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>>19256547
>"Buddha"
>"Mohammed"
>"Gandhi"
They fasted for demonic selfish reasons, to become more "enligthened".
While Christ fasted to experience temptation and overpower it, thus ridding the demons of their power against humans. He did it for us, not for Himself.

Why do they call it a "fast" when it goes so goddamn slow?

(h/t Gallagher)

try doing a 24 hour fast once a month. very cleansing.

>>19256770

>>19256680
Muhammad peace be upon him only fasted to please his Lord like Jesus did.

>>19257067
>please his Lord
Indeed, but his lord was Satan.

>>19256547
>Muhammad
Pedophile schizophrenic under the influence of demons. It is reflected in the poor quality of his works

>Buddha
Nihilist who hated life and wanted to annihilate himself. Not deep at all. His system is self-refuting.

Only Jesus stands up to scrutiny

>>19257067
You mean “Jibril” the cave-ghost?

>>19257121
>muh demons
ok christcuck
>the buddha is a nihilist lol
confirmed for knowing nothing about either of these

>>19256547
Silence.

>"The benignant efficacies of Concealment," cries our Professor, "who shall speak or sing? SILENCE and SECRECY! Altars might still be raised to them (were this an altar-building time) for universal worship. Silence is the element in which great things fashion themselves together; that at length they may emerge, full-formed and majestic, into the daylight of Life, which they are thenceforth to rule. Not William the Silent only, but all the considerable men I have known, and the most undiplomatic and unstrategic of these, forbore to babble of what they were creating and projecting. Nay, in thy own mean perplexities, do thou thyself but hold thy tongue for one day: on the morrow, how much clearer are thy purposes and duties; what wreck and rubbish have those mute workmen within thee swept away, when intrusive noises were shut out! Speech is too often not, as the Frenchman defined it, the art of concealing Thought; but of quite stifling and suspending Thought, so that there is none to conceal. Speech too is great, but not the greatest. As the Swiss Inscription says: Sprechen ist silbern, Schweigen ist golden (Speech is silvern, Silence is golden); or as I might rather express it: Speech is of Time, Silence is of Eternity.

>"Bees will not work except in darkness; Thought will not work except in Silence: neither will Virtue work except in Secrecy. Let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth! Neither shalt thou prate even to thy own heart of 'those secrets known to all.' Is not Shame (Schaam) the soil of all Virtue, of all good manners and good morals? Like other plants, Virtue will not grow unless its root be hidden, buried from the eye of the sun. Let the sun shine on it, nay do but look at it privily thyself, the root withers, and no flower will glad thee. O my Friends, when we view the fair clustering flowers that overwreathe, for example, the Marriage-bower, and encircle man's life with the fragrance and hues of Heaven, what hand will not smite the foul plunderer that grubs them up by the roots, and, with grinning, grunting satisfaction, shows us the dung they flourish in! Men speak much of the Printing Press with its Newspapers: du Himmel! what are these to Clothes and the Tailor's Goose?

>>19257128
Muhammad was undeniably under demonic influence, it is reflected in his behavior and in the nature of his preaching. Jesus, Paul, Jude and John all warned against false prophets like Muhammad and Satanic false gospels preached by demons LARPing as angels. And guess what comes around 600 years later, Islam.

Buddhism is indeed nihilistic. It is for this reason rapidly being assimilated to the technocratic control system being put in place by the Jews and other elites today. The JewBu phenomenon is a good demonstration of this

idk I fast pretty often and people think im a retard

>>19257091
how?

>>19257148
You expect me to believe that a demon would preach against idolatry?

>>19257148
the buddha literally teaches you to drop out of society, and meditate in nature
how is that conducive to a "technocratic control system"?
Answer: because it's modernist buddhism you have a gripe with, but modernist buddhism (McMeditation, meditation apps, mindfulness for productivity etc) is not buddhism. Modern day meditation, that amazon etc love so much, was not actually taught by the Buddha.
Also you could literally make the same argument that Christianity was conducive to Feudalistic control, since it taught peasants that as long as they prayed to God after their long days of work in the fields, that they would be rewarded with heaven, and all the toil they were subjected to was worth it in the end (and not worth changing). The only reason the tech elites don't push this angle for modern day serfs is that Christianity fell out of favour, and instead of prayer, they use McMeditation to comfort their technocratic slaves

>>19257173
The demon preached against idolatry to specific idols. Satan still wins if you worship one idol and not the 99 other idols.
The problem is that Islam and "Jibril's" revelation is in discontinuity with the Old Testament and the teachings of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Pic related preached against Islam, you should read him, he was martyred for it by the way by an angry Muslim who couldn't cope with the truth.

>>19257195
>Satan still wins if you worship one idol and not the 99 other idols.
Ok, so Satan is still losing, because Muhammed commands Muslims to worship God (Allah)

>>19257173
A smart demon would provide exactly that message. Do you think it will just appear and say “worship Satan!” No. Muhammad was told to deny the Holy Trinity, to deny that Jesus Christ died on the cross, to deny that he resurrected, to deny that he died for our sins, to deny that he was divine, to reject the scriptures as ‘corrupt’ and to drag the entire Middle East back into Pharisaic legalism. This is everything a demon would want you to do. Why? Because Jesus is the way, the life and the truth, and no one comes to the Father except through Him. If you deny Jesus, you don’t know the Father. And if you claim Jesus was *just* a man, you don’t know Jesus, therefore you don’t know God. When you claim you’re worshiping Allah, it’s certainly not the Father! And don’t give me the bullshit about Arab Christians using the term “Allah”—they are actually worshiping God when they do this. Muslims worship Satan

>>19257205
The Mohammadian god is not the God who spoke to Moses in the burning bush and created the world. Because he presented a different revelation to his "prophet", and we know that if even an angel teaches us something we have not received from Christ, it is a falsehood.

>>19257195
What idol does Islam call to? and I don't believe the Qur'an is in discontinuity with the torah or the gospels. Maybe the Jewish corruptions you have don't line up, but the scriptures are confirmed by the Qur'an. Perhaps its because Islam does not say the prophets were liars as the jewish old testament does that you have a problem with?

>>19257214
Priesthood is said to be eternal in many places in the Torah, the Messiah is said to die for the sins of His people. Islam has no priests and does not believe Christ dies on the cross. It is a new teaching no Christian or even Talmudistic Jew can really believe.l because it is in such stark discontinuity with Holy Scripture.

>>19257214
>What idol does Islam call to?
The black cube in Mecca, for one.

>and I don't believe the Qur'an is in discontinuity with the torah or the gospels.
Jesus proclaims himself divine in numerous Gospels and this is reiterated in the Epistles. The Old Testament predicts that the Messiah will suffer and die and even attests to multiplicity in the Godhead as far back as Genesis, and in Exodus, Deuteronomy, Numbers, Joshua, Judges, Isaiah and beyond. You’ve clearly never read the Bible in any depth

>>19257224
>It is a new teaching
actually read the Qur'an. It is definitely not new. It is mostly a re-telling of what was already revealed to the prophets of yore, who said nothing about God having a Son.

>>19257214
>What idol does Islam call to?
The god of Mohammad who was revealed by a demon posing as Archangel Gabriel. It is an idol which Mohammadans commonly call "Allah".

>>19257229
>The black cube in Mecca, for one.
retard

>>19257246
>It is definitely not new
So it is self-refuting, because there is no need for any revelation after Christ established the New Covenant.
>who said nothing about God having a Son
Read the psalms and the prophets, who you claim were inspired your "Allah".

>>19257247
Arab Jews and Christians call the God of Abraham "Allah". Allah is the name of the God who controls the heavens and the earth, which is hardly something a demon could do.

>>19257246
>It is definitely not new.
You’re right. It’s a corruption of the Old Testament and a mishmash of heretical texts like the Protoevangelium of James and the Infancy Gospel of Thomas.

>who said nothing about God having a Son.
Lol

>>19257258
It is not new in an innovative way like your filthy man-god cult religion is. The prophets never called their people to worship God's Son and you are aware of this, which is why some christians like to claim that the prophets were ignorant about Christ when they see that the prophets even in their corrupted jewish scripture do not say that God has a Son that deserves to be worshipped.

>>19257263
>Arab Jews and Christians call the God of Abraham "Allah".
So the Christians are worshiping the Holy Trinity, while you worship some sort of false god which is not a Trinity, just like Jews do. Aka Satan

>Allah is the name of the God who controls the heavens and the earth
Yes, and Allah is Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

>>19257263
Hence the scarequotes. The Muslims took the name but worship a demon under that name.

>>19257258
Where do they say God has a Son?
>inb4 "Kiss the Son"
retard

>>19257281
what demon?

>>19257277
>why some christians like to claim that the prophets were ignorant about Christ
Orthodox Christians do not claim this, only that they did not have a complete knowledge of Him. For example, Abraham and Job worshipped Christ.

>>19257267
I'm sorry but your redneck pastor was lying to you when he said that the whole old testament is a type for the death of the incarnate son of God

>>19257277
Daniel 7 has the prophecy where the Ancient of Days (God the Father) bestows onto one like a son of man, who comes out of heaven, eternal dominion, glory, authority over all nations and an eternal kingdom. No one but God can wield this power. This is the same Book of Daniel in 9.24-27 that predicts that the Messiah will come in ~30 AD, be killed, and then shortly after the temple will be destroyed by foreign armies, just like happened in 70 AD. This book was written centuries before Christianity. It is one piece among many. The Trinity is also present even in the Pentateuch, it’s so obvious in the theophanies.

>>19257287
No they didn't.

>>19257292
I don't have a redneck pastor and this is a belief going back to the first century, way before the heresies that spawned Islam later began to exist.

>>19256547
Detachment from the material world I assume. Eating, drinking and fucking are all very base things and abstaining from them would give you a more ethereal presence, I guess.

>>19257121
Being right or wrong isn't the question. They didn't eat for a while and then everyone did as they said.

Jesus is soupier. I agree.
Though he is still a bit Abrahamic. Living for life in heaven or the rapture or something. How about living for this life?
Christians could be a little less reactive to things that exist, like the Buddhists. They always have a content look and they live cleanly. Christians these days look slovenly and have a snearing look of contempt. They just aren't very Christian. Maybe a techno industrial age doesn't suit them.

>>19257292
It is though. You can read it for yourself. Abraham, Moses and all of the prophets were trinitarians

>>19257297
Where does it say in that chapter that God has a Son? You can't just project your narrative onto a prophecy and say that the information was revealed later, as this leads way to endless doctrinal innovation, especially considering that the Jews de-legitimized the authority of the prophets by attributing lies and sins to them.

>>19257298
Yeah they did, lol. One good place to start is Genesis 16. The Angel of the Lord appears to Hagar and tells her that she will have a son and he will be named Ishmael. You should read the chapter yourself to see what I am saying in context and to see that it indeed is in reference to the Angel of the Lord, but Hagar addresses the Angel of the Lord in the following terms:
>She gave this name to the Lord who spoke to her: “You are the God who sees me,” for she said, “I have now seen the One who sees me.” That is why the well was called Beer Lahai Roi; it is still there, between Kadesh and Bered.
She refers to this ‘Angel’ as God and the Lord. Angel means nothing more than ‘messenger’ it’s important to remember as well.

Also one can look at Genesis 19:24, which I think Justin Martyr pointed to to show multiple persons in the Godhead:
>Then the Lord rained down burning sulfur on Sodom and Gomorrah—from the Lord out of the heavens.
The Lord raining down sulfur from the Lord in the heavens is the key point here. Referring to the Son and the Father.

Jacob also wrestles with an ‘angel’ in Genesis 32:22-32. After he wrestles, he names the place ‘Peniel’ or “Face of God”, because “I have seen God face to face, and yet my life was spared.” This clearly puts into context statements about no-one having seen God the Father, and Jesus saying that one who has seen him has seen the Father. Jacob wrestled with the Son.

Exodus 3:2-4
>There the angel of the Lord appeared to him in flames of fire from within a bush. Moses saw that though the bush was on fire it did not burn up. So Moses thought, “I will go over and see this strange sight—why the bush does not burn up.”
>When the Lord saw that he had gone over to look, God called to him from within the bush, “Moses! Moses!”
First it says the Angel of the Lord was in the bush, and then immediately after it says God talks to Moses from the bush. This is similar to Genesis 16.

Almost anytime God appears before someone, it is referring to the pre-incarnate Logos, i.e. the Son. Even pre-Christian Jews like Philo identified the Logos with the Angel of the Lord. So yes, it’s true that Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, etc. worshiped a triune God. If you’re wondering about the Holy Spirit, it’s right in Genesis 1. The Son is who walks through the garden after Adam and Eve sin. This stuff is all over the place, really.

>>19257307
You will be asked about these lies. May Allah guide you from your wicked disbelief in the prophets.

>>19257306
>How about living for this life?
But what is there in this life? Everything decays and fades away. It is completely meaningless when detached from its source who is the incarnate Logos.

>>19257311
>Where does it say in that chapter that God has a Son?
Jesus refers to himself as the Son of Man. If you’d read the Gospels you’d know this. Also, who else would God be providing ETERNAL DOMINION to? Surely no created being. And remember we have a fulfilled prophecy in Daniel 9.

>the Jews de-legitimized the authority of the prophets by attributing lies and sins to them.
Wow it’s almost like they were fallen human beings just like you and me.

>>19257316
Inb4 the Mohammadan says
>NOOO THIS IS A CORRUPTION EVEN THOUSANDS OF YEARS BEFORE MUHAMMAD CAME WITH HIS NEW REVELATION
>GOD WAS POWERLESS BEFORE A BUNCH OF JEWS TO PROTECT HIS REVELATION

>>19257321
Says the one who blasphemes Jesus Christ and doesn’t even know God

>>19257191
>>19257148
>Buddhism

Buddhism is similar to the soul of Christianity in that it is a rejection of the human constructed world. Especially not coveting things and hating people. Not tutoring yourself or any of God's creatures.
It is a virtue when man does not use his power to not misuse or abuse but instead to live in harmony. While shunning shitlords.

Rene Girard. Human desires are bullshit and dangerous.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNkSBy5wWDk&t

>>19257340
Usually the thread dies after I begin posting about the Angel of the Lord. It’s impossible to take Islam seriously for anyone who has read the Bible in any depth. I was considering becoming a Muslim two years ago, but I was blessed to have Christian friends who led me away from Islam and led me to read the Bible. Now I am ashamed at what I said about Christianity in the past, and see evidence of the trinity and the truth of scripture all throughout the Bible.

>>19257336
They cannot be fallen human beings. Sins are lies, and if they are sinners they are liars, and if the prophets are liars, then who can we believe?

>>19257352

(adding to my own post)

Buddhists and Christians not destroying each other over human created desire is why Europe and Japan built the best civilizations.

>>19257361
>They cannot be fallen human beings
Unfounded Qur’anic presupposition. Neither Christians nor Jews believe this nonsense. What a low view of God you have if you think that God cannot bring about his ends even through the fallen! The scriptures have been providentially preserved and inspired by the guidance of the Holy Spirit across time and in many ways, read Hebrews 1. And how do we know the scriptures are preserved? Because of prophecies that have literally come true, especially that in Daniel 9:24-27

>>19257340

Mohammed fucked a 9 year old.

>>19257356
Yeah anon you can really only be a Muslim in complete wilfull ignorance of scripture. I had a similar story too with considering Islam and even Judaism when I saw Islam as a clear distortion of the Old Testament, but then it became too clear how Christ is the Messiah and prophesied all over the Old Testament as the Logos and divine Angel of the Lord.

>>19257361
>They cannot be fallen human beings
Then either they are divine by nature (idolatry) or their free will is non-existent and predetermined by Allah (evil nonsense).

>>19257323
>But what is there in this life?

C'mon. It's a bit schizo to hate life and be looking forward to something after death.
How about you get a family?

>>19257465
The Bible says there is nothing wrong at all about finding a wife and having children. We are told to remember that this world is not an end in itself, though. We are sojourners here, much Moses and the Israelites were in the wilderness before reaching the Promised Land

>>19257465
I do not hate life though, in the Orthodox tradition we thank the Lord in our prayers for creating us out of nothing and bringing us into existence. Life and my body/soul being intact is precisely what lets me choose Christ and connect with him in preparation for eternity.
My family will die. This is the reality of it, if there is nothing beyond material life and decay then it is all completely meaningless. My family really only has meaning if we help each other in getting closer to Christ.
It is very shortsighted to deny what Christ teaches and promises to us in favour of something temporary.

>>19256680
Jesus should've accepted the Devil's offer and made a Kingdom of God

>>19257148
Why are you so committed to being consistently wrong about the same topics in multiple threads every day? Many people have explained your errors to you and yet you persist. Enjoy your volcano demon and go in peace to love and serve him.

>>19257267
>Protoevangelium
My favorite anime

>>19257585
>Enjoy your volcano demon and go in peace to love and serve him.

>>19256680
>He did it for us
He did it as a theathre show in Creation he selfishly made for the purpose of worshipping him

>>19257356
>the Angel of the Lord
Remnant of jewish polytheism. The authors of the gospels retconned it to be a "prophecy" for Jesus.

>>19256547
When I fasted for 17 days I legitimately had dreams where I could see the future. It was meant to be 40 days, but it was abruptly ended when my well-intentioned family forced me into a mental hospital for the practice.

I must go for 40 days if I am to become a holy man.

>>19257838
This is what the saints mean by satanic asceticism.

>>19257894
Do explain

>>19256901
i do this every other day

>>19256680
>While Christ fasted to experience temptation and overpower it
>He did it for us, not for Himself.
which one is it?

>>19257941
Both. The latter is why He did the former. There is no drive towards actually falling to the temptation in Christ, so He does not need to train Himself and His body to not fall into it.

>>19257838
Trusting dreams to this degree and actually thinking God speaks to you in them and even shows the future for merely fasting for two weeks is spiritual delusion, also known as prelest. You trust your experience too much (a demon can merely reveal his plans to you and you think this is seeing the future) and in fasting you open yourself up more to the spiritual realm, and the demons will take advantage of this if the fasting is not done for Christ and in prayer.

>>19257959
it's just funny with christ how there is so little that we actually know about him
contemporaries and even famous people from hundreds of years earlier are fairly well-documented but this guy who started a big uprising in a roman province?
like a ghost

you never know how much could be made up

>>19257995
>so little that we actually know about him
This is indeed true of those who have not received the Holy Spirit (because you ignore all knowledge available to you). But for those who have, Christ is still living with us to this day after His ascension. He did promise that He would not leave us orphans.

>>19256770
Lol

>>19257838
Fasting continuously, without breaking it at night? Muhammad - peace be upon him and his progeny - prohibited continuously fasting without breaks at night. The Islamic fasting starts before the daybreak and ends after sunset. I've been fasting every other day for the past month or so. I highly recommend it.

>>19257382
It’s not a quranic presupposition. You think people are going to believe an alcoholic idolatrous prophet?

>>19257804
>he believes in evolutionary monotheism
Muslims love to rely on atheist scholarship
https://youtu.be/za260DIsgzQ

>>19258552
A literally sinless prophet is Islamic doctrine. It’s not needed. Prophets are human-beings. It’s almost like God has providence and knows who to choose lol

>>19258605
I asked you a question. Would you believe a liar?

>>19258619
A person is not a "liar" by nature if he sins once, he can repent. And moreover, I will believe a "liar" if God chose his words to be preserved in Holy Scripture.

>>19258619
Imagine having this low a view of God, or that you can’t trust a person unless they are literally some sort of perfected being. There are even hadith that say the prophet had the most fragrant sweat unlike any other human being. Imagine being afraid of having your prophets even sweating like a normal human

>>19258635
lol
I also recall there being something about his excrement not being normal.

>>19258596
No amount of your cope will change historical reality. The OT is pseudo-polytheism, and the metaphysical contradictions and inconsistencies of NT exist because Jesus was adding Zoroastrian teachings on top of the old, jewish ones.

>>19258635
Islam really is a completely mechanistic religion. The individual words in the Quran literally have to be uncreated or it is not from God.
Prophets have to literally be without any sin if they are to be from God. (nevermind that Mohammad was by far not sinless or without evil inclinations).

>>19258658
>historical reality
Yes, historical reality (recorded in the OT) of Israel joining itself to demonic pagan gods alongside God.

>>19258623
>>19258635
Can I ask you both some questions? Sins are lies by essence, correct? Meaning that sins are lies to God, and when you lie to God you are also lying to yourself, right? It is the most blatant and audacious of lies to sin against God, correct? and when you murder someone, you will always be a murderer, right? and when you lie, you will always be a liar, correct (if you do not repent)? and God did not destroy a city until He sent them a prophet, right? this is because they had to be aware of their sins before they could be destroyed, correct? and the prophets therefore had to be aware of their sins, because they were the ones who had knowledge of God in the purest sense, right? so if they sinned, they would be the biggest liars on the face of the earth, correct? this is because they had the most knowledge of God, therefore their sin is maximized because they knew the consequences of their actions more than anyone, right? and liars are liars to themselves, and honest people are honest to themselves, correct? meaning that an honest person will believe himself more, and a dishonest person will distrust himself more, right? so if an angel reveals himself to a liar, they will not be able to believe their senses, because they have ruined their testimony to themselves on account of their lies, and if an angel comes to an honest person, they will be able to believe it, because they have safeguarded their own testimony.

therefore, if a prophet is a liar, he would be liable of being destroyed more than anyone on the face of the earth. This is why Allah says in the Qur'an that if Muhammad had lied about Him, he would be killed on the spot (and others who are not prophets lie about him and are not destroyed because they do not have knowledge). this also means that naturally, the jewish depiction of the prophets is incorrect, because if a prophet lies to God, then he lies to himself, and if he lies to himself, he cannot believe himself, as he lied against God. this means that the prophets had to be infallible, as sins are lies by essence and if they are honest, this means they can never sin. Salam!

>>19258665
>historical reality
>(recorded in the OT)
Self refuting

>>19258666
>God did not destroy a city until He sent them a prophet, right?
no.

>>19258655
That’s what I was going to say since I remember hearing a Muslim say that but I couldn’t find it quick enough to use it.
>>19258658
This is again based on Islamic copium. The Angel of the Lord is identified with the name Yahweh. No other beings are in the OT. Tawhid is not Biblical. God is a trinity. Cope more.
>>19258660
Clearly pedophilia, robbing caravans and taking your adopted son’s wife is the qualities of a perfect man

>>19258666
>Can I ask you both some questions? Sins are lies by essence, correct? Meaning that sins are lies to God, and when you lie to God you are also lying to yourself, right? It is the most blatant and audacious of lies to sin against God, correct? and when you murder someone, you will always be a murderer, right? and when you lie, you will always be a liar, correct (if you do not repent)? and God did not destroy a city until He sent them a prophet, right? this is because they had to be aware of their sins before they could be destroyed, correct? and the prophets therefore had to be aware of their sins, because they were the ones who had knowledge of God in the purest sense, right? so if they sinned, they would be the biggest liars on the face of the earth, correct? this is because they had the most knowledge of God, therefore their sin is maximized because they knew the consequences of their actions more than anyone, right? and liars are liars to themselves, and honest people are honest to themselves, correct? meaning that an honest person will believe himself more, and a dishonest person will distrust himself more, right? so if an angel reveals himself to a liar, they will not be able to believe their senses, because they have ruined their testimony to themselves on account of their lies, and if an angel comes to an honest person, they will be able to believe it, because they have safeguarded their own testimony.

>therefore, if a prophet is a liar, he would be liable of being destroyed more than anyone on the face of the earth. This is why Allah says in the Qur'an that if Muhammad had lied about Him, he would be killed on the spot (and others who are not prophets lie about him and are not destroyed because they do not have knowledge). this also means that naturally, the jewish depiction of the prophets is incorrect, because if a prophet lies to God, then he lies to himself, and if he lies to himself, he cannot believe himself, as he lied against God. this means that the prophets had to be infallible, as sins are lies by essence and if they are honest, this means they can never sin. Salam!

>666

>>19258665
Again the Muslim thinks that God can’t providentially guide history and preserve His scriptures and that He can be hindered by some pagans hahaha. Do all of Israel have to be perfect men with odorless shit now?

>>19258666
Digits speak for themselves

>>19258666
This sounds like extreme talmudic pilpul (no wonder, as Islam is just heretical Christianity + spin-off of Talmudic law + incoherently retold stories from the OT). Please show me which lie from an OT prophet you are talking about.

>>19258676
Elohim has the grammatical strcture of a plural because Yvhv was an amalgamation of pre-existing semitic deities. It only became full monotheism with an antagonism from the devil when the came into contact with Zoroastrians.

>>19256547
Looking at worldwide religions it's pretty common to see a pattern: the more you reject the world the better off you'll be spiritually. Subsisting on the bare minimum you need instead of gorging yourself, renouncing the pleasures of food, sex, drunkenness and opulence, renouncing the power that violence and hatred gives you upon others, all the great mystics of the past insisted upon such these things because this taps into the truth about this world, that it is illusory and rooting yourself in it will drive you to evil.

>>19258666
If a person commits adultery, he can still be a prophet after this if he repents and God allows him to remain a prophet if it pleases God. It is God's will, nothing else that determines whose words get preserved into the ages in Holy Scripture and who is enligthened by God's spirit to proclaim prophesy. No human is worthy by himself of such a task, and also no human is unclean in the eyes of God and is a temple to the Holy Spirit, so can act as God's messenger or tool.
There is no mechanistic enlightenment you attain which you can from this point never lose when you are a prophet. This whole post sounds like a mix of Calvinist predeterminism with Talmudic legalistic reasoning. It is a very magical system where a sin from a prophet somehow has to kill him if he is a real prophet, only something Arab pagans would be impressed by.

>>19258687
>Elohim has the grammatical strcture of a plural because Yvhv was an amalgamation of pre-existing semitic deities. It only became full monotheism with an antagonism from the devil when the came into contact with Zoroastrians.

>>19258687
‘Elohim’ agrees with third-person SINGULAR verbs though, thereby functioning as a singular noun. You’ve essentially BTFO yourself. We have a morphologically-plural noun that agrees with a singular verb. Plurality in unity! Three hypostases in one person! More proof of the Trinity.

Praise God!

>>19258687
>>19258687 #
‘Elohim’ agrees with third-person SINGULAR verbs though, thereby functioning as a singular noun. You’ve essentially BTFO yourself. We have a morphologically-plural noun that agrees with a singular verb. Plurality in unity! Three hypostases in one nature! More proof of the Trinity.

Praise God!

>>19258716
>‘Elohim’ agrees with third-person SINGULAR verbs though, thereby functioning as a singular noun. You’ve essentially BTFO yourself. We have a morphologically-plural noun that agrees with a singular verb. Plurality in unity! Three hypostases in one nature! More proof of the Trinity.

>Praise God!
Transcendentally based...

>>19258687
>Yvhv was an amalgamation of pre-existing semitic deities
>because... because it just was, ok?!

>>19258716
>Elohim’ agrees with third-person SINGULAR verbs though, thereby functioning as a singular noun.
Of course, they were syntethizing the old pantheon into a single deity. The grammatical forms follow.

>>19258701
>he can still be a prophet
If a prime minister threatened their country, and acted like a fool at a committee, would they not be replaced? Prophets are representatives of God on Earth. If they are representatives of the truth, then they must be completely of the truth, as falsehood cannot mix with truth, as the Qur'an states. Prophets are not just enlightened sages that God has revealed some truths to. Prophets are messengers who seek to show their people their own sins.

Don't believe the Jewish lies about the prophets. They said they were liars and de-legitimized their authority in order to have them murdered and exiled at the order of their rabbis.

>>19258745
Post where a prophet lied. I still don't understand what you are going on about.

>>19258768
>>19258666

>>19257252
>The prophets never called their people to worship God's Son and you are aware of this
"Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling. Kiss the Son, lest He be angry and you perish in your rebellion, when His wrath ignites in an instant. Blessed are all who take refuge in Him." (Psalm 2:11-12)

"For unto us a Child is born,
Unto us a Son is given;
And the government will be upon His shoulder.
And His name will be called
Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

Of the increase of His government and peace
There will be no end,
Upon the throne of David and over His kingdom,
To order it and establish it with judgment and justice
From that time forward, even forever.
The zeal of the Lord of hosts will perform this." (Isaiah 9:6-7)

“I saw in the night visions, and behold, with the clouds of heaven there came one like a son of man,
and he came to the Ancient of Days and was presented before him. And to him was given dominion and glory and a kingdom, that all peoples, nations, and languages should serve him; his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom one that shall not be destroyed." (Daniel 7:13-14)

Why do Muhammedans always pretend to know the Old Testament, when they clearly have never read it? Are your apologists and sheikhs really this weak?

>>19258029
>This is indeed true of those who have not received the Holy Spirit
you mean normal people
did christ himself ever refer to such a thing

>>19258771
Show me the verse where a prophet speaks a lie.
Sin is not a lie, sin is going against God's will. Lying is a just another way to sin.

>>19258787
Joh 20:21-23
Jesus said to them again, “Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, even so I am sending you.”
And when he had said this, he breathed on them and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit.
If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven them; if you withhold forgiveness from any, it is withheld.”

Acts 19:5-6
On hearing this, they were baptized into the name of the Lord Jesus. And when Paul laid his hands on them, the Holy Spirit came upon them, and they spoke in tongues and prophesied.

Holy Spirit given by Jesus to the disciples - from then on, it is transferred through the laying on of hands through an unbroken chain of those successors of the apostles.

Mohammadanism is just a Christian heresy.
It is crypto-Nestorianism (they think Christ is a word of Allah) with added gnostic beliefs like Christ not suffering but it only seeming so.
Reminder that the guy who convinced Mohammad that the "Jibril" he met was an angel and not a demon (like Mohammad originally thought) was a heretical Christian priest.

>>19258742
You’ve been refuted. Angel of the Lord, the name of Elohim, the prophecies of the OT, the divine claims of Jesus in the Gospels. You have to be braindead (i.e. Muslim) to deny them.

"Christians" like to pretend they are pious people, but as soon as Islam is brought up they reveal the depth of their diseased hearts. O God, Your greetings and peace be upon Jesus the Messiah, Your word, he who was Your pious servant. We know that these sick souls have nothing to do with the Prophet of God. May God save us from these Satanic traps.

>>19258860
The Muslim reveals himself to be a crypto-Pharisee.
>And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others. Truly I tell you, they have received their reward in full.

>>19258860
>Your word
?
How is the Word of God a creature?

>>19258869
God says, "be", and the creature is created.
>>19258865
I have only ever prayed in my house, or somewhere secluded. Sending greetings to God's Prophets is not prayer nor hypocrisy.

>>19258877
You’re giving self-righteous prayers on 4chan for other people to read. Wow you’re so pious, buddy. Jesus rebuked people like you.

>>19258883
I am stating my aversion to idolaters. Jesus had nothing to do with idolaters.

>>19258860
>Jesus the Messiah, Your word
Where did the idea that Jesus is the Word come from? What is the Word of God, in the context of Second Temple Judaism? What resources would you look at to see how the Jews in this period understood what the Word meant? If "By the Word of the Lord the heavens were established" (Zabur 33:6), what does it mean for Jesus to be the Word of the Lord? According to Islamic theology, can God have a partner in creation? If Jesus is God's Word, and it was the Word of God who created the world, does God have a partner in creation? If not, does that mean the Word is divine?
>May God save us from these Satanic traps.
"And when you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others"

>>19256547
>Mohammed
>profound
The quran is illegible shit. Mohammed often used it to give himself special privileges too, which is hilarious in what is supposed to be the Perfect Word of God. Notable examples:
>only the prophet can have more than 4 wives.
>if someone visits the prophet's house, they must not stay too long in order to not annoy him.
>nobody can marry the prophet's wives after his death.
>once Aisha was accused by THREE (3) witnesses to have cheated on Mohammed, who, to avoid a reputation as a cuck, decided that Allah demanded at least four witnesses to prove cheating. (and that's still the law in sharia codes)
>once his wives got pissy at him and Allah helpfully sent a revelation to tell them to not annoy him.
Fucking ridiculous that almost 2 billion people believe this shit. Hysterical.

>>19258895
You framed it as an invocation to God. If you had any respect for God at all you wouldn’t puff yourself up on 4chan and post “prayers”. You did it for the attention of men, not God, and thus, as Jesus said, you will have your reward, i.e. the attention. You take God’s name in vain. I would expect no less from Muslims. You are Pharisees in another form. False piety is one of the main marks of Mohammedans

>>19257585
He is a sower of discord.

buhdda was the only one who realized fasting was stupid

>>19258903
Here’s more perfect Word of God. 33:53-

>O Ye who believe! Enter not the dwellings of the Prophet for a meal without waiting for the proper time, unless permission be granted you. But if ye are invited, enter, and, when your meal is ended, then disperse. Linger not for conversation. Lo! that would cause annoyance to the Prophet, and he would be shy of (asking) you (to go); but Allah is not shy of the truth. And when ye ask of them (the wives of the Prophet) anything, ask it of them from behind a curtain. That is purer for your hearts and for their hearts. And it is not for you to cause annoyance to the messenger of Allah, nor that ye should ever marry his wives after him. Lo! that in Allah's sight would be an enormity.

>>19258900
>Where did the idea that Jesus is the Word come from?
The Qur'an refers to Jesus as "Kalam ul-Lah" - the Word of God.
>and it was the Word of God who created the world
Only God himself created the world. He has no partners.

Regarding your last quote, God instructs Muslims to encourage the good deeds and discourage the bad (Amr bi al-Ma'ruf and Nahy an al-Munkar). I can't simply walk away when these people insult Muhammad - peace be upon him and his progeny - and ascribe lies to Jesus.

>>19258909
God knows my intention. Now go ahead and ascribe false deeds to God's infallible Prophets.

>>19258923
>literally making a mere human being a created ‘word of God’
Islam is so dumb, it’s amazing

>>19258928
The demon you worship lauds your self-righteous 4chan prayers, I’m sure.

>>19258934
Again, I did not pray. Sending greetings to God's Friends is something we do in every day conversations. If it came across as prayer, I sincerely apologize.

>>19258923
>The Qur'an refers to Jesus as "Kalam ul-Lah" - the Word of God.
That is not what I asked. I said, "Where did the idea that Jesus is the Word come from?". Do you believe the Qur'an is the first book which calls Jesus the Word of God? If not, where did it come from?
>Only God himself created the world. He has no partners.
But the Word of the Lord created the world, right? That is what the Prophet David said in the divinely revealed Zabur 33:6.
>God instructs Muslims to encourage the good deeds and discourage the bad
We are just pointing out that you are publicly praying to be seen by others - abhorrent for those who believe the teachings of Jesus Christ, but encouraged for Muslims.
>>19258943
>Again, I did not pray.
You said "May God save us from these Satanic traps". Do you know what "prayer" means? If you did, you would know that this is obviously prayer.

>>19258930
Jesus was the word of God in that he came from the word "Be" and he was. kun fayakun. He was the incarnation of the symbolic creating faculty of the Lord, similar to Adam who was created without a mother and father. It's an honorific like "the friend of God" or "the knight of God". It's not that he was God's creating faculty IN HIMSELF. He was a sign of the day of judgment, where God is going to breath life into the dead.

>>19258943
You invoked God and said “O God” and addressed him directly. That is a prayer. Read Matthew 6:1-14, it will be good for your soul.

>>19258852
>Angel of the Lord, the name of Elohim, the prophecies of the OT, the divine claims of Jesus in the Gospels
All proofs of polytheism. If yoh have nothing more to add to the discussion, then I accept your concession.

>>19258955
>Jesus was created
Blasphemous

>>19258963
He was a man.

>>19258962
All proofs of the triune nature of God. You have a presupposition that the Bible MUST be corrupted and that the Qur’an is right. This is of course entirely groundless. The Bible has numerous prophecies which have been fulfilled which lend great credibility to it, such as Daniel 9.24-27. The Qur’an has none of this. Literally nothing. If you read the Bible with an open mind and not through an Islamic lens you would see all of this.

>>19258966
Wholly man and wholly God. Just like the Bible prophesizes.

>>19257838
>When I fasted for 17 days I legitimately had dreams where I could see the future.
do tell

>>19258978
"They have certainly disbelieved who say, 'Allah is the Messiah, the son of Mary' while the Messiah has said, 'O Children of Israel, worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord.'" (5:72)

>>19258029
>This is indeed true of those who have not received the Holy Spirit (because you ignore all knowledge available to you).
you're gambling on the 4 gospels being authentic accounts of Christ as opposed to the dozens of other gospels

>>19258989
The Qur’an has no prophecies to confirm its validity, and there are no prophecies to predict Muhammad or the Qur’an, as all of the other scriptures were rejected as corrupt. There’s no reason to care what this schizo-rant says

>>19258999
The four Gospels are widely known to be the earliest accounts and were accepted as the authentic accounts by the tradition of the church, as opposed to later, heretical gospels.

>>19258999
This becomes less of a gamble, and more of a logical and obvious choice, when you realize the students of the disciples (the apostolic fathers) only testified that the four gospels we have today are valid ones - indeed St. Irenaeus even testifies to Johannine authorship of the Gospel of John, which is an incredibly authoritative witness, as Irenaeus himself was a disciple of the apostolic father Polycarp, a student of John. If anybody would know, he would.

>>19259006
>The Torah have no prophecies to confirm its validity, and there are no prophecies to predict Moses or the Torah
There is a reason to care. The reason is that its the truth, and you know it.

>>19258951
>If not, where did it come from?
From God, evidently.
>But the Word of the Lord created the world, right?
The Lord Himself created the world. It may be so that God creates by the means of his Words, but that wouldn't mean the Words are the creators. There is no Creator but He. Also, the book currently known as the Torah, as the Jews admit, have been rewritten and altered numerous times, and such cannot be relied upon. The true and pure Torah and Injil and Zabur are in possession of Imam al-Mahdi, and he will reveal them to the people once he returns.
>Do you know what "prayer" means?
Prayer has elaborate rules in Islam. Simple invocations are not prayers. Even so, if a prayer is sincere, there is nothing wrong with praying in public. In fact public prayers in Fridays are highly encouraged in Islam.

Prioritized thoughts are altered in deprivation

>>19259022
Daniel 9.24-27 confirms Christianity

>>19256547
>ctrl+f ketones
>0 results
Fasting quite literally changes your brain chemistry, it switches your energy source to ketones which has been known to have positive cognitive effects.

>>19259033
Christianity as defined is the worship of the incarnate son of God. Where does it say here that the son of God will be worshipped, or that God has a son?

>>19259027
>From God, evidently.
Why are you picking and choosing which questions to answer? I asked quite clearly, "Do you believe the Qur'an is the first book which calls Jesus the Word of God"? If not, where did that title for Jesus come from?
>The Lord Himself created the world
The inspired zabur of David say that the Word of the Lord created the universe. Does that mean that the Word is the Lord?
>It may be so that God creates by the means of his Words, but that wouldn't mean the Words are the creators.
The text does not say plural "words" (dabarim), but the singular "Word" (dabar).
>and such cannot be relied upon
Do you have any evidence of any major corruptions in the Old Testament? Because I have myriad evidence that it is 99% similar (the Dead Sea Scrolls) - and the Qur'an itself had many alterations and lost chapters, which still persist to this day, even though Uthman burned all of these altered copies.

>>19259050
You have already been told all of this stuff over and over.

Daniel 7.9-14 shows the Ancient of Days giving one like a Son of Man everlasting dominion over all nations, peoples and languages. Jesus referred to himself the Son of Man. Mere creations are not given everlasting dominion.

Daniel 9.24-27 predicts that the Messiah will be here by a certain date, calculated to be ~30 A.D., which is the time of the baptism of Jesus, and then that the Messiah will die, and the Temple will be destroyed, and that foreign armies will destroy Jerusalem. This happened in 70 A.D.

Isaiah 9:6-7 says that to us a child will be born, a son, “and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.” A son called Mighty God? Gee, who could it be?

Amos 4:12-13, chiefly in the non-corrupted Septuagint texts:
>Therefore thus will I do to thee, O Israel: nay because I will do thus to thee, prepare to call on thy God, O Israel.
>For, behold, I am he that strengthens the thunder, and creates the wind, and proclaims to men his Christ, forming the morning and the darkness, and mounting on the high places of the earth, The Lord God Almighty is his name.

Every Angel of the Lord mention: >>19257316

Zechariah 12:10
>And I will pour out on the house of David and the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and supplication. They will look on me, the one they have pierced, and they will mourn for him as one mourns for an only child, and grieve bitterly for him as one grieves for a firstborn son.

Proof is everywhere. The prophecies came true

>>19259071
>I asked quite clearly, "Do you believe the Qur'an is the first book which calls Jesus the Word of God"? If not, where did that title for Jesus come from?
I am not sure, but probably not. Why do you ask?
>The inspired zabur of David say that the Word of the Lord created the universe. Does that mean that the Word is the Lord?
Lol, what is this sophistry? Jesus is the Word in the sense that God created him by saying "be". The world at large he also created by saying "be". As the anon above said, referring to Jesus as the Word is an honorific for Jesus.
>Do you have any evidence of any major corruptions in the Old Testament?
I have read in academic scholarship that the Jews rewrote the old testament once they came in contact with the Greeks. If you want citations, I will provide them once I get to my pc (I'm phoneposting, sorry).

>>19259100
>I am not sure, but probably not. Why do you ask?
Considering you are dialoguing with Christians, you should be aware of this. That title, that Jesus Christ is the "Word of God", is from the Gospel of John, chapter 1. It is from here that Muhammad took it - likely secondhand, because he could not read. Now, the reason I ask - do you think John just so happened to come up with this title by pure chance, which lucky guess was later confirmed by the "divinely revealed" Qur'an, or do you believe that this truth - that Jesus is the Word of God - was divinely revealed to John?

>>19259100
>Jesus is the Word in the sense that God created him by saying "be". The world at large he also created by saying "be".
So why is the world not called the Word of God? Why is Adam not called the Word of God? Why are the angels not called the Word of God? Why is that title, which could apply to myriads of entities, only applied to Jesus Christ?
>referring to Jesus as the Word is an honorific for Jesus.
Where does it say in the Qur'an that the title "Word of God" is merely an honorific, and does not disclose something about the essence of who Jesus is? Or does it not say it, and you are just reading it into the text because of prior beliefs?
>I have read in academic scholarship that the Jews rewrote the old testament once they came in contact with the Greeks.
You are talking about the Septuagint. None of the Septuagint translation has any major deviation from the storyline or prophesies of the Old Testament, only a slightly different tradition of some dates and minor details like the heights of giants. The essence of the text is not changed at all. These types of minor imperfections occur whenever texts are translated into another language, as you will obviously know from how Islamic apologists lambast critics to "read the original Arabic". Again, to reiterate, I have not found any evidence of major corruptions in the Old Testament. It is all minor insignificant details, just like the variant recitations of the Qur'an.

I've been eating once a day for 4 years now and only recently discovered what it's called.

>>19259122
>>19259122
>was divinely revealed to John?
Why does it have to be divine revelation? Could he not have heard it from Jesus himself, or other disciples? You have no evidence for your false accusations of the Prophet.
>So why is the world not called the Word of God?
Jesus in particular is called the Word of God because that is how he was conceived. He did not have a father, but God said "be", and he came into existence. Jesus being called the Word of God refers to the exceptional way he was born. But it is not just Jesus that God created, but He creates with His word everything that He wants.
>None of the Septuagint translation has any major deviation
No, there are major deviations. I will post them later.

>>19259261
>No, there are major deviations. I will post them later.
Noc there’s not. I have read translations of both Masoretic and Septuagint-based texts and the differences are absolutely minor. I can guarantee that you’ve never read either in full. Evidence shows too that the Masoretic Hebrew text is in fact younger than the Septuagint, and is likely a Jewish redaction made against Christianity. All of the Church Fathers used the Septuagint, and this is what is quoted in almost every place in the New Testament.

>>19259261
>Why does it have to be divine revelation?
Because it is confirmed in your Qur'an, which you believe to be the divinely inspired inerrant and eternal speech of Allah. Thus, if some extremely important detail is identical to something found in this divinely inspired eternal word of Allah hundreds of years before it was ever written, from your perspective, it should be obvious that the former was divinely revealed, right? Or do you think that the Qur'an is a mixture of human and divine speech?
>Could he not have heard it from Jesus himself, or other disciples?
And where would Jesus have heard it from? No matter which way you spin it, it is obviously either a divinely revealed truth, or a lie.
>You have no evidence for your false accusations of the Prophet.
I have not made any false accusation - we both know he could not read, and we both know that the idea "Jesus is the Word of God" was directly copied from the Gospel of John - unless you believe John was separately divinely inspired, which you can obviously not accept, because of what he testifies to about the Lord Jesus. Besides that, you have no evidence for the fact that Muhammad was even a prophet besides your intuition (just like a pagan or a new-age Buddhist), but I will leave that point aside for now.
>Jesus in particular is called the Word of God because that is how he was conceived. He did not have a father, but God said "be", and he came into existence.
This is also how Adam and the angels were created. But why are Adam and the angels also not called the Word of God? It is almost as if there is something unique about how Jesus is the Word of God...
>No, there are major deviations. I will post them later.
No, there are not. It is in minor details like dates and heights. Unlike you, I have actually used both in my reading of the scriptures.

>>19259315
>And where would Jesus have heard it from?
I don't see a reason for a disciple being given revelations. Jesus was a Prophet, so he receives revelations from God. This is very simple, is it not?
>was directly copied from the Gospel of John
You have no evidence for this either. It was revealed to Muhammad (peace be upon him and his progeny), just as it was revealed to Jesus.
>Besides that, you have no evidence for the fact that Muhammad was even a prophet
The Qur'an is evidence enough, so is his life and his conduct, and so is the life and conduct of his successor and his progeny. But I know my saying this would result in you posting lies about their lives.
>This is also how Adam and the angels were created. But why are Adam and the angels also not called the Word of God?
Angels were created before the material world, and Adam was the first man. In both cases they both will not have human fathers evidently. In the day and age Jesus came into life, however, every person was born from the union of a man and a woman. Mary giving birth to Jesus without his having a father is indeed miraculous, and that is why he receives the title, describing the miracle.

>>19259392
>I don't see a reason for a disciple being given revelations.
The disciples became prophets after receiving the Holy Spirit from Jesus. This is clear if you read what Jesus says in the Gospels.
>It was revealed to Muhammad (peace be upon him and his progeny), just as it was revealed to Jesus.
Do you have any evidence that the title "You are the Word of God" was revealed to Jesus, or are you just making that up to discount the Gospel of John? The Qur'an itself explicitly affirms that the Gospel and Torah in possession of the Christians in the 7th century was the word of God - and we know that this Gospel was the same four Gospels as we have now, including John:
"Children of Israel, remember My blessing wherewith I blessed you, and fulfil My covenant and I shall fulfil your covenant; and have awe of Me. And believe in that I have sent down, confirming that WHICH IS WITH YOU, and be not the first to disbelieve in it. And sell not My signs for a little price; and fear you Me." (Sura 2:40-44)

"When there has come to them a Messenger from God confirming WHAT WAS WITH THEM, a party of them that were given the Book reject the Book of God behind their backs, as though they knew not," (Sura 2:101)

"You who have been given the Book, believe in what We have sent down, confirming WHAT IS WITH YOU, before We obliterate faces, and turn them upon their backs, or curse them as We cursed the Sabbath-men, and God’s command is done." (Sura 4:47)

>The Qur'an is evidence enough
The Qur'an itself is a mediocre book of prose which contains numerous factual errors and inconsistencies. It is only "evidence" to those who lack sufficient critical thinking skills.
>so is his life and his conduct,
Which part - the one where the 53-year "prophet" rapes a 9-year old who still played with dolls? Or the part where he yells at an orphan girl for no reason and makes her cry? How about the part where he allows his followers to take married women as sex slaves and rape them while their husbands are still alive? Or, maybe the part where he allows literal prostitution (mut'ah) for his followers? Oh, maybe you're talking about the part where he marries his adopted son's wife, committing adultery? Muhammad was a sexual deviant, a perverted pedophile.

>and that is why he receives the title, describing the miracle.
Where does it say this in the Qur'an? Or are you just reading that into the text to avoid the obvious conclusion - that the title was copied from the Gospel of John by Muhammad, without his actually knowing what it meant (just like how he copied the story of the conception of Jesus by the power of the Holy Spirit, who Muslims have to explain away by saying it was "the angel Gabriel" despite that not being in the text, to avoid the personhood of the spirit posing issues of shirk)?

>>19259392
>The Qur'an is evidence enough, so is his life and his conduct, and so is the life and conduct of his successor and his progeny
It’s not though. It’s not in accordance with actually-existing past revelations that we have though. The Qur’an is a clear forgery, and Muhammad is a polygamous and pedophilic slave-driver and bandit

>>19259468
>Which part - the one where the 53-year "prophet" rapes a 9-year old who still played with dolls? Or the part where he yells at an orphan girl for no reason and makes her cry? How about the part where he allows his followers to take married women as sex slaves and rape them while their husbands are still alive? Or, maybe the part where he allows literal prostitution (mut'ah) for his followers? Oh, maybe you're talking about the part where he marries his adopted son's wife, committing adultery? Muhammad was a sexual deviant, a perverted pedophile.
All lies.

>>19259474
The Qur'an revealed as a means to correct the state of ignorance people have been fell into. If the past religions had not been diverged from the truth, there would not have been a reason for a new religion. Your 21st century liberal bias will not change the fact that Muhammad (saw) was an Infallible, chosen Prophet of God to bring His message.

>>19259496
Nice taqiyyah.
>>19259514
Your ‘God’ can’t even providentially preserve his own scriptures, telling. You have no prophecies or anything that confirms the Qur’an. A holy pedophile bandit isn’t proof either

>>19259496
>All lies.
You must be a Shi'ite, for you are lying bare-faced. I will provide evidence for all of my statements explicitly, because unlike Muslims, we Christians do not lie.

>rapes a 9-year old
"Narrated Hisham's father: Khadija died three years before the Prophet departed to Medina. He stayed there for two years or so and then he married 'Aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consumed that marriage when she was nine years old." (Sahih Bukhari 5:58:236)
>yells at an orphan girl for no reason and makes her cry
https://sunnah.com/muslim:2603 (Sahih Muslim 2603)
>he allows his followers to take married women as sex slaves and rape them while their husbands are still alive
https://sunnah.com/muslim:1456b (Sahih Muslim 1456b)
>he allows literal prostitution (mut'ah)\
"Narrated Abdullah: We used to participate in the holy wars carried on by the Prophet and we had no women (wives) with us. So we said (to the Prophet ). "Shall we castrate ourselves?" But the Prophet forbade us to do that and thenceforth he allowed us to marry a woman (temporarily) by giving her even a garment, and then he recited: "O you who believe! Do not make unlawful the good things which Allah has made lawful for you." (Sahih Bukhari 6:60:139)

"Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah and Salama bin Al-Akwa': While we were in an army, Allah's Apostle came to us and said, "You have been allowed to do the Mut'a (marriage), so do it." Salama bin Al-Akwa' said: Allah's Apostle's said, "If a man and a woman agree (to marry temporarily), their marriage should last for three nights, and if they like to continue, they can do so; and if they want to separate, they can do so." I do not know whether that was only for us or for all the people in general." (Sahih Bukhari 7:62:52)

>marries his adopted son's wife
"Then when Zayd had dissolved (his marriage) with her, with the necessary (formality), We joined her in marriage to thee: in order that (in future) there may be no difficulty to the Believers in (the matter of) marriage with the wives of their adopted sons, when the latter have dissolved with the necessary (formality) (their marriage) with them. And Allah's command must be fulfilled." (Sura 33:37)

All of these are Sahih hadith, as you know (for non-Muslims, this means they are the highest level of veracity and authority).

Liars will not inherit the kingdom of heaven. Repent, cease following your false anti-Christ prophet, and turn to the Lord Jesus Christ.

>>19259564
Muslim bros, I don’t feel so good...

>>19259537
Not taqiyah. They are all false. Muhammad (saw) did not marry Aisha when she was 9. The narrations from Aisha are unreliable. The exact date is unknown, but based on calculations of the events close to it, she was between 16 to 21 years old when she got married.
The Prophet was by all accounts extremely gentle. I have not heard anything about his shouting at orphans (which is a ridiculous claim).
A free person, whether man or woman, who becomes a slave has their marriage nullified, so you cannot have a 'married slave'.
Mut'ah means temporary marriage - you should know that in Islamic law a woman ending a marriage must wait three months to get married again (whether temporary or permanent). This rules out "prostitution" claim for mut'ah.
He did marry the *ex*-wife of his adopted son, and there is nothing wrong with that. Or can you prove that there is?
Was that all you had, all false accusations? If that is all, I had enough of it.

>>19259564
>You must be a Shi'ite
I am Shia. Your "evidence" all come from sunni sources, which we disregard. "Sahih" Muslim and Bukhari mean nothing to me. Please do show how my statements contradict Shia sources, or else stop slandering Shias.

>>19259592
>The narrations from Aisha are unreliable
They are Sahih. You are literally lying bare faced.
And those who no longer expect menstruation among your women - if you doubt, then their period is three months, and [also for] those who have not menstruated. And for those who are pregnant, their term is until they give birth. And whoever fears Allah - He will make for him of his matter ease.
Quran 65:4
Narrated Hisham's father: Khadija died three years before the Prophet departed to Medina. He stayed there for two years or so and then he married 'Aisha when she was a girl of six years of age, and he consumed that marriage when she was nine years old.
Sahih Bukhari 5:58:236
Narrated 'Aisha: that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).
Sahih Bukhari 7:62:64
Narrated 'Aisha: I used to play with the dolls in the presence of the Prophet, and my girl friends also used to play with me. When Allah's Apostle used to enter (my dwelling place) they used to hide themselves, but the Prophet would call them to join and play with me. (The playing with the dolls and similar images is forbidden, but it was allowed for 'Aisha at that time, as she was a little girl, not yet reached the age of puberty.) (Fateh-al-Bari page 143, Vol.13)
Sahih Bukhari 8:73:151
'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his house when I was nine years old.'
Sahih Muslim 8:3310
'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported that Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) married her when she was seven years old, and he was taken to his house as a bride when she was nine, and her dolls were with her; and when he (the Holy Prophet) died she was eighteen years old.
Sahih Muslim 8:3311
Aisha said, "The Apostle of Allah married me when I was seven years old." (The narrator Sulaiman said: "Or six years."). "He had intercourse with me when I was 9 years old.
Sunan Abu Dawud 2116 (Ahmad Hasan Ref)

>I have not heard anything about his shouting at orphans (which is a ridiculous claim).
I gave you the Sahih hadith.

>you cannot have a 'married slave'.
Yeah, if you keep a married woman you just took captive and rape her every day, you aren't raping a married woman as a sex slave. You sure showed me, I'm so dumb!

>This rules out "prostitution" claim for mut'ah.
Yeah, a three-month marriage to give a girl a dowry, bang her like a whore, and then divorce her, is totally not prostitution. You sure showed me! Alhamdullilah!

>Was that all you had, all false accusations? If that is all, I had enough of it.
Yeah, everybody else can see clearly that you follow a disgusting and immoral pedophile. I know that you are too invested right now to actually analyze who you are following. I am only expending this effort for lurkers, my friend Abdul ibn Mut'ah.

>>19259616
>They are Sahih.
They are "sahih" - for Sunnis. Again, you are giving sunni narrators from a sunni book. We do not consider them reliable.

>>19259592
> Muhammad (saw) did not marry Aisha when she was 9.
Yeah because Muhammad (piss be upon him) married her when she was even younger. Six years old. That’s the age of a kindergartener.
>The narrations from Aisha are unreliable
Cope, it’s sahih.

>>19259606
There’s the proof. It’s taqiyyah all the way down

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