/lit/ - Literature

>>19260667
None.

Ion Agârbiceanu

>>19260667
Seraphim Rose
St. Basil
St. Gregory of Nyssa
St. Gregory of Nazianzus

>>19260746
fpbp, if there's anything that Catholics and "Orthodox" desperately need to be reading it's the Holy Bible.

>>19260746
>>19261183
t. demons

>>19260667
David Bentley Heart

Way of the Pilgrim is the best orthodox book i ever read, the writer is unknown

>>19262521
>universal salvationist
"no"

>>19262521
This

Start here OP:
https://www.firstthings.com/article/2003/10/christ-and-nothing

t.Catholic

>>19260667
Father Spyridon, he sells on amazon

>>19261183
Did you know that its read during every liturgy and we are told by many many saints to read the bible daily?

>>19262724
Call no man Father. Do more digging on the claims in his Satan book, you'll find falsehood after falsehood. We're talking about a man who straight face claims to own slivers of Lazarus' bones and the actual cross of crucifixion. You can get both on eBay all day long for about $400.

>>19262756
Jay Dyer is the best

>>19262802
The best at talking for two hours while only saying two minutes of actual point.

>>19262852
>t. guy who poops his pants then eats it

>>19262730
Revelation is not read in "liturgy" and Revelation tells you that those who read it and hear it being read are blessed so "Orthodox" are not blessed.

>>19263047
how did you reach that conclusion from those premises

>>19263075
1) "Orthodox" do not rea Revelation in "liturgy".
2) " Revelation tells you that those who read it and hear it read (which means aloud) are blessed.
therefore
3) "Orthodox" are not blessed.

>>19260667
hehe bershidsky
shid
lol
like shidding my pantz

>>19262756
This looks potentially interesting on one hand but on the other hand like boomer-tier "SATAN MESSAGES IN TEH ROCK N ROLL MUSICS" shit

Also Jay Dyer is the prototypical embodiment of the obnoxious militant orthodox larper stereotype, to the point where I don't even know if it'd be a stereotype if not for him.

>>19262750
>"Hey, fa—I mean, guy that fucked my mom, how've you been?"

>>19263095
Not him but I do t see how that follows. People who read it are seaid to be blessed, but that doesn’t mean if you don’t read it you are not blessed. If he said it was the ONLY way to be blessed, or said if you didn’t read it you were not blessed, you would have a point.

>>19263220
The Apostles told us secretly outside the Bible, it's sacred tradition. The Catholics and Orthodox do not know it because they weren't told because they are fake and gay.

>>19260667
What other anons mentioned, and
St. John of Damascus.
St. Maximos the Confessor.
St. Ignatius (Brianchaninov) (Dostoevsky's contemporary, very good for our troubled times).
St. Sophrony (Sakharov) (he was into Eastern stuff before he became a monk, so good for the modern Americans troubled by the advent of New-age).
Hieromatryr Daniel Sysoev is a very good modern author too. One of the few who were deeply Christian from childhood, who doesn't care about conforming to modernity and just speaks how Christian saints have spoken in more traditional times.

>>19263122
>"SATAN MESSAGES IN TEH ROCK N ROLL MUSICS"
Based. Pic related spoke about it too. That rhythm-heavy music is of a demonic nature, one which uses drums extensively and such.

>>19263276
>god suffers
OK patripassian heretic.

>>19260667
Dostoevsky

>>19263372
>Noo it was a different subject that suffered! It was the historical Jesus! The Logos can't suffer bro this is illogical!
OK Nestorian monophysite heretic.

But seriously though, what do you mean? God suffered because Christ is God and action of suffering was experienced by the divine Logos kin His human nature), the other hypostases do not suffer because their mode of existence is only in one nature.

>>19263418
Man the trinity is such total gobbledygook

>>19263570
>Man the trinity is such total gobbledygook

>>19260667
All of them.

>>19263581
Mark 10:18: Jesus said to him, “Why do you call me good? No one is good but God alone.

>>19263581
Is the implication of this image that the figures in DMT trips are demons trying to steal your soul?

>>19263763
Yes. Absolutely.

>>19262447
Polytheist and heretical

>>19260667
>another polytheist thread
Remember that /lit/ is a monotheist board dedicated in love to the one true God

>>19263995
Based, inshallah!

>>19263995
Alhamdulillah!

>>19263122
>This looks potentially interesting on one hand but on the other hand like boomer-tier "SATAN MESSAGES IN TEH ROCK N ROLL MUSICS" shit
So the book's basically a collection of essays of varying quality, but he does a good job approaching the films with the authorial intent of each in mind rather than some grand unified conspiracy theory about the Illuminati or whatever. His essay on Prometheus, if I recall correctly, addresses the films' underlying themes of transhumanism and the theory of intelligent design by way of panspermia, and he ties these ideas to their origins in the occult scene. But, like I said, the quality of each essay varies, and some are more insightful than others.

>>19263122
Jay Dyer is incredibly based because he managed to see through the deceptions and find the truth, and he even took other people with him. Not many Americans will be able to do this, sadly. But the number is increasing.

>>19263995
This, Mary fucked.

>>19260667
>>19260793
Rod Dreher is where you should start with Orthodoxy.

>>19262538
This one is great. Relatively short as well.
>>19261183
Very true. Daily if you can build a habit. Also the Psalms and a bit from the Philokalia.

I personally think it's cringe to get too into theology/philosophical debate without first learning about God and the simplicity of Orthodox living.

Nobody has yet said St. Theophan the Recluse. He is wonderful and very practical.

>>19263122
You mostly see ''militant orthodox larper stereotype'' in American cultural sphere. The orthodox people from elsewhere are much more chill. Its just one of many ways burgers are obnoxious and loud.

>>19263122
Looking at some of his videos I can't help but be reminded of early 2010's Atheism ecelebs. He definitely knows his stuff about Orthodoxy though

Stay away from ecelebs

>>19260667
Beginner Tier and Absolutely Necessary

Kallistos Ware - Orthodox Way/ History of the church
Seraphim Rose - God's Revelation to the human heart
St Paisios - Spiritual Councils
Elder Thaddeus - Our thoughts determine our lives
St Theophan the Recluse - the spiritual life

Orthodoxy is all about practice. Leave the fathers for a bit, youll come back to them eventually, but they will be closed to you if you are not illuminated. Id recommend these as they are all very practical and useful

>>19264815
Why Kallistos when there are plenty of other ways to know the history of the Church? Once upon a time the guy may have had it together, but he doesn't now, and the seeds of his wayward views are likely present even in his early work. If you're "not sure" about female priests, you're not Orthodox.

>>19263095
The Russian Orthodox do.

>>19265592
>The strongest evidence that the book of Revelation is not canonical in the Orthodox Church is that it is not publicly read in the Orthodox Church. The only exceptions to this are some Alexandrian churches and the monastery on the Isle of Patmos itself. Following the lectionary of the Orthodox Church, one reads through the entirety of the New Testament each year, except for the book of Revelation.

https://blogs.ancientfaith.com/wholecounsel/2018/08/15/is-the-book-of-revelation-canonical-in-the-orthodox-church/

>>19265643
There's nothing stopping an Orthodox Christian from reading Revelation aloud with others in their home and benefiting from it, provided they all possess the appropriate theological grounding. The book is still considered to be part of the Bible and divinely inspired by Orthodox. Your argument has not merit.

>>19265769
The entire NT is read on the "Orthodox" "Church™" except for the one book which plainly states that those who read and hear it read are blessed. Meanwhile, the liturgical prayers literally beg Mary to "save us", and the entire liturgical calendar *begins and ends* with Mary rather than Christ (whom is the Alpha and Omega, which we know from Revelation). I regret to inform you that you are in a Babylonian Satanic pagan "church" that was deceived by Satan very early on. You are faced with the choice of either doubling down and facing the wrath, or repenting and coming out of her (Revelation 18:4).

>>19265794
>The entire NT is read on the "Orthodox" "Church™" except for the one book which plainly states that those who read and hear it read are blessed.
This does nothing to refute my point. There is nothing stopping Orthodox Christians from reading Revelation aloud. It is considered to be a divinely inspired book and is a part of the Bible.
>the liturgical prayers literally beg Mary to "save us"
https://blogs.ancientfaith.com/asd/2015/01/29/can-virgin-mary-save-us/

>>19265794
This is why when people tell me to go to Church to meet a good girl or something else I tell them I'll never do it.

The only Pastor I know who gets it right is Sanderson and he's been banned from literally everywhere. He's banned from Europe and half of the first world countries. Nonetheless he errs in positing faith without works, when it is clearly both that matters.

For this reason I'm sola scriptura and will never go to Church. Even the better ones obviously exclude the scriptures that preach the truth about our world and society. Yes, they run "Love Jesus 24/7" but they'll rarely read what the Bible says about sodomites, fags, racemixers, gluttons, etc. If they do they'll gloss over it to focus on their hippie Jesus obsession once more.

>>19265821
Posting links to "Fathers" (Matt 23:9) serpent twisting everything will never change the fact that your "church" worships Mary and is Satanic paganism. I've already read countless articles on these subjects yet the facts always remain facts, truth is truth. Come out of her or perish with her.

>>19265833
>I'm sola scriptura
Why? The traditions of the Church precede the collation of the Bible. Indeed, the Bible itself arose out of the traditions of the early Church via the intercession of the Holy Spirit. For many, many years Christians had nothing but the oral Gospels and the traditions to rely upon because the religion was hidden and persecuted. You're willing to treat the Bible as divinely inspired yet you somehow think you know more about the Church and the right way to worship than the men who were inspired to bring the Bible together in the first place. It's incoherent.

>>19265838
>NOOOO! YOU CAN'T SAY THAT PEOPLE CAN SAVE PEOPLE
>here are a few quotes from the NT itself stating that people can indeed save people
>NOOOOO YOU'RE TWISTING THINGS - YOU NEED TO ACCEPT MY INTERPRETATION
You have no argument. There is no twisting whatsoever - I simply linked you to the plain words of the authors of the NT. You have given me no reason to adhere to your tortured and faulty personal interpretation which in fact denies what Paul, James and Jude are saying here.

>>19265838
>"Fathers"
Read:
>Some Protestants argue that this usage changed with the New Testament—that while it may have been permissible to call certain men “father” in the Old Testament, since the time of Christ, it’s no longer allowed. This argument fails for several reasons.
>First, the imperative “call no man father” does not apply to one’s biological father. It also doesn’t exclude calling one’s ancestors “father,” as is shown in Acts 7:2, where Stephen refers to “our father Abraham,” or in Romans 9:10, where Paul speaks of “our father Isaac.”
>Second, there are many examples in the New Testament of the term “father” being used as a form of address and reference, even for men who are not biologically related to the speaker. There are, in fact, so many uses of “father” in the New Testament, that the objection to Catholics calling priests “father” must be wrong, as we shall see.
>Third, a careful examination of the context of Matthew 23 shows that Jesus didn’t intend for his words here to be understood literally. The whole passage reads, “But you are not to be called ‘rabbi,’ for you have one teacher, and you are all brethren. And call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven. Neither be called ‘masters,’ for you have one master, the Christ” (Matt. 23:8–10).
>The first problem is that although Jesus seems to prohibit the use of the term “teacher,” in Matthew 28:19–20, Christ himself appointed certain men to be teachers in his Church: “Go therefore and make disciples of all nations . . . teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you.” Paul speaks of his commission as a teacher: “For this I was appointed a preacher and apostle . . . a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and truth” (1 Tim. 2:7); “For this gospel I was appointed a preacher and apostle and teacher” (2 Tim. 1:11). He also reminds us that the Church has an office of teacher: “God has appointed in the church first apostles, second prophets, third teachers” (1 Cor. 12:28); and “his gifts were that some should be apostles, some prophets, some evangelists, some pastors and teachers” (Eph. 4:11). There is no doubt that Paul was not violating Christ’s teaching in Matthew 23 by referring so often to others as “teachers.”
>Fundamentalists themselves slip up on this point by calling all sorts of people “doctor”; for example, professors and scientists who have Ph.D. degrees (i.e., doctorates). What they fail to realize is that “doctor” is simply the Latin word for “teacher.” Even “Mister” and “Mistress” (“Mrs.”) are forms of the word “master,” also mentioned by Jesus. So if his words in Matthew 23 were meant to be taken literally, Fundamentalists would be just as guilty for using the word “teacher” and “doctor” and “mister” as Catholics for saying “father.” But clearly, that would be a misunderstanding of Christ’s words.

>>19265870
>yet you somehow think you know more about the Church and the right way to worship than the men who were inspired to bring the Bible together in the first place. It's incoherent.
The way you're talking really pisses me off. You're accusatory. I'm tired of faggot "Christians" endlessly purity spiraling about stupid bullshit while there's a Mosque and Satanic Temple next door.

Let me rephrase myself, though I begrudge even replying to your bullshit. I respect the Church Fathers and I have nothing against their writings. I only base my beliefs off the Bible, however. Everything else is supplementary.

Now back to my first point. You cowardly wastrels who sow division when we are living to see the End Times and Mark of the Beast fill me with disgust. You argue over the slightest conceived differences when we are being attacked on all fronts by the forces of darkness. A house divided will not stand.

And this isn't hypocritical with my stance on the churches, because what most preach aren't Christianity. They aren't preaching repentance and atonement, but rather do what you will (Satanic verse) and Jesus will forgive you. But those who truly possess the Holy Spirit need to stand together and stop with the petty bullshit.

>>19265896
>no twisting whatsoever
Yes there is, in those contexts they are specifically referring to convincing others of Christianity, not that they themselves are granting *salvation of their souls*.

>>19265928
>all of this disingenuous weak argument
Anyone who reads the entire rant plainly sees that Jesus is speaking against religious leaders and not biological dads. It is fully blatant with no room for confusion.

>>19265929
>I only base my beliefs off the Bible, however.
Why? This was never the practice of the early Christians who you are trying to emulate. Sola Scriptura is a modern innovation. If you want to love Christ, then follow His commandments. This includes participating in the sacraments and the Church whose Bishops are the successors of His apostles via chrismation. Not just anyone can preach the Gospel.

Father Spirydon Bailey

>>19265954
>are granting *salvation of their souls*
Nowhere does the liturgy refer to Mary doing this.
>>19265968
>all of this disingenuous weak argument
And yet you have nothing to say in response. Why do you call your church elders teachers if Christ said call no man teacher?

>>19265972
>This includes participating in the sacraments and the Church whose Bishops are the successors of His apostles via chrismation.
The entire foundation of the Papacy is a single quote that says "On this rock".

The sacraments are literally pagan in nature. Don't make us go down this rabbithole anon because I can expose it all and you will not win.

>>19266021
>The entire foundation of the Papacy is a single quote that says "On this rock".
I am talking about Orthodoxy.
>The sacraments are literally pagan in nature.
Every single one of the sacraments is referenced in the NT and were practiced by Christians before the Bible was even collated.
>Don't make us go down this rabbithole anon because I can expose it all and you will not win.
You sound like a twelve year old. Don't belittle the conversation like this. You haven't answered my point about sola scriptura either.

>>19265981
see
>>19262750

>>19265990
>Why do you call your church elders teachers
We call everyone "brother/sister". You are resorting not only to whataboutism to defend your Satanic paganism, but tilting at windmills in the attempt.

>>19266042
>I am talking about Orthodoxy.
Sorry anon, I'm used to Catholics preaching their pope-worship religion
>You sound like a twelve year old. Don't belittle the conversation like this. You haven't answered my point about sola scriptura either.
You make the claim that the traditions were in place before the Bible was put together. I don't know why you make this claim. The Bible wasn't compiled, sure, but the texts were written by the Saints, and they already had the Torah. As for Orthodox sacraments I'm not the person you were arguing with. I don't know much about the Orthodox but I am intimately aware of the Catholics, so when people start mentioning sacraments I immediately relate to the pagan practices of the Catholics. This is a misunderstanding.

The point I've been trying to make is I'm sick of Christians purity-spiraling on niche topics while we're besieged on all sides by the forces of Satan. We are less than a decade away from the Tribulations, by all metrics, and our sole focus should be on saving as many lost souls as possible. Not arguing over the sacraments of the Churches.

>>19266074
>You make the claim that the traditions were in place before the Bible was put together
This, everyone can plainly read in Acts and Paul's letters the proofs against the Lord's Supper/Communion being an elaborate ritual with a priest administering tiny bits of bread and sips of wine. People were showing up and over eating/drinking. It was an actual meal and everyone helped themselves. There are no priestly mediators after Christ. Catholic and "Orthodox" claims of "Tradition™" are heaps of dung.

>>19262521
This. Some of his views are really 'out there', but "Experience of God" is one of the most helpful books, theologically, that I've ever read.

>>19266115
>most helpful books
It must really tickle the ears. You should stick to the Holy Bible.

>>19266068
>We call everyone "brother/sister".
So? Christ never said we couldn't refer to people as brothers and sisters. He said we couldn't refer to any man as teacher or father.
>You are resorting not only to whataboutism
I am pointing out an obvious flaw in your line of argument after you failed to engage in any of the points raised in that greentext about the father quote. If it's so wrong, you should have no problem explaining away each of the points.
>>19266095
People having a meal together does not refute the idea of communion. Christ called the bread His flesh, and said that it was flesh indeed; Christ called the wine his blood, and said that it was wine indeed. Hundreds left him that day as a result. It makes no sense for Him to have said this so emphatically, and for so many to have left Him immediately after hearing this, if He was being purely symbolic.

>>19266139
>You should stick to the Holy Bible.
I'm not an intuitive person so I have to have secondary literature.

>>19266146
>So? Christ never said we couldn't refer to people as brothers and sisters. He said we couldn't refer to any man as teacher or father.
That's exactly what I said...*exactly what I said*.

>>19266212
So you're admitting your point about brothers and sisters has no value? Great.

>>19266240
You asked why I called elders "teacher", to which I replied that we call *everyone* "brother/sister" and *not* "teacher" or "Father". So I can only assume that you are either being intentionally obtuse or are genuinely retarded.

>>19266264
>You asked why I called elders "teacher", to which I replied that we call *everyone* "brother/sister"
That's a blatant lie though. Throughout history, even the Protestants have used the term "teacher" to refer to their ministers.

>>19266264
And yet you still call your teachers teachers and your father fathers and so on... despite the fact that Christ says there is only one teacher and father. Clearly, the passage is contextual (which even you admit). Christ is saying that the Pharisees have abused their fatherhood and their rabbinic capacity to take the place of God; He is reminding people that these terms belong to God ultimately. This does not prevent us from calling priests of Christ "father," just as it does not negate you calling your biological father "father." If you allow for one context, you must allow for the other. Paul refers to himself as a father, who has "begotten" believers through gospel (1 Corinthians 4:14-16). He is not a father in a biological sense here, but a father in a spiritual and pedagogic sense, just as priests are today.

>>19266324
Not as titles for religious figures, and no he's not "reminding us but we can still do it as long as we remember", he said to *not do it*. There are no "priests of Christ" as an office, all true believers are each themselves priests of Christ and Christ is our *only* mediator. As usual, Satan attempts to twist and implement a counterfeit church.

>>19264197
You can’t be serious. The man is a real life soγjack.

What is up with Americans obsessing over orthodox dogma? Exotic?https://youtu.be/_xaj8QSJZ0E

>>19267947
>Thinks Americans are enlightened

I can’t refute it

>>19268011
>Russians aren't just a nation of alcoholic nihilist scammers
A percentage of all tithes to any RO church go to the mother and a percentage of that goes to Putin.

>>19268189
I can't disagree; Orthodox numbers are quite inflated.

>>19263122
I mean Boomers weren't wrong there is satanic references in alot of rock and roll music

>>19260667
None of them

>>19268232
Boomers are the ones that were unwittingly corrupted.

>>19268232
>alot
All
rock and roll music
All other than theologically sound hymns with a maximum instrumentation of harp, piano, organ, tambourine.

>>19268303
>rock and roll music
Meant to be green texted thusly.

>>19263122
>SATAN MESSAGES IN TEH ROCK N ROLL MUSICS
You have to be naive to deny this

>God is an all-seeing Eye, a spiritual Sun, standing above the world, penetrating with His spiritual eyes into the thoughts and hearts of men, enlightening every creature. Our soul is an eye from the Eye, sight from the Sight, light from the Light. But now, since our fall into sin, our eye, our soul, is diseased through sins. Take the cataract off your eye, and you will see the spiritual Sun, the everlasting Eye, ten thousand times brighter than the material sun.
https://www.ccel.org/ccel/kronstadt/christlife.ii.html

>>19268511
Didn't know Donald Wildmon was on 4chan.

>>19265794
>that was deceived by Satan very early on
okay then where is the undeceieved church which has unbroken lineage from Christ? Christ's body is not invisible, it is a real body, so there is a real church the apostles constantly warn to not separate from. Where is it?

>>19265838
>ome out of her
You can only be saved in the ark. Anyone who was outside the ark of Noah died and perished, it is the same with Christ's Church, but now the death will be eternal.
>>19265833
>The only Pastor I know who gets it right is Sanderson
So you are in a complete fairy-tale land and part of no real group. It is you who are outside the Church, not Orthodoxy.

>>19265929
>who truly possess the Holy Spirit
Who gave you the Holy Spirit? Where and when did you receive Him?

>>19266074
>We are less than a decade away from the Tribulations,
You are the first who will fall to worshiping Antichrist because the only thing you have to understand Holy Scripture is your own fallen intellect. It is yourself you have placed as the judge of all understanding while ignoring all the saints who have been enlightened by the Holy Spirit who formed the very scripture you interpret to only have their opinions "refuted" by innovative doctrine centuries later. It pains me to say that you are heading for eternal torment if you do not repent from your foolishness.

>>19263122
>SATAN MESSAGES IN TEH ROCK N ROLL MUSICS

>>19265929
>truly possess the Holy Spirit
You are part of no group which can give the Holy Spirit, Who is given by baptism and laying on of hands.
https://youtu.be/KPILaUhxsIY

>>19265833
>prots rambling about tribulations
>will never go to Church
Where is this view supported in Holy Scripture? We are commanded by Christ to perform the last supper in His remembrance. It's not a solo activity you can do in your home.
You have apostatized from Christ, anon. You are literally the Judas who left from the table.
https://youtu.be/NWqUNzYul1c

>>19260667
Dead Souls by Gogol

>>19260756
Agârbiceanu era greco-catolic

>>19267541
>You can’t be serious
I'm definitely not. I see him as attempting to be the acceptable face of your father's Ortho larping.

>>19260667
Read Kallistos Ware
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kallistos_Ware

>>19265833
>they'll rarely read what the Bible says about sodomites, fags, racemixers, gluttons
The Bible says nothing against ‘racemixers’. You’re just taking God’s prohibitions for Israel to mix with pagan tribes who literally sacrificed babies to demons to be some sort of racial issue. Even Moses had a Cushite wife.

>>19266115
I know David Bentley Hart is a divisive figure on /lit/, and I understand why, but if I hadn't read The Experience of God I'm not sure I would have eventually become a Christian. Before reading that book I couldn't even fathom how intelligent people could believe in God.

>>19263232
Okay, now trace that tradition back to the Apostles person by person.

>>19266074
>They already had the Torah
This is incorrect. There was much disagreement among the jews at the time on which writings should be considered scripture. In fact, the Torah wasn't compiled until after the foundation of Christianity, and was also heavily edited to remove the OT prophecies pointing to Jesus.
The texts had been written by the Saints, sure, but who defines a Saint? How do we know which Saintly writings are to be considered scripture and which are to be discarded? Church tradition neatly solves this problem by simply defining what is scripture, and what is a Saint.

https://azbyka.ru/otechnik/world/islam-orthodox-view/

>>19266575
>he said to *not do it*.
Yes, He said not to do it all. He didn't simply say, "don't call religious figures by these names." Yet, despite this proscription, even you still call your father father and your teacher teacher. Clearly, it is contextual - even you admit this. I have no reason to accept your view of context over the consensus view of the fathers who inspirationally compiled the Bible itself. Men who were only one or two generations removed from the apostles themselves.
>There are no "priests of Christ"
See:
https://www.catholic.com/qa/where-in-the-new-testament-are-priests-mentioned

>>19270788
He said it *while ranting about religious figures*.

>>19270788
>view of the fathers
Not to mention this abominable irony

>>19270248
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>>19269253
>responds to all my posts telling me I'm in danger of hell-fire because I don't engage in Pagan rites

You may as well be Catholic at this point. I have nothing but disdain for you purity-spiraling women who feel they make judgments on who will enter Heaven and Hell, especially not reading the scripture themselves.