/lit/ - Literature

>>19206325
Cucky orthodox amazon, co opted israel jewish shill, big beard and cross on wood or on gold? wood jewish and gold based, orthdox jew shill buddha

>>19206337

>>19206341
eastern exposed meditation, amazon shipping jews 1 week, get buddhist prime to expose orthodox shill

>>19206325
Dude was an actual fag that died of punctured intestines. He was literally buttfucked to death at some monastery

>>19206337
>>19206349
>>19206354
In the name of Lord Jesus Christ, I banish you demons

>>19206363
it could be crypto cucky cucks, the ones that loves wood and hate gold, why would they control system? when eastern people are shills? is buddhist primes for based gold? they love to meditate.

>>19206325
>Why is it that Eastern religious ideas are shilled so heavily today?
They aren't. They shill you things like meditation so that you can use it like an antidepressant. Just meditate, calm yourself, then get the fuck back to work for globohomo HQ. Don't do anything to change your situation. They won't ever shill parts of eastern religions that actually go counter to the narrative.
It's the same thing as how they shill Christianity's love thy neighbour stuff because they can use it to sound pro mass migration but don't like it if you use it to actually criticise your government or anti human corporate culture.

>>19206397
Globohomo wants to be supreme when cucks meditate, why do cucky cucks meditate when globohomo is supreme? the narrative is to be homo but cucky wants to be straight, globohomo doesn't want cucky to be straight because they are homo shills.
just the same old wood vs gold based, its always jewish wood.

>>19206325
Fr. Seraphim is indeed correct. The spirit of the age (and all its archons and powers) is making forerunners of his Antichrist to prepare the way for him. It is part of the global apostasy from Christ. Protestantism too is a big part of it, not just Eastern demon-worship since they do not believe in correct doctrine about the Antichrist. Muslims too will fall into his hands and believe the Antichrist to be 'Mahdi' or the Messiah himself.
https://youtu.be/2BlgrdiZ0P8
https://youtu.be/NWqUNzYul1c

>>19206363
Extremely based, brother. The demons seem to get energized immediately upon hearing Fr. Seraphim's name. We should pray for these people under demonic control.

>>19206397
>so that you can use it like an antidepressant
That is all 'meditation' is essentially even in the Eastern sense. It's you obtaining a 'spiritual high' by communing with fallen spirits. The highest form of this is getting so deluded so as to deny even your own body and mind as illusory, claiming that your very personhood is eternal and divine.

>>19206325
>mindfullness practice room
This isn't real, is it, anons?

>>19206325
Buddha was a Scythian and you are a Jew

>>19206506
Why are you people so fucking stupid? Christianity itself formerly engaged in practices nearly identical to meditation. You're so busy talking about demons or whatever like a total illiterate and you don't even bother to learn your own religion's history.

>>19206574
>nearly identical to meditation
>nearly
Outward appearance is meaningless if the core activity is inherently different, namely prayer to Christ vs. prayer to demons.

Meditation strengthens your mind
Amazon attempts to curb employees mental breakdown
???
Meditation MUST be the problem here

>>19206580
Also, Eastern meditation was a stolen idolatrous misadaptation of the Adamic tradition for worshipping God.

>>19206580
>namely prayer to Christ vs. prayer to demons.
I CALL ON YOU OH DEMONS, BANISH THIS POSTER TO THE DEEPEST BOWELS OF HELL WHERE HE WILL BE SPEARED WITH BURNING PITCHFORKS FOR ALL ETERNITY

>>19206588
It destroys your mind, since it gets you further away from the source of the mind Who is the Logos. You may become "smarter" in the worldly sense, but meditation will inevitable lead to the breakdown of your intelligence in either this life or upon death, plunging you into the depths of hell.

>>19206592
The demon has absolutely no power over me if not allowed by Christ Himself. Also, the demons do not have the keys of hell anymore, Christ does.

>>19206599
OH CHRIST, I PRAY TO YOU TO PLEASE ALLOW THE DEMONS TO TAKE THIS POSTER DOWN TO HELL WHERE HE WILL BE BOILED IN FLAMING DUNG FOR TEN BILLION YEARS

>>19206325
>guys read this book by a Californian who converted to Orthodoxy
>Why is it that Eastern religious ideas are shilled so heavily today?
Based and densepilled

>>19206596
Amazing, were you teleported here from 1960s Alabama?

>>19206580
Okay you motherfuker. You have used my name in vain for the last time. I condemn you to an eternity in Hell for your blasphemy.

>>19206606
You'll surely be taken there yourself if you do not repent for making fun of Christ's name.

If anyone still does not believe in the existence of demons, it's sufficient to open any Fr. Seraphim Rose thread. The demons immediately crawl out to spam negative thoughts about him.

>>19206647
>If anyone still does not believe in the existence of demons
I'm not an illiterate tribesman living in the African bush, so, no, I don't believe in demons.

>>19206641
I did not make fun of Christ's name. I prayed a very earnest prayer that you would face justice for your many horrible sins. I'm mainly afraid that if you don't get sent to Hell you will continue to torment people in Heaven with your depraved opinions.

>>19206354
Is this true

>>19206657
>you would face justice for your many horrible sins
Thankfully I have Christ who can forgive my horrible sins and allow me to worship Him eternally in the New Jerusalem.
>continue to torment people in Heaven with your depraved opinions
Everyone in Heaven would absolutely agree with the fact that meditation is demoinc.

>>19206678
It's true he died of some intestinal bleeding, but there's no reason to think he was buttfucked to death. He lived in a one-person wooden shack with no running water, so I wouldn't be surprised if that was the cause instead of some fetishistic delusion of monastic life.

>>19206682
I HAVE ALREADY TOLD YOU TO STOP POSTING YOUR UNHOLY OPINIONS HERE! You are only making things worse for yourself! For each additional post you make in this thread, you will be sentenced to an extra 50 million years of Hellish torment!!

@19206696
>you will be sentenced to an extra 50 million years of Hellish torment!!
Nice try, demon. Hell and its torment is eternal.

>>19206693
>He lived in a one-person wooden shack
That was on the grounds of a monastery with other faggy monks. And you skipped the part about him being an "ex"-gay

I'm not usually attracted to men but I find orthodox monks very attractive what does this mean?

>>19206706
Holy fuck. Imagine what you're in for in the afterlife if you not only deny the salvation of Christ, but claim that He was a demon.

>>19206325
Zen: a rational critique by Ernest Becker

>>19206716
I'm into that shit. I'm wearing a gimp suit as I type this

>>19206707
Why do you think betraying everything he publicly stood for, and engaging in hard gay ass-fucking is more likely than getting some kinda disease from living in a shack? What does this say about you, Satan? Are you gay?

>>19206715
Because monasticism is true beauty since it is emulating Christ.

>>19206682
>Everyone in Heaven would absolutely agree with the fact that meditation is demoinc.
What does "demoinc" mean?

As an aside, I can tell from the way you type that you are homosexual.

>>19206726
Yeah, Jesus went all around Israel and Ancient Egypt and stuff, though, and had lots of adventures, and even went to parties and stuff. He didn't hide in a shed or whatever it is that monks do.

>>19206727
Meditation is a prideful temptation of the fallen angels.
Demonic activity here is synergistic activity of a human and a fallen angel.

>>19206733
Why are you continuing to deny and defy the words of Jesus Christ that were posted in this very thread? It seems to me that you are the demonically influenced one. If you say meditation is bad, that means it is probably good.

Hi, everyone. It seems there's some confusion in this thread, so I just wanted to make it clear that meditation and mindfulness are absolutely fine and compatible with My teachings. In fact, there's a lot of overlap between what I preached when I was on Earth and the words of Shakyamuni Buddha. Go with peace.

>>19206325
masturbate in the Amazon stress box
become ungovernable

>>19206580
Except that's completely wrong, and not only early church fathers but christian mystics have practiced meditation while you post absolute 5 IQ spam about a religion you most likely don't even follow. I bet at least 80% of you idiots larping as orthodox cant even speak a language required to go to an orthodox church.

>>19206759
>>19206325
>>19206565
>Amazon stress box
>Amazon Introduces Tiny 'Zen' Booths For Stressed Out Employees
tfw it's actually real.

>>19206799
No Christian saint ever teaches "mindfulness" or "conciousness" garbage like the idolators do.
>cant even speak a language required to go to an orthodox church.
I'm pretty sure most anons on 4channel can speak English.

Guess it comes back to the eternal conflict between idealism and realism. How do you cope in the face of adverse conditions? Learn to accept them and find some modicum of peace in your situation, or rage against them? To take the Amazon example, how should the wageslave at some God forsaken warehouse cope?

>>19206721
I too am trying to get to the best hell. It's the only way to really test the claims of each religion. Pascal's puzzle box

>>19206800
yeah it's very kind of amazon I don't know why it upsets so many people clearly the company care for it's employees

>>19206800
What's the problem? If you're a Christian you can use it to pray or whatever if you want. I think it's kind of bs and workers would be happier given better pay and working conditions but Christfags should be thankful.

>>19206800
>“AmaZen guides employees through mindfulness practices in individual interactive kiosks at buildings. During shifts, employees can visit AmaZen stations and watch short videos featuring easy-to-follow wellbeing activities, including guided meditations, positive affirmations, calming scenes with sounds, and more.”

>>19206821
Much like how western bugpeople turned yoga into mere calisthenics they've turned meditation into mere therapeutics.

>>19206829
It's specifically a place for demonic meditation. I, as a Christian, would not use a muslim prayer room at a warehouse to pray for example.

>>19206841
working is the path to enlightenment
cope

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>>19206841
That's honestly better than using it for what the idolators originally use it for.

>>19206834
this is some dystopian shit

>>19206853
I'm sorry, do you think you're a priest of Akenaton or something?

>>19206856
It's just the HR department trying to solve turnover by giving employees benefits no one asked for and would turn down in a heartbeat for more pay.

>>19206829
>If you're a Christian you can use it to pray
Yeah, the chair and the lack of space and demonic music makes it so easy to pray in there. I could just pray outside of the evil booth if I desired to.

>>19206844
Why not? You'd be claiming it for Christ.

>>19206868
Sprinkle some water on the floor and recite the Nicene Creed. Instant jesus mandala

>>19206868
It's forbidden to pray at temples of demons. If you want to destroy it then that is fine, but using it is forbidden.

>>19206805
Completely wrong. The Way of Perfection was written as a meditative guide for nuns. St. Ignatius of Loyola was another one who encouraged meditation. Ranting about the choice of words used, like "consciousness" and calling that demonic is so ridiculous that if you had said that publicly a few hundred years ago, you would be considered to be sinning by going around talking about saints and demons while spewing absolute ignorance and making a mockery of your own religion.

>>19206884
>spewing absolute ignorance and making a mockery of your own religion.
That's the best part of this board lately

>>19206884
>St. Ignatius of Loyola
>St. Teresa of Ávila
Both heretics in prelest.

>>19206884
>your own religion
They are not any more of my religion than Joseph Smith or Jordan Peterson are.

>>19206890
First of all, you're now talking down to saints while implying you are the superior Christian, which is almost outright blasphemy.
Secondly, even if you're orthodox, hesychastic prayer is literally a form of meditation. When you're reciting a hesychasm you're literally chanting something until you start to lose touch with your senses. It works in exactly the same way to a mantra. There is no reasonable argument that meditation is demonic.
>>19206889
They're making this board significantly worse for everyone. Many threads have been nearly unreadable because of these people.

>>19206881
>a mindfulness booth is a temple of demons
God I love /lit/

here's the bottom line. all you IDOLATROUS PAGAN MOTHERFUCKERS betters top your demonic meditating, which is none other than PRAYING TO SATAN... because let me tell you, you will find it pretty hard to practice mindfulness when you are SCORCHING IN THE LAKE OF FIRE

>>19206901
>It works in exactly the same way to a mantra.
Prayer to Christ is substantially a different activity since it makes the demons fear you instead of you communing with them as a result of this 'meditation'.

>>19206884
IF YOU ARE GOING TO READ LIES OF FAKE PAPISTS THEN YOU MAY AS WELL JUST BOW DOWN AND WORSHIP SATAN RIGHT NOW

>>19206909
No it doesn't. A meditative practice where you aim to simply observe your own thoughts has absolutely nothing demonic about it. There is no "communion" with anything, because you aren't actively doing anything at all. That's precisely the same principle as hesychasm.

>>19206909
YOU ARE THE ONLY PERSON IN THIS THREAD WHO GETS IT... YOU UNDERSTAND THAT THESE HIDEOUS SATANIC NIGGERS WHO MEDITATE AND WORSHIP BUDDHA ARE GOING TO PAY IN THE END... SOONER OR LATER...

>>19206921
Clearing your thought invites demons to enter you if it's not joined with prayer.

>>19206915
Weak bait, but the Byzantines also developed meditation as already mentioned.

>>19206921
If you meditate too long, you start to hear whispering voices that tell you to kill Christians.

>>19206925
The Byzantines weren't real Christians. But I would expect nothing less than such outrageous claims from an atheist pagan as yourself.

>>19206925
>Byzantines also developed
Rather they preserved the tradition going back to Adam and the pre-flood world. The idolators also preserved it but in a distorted broken form.

>>19206924
Based on what? Meditation has been used in the church even as a simple exercise that doesn't always have to be a prayer for hundreds of years at a minimum.
Unless there is some actual reason to disregard actual church history, thinking meditation is demonic is literally 60s boomerism, nothing more.

>>19206936
>has been used in the church
Not in the Orthodox Church.
>that doesn't always have to be a prayer
Exactly what leads to prelest and is discouraged in Orthodoxy.

>>19206929
You're right, how could I forget real Christianity hadn't been tried since 2016 and saint Nick Fuentes.
Anyway, this thread has been painful enough already.

My cousin downloaded a meditation app and the second or third time he tried it, he became possessed by a demon. Thanks be to God he was exorcised by a group of Bible-Believing Christians and is now save and secure, praise be to Jesus.

>>19206924
Is it possible that Buddha was actually Satan in disguise? It would explain a lot.

>>19206942
This. They rely on imagination in prayer too which is warned against by the Holy Fathers.

>>19206958
Would you say it is a greater sin to meditate or to kill a person?

>>19206972
All sins are the same

>>19206976
So you would say that meditating and raping a baby are both equally sinful.

>>19206972
Depends. Meditation can lead to a state where you will never repent, so it can be worse than murder.

>>19206998
Both lead you into hell if you do not repent, in the global scheme for your soul it would be the same. But some sins are worse in that they leave an invisible trauma on your soul (murder, fornication), others are more immediately healed upon denouncing the sin from the heart (heresy).

>>19207001
So would you say that meditating is at least potentially more sinful than forcing a mother to eat her own baby?

>>19207006
>they leave an invisible trauma on your soul (murder, fornication)
When I was 16 I was kissing my girlfriend and I grabbed her boob. Just so I'm clear, did that traumatize my soul, or is that not severe enough to leave a permanent mark?

>>19207012
Potentially yes, meditation is more deceptive (it makes you believe you are actually doing good) while the vile act you mention is more blatantly evil.

>>19207015
Yes, it did. If you repent though and ask Christ for healing, you will be healed, anon.

>>19207016
Would you say that it's more sinful to meditate or to have sex with Satan?

>>19207026
There really is not a substantial difference between the two.

>>19207021
But isn't it also true that NOT fornicating (i.e., being a virgin loser who sits alone in the corner) also leaves an invisible scar on your soul? It's sort of a no-win situation, isn't it?

>>19206325
you are the CEO of hylics

>>19207030
Surely you'd at least agree that it's less sinful to meditate than to kill TWO people. Because meditating is just one sin, but committing two murders is two sins, and therefore approximately twice as bad.

>>19206325
lmao christianity is more pozzed than buddhism
at least with buddhism you have to completely ignore the core concepts to subvert it into some s*y meditation mindfulness crap
christianity on the other hand was pozzed from the start
>muh turn the other cheek
>muh jews chosen people
>muh rabbi yeshua
since all of the western world is completely cultureless, I might as well adopt a culture that reflects my values than some imported sand nigger shit just because my ancestors with proselytized

>>19207031
Virginity by itself is a virtue if done for Christ, it's neutral otherwise.
>>19207045
It doesn't matter how many people you murder for being damned, only the degree of eternal ill-being changes.
You still lose if you meditate/pray to Satan once and do not repent, or murder 10 people. Also if you do not accept Christ.

>>19207056
>You still lose if you meditate/pray to Satan once and do not repent, or murder 10 people.
What if I pray to Satan to stop being so evil and to become a Christian? Surely praying to Satan is okay if I do it like that.

>>19207062
The very act of idolatry is evil no matter why you do it.

>>19207063
What if someone came into my church and replaced the statue of Jesus with a statue of Satan, and I didn't notice it until after I started praying? Then I would be praying to Satan by accident while meaning to pray to Jesus. Surely that wouldn't count as evil.

>>19206901
I think that OP is just a troll, I refuse to believe that someone can be so hilarious and retarded

>>19207068
>praying by accident
No such thing. It's not a statue you worship or pray to, but Christ Himself.

>>19207077
In that case, what if Satan tricked me into praying to him? Like, if I meant to be Christian but Satan tricked me into worshiping him instead. Does that still count as a sin?

>>19207063
>The very act of idolatry is evil

>>19207084
Yes, that's exactly what happens to the protestant. It is a very common occurrence nowadays.

>>19207089
If Satan accepted Jesus as his savior, would that mean he didn't have to live in Hell anymore?

>>19207095
Satan doesn't live in hell anon. He's the prince of this world

>>19207095
Tradition holds that he was actually offered to repent by standing on one leg for some time and asking Christ for forgiveness, but he refused. Satan does not repent because of his evil use of his free will.

>>19207100
Okay, well, if Satan converted to Christianity, would he get to go to Heaven and live there for eternity?

By the same token, if Jesus became an atheist, would he have to go to Hell?

>>19207104
>Okay, well, if Satan converted to Christianity, would he get to go to Heaven and live there for eternity?
he wouldn't anon. He rejected god in eternity. Not matter what happens satan will always and forever reject God and Christ.

>>19207104
>By the same token, if Jesus became an atheist, would he have to go to Hell?
(No idea why I didn't quote this post too) How could Jesus become an atheist if he's god? He's not a normal person anon he's a part of the godhead.

>>19207113
>How could Jesus become an atheist if he's god?
He has free will, doesn't he? I mean, he could become an atheist if he chose to, I assume.

>>19207104
>if Jesus became an atheist
That's not a possibility since Christ is not a fallen human with an unenligthened mind and spirit. Christ's divinity fully interpenetrates His human nature. He is in full control of creation and gives it its reality, even as an infant in Bethlehem.

>>19207117
Free will as we know it (I can do this good or this evil) is a post-fall corruption. Christ did not have corrupted will like we do or Adam did, and it always freely chooses the good.

>>19207120
Okay, here's a real brain-teaser. What if Jesus worshiped Satan? Would that make Jesus evil because he was worshiping Satan? Or would it make Satan good because he was being worshiped by Jesus?

And don't give me any shit about how Jesus couldn't worship Satan. Jesus is supposedly all-powerful, that means he's capable of making his own religious choices.

>>19207124
Christ does not sin because it is contrary to who He is. Sin is a separation from the Logos, but that is precisely who Jesus Christ is.

>>19207128
I'm sorry, but you don't get to dictate to God what He is and is not capable of doing. There's more to God than you could ever imagine. So, yes, it IS possible that Jesus could choose to worship Satan.

>>19207124
>What if Jesus worshiped Satan?
I mean the Gospels already give an answer to that anon and it's a resounding no.

>>19207136
Jesus is capable of changing his mind. Isn't he?

I am capable of changing my mind. So if Jesus can't change his mind, that makes me more powerful than Jesus.

>>19207084
>what if Satan tricked me into praying to him?
This is how the christianity started

>>19207133
I don't dictate it, it is what God Himself reveals to us. He has a will, God is not abstract monad who is completely determined by His nature or by something external. Idolatry is a sin and Christ did not assume fallen human nature, which is the only human mode of being which can sin.

>>19207144
>I am capable of changing my mind.
Because you are a human person experiencing corrupted free will as result of the fall.
>Jesus is capable of changing his mind
No. Change of mind (gnomic will, prohairesis) signifies a fallen human nature. Read St. Maximus and St. John of Damascus. If you're not just trolling, then you can also watch this video or read the book to really understand what the humanity of Christ was like - https://youtu.be/uHp6ItDQ6hU

kind of related because stoicism seems to go hand in hand with eastern religion but what are some books, or authors in favor of passion
I've read the five rings, and before even knowing what stoicism meant I was practicing it as a boy but I still cannot fully accept the idea that we should seek to berid ourselves of it entirely. Call me unread young foolish because I know just about every high level author I have been recommended preaches forbearance.
of course you need stoicism to weather the storm but still I feel like passion is the driving force behind this theater and willing to destroy it entirely is just the opposite side of the NPC horseshoe

>>19207158
rabbinic judaism*

>>19207165
Same thing

>>19207160
Isn't it true that Jesus... well, you know. He never married, and spent all his time out in the woods with 12 other dudes. I mean... you see what I'm saying, right?

>>19207166
not really no

>>19207166
>nooo you cannot use leavened bread it has to be unleavened! noo you cant eat pork!
Yeah, sounds just like Christianity...

>>19207168
>"Christ didn't sin and could never sin"
>"But what if he worshiped Satan and was secretly gay hmmmm?"
These are some silly hypotheticals

>>19207168
Yes, it is true, anon. Christ never experienced fallen desires like we did.

>>19207175
I don't see homosexuality as sinful. To be honest, so long as he and the disciples did everything consensual I think it's fine.

>>19207170
Christianity is the weapon jews use to subdue civilisations

>>19207183
>I don't see
Good thing we do not use a created fallen human as measure of truth then.

>>19207183
You got any other questions anon? I find these weird takes you post really funny and entertaining.

>>19207175
>>"But what if he worshiped Satan and was secretly gay hmmmm?"
Literally a demon inserting these thoughts into his mind. I will pray for him.

>>19207197
As much as I'd like to keep posting here, I need to go to bed so I can be up and ready for my Satanic 9-to-5 job in the morning.

>>19207203
>Literally a demon inserting these thoughts into his mind.
Hey, give me some credit; I'm capable of coming up with my own hypothetical questions.

>>19207189
>Good thing we do not use a created fallen human as measure of truth then.
It is only your created fallen measure of truth that judges Christianity to be true.

>>19207206
That's just what you think because of pride. Most evil thoughts are results of demons embedding them into us to lead us into sins.

>>19207211
I don't judge Christ but see that He is true and simply accept Him.

>>19207214
>That's just what you think because of pride. Most evil thoughts are results of demons embedding them into us to lead us into sins.
Hmm. That's a good point. FUCK YOU JESUS IS FAKE. I guess the question is, what if a demon were putting messages into you and you didn't even realize it was happening? KILL CHRISTIANS NOW

>>19207222
I pray to Christ and He helps me with these temptations. When I see sinful thoughts I know their origin.

>>19207226
Sorry... I meditated earlier today. DIE NOW YOU CHRISTIAN HOMO. I don't know. I think that it opened an avenue for a demonic spirit to enter me and make me write these horrible unholy things.

>>19207231
>Sorry... I meditated earlier today.
We can tell, anon, we can tell...

>>19207231
pretending to be demonic is pretty demonic bro

>>19207231
>>19207222
I will pray for you.

>>19207124
>what if I dropped an apple and it fell upwards? What then?

>>19207124
>Okay, here's a real brain-teaser.

>>19206799
>he actually thinks Christian and Eastern meditation are the same

It's like you just saw the word "meditation" and made up the rest.

>>19206325
Here's my favourite orthodoxbro annihilating Jehovah's witnesses
https://youtu.be/LRWcQj11iBQ
Praise Jesus!

>>19206325
>that pic
>buddhism is just meditation
Why do religious people with some intellect become dishonest or retarded when subject is other religions. Meditation in the west is just an attempt to keep drones in working condition, Amazon is not guiding anyone towards enlightenment.

>>19207540
Based priest. Only reasonable response to their evil heresies.

>>19207540
>>19207599
father bless

>>19207540
Αξιος

>>19207540
Like jesus and the merchants, bravo

>>19207540
με βάση

>>19206693
>It's true he died of some intestinal bleeding, but there's no reason to think he was buttfucked to death
ngl I kek'd out loud

>>19207540
Holy based.
I wonder what their dialogue was about.

>>19207637
>ngl I kek'd out loud
Yes, demons can do this. Laughing is not natural, especially not at Christ or His saints.

>>19206325
Buddhism owes its success to its ability to help people cope with the miseries of daily life better than any other religion.

>>19207658
by lobotomizing them and making them a host for demons.

>>19207658
Only Christ really does this in a permanent manner.

The Buddhist can heal you only from the damage their own spirits already inflicted on you. It's not a miracle to remove a problem you yourself are causing. Literally Rabbinic trickery with creating the problem and then offering the solution at an incredible price.

>>19207667
How is anyone supposed to take Christianity seriously when you go around talking about demons? See, this is why Buddhism is winning.

>the autopsy states intestinal bleeding?
>an open-and-shut case of Death by Buttfucking if ever there was one
>inform the relatives

>>19207540
Any Greek speakers here? What are they arguing about here?
https://youtu.be/nqICIy0fbMA
This priest seems kinda based.

>>19207674
>Only Christ really does this in a permanent manner.
How so? I'm not asking to cast doubt but because I really don't know. I have tried to become a Christian but I can't bring myself to believe any of it. Of all the religious writers I've read David Bentley Hart made the most compelling case for Christianity.

>>19207675
Buddhists practice black magic and pray to evil demons, it seems you have been fooled by secular buddhists.

>>19207683
Something about diabolos and evrei.

>>19207515
they work exactly the same way

>>19207687
You're not helping your case. If you genuinely wanted to save the world and convert people to Christianity I doubt this is how you would go about it.

>>19207686
What are you having trouble with believing in, anon? I think genuine desire for truth and understanding your own sinfulness without relying on yourself alone is all you need to accept Christ.
>David Bentley Hart
He's a confused heretic about most basic doctrine and Christian epistemology. A wolf in sheep's clothing.

>>19207675
Because demons are a reality and they dominate the fallen condition humans are presently in. Without acknowledging this there is no deliverance from delusion.

>>19207686
See pic related. If you want to believe you need to not judge Christ with your own fallen understandings.

>>19207683
It's the time of the devil, this play blasphemes our lord, this bitch pretends to be Mary and that fucker the devil? What are they pretending to be? Is the word Satan being spoken in the play? Does the main character say that satan is the brother of jesus? You must stop the play! It is blasphemous!
Christfags are very entertaining. Also note that this guy is just pretending to be a monk and has no connection to the orthodox church.
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>>19207621
>>19207626
>>19207631
>>19207647
>>19207683
Bait line and sinker, thanks for the laughs

>>19207736
He should apply to memri tv.

>>19207736
>Bait line and sinker,
All of those posts were mine.

>>19206909
who the fuck are you working for ?

>>19207163
ride the tiger by julius evola

>>19207745
He has many videos on youtube if you wanna check them. I actually used one to break up with an ex
This is a good compilation
https://youtu.be/lMSbiEX4ve4
>>19207749
A bit dissapointing, but still three people ain't half bad

The next champions that your body sends against you are elusive swarms
of thoughts.
Against them, the sword of the will is powerless. The wilder you strike
at them, the more rabidly they buzz around you; even if you succeeded in
momentarily getting rid of them, you would become lethargic and thus be
defeated in a different way.
To order them to stay still is a waste of energy. There is only one way to
escape from them: take refuge in a higher degree of awakening.
How to achieve it is something you must learn on your own.
It is a constant and cautious proceeding with feelings, and at the same
time an iron resolution.
This is all I can say about it to you. Any advice that anyone gives to you
in this painful struggle is poison. There is a cliff here over which none can
help you but yourself.
After reaching this state, you are then confronted by the domain of
ghosts, which I have spoken of earlier.
Frightening or splendid apparitions will confront you, making you be-
lieve they are beings from another world. In truth, they are only thoughts
in visible form over which you do not yet have full control!
Remember: the more solemn they look, the more dangerous they are!
However, when you find the "deeper meaning" hidden in each of these
larval beings, you will see with the eye of the spirit not only their living nucleus, but yours as well. Then, everything that has been taken from you
will be returned to you a thousandfold, as it happened to Job: then you
will be back where you started, as fools claim sarcastically. They do not
know that there is a difference between coming home after a long time in
a foreign land and always staying home.
Nobody knows if you will be allowed to share in the prodigious forces
once possessed by ancient prophets, or if you are destined to enter eternal
peace.
Our path leads to the threshold of maturity. Once you arrive at it, you
are also worthy of receiving that gift.
In either case, you will have become a phoenix: it is up to you to get
there by force.

Jesus Christ is literally a demon and Seraphim Rose was an actual fag who would browse /lit/ if he were alive today
Fuck off larpers

>>19207658
>Buddhism owes its success to its ability to help people cope with the miseries of daily life
In India it was popular among rootless money-changers and merchants living in the cities, the peasantry with a close connection to nature and who had SOVL and the high-IQ landed elites alike preferred Hinduism

Orthodox threads really stir up the demons on /lit/

>>19206574
>Christianity itself formerly engaged in practices nearly identical to meditation
And these were Christian practices, not meditation on demons or the void

>>19208490
The only demon is Jesus

>>19208490
This. Just another indicator of its truth for the unbelieving people. The most vile kind of demonic activity is seen in these threads like no other. Feels like I've stepped into /b/.

>>19208528
>Just another indicator of its truth for the unbelieving people
For the delusional, you mean.
People shitting on your cult because you force it down everyone's throat is proof of nothing else than your obnoxious tendency to proselytize. It's good that /lit/ is finally telling your kind to fuck off, this is a board for literature.

>>19206363
based and christpilled

>>19207784
The counter-initiation

>>19206363
Damn right

>>19206363
Don't use my name in vain, faggot.

>>19206821
>it's very kind of amazon
>

>>19206905
>mindfulness booth
Heh, I bet you actually believe it.
Deluded moron.

>>19206868
>Why don't you go and pray in a demonic temple
I seriously mean this, non-christians or people that are ignorant of the faith should not talk about the faith.

>>19208738
Then stop ramming "the faith" down everyone's throats faggot

>>19208745
Only if you stop talking about things you clearly don't know about.
We have a deal?

>>19206905
It literally is.

>>19208750
I don't talk about christianity because I don't give a fuck about it
You however keep shitting up the board with your nonsense. How about you take your larping to /his/ where it belongs?

>>19206696
>pretending to be The Lord
That's low even for you, heretic.
I pray for you to find redemption and someday ask Jesus to forgive you.

>>19208759
>I don't give a fuck about it
Your reply says otherwise.
I love how you rejected the deal because it would be to admit you don't know a thing about Christianity, which is true.

>>19206799
>this nigga believes it's the same thing
Heh

>>19208490
Orthodox have a particular position that is going to maximize the amount of people mad at them.

For starters, you have the Catholics obviously, who if they are more smaller brained will hate them for being Schematics.

Then, you get your average retard literal protestant, and they are pissed because they are starting to hemorrhage people to Orthodoxy as they have no good theological arguments against it — Just look at how that copypasta trying to mock Orthodoxy, Catholicism, and Protestantism at the same time could only say that Orthodoxy was military weak and lmao slavs — Those are not theological arguments, just zug zug you are weak arguments.

Then you have your atheists, and they also have no idea how to handle them. Most of their arguments about how dumb biblical literalism are only apply to Protestants, and so they revert to acting like their Protestant parents and getting very mad at these heretics (despite the fact they claim to have moved beyond religion).

Throw in Zealous Orthodox Converts from Protestants who are more than willing to call all those other groups Demons and you get the perfect bait storm on these thread.

t. My observations as an Partially Lapsed Catholic

>>19208772
>Your reply says otherwise
No I literally couldn't give less of a fuck about your cult. I don't know shit about Christianity and readily admit it because I don't bother learning about nonsense. I see your larping and tell you to take it to /his/ where it belongs, simple as. Seethe elsewhere

>>19208762
It's really sad seeing these kinds of posts and knowing the depths of the sin of blasphemy after doing it yourself and repenting.
>I pray for you to find redemption and someday ask Jesus to forgive you.
Amen.

>>19206884
>your own religion.
Let me tell you about your religion.
The arrogance of this guy

>>19208788
>Seethe elsewhere
But anon, that's exactly what you are doing. Notice the difference between my replies and your outburst of impotence. You again have to say you don't care, when clearly you care.

>>19208791
Stop acting like a self righteous whiny cunt in my name, sinner. Lest you want to get assraped by demons.

>>19208791
Indeed. Let's hope these lost souls find their way into God.
Let's pray for them.

>>19208798
>n-no u
About what I expected
I don't care what nonsense you want to believe in, everyone has their copes. Just stop pretending yours is special, /lit/ is for literature, not religion. Your passive agressive womanly deflecting will not change this

>>19208792
>Let me tell you about your religion.
LITERALLY YOU WITH ISLAM

>>19208809
But anon, how can you be so blind you don't notice the difference between you and me.
I'm not being passive agressive, I'm being clear. You don't know a thing and the only thing that bothers you more than Christianity is the fact your ego was hurt.

>>19208812
I never mentioned Islam. Anon, you should stop putting words in the mouth of people and making claims that are false.
You are arrogant.

>>19208809
>I don't care what nonsense you want to believe in
You clearly do care about that guy's religion, and I think I am going to go out of my way to make on topic /lit/ threads on Catholic Philosophers now

>>19208552
>People shitting on your cult because you force it down everyone's throat is proof of nothing else than your obnoxious tendency to proselytize
Why did you come and click on a thread that would just make you angry?

>>19208815
>more womanly passive aggressive posturing
Whatever faggot I'm not going to humor you for hours. Just try to apply the altruism stuff your cult leader taught and stop creating off topic threads that make the board quality lower for everyone. That's all

>>19207716
>Because demons are a reality
This. The worst one can assume is that demons are not real, they are and they walk among us.

>>19208784
>Orthodox have a particular position that is going to maximize the amount of people mad at them.
This, because the demon really gets mad at truth and all other ideologies are sustained by and ultimately headed/created by demons. Since He defeated them at the cross, Christ's very name, or of his saints and martyrs makes them tremble. It is a commonly known fact in Orthodox countries that there are really people who get angry or sick upon entering churches and especially around incense used in worship.

I also think it is effective because the Orthodox know about the other religions and can coherently demolish them even while steelmanning their view, but the other side cannot often even correctly state the Orthodox viewpoint.

>>19208830
I did not created the thread.
Stop assuming things and stop being an arrogant moron.
>let me tell you about your religion
You are a deluded little man.

>>19208825
Because there are several threads like these on the catalog right now that serve no purpose but to shill your ideology on a board where it doesn't belong. You take it as persecution or demons or whatever because every religion has its cope to explain why people simply don't want to bother with it, but I assure you that it's just tiresome to see the exact same larp threads every single day.

I never really realized how much the average person in modernity hates Jesus Christ until I became a Christian. It is something far deeper than just being upset at the religion itself. No other religion gets as many attacks by the elites and angry atheists and followers of other religions than Christianity.

Deep down everyone knows Christianity is true.

>>19208848
lmfao

>>19208830
>cult leader
What is interesting to me is that this concept did not exist before the mid 20th century — Popularized by Protestant Groups noticing that other new sects of religion were starting to take their followers away and wanting the Government to label and suppress them.

Once again you show that you are not that different than your parents, no matter how much you try to deny it anon.

>>19206325
>Why is it that Eastern religious ideas are shilled so heavily today?
Spengler relates Buddhism to its Western equivalent, Scientific Socialism. It’s endorsed in so far as it’s relevant to socialism.

>>19208848
>Deep down everyone knows Christianity is true.
Yeah, even the demons proclaim Christ when He banishes them and saves His creations from their influence.

>When He had come to the other side, to the country of the Gergesenes, there met Him two demon-possessed men, coming out of the tombs, exceedingly fierce, so that no one could pass that way. And suddenly they cried out, saying, “What have we to do with You, Jesus, You Son of God? Have You come here to torment us before the time?”

>>19208848
Indeed, anon. Once you see the reality of the world you will see the horrible state of the world and humanity. For the hatred of Jesus and Christians will continue, but we must not give up and always believe Jesus is with us and He will save the just and punish the sinner.

>>19208848
>people think my religion is bullshit
>that must mean it's true!
kek holy shit
I don't care about any religion, for me you guys are the same as muslims or buddhists or whoever but I don't see them say such outlandish shit to try and justify their cognitive dissonance
I'd like to understand the thought process here. What is it about people not liking your religion that makes you go "that means I'm right"?

>>19208854
My parents are neither Christian nor American, cope

Repent so I can save you from what I'm going to do to you if you don't repent, goy

>>19208851
*increasingly nervous laughter*
>>19208864
Christianity lives rent-free in the heads of Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus and Jews. They all want Jesus, but only on their terms, never the terms of the man himself and how and what he taught. Muslims want Jesus to be merely a man, a prophet. Buddhists and Hindus want to claim him as an enlightened sage, and Jews do nothing but spit venom against the man. The religions that attempt to co-opt him know that they need Jesus to attract Westerners and lead Christians away from the true religion. We don’t see this phenomenon with any other religion. But none of these religions accept him for who he is—the incarnate Logos, Son of God. In their heart of hearts they know though that Jesus is much different.

>everything that isn't christian is demons
>everything that isn't buddhist misleads you from the dharma
>everything that isn't X is harmful for my brand of salvation
So why should I believe in one of those instead of literally any other? The demon thing just sounds like fear-mongering honestly.

>>19208864
>for me you guys are the same as muslims or buddhists
This is objectively untrue — I never hear as much about Muslims except from maybe Dawkins and the only time I have ever heard Buddhists get criticized was Myanmar for their ethnic and religious polices. You are far more tied to Christians, which is why there is so much investment in defeating them while the Oriental Religions can still be looked in a more objective manner.

>but I don't see them say such outlandish shit to try and justify their cognitive dissonance
You are just admitting you are as uneducated as your Protestant Parents and have never read either Islamic for Buddhist Texts.

>>19208892
Yes this must be because christianity is true and a rabbi rose from the dead 2000 years ago rather than the much simpler explanation that other religions use the most popular western one in order to proselytize to westerners and make their dogma more culturally palatable to them

>>19208876
I legitimately don't believe you. You have the exact same haughty tone they carry, show a complete lack of knowledge of the world outside of Christianity, and use the same terms Protestants use.

>>19208374
>>19207086
>>19206756
>>19206696

"For we are not contending against flesh and blood, but against the principalities, against the powers, against the world rulers of this present darkness, against the spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places."

You are under these powers, anon. Pray for Christ to free you.

>>19208900
It *is* because Jesus Christ died and rose from the dead, just like the scriptures written centuries beforehand foretold. And again, no other religion can make these claims, because the Bible is like no other set of works.

>>19208876
Imagine is people could lie on the internet.

>>19208897
My parents are not Protestant and you're seething against a strawman that doesn't exist in my case. I was never raised religiously and never even had an anti-religious atheist phase. It's like that mad men meme with the "I don't even think about you" line. I don't usually enter buddhist threads to tell them to take it elsewhere because there aren't as many and the Guenonfag is enough to get them to leave, but I certainly do the same in Islam threads and what have you. This is simply not a board for religious discussion and I feel completely unconcerned by your persecution complex

>>19208892
Exactly.

>>19208914
>It's like that mad men meme with the "I don't even think about you" line

>>19208893
>>everything that isn't buddhist misleads you from the dharma
Still doesn't matter in their view, you can still follow other religions and obtain "enlightenment" in a later reincarnation since they believe in that garbage.
>>everything that isn't X is harmful for my brand of salvation
Nobody but Christianity says that you need to believe in and have faith in very specific doctrines to be saved. Salvation really is only a Christian concept, with traces of it in heretical sects like Judaism and Islam, which still do not have full salvation but rather an "upgraded" existence on Earth.

>>19208906
>>19208912
>y-you must be lying
Holy fuck this is your last resort? Literal denial?
You're so deep into your own bullshit I won't even be able to convince you I am in fact not a burger and have never interacted with a Protestant in my life. The only religious people in my family are a bunch of orthodox on my father's side that I never talk about religion with. But this doesn't fit in your narrative so you will screech and deny

>>19208927
>Nobody but Christianity says that you need to believe in and have faith in very specific doctrines to be saved.
...And?
That's not true by the way but even if it was, why would it matter?

>>19208892
I do find it very 'interesting' that most ideologies do not outright hate Christ, but rather try to paint a picture of Him as just some 'wise sage' in their own perennialistic tradition.

>>19208928
>I won't even be able to convince you
You don't speak neither truth or reason. There's no way someone would believe you.

Eli Eli, lama sabachtani?

>>19208932
The other religions are different in this aspect and the demons want you to believe in absolutely anything just as long as it is not Orthodox Christianity.

>>19208914
>This is simply not a board for religious discussion
Apply for the position of janitor then.
I'm sure that would help, mr. thread cop

>>19208938
I do in fact speak the truth in that I am a Western European man with no prot upbringing.
Your denial is very funny to me since it perfectly showcases the christian cognitive dissonance. Whatever you want to believe bro

>>19208951
>I do in fact speak the truth
The blind will claim he can see. That does not changes his lie.
You hide behind cheap sardonic attitude. You are an arrogant liar and a moron too.

>>19208951
>Western European man
>with no prot upbringing
No such thing. That evil heresy is embedded into the very essence of modern Western Europe.

>>19208944
>the demons want you to believe in absolutely anything just as long as it is not Orthodox Christianity.
Right. When it's proselytism for other religions it's demons, but when it's proselytism for orthodoxy it's all good.

>>19208957
And the deluded will cope. Your entire argument hinges on me being an american prot and my mere existence is a btfo to everything you've said, so of course you're in denial. Now you're insulting me, what happened to the "I'm calm and definitely not being aggressive" posturing from earlier? kek
>>19208958
Moving goalposts are we

>>19208959
Exactly, since all these religions want to turn you away from Christ as He Himself speaks about Himself. When you see this it is all over for the demons.

>>19208958
Yep

>“Protestantism? It is the loyal child of Papism. It went from one heresy to another over the centuries because of its rationalistic scholasticism, and it is continually drowning in the various poisons of its heretical errors. In addition, Papal haughtiness and ‘infallible’ foolishness reign absolutely within it, ruining the souls of its faithful. First of all each Protestant is an independent pope when it comes to matters of faith. This always leads from one spiritual death to another; and there is no end to this ‘dying’ since a person can suffer countless spiritual deaths (in a lifetime).

>Since this is the way things are, there is no way out of this impasse for the Papist-Protestantic Ecumenism with its pseudo-Church and its pseudo-Christianity without wholehearted repentance before the God-man Christ and His Orthodox Catholic Church. Repentance is the remedy for every sin, the medicine given to man by the only Friend of man (Christ).”-St. Justin Popovich

>>19208968
All religions want to turn you away from other religions and towards their own dogma. Hardly a compelling argument.
You're already convinced of christianity being true and interpreting everything through that lens, it's obvious to someone who doesn't buy into it

>>19208967
I just sai you are a liar by claiming people could lie in the internet.
That is still true and does not matter how much you want me to play according to your rules, it's not going to work.
You don't get to insult others and then claim others are insulting you when it suits you.

>>19208979
Cool

>>19208988
Arrogant M-O-R-O-N

>>19208989
Absolutely F-U-M-I-N-G

>>19208978
>All religions want to turn you away from other religions and towards their own dogma.
Not really. The Jews do not care much since their doctrine makes gentiles subservient eternal slaves when the "Messiah" finally comes. Islam also does not have an understanding that you need to believe in the Koran to be saved, same for the Hinduistic idolatry which does not even have such a concept of salvation. A Hindu also does not convert you into his religion because He believes in reincarnation, but make no mistake, they will still do everything in their power just to distort your understanding of Christ and faith in Christ such that is no longer Orthodox. That is their end goal, not conversion to their own faith as it is for Christians who want to share the joy and good news of Christ.

>>19208998
>parroting
Not only you are an arrogant moron, you also lack creativity

>>19208978
>You're already convinced of christianity being true and interpreting everything through that lens
Correct, and that is the only consistent way to act if Christianity is indeed true since we believe in Christ who is the Logos through whom the world and all the meanings behind things are created.
I was not always a Christian though, so your argument doesn't have much weight. Being Christian is the final end of truly seeking truth.

>>19208999
No this is your own bias speaking. Every religion evangelizes and proselytizes. Most just don't do it to the same extent as Christianity because it's not written in their book that you need to convert as many people as possible to their ideology, it's as simple as that.

Speaking honestly, now that we have reached the point where neither side believes each other are lying, I think we can end the thread now.

Obviously, the natural next step to this conversation would be violence in real life to prove who is right, but on the internet all that will happen is 40 posts basically boiling down to "NO U" over and over. Both sides have made their points to any lurkers, and there likely will be no further interesting discussion to come out of this thread outside of perhaps one side suddenly imploding at the end.

>>19209005
Okay. So instead of examining Christianity from an external standpoint we should assume it's true and then examine it from that assumption. I don't have anything to say to you I guess, your system is airtight
Of course my seeking truth brought me as far away from Christianity as can be, but obviously this is delusion and I'm being misled by demons. Have a good one
>>19209014
These threads never lead anywhere. All religion threads are like this. I just wish jannies would stop humoring the thinly veiled /x/ and /his/ material.

Religion is a mental illness.

>>19209021
If you thought this thread would not lead to anything productive, why did you reply instead of report it — are you mentally retarded?

>>19209023
Based

>>19209030
>instead of report it
Announcing reports is against the rules
Also I reply to the threads I want fag. I do the same in all religion threads because letting this shit go on is the same as tacitly endorsing it

>>19209045
>Also I reply to the threads I want fag.
You just admitted they never lead anywhere but you waste hours on them to own the Christcucks?

This is exactly why I think you are lying about not being an American — Only Americans will make themselves this miserable to own their opposition.

>>19209023
What is the cure?

>>19209021
>we should assume it's true and then examine it from that assumption
Yes. That is exactly how one disproves a logical premise. It is the definition of falsehood that something leads to absurdity if assumed true.
>Of course my seeking truth
Your 'seeking' of truth is tinged by pride, which is the chief reason for spiritual blindness. When you get rid of it and try to gain humility, Christ will reveal Himself since He resists the prideful.

>>19209056
You're not special, I shit up off topic threads in general.
>will make themselves this miserable
Nigger it's just shitposting. Do you think it takes a lot out of me to call someone a fag on the internet? I'm at work and it's either that or playing spider solitaire

>>19209057
Jesus of course. There is Truth and then there are religions

>>19209069
kek
Seriously though

>>19209068
>Nigger it's just shitposting.
Ironic Shitposting is still Shitposting double nigger.
>I was merely pretending to be retarded

>>19209062
Yes I expected such a cope. "I-it's not real truthseeking if it didn't end with you becoming a Christian!"
This is laughable. You're not talking about truthseeking, you're talking about literal brainwashing

>>19209075
>Ironic Shitposting is still Shitposting
Ironic? No, I actually disagree with religion, I'm not pretending

I am a Pure Land Buddhist and I don't get all the hate. Some ignorant people like to get angry over any little thing.

>>19209074
Actual answer, people are still searching for alternatives, Nietzsche went crazy trying to find one, and at the moment people use hope in concepts like Science or Ideology to attempt to fill the void.
I actually don't think it is impossible to replace it, despite what the Christians in the thread believe, I just think it will keep leading to mass suffering until you get an ideology mostly looping into the same position religion had. Just look at how Communism ends very similar to the Monarchial Autocracy they disposed when they don't collapse after a generation.

>>19209096
Based namu amida butsu chad

>>19209096
If you don't mind me asking, any interesting books on Buddhism you would recommend?
t. Catholic

>>19209098
Wasn't Nietzsche right about personal values superseding everything else in the end though?
Humanity as a whole needs a new driving force now that religion is dead. But individuals?

>>19206596
Did you intentionally give yourself brain damage or were you born this way?

There was only one Christian, and he died on the cross

>>19206682
>Everyone in Heaven would absolutely agree with the fact that meditation is demoinc
Ahh yes, this is exactly what heaven wants, another idiot speaking for God.

>>19209103
Not him but read the Dhammapada and the Diamond sutra
I don't recommend them because you're catholic, that doesn't change anything, they're just the best buddhist texts I've read

>>19209125
Thank you for the recommendations anon, I'll look into them

>>19209103
Sure. There's plenty of books for beginning a study of Buddhism. Examples from my sect include Venerable Wuling's "Going Home to the Pure Land", "Buddhism of Wisdom and Faith" by Thich Thien Tam, and the Three Pure Land Sutras by BDK Translations. Those are all you really need to start learning about Pure Land.

>orthodog larpers seething about an amazon box while clutching at icons bought from amazon

>>19209184
>icons bought from amazon
That would be freeing holy things from the grasp of Amazon, so I can easily see it as a virtue.

>>19209288
No, they are serialized, Amazon will order more copies of it since you bought it and told them there was demand for mail-order pretty pictures of saints.

>>19209074
I am serious

>>19209184
>set up strawman
>knock it down
Heh...

>>19208784
This. I thought the demon poster guy was a parody and then a friend of mine converted after a week or two of looking into it (by contrast I'm a lazy shit who's been interested in Orthodoxy for a few years but only recently started going to church and bought one of the Hopko books) and he's kind of like the demon-poster right out of the gate.

>>19209401
demonfag is possessed by demons

didn't read the thread as it seems filled with demons, but The Way down and out by John Senior, and John Senior and the restoration of realism are accurate detailing of what western/eastern occult mysticism are. It's a rejection of reality/reason and it's practices are meant to break your mind. Drugs like weed and lsd help break your spirit. Because only a mentally ill person can reject their senses and reality to think it's an illusion.

>>19209401
It's incredible how far the west has fallen if they think the Orthodox posts in this thread aren't pretty tame.

>>19209535
>we should not trust our logical minds
true, we should just call everything and everyone demonic, without any reason

>>19208784
>more smaller
Schematics shouls be resented, unless you're a retard without conviction.

>>19208784
>more smaller
Schematics shouls be resented, unless you're a retard without conviction. Unless you're saying that you, a midwit apostate know more than the church doctors who condemed the schism.

There is an Orthodox Church near me and I want to look into converting. Should I email them first or can I just show up?

>>19208892
The irony is that like I've hear the some priest say, there is nothing original in the orthodox church, except the word come flesh. Christians themselves are eager to take from other religions and cultures, but after they alter them to suite themselves. But if some other culture does the same to them they do like to act posture how others try to claim something that is theirs, when they themselves took it from others.

>>19209632
Depends on the church I guess. I am not familiar with the US, but if the church is English-speaking or big enough then it's fine to just attend a service and speak with the priest afterwards. I suggest going to the Saturday evening worship called the all-night vigil. Most of it is singing psalms, so if you're already Christian you may understand more of it than say the liturgy, while it still being a more festive service than usual weekdays.

>>19209697
Originality is seen as bad because we do not want to innovate, but rather follow apostolic revelations.
>take from other religions
We only take forms (e.g. Greek philosophy words like logo, hypostasis, ousia while changing the meaning to suit our needs), not the contents wherever they would be false or demonic.
>when they themselves took it from others
All truth belongs to us exclusively, so there really is no taking away of anything true from other people, and the falsehoods we have no need of.

I know as an absolute fact that there are ortho discords with 4chan adjacent users and I would bet money they conduct raids here. This is probably why we see the same ortho threads with the same books being discussed all the time.

>>19209535
For the record (I'm the guy you're responding) I believe many people are partially possessed and my views about reality are if nothing else as 'wacky' as anything you might read in Fr. Seraphim Rose's books, but the vector of argument of simply attributing most intellectual/spiritual fallacies to demons without other levels of explanation, is not necessarily rationally compelling to most Orthodox Christians, let alone anyone else. This is important because the point should be to educate and help, and styles of argument which are highly prone to elicit either anger or dismissal is not conducive to that.

>>19209796
>without other levels of explanation
I definitely agree that there are multiple layers of explanations, human sin is after all a cooperation with the demons, not just being fully controlled. I also think the more blatantly demonic people as seen in this thread do not care about argumentation, but I do use it when I see that a person is receptive, and just state the truth simply otherwise without regard for how it will be seen.

>>19209763
>I would bet money they conduct raids here
I wish that were true anon, even if discord is a bad Amazon-tier meditation-box program. If you have proof do post it though.

>>19208784
>lapsed
>reddit spacing
I declare you an ultra fag.

>>19206325
>Seraphim Rose’s
I wonder what would he say on the inoculation.
Who are some contemporary beacons of truth I can read to gain the truth on this issue?