/lit/ - Literature

lmao at putting to death the abused kid

>>19263403
it's a google translation so it could be wrong

More: https://www.forgeonline.org/blog/2019/3/8/what-about-romans-124-27

Who gives a fuck if it’s in the Bible or not when it’s clear that Christianity is against sodomy as it is against all gluttonous excesses that bring one farther from god like extramarital sex. Why do people these even claim to be Christians when it’s taken over by progressive dogma? I see Protestant churches all over since I moved with BLM, stop hate, and LGBT flags on them. I don’t understand why they even continue to operate under the guise of being a Christian church when it’s something else now entirely

>>19263398
>the original translation says young boy not man so it's okay to be gay
That's some major fucking cope

>>19263498
>my conservative opinions are backed up by the Bible
>the Bible is backed up by my conservative facts and logic
>who gives a fuck about the Bible though

>>19263398
Can we see it in Hebrew and Greek please?

Clearly Sodom was entirely populated with young boys. Onan got zapped for wasting his semen with a woman but the same God obviously approves of buggery. I imagine that since "young boy" is sort of vague the legions of "ephebephiles" among the gays will claim that's OK too. Literal snakes all of them.

>>19263498
The church is just a business, bro.
The Kingdom of God is within you.

hebrew says zachár (man/male)
latin says masculo (man/male)
did the greeks put something about young boys in there? idk, wouldn't surprise me

>>19263828
18:22 ואת זכר לא תשכב משכבי אשה תועבה הוא
20:13 ואיש אשר ישכב את זכר משכבי אשה תועבה עשו שניהם מות יומתו דמיהם בם

>>19263398
This is incredibly easy to deboonk. The Hebrew word used in this sentence is: זָכָ֔ר (zā·ḵār). This same word is used throughout the Old Testament to mean "male" without an exact reference to age. The Greek word used in this sentence is: ἄρσενος (arsenos). Again, this word means "male," and it's used throughout the Bible to mean "male" and only "male." Not boy. A quick look at the Peshitta reveals a similar translation. So whether you're using the Hebrew, Greek, or Syriac, the word used means "male," not boy. Anyone trying to sell you a different definition is bullshitting you.

>>19263857
>Greek word for male contains the word "arse"

>>19263398
Latin from Vulgata:
>Qui dormíerit cum másculo cóitu femíneo, utérque operátus est nefas
>Cum másculo non commisceáris cóitu femíneo, quia abominátio est.

>>19263882
>másculo
WHAT COULD THIS MEAN?!?!?!?!?!?!

>>19263882
>cum
Lol

>>19263907
>sed pénis femíninus et testícula intácta, non est gaius

>>19263926
based

>>19263398
Christians and Jews have a history of changing scripture. They sell the Word of God for a small price. Allah will inform them of what they used to do.

>>19263948
You know it's a joke, right?

The pedantic laws of some jewish bronze age tribe wont stop me from pursuing cute twinks

The only god for me is Antinous-Dionysios

>>19263964
/r/woosh

>>19263926
lmao

>>19263410
nah it's correct

>>19263398
Modern Swedish translations clearly says "man". The oldest translation I could find online (1700s) uses the word "drånger", which means young unmaried MAN.

>>19263398
>Luther

>>19263398
The original translation actually says man not boy.

>>19263969
based

>>19263498
How would the basic tenants of "stop hate" or "Black Lives Matter" be against the Bible?

The same language uses for homosexuality commands death for cursing your parents, and death for all parties in adultery. You should die childless if you marry your brother's wife in one section of Leviticus but are also commanded to marry your brother's wife if he dies before having kids on pains of banishment.

Do conservative churches enforce brothers marrying brothers' wives? Same language. Cheese burgers are also an "abomination" and they are served in Churches. If you take the OT law as superceded there is no reason to prioritize one over the other.

Jesus doesn't mention homosexuality. Paul mentions it in passing but uses a word that refers to having sex with boys not men and doesn't prescribe death.

>>19264238
>Why is code for "kill all white people" bad????
gee who knows

>>19264238
>Jesus doesn't mention homosexuality.
Jesus condemns "πορνεία", referring to all sexual immorality, which, given the cultural backdrop, includes homosexuality.
>Paul mentions it in passing but uses a word that refers to having sex with boys not men and doesn't prescribe death.
Paul condemns "ἀρσενοκοίτης," which literally means "man-bed" or "man-bedding." Notice he doesn't say "boy-bed" or "boy-bedding."
Every attempt to define these words differently ignores the clear and obvious etymology of these words, their contexts, and usage elsewhere in the Bible; in other words, every attempt to define these words differently is an act of deliberate obfuscation.

Literally in Hebrew 18:22 says, "With a man you shall not lie down bed woman abomination is." Cleaned up, it means, "Don't sleep in a bed with a man you would with a woman. It's an abomination."

>>19264381
>>19264485
Probably doesn't matter because the tranny pederasts on Twitter and TikTok live in their own head canon.

>>19264238
>Jesus doesn't mention homosexuality.
By the same logic Jesus doesn't say a single thing in the entirety of the NT; John, Matthew, Mark and Luke do.

>>19264381
That's a misrepresentation, it's not even a real Greek word:
>Arsenokoitai, occurs once each in I Corinthians and I Timothy (1:10), but nowhere else in other literature of the period. It is derived from two Greek words, one meaning, "males" and the other "beds", a euphemism for sexual intercourse. Other Greek words were commonly used to describe homosexual behavior but do not appear here. The larger context of I Corinthians 6 shows Paul extremely concerned with prostitution, so it is very possible he was referring to male prostitutes. But many experts now attempting to translate these words have reached a simple conclusion: their precise meaning is uncertain.

>>19264335
Support for BLM peaked at over half the population of the US. With 160 million people you get a lot of interpretations. The broadest is that the affirmative statement "Black lives matter," is supposed to be juxtaposed with the fact that they don't appear to matter when police kill Black citizens using unwarranted force. A prime example being in Aurora where multiple officers were there to restrain a single 130lb autistic kid and beat him while having EMTs overdose him on ketamine. No official wrong doing was found until protests and indictments much later. I don't see how that is unbiblical.

>>19264723
>"Black lives matter," is supposed to be juxtaposed with the fact that they don't appear to matter when police kill Black citizens using unwarranted force.

It's actually more juxtaposed by black-on-black violence and abortions being far, far, FAR more common than police brutality cases. Police brutality is posed as being more prevalent than reality; and lives, regardless of race, and posed as mattering more than reality.

Nothing makes me laugh more than Christian LARPers on 4chan. You guys are going to hell for even posting on this board, you know that right?

>>19264757
IDK man, I'm White and way more White people die from car crashes and murder but I can still see a problem in Daniel Shaver being shot while lying prone on the floor for no reason by a psychopath who got off free because he had a badge.

I mean, by that logic White people kill themselves more with opiates each year than it the George Floyd riots had gone on 10x as long, so why should be we care about looting... it's bad reasoning. Other wrongs don't make another wrong right.

>>19263398
Why should i give a shit about ancient jewish legal codes from the desert again?

>>19263498
>can’t believe my fuckingn churches are moving to agree with policies like “stopping hate”??? And love and acceptance for thy neighbor?? What the fuck, where is my racism and white supremacy?

>>19263398
This is a meme that circulated on instagram, there are literal words in Koine Greek for top/bottom that are used. Not to mention context also rejects the inverse, women lying with women.

>>19263403
Its for the best

>>19264893
Why are there so many fags on /lit/

>>19265231
I’m praying for you. God bless.

>>19265307
No you're not

Lev 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.

Lev 18:22 ואתH854 זכרH2145 לאH3808 תשׁכבH7901 משׁכביH4904 אשׁהH802 תועבהH8441 הוא׃H1931

Lev 18:22 καιG2532 CONJ μεταG3326 PREP αρσενοςA-GSN ουG3364 ADV κοιμηθησηG2837 V-FPI-2S κοιτηνG2845 N-ASF γυναικοςG1135 N-GSF βδελυγμαG946 N-NSN γαρG1063 PRT εστινG1510 V-PAI-3S

mankind - arsenos - zacar; all mean Male

Paul says it best:
Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who submit to or perform homosexual acts, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor verbal abusers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. (1 Cor 6:9-10)

>>19263403
He will grow up and do it to others if you don't. Break the cycle.

>>19263837
The Greek translation came before the Latin one.

>>19265413
The devil’s wickedness clearly has a grasp on your heart. As much as I will be praying I beg you search yourself for God and accept Jesus back into your life.

>>19265439
My favorite thing is that Christ fags choose to be so much more obsessed about what dudes stick their dick into then eating shrimp, both of which are forbidden in the same place Lmao

>>19265439
The devil can quote scripture but he will not know what it means. God bless and search your heart for God

>>19265494
And one of the acts was purified. Guess which one is which?

>>19263498
>Who gives a fuck if it’s in the Bible or not
Christianity should be nothing except what is contained in the bible. If homosexuality is not condemned in the bible, then Christianity has no justification for condemning it. How is this hard to understand? You can't just make up rules and attribute them to the will of God if they haven't been handed down as such
>when it’s clear that Christianity is against sodomy as it is against all gluttonous excesses that bring one farther from god like extramarital sex.
Why should homosexuality a priori bring one further from God? That's quite the loaded assumption.

>>19265494
Dietary laws (what goes into a man) = explicitly abrogated in the New Covenant:
>"Once again Jesus called the crowd to Him and said, “All of you, listen to Me and understand: Nothing that enters a man from the outside can defile him; but the things that come out of a man, these are what defile him.” After Jesus had left the crowd and gone into the house, His disciples inquired about the parable. “Are you still so dull?” He asked. “Do you not understand? Nothing that enters a man from the outside can defile him, because it does not enter his heart, but it goes into the stomach and then is eliminated.” (Thus all foods are clean)" (Mark 7:14-19)

Morality and conduct laws (what comes out of a man) = explicitly confirmed to still be necessary in the New Covenant
>"He continued: “What comes out of a man, that is what defiles him. For from within the hearts of men come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, greed, wickedness, deceit, debauchery, envy, slander, arrogance, and foolishness. All these evils come from within, and these are what defile a man.” (Mark 7:20-22)

>>19265504
Not sure what you're implying, but the scripture is pretty obvious and explicit here. If you are a follower of Jesus Christ, you must condemn homosexual acts and other acts of sexual immorality, and keep all of His commands - "Whoever has My commandments and keeps them is the one who loves Me. The one who loves Me will be loved by My Father, and I will love him and reveal Myself to him", says the Lord.

The Early Christians were pretty clear on homosexuality. It's wrong and parallel to the sins of Sodom and Gomora (See Didache, Justin Martyr). To deny that the bible and these Christians were connected is to have an absurd historiography.

>>19263398
Quick question:

How do you fuck a man as if he were a woman?

It sounds hot, but any time I try to do this I end up fucking him as a feminine man. Women with cocks don't count either.

I think this is an easy commandment because violating it is impossible.

>>19264238
I don’t think any statement as self-centered and narcissistic as saying your life matters could be at all compatible with Christianity.

>>19265694
God formed you in the womb. Are you saying God does meaningless things for trifles?

>>19264723
>That's a misrepresentation, it's not even a real Greek word:
It's a real word. Or, rather, Paul coined a new word, which then entered into the Greek language. Unless, of course, you discount every word ever coined by, say, Shakespeare. Regardless, the etymology, context, and intent are crystal clear.
>The larger context of I Corinthians 6 shows Paul extremely concerned with prostitution
Have you actually read I Corinthians 6? It's largely about sin (and especially sins against one's own body, which is the temple of the Holy Spirit) and redemption through the baptism that joins man's spirit to God, and he lists some of the things that damn us ranging from idolatry to thievery to fornication to homosexuality. This passage isn't about "economic injustices," as some "scholars" have tried to claim. The only people having any "difficulty" understanding this passage are those being deliberately obtuse.

>>19263836
Based and Spiritpilled

>>19263398
probably not going to be welcome here, but this is why.

homosexuality is a mental illness that occurs VERY commonly among children who experienced childhood sexual abuse. homosexuality is coupled with high rates of depression, anxiety, suicide, BPD, disease, and a rate of other scourges like proclivity to pedophilia at rates far higher than the general public.

lgbtqp is a fetish. the bible is saying "no fetishes, just man and woman"

>>19263403
this is actually the way to do it.
abused grow up to abuse

>>19264829
Minorities lost all my support when they openly state they would like to exterminate white/straight people and get 70 thousand upvotes and nobody "cancels" them but if someone ever so slightly points out that they shouldn't be hateful they get immediately obliterated. All this stuff like capitalizing black but not white and saying that white people are too white and everything that white people do is bad and wrong and all males are rapists and so on is not about equality, it's just institutionalized hate and I refuse to hate myself as much as I don't want to hate minorities. I refuse to agree that children should be taught that being trans is normal. If someone is trans he's mentally ill, mentally ill people deserve respect and help but indulging in their schizophrenia and enabling sociopaths goes to the detriment of everyone. I think there are far too many people involved in these movements who are driven by hate so as long as they are held up instead of shunned I will not support these movements.

>>19266294
Is my fetish for soft nylon fabric gonna damn me