siblings get together for some fucked up reason?

>>19279412
I'd say its the best treatment of superheroes and also pretty good for sffg type genre fiction (neither are high bars). The author is an annoying canadian and none of his other works are worth reading (ive tried and dropped them all since I enjoyed worm) including the worm sequel. Definitely read the first few arcs before you make a final judgement because the beginning of is very misleading as to the tone/themes.

>>19279472
yes i think so but it wasnt a focus in worm. I think it gets more focus in the sequel but the sequel is absolute shit so I don't really know

>>19279480
Is the sequel that bad?

>>19279492
[spoilers] yes. Its just constant faggy trauma discourse with a much less interesting protaganist/storyline/characters [/spoiler]