/lit/ - Literature

>>19207826
How about you make up your own mind, instead of trying to figure out what two autistic schizos would do?

>>19207826
Ted mooched money and favors off his family and couldn't at all live like he purposed. He was a hypocrite of the highest order.

>>19207826
Yes, mandatory vaccines are stupid but if you really value your work and lifestyle you'll get vaccinated. Don't get too caught up in what you think the vaccine represents ideologically and focus on what's truly important which is how you live. Choose your battles wisely.

>>19207826
PVRE IDEOLOGY

>>19207879
cuck

>>19207863
yea get the vaccine you fucking retard

its annoying but whatever, i got the j and j so I could go to san fran with my girlfriend and i feel fine

>>19207826
:)
Take this homie
Be sure to use a real batch number

First little challenge comes up and you want to cuck immediately.

>all these drones demanding OP get the vaccine
>no-one, not one, has said anything about it being a flagrant infringement of our most basic rights
If people keep kowtowing, the government will only increase in its tyranny. If you think things are bad now, wait until the next so-called disaster. OP, have you tried getting legal? What about religious exemption?

>>19207958
I held out until the gym and my employer required them. I'd rather take the jab than be some weakling neet

>>19207928
No, just trying to help him see the bigger picture. I'm not vaccinated and don't plan on getting vaccinated but I would if I were in OP's shoes. He won't be teaching his enemies any lessons by losing his job. You either don't get the vaccine and lose your job, in which case you lose. Or you get the vaccine and also lose but you get to maintain your lifestyle. It's a matter of which loss is more tolerable.

>>19207958
i'm convinced they are either AI or drones conditioned through decades of propaganda. i mean, imagine taking an experimental gene therapy injection still ongoing clinical trials, trials which are meant to determine if there are long term side effects, long term side effects still unknown because the trials are still ongoing.
>>19207965
cow-towing to authority is a prime characteristic of a weakling.
>>19207967
>bigger picture

>>19207958
>basic rights
I urge you to read Beyond Human Rights by Alain De Benoist so you can overcome your liberalism.

it's not actually that easy to fire people

>>19207826
You have to get fired. Do NOT quit. Let them fire you. Then take the legal route through the courts, ideally find a local group in your area to help you with this as you are not alone. Do NOT bend to totalitarianism, not now.

>>19207980
Sounds like some chink bugman philosophy, no thanks

>>19207976
Yes, bigger picture. You're letting your ideology cloud your judgement here, adding all this symbolism to the vaccine. If the government were forcing its citizens to fight in an unjust war then resisting would be the heroic thing to do, but we're talking about a vaccine here.

>>19207998
>we're talking about a vaccine here
right, so our body autonomy is at stake. our rights guaranteed by the Bill of Rights is at stake. what symbolism?

>>19207986
No, he's probably the most prominent philosopher of the New Right of the late 20th century, inspired by Carl Schmitt who /lit/ supposedly likes.

>>19208007
he's a pro-multikulti bugman, barely even racist, 100% vaxed.

>>19208004
The part you're forgetting is that no one is forcing him to get the vaccine. His autonomy is not at stake.

>>19207976
You pick your battles, weakling. You obey almost all laws at all times, and by your own logic, you're a weakling because of this. You probably don't drink and drive, even though it's often convenient. Even Alexander knew when to pick his battles.

>>19207826
you post on 4chan lmao don't act like you follow either of these people

>>19208015
>take this experimental gene therapy injection still ongoing clinical trials or face losing your job
mandated by the state
his bodily autonomy is at stake. our body autonomy is at stake.
>buh buh buh but no one is forcing him
fuck off faggot
>>19208017
>You probably don't drink and drive, even though it's often convenient
wut

>>19207967
bad reply. if you give up your principles for career security, you might as well not be alive.

OP don't take the vaccine. Being penetrated and injected with a substance against your will is rape, and only weaklings get raped. Look for related jobs, possibilities for exemption, maybe regular testing as an alternative (which also sucks but it's better than the alternative), and threaten to sue if possible. Lawsuits are now popping up all over North America because a decent chunk of unvaxxed are holding out and doing something about it. Hang in there

>>19208030
You obey the law even when it's robbing you of choice and bodily autonomy. Read The Republic.

Feels good to be a vaccinated übermensch above the unvaccinated (mostly non-white) scum.

>>19208037
No, you didn't clarify. What about drinking and driving is convenient? Do you like to drink and drive? How often do you do it?

>>19208030
There are other jobs out there. You're just a Kantian cuck who can't understand doing things for the desired outcome. Read some Machiavelli, nerd.

>>19208044
I constantly have a couple beer after playing hockey or rugby and drive home. Goddamn, it's a beer league even, even though it's zero tolerance.

>I have spent the last 4 years trying to live my life by the philosophies and principles of these two

This is an awe-inducing level of retardation. Congrats

Get fired but keep showing up

>>19207958
this
you can't obey your way out of a totalitarian shithole

>>19207826
> A fucking vaccine mandate.
The vaccine itself is the least of your worries mate. You're going to take it vaccine eventually, just like everyone else. You know why? No one does.

>>19207958
>>19208088
You don't get it. They control you either way so you might as well keep your job.

>>19208088
If you stop going to work because you don't want to get vaccinated you're still obeying.

OP you should look into bribing a nurse. $1000 cash might get you the papers you need.

Pipe bombs are the only answer

>>19207826
The thing about being an extremist (which every true philosopher must be) is that you're willing to die to uphold your ideals. Ted would not get the shot, obviously. I'm not recommending you do or do not become an extremist. But you need to figure out where the line is, if any. Do you quit your job for this? For microchips? For mandatory mood stabilizers? For memory scans?
Is there a line for you? Or do you value your quality of life over everything, everything? Figure it out OP. Most never have to decide where there line is; you do. Nobody can decide for you.

>>19207826
Don't know why you follow precisely these thinkers who are sloppy and schizo, even some like like Evola would be much more reasonable lmao. He would say btw to "Ride the tiger" and that would be that both options are bad, so it's up to you and what benefits you the most in the quest for transcendence and preserverence of spirit. If your job gives you a lot of joy and purpose, then just take the jab. Yes it's a bad option but this life cycle is shit anyway, and you can't beat modernity and its laws, you have to play by them.

Or don't take it if you think it's so awful, and get a new job. Who the fuck cares what schizos or/and anyone on 4chan thinks about a personal issue?

>>19208314
almost every post that is for this totalitarianism has the same argument. why is that? are you guys alive? its not a jab by the way, its an experimental gene therapy injection still ongoing clinical trials, trials that are meant to determine long term side effects, long term side effects that are under investigation in what we term clinical trials.

You never had bodily autonomy. The government would always have deprived you of liberty had you went up against its interests.

>>19208355
Sure, but this is the wake-up call realization of that fact.
Once the snake is cornered is when it bites.

>>19208370
>Sure, but this is the wake-up call realization of that fact.
>Have to get a whole litany of vax to get any job in the USA that isn't grunt work or go to school; TB, measles, tetanus, etc.
>But this vax is different!

>>19208370
LARP

>>19208384
The difference is covid has a 99.9% survival rate if you're not morbidly obese or older than the average age of death.
It's rushed, and the FDA is known to botch the efficacy of their trials when corporate dollars are funneling into their pockets.
Just take a look at rBGH & Monsanto.

>>19207976
>cow-towing to authority is a prime characteristic of a weakling.

Risking your life by taking an experimental vaccine in order to protect the old yiay yias and papous is one of the chaddest things you can do. Shaking in your boots because you don't know what's in your vaccine. I bet you'd dodge the draft too. How cucked can you be?

>>19208408
America isn't the only country in the world faggot

>>19208415
Big Pharma exists because of American corporatism.
Whether you like it or not, the economic system of your nation is the way it is today, because of American politics and big business, so it might as well be American.

>>19208414
>fighting Vietnamese farmers for power hungry politicians propaganda purposes
>chad
What a cuck thing to do

>>19208421
what if I took sinovac

>>19208428
>sinovac
>chinese company
Anon....I don't think it's likely (but not impossible!) that most of the vaccines will end up being that harmful, and for me it's more the ideological reasoning behind mandates that has me against them.

But if any of them are going to turn you into Jeff Goldblum from the Fly, it's probably going to be the one you took.

>>19208442
哦哦,我感觉不舒服...

>>19207958
Based and fightbackpilled.

Has Ted written any letters on the subject?

>>19207986
thre is no more bugmen philosophy than "muh rights" liberalism

>>19207826
Ted said the time to establish anarchy is when the system collapses by itself. It is your duty to help.
How do you want to help if you have no resources because you have no job?

Yes, vaccine mandate bad, but take it anyways. You’re a slave, accept it or suffer.

>>19208591
Why don't you join the uighur's in their "re-education" camp, I'm sure you'll enjoy your stay...eventually.
It's for the greater good.

>>19207826
I would get the shot. At silver point you have to give to terms with the fact that you are not really free, and that there are forced in this world you must submit to in order to thrive. Ruining your own life out of defiance is not going to harm your enemy, in fact they would prefer that you did. In combat sometimes the wise decision is to take a hit.

>>19207976
They're not gene therapy, I doubt you even know what mRNA is

>>19207826
take the fucking vaccine, idiot

>>19208749
>i-its not gene therapy because fact checkers said so!
meanwhile in reality modifying RNA is in fact gene therapy
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4817894/
https://hsci.harvard.edu/news/modified-rna-offers-drug-approach-regenerating-heart-tissue
https://link.springer.com/protocol/10.1007%2F978-1-0716-0668-1_21
https://ccr.cancer.gov/news/article/a-novel-mrna-modification-may-impact-gene-expression
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5906799/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8029448/pdf/nn1c01845.pdf

>>19207826
Why do you feel compelled to work for someone else? This is quite a modern phenomena, there was a long period in history where people actually used what they produced and produced what they used. If you truly care about the environment; youd see that forest restoration is just a component of ecological destruction. Ive studied forest regrowth and through every growth cycle, biodiversity diminishes, planting trees thing is just a cope for less public scrutiny for killing the forests. This whole process of modifying "technique" to sustain infinite growth is exactly what the philosophy of Jaques Ellul talked about and Ted expounded on in his own words.

>>19209191
off-topic but excellent take

>>19207826
pay a homeless person to take it for you in your name or apply for a forestry job in Texas or Florida

>>19209191
OP should have searched for autonomy as suggested by Ted, instead of nature themed regular jobs.

>>19207826
Ted would call you an idiot for trying to take part in modern society, specially in some ideologically loaded job as reforestation. If you read them both with care, you'd notice that you should have focused in getting as much autonomy as possible, stuff like selling stuff in your house or fixing stuff for others, even becoming a criminal would be fine.

It's all about autonomy, you tard.

>>19207826
Are you really obsessed with the job or just concerned about money? I can teach you how to trade forex to make 25-50% return on your capital per week. For 30% I will tell you the exact plays to make every morning around 9am. If you are interested my discord id is Black Kali#0798 and I have a discord server just for forex traders. I am not gonna monitor this thread but just hmu if you are interested. 1488

>>19210695
QRD on forex?

>>19207826
Kek one of them is still alive. Just ask him.

>>19207826
I have tried to live a similar hardline lifestyle and now I'm 30+ with no job opportunities left, no friends and no future, and now the only opportunity I have to live a life is to live something 1000 times more cucked than the cucked life I tried to escape. I'll 100% kill myself. Get the stupid vaccine and hope you don't get a stroke from it. Life is made of bitter compromises like this one.

>>19210857
It's a scam.

>>19207826
This shit is why I'm not a conservative or identify with modern right wing politics. You guys puff yourselves up about everything..."IM THE UBERMENCH", "MIGHT MAKES RIGHT", or post that Evola quote about living by absolute principles. Then society exerts the SLIGHTEST amount of pressure to make you conform and you fold like a house of cards. It's pathetic. I'm not advocating for a sunken cost move here either. It'd be one thing to simply realize you never cared much about the vaccine, and decide to just get it and continue on with you're life. But there is this sizeable group of online conservatives that both want to be edgy vax deniers (all the power to you) but ALSO can't fathom "losing muh jobbie!". You people should seriously kill yourselves. You believe modernity is evil, society is corrupt, the boogaloo is near, hard times create strong men, all this shit, and you can't even make a decision on whether you're conform with the goverment you call the "antichrist"? Look at the last century of human history alone, at all the violence and suffering and persecution, and you're going to be a cry baby about potentially getting fired from your job? I'm not saying this mandate is justified but get real man. Can't believe I'm saying this, but this is your brain on being a priveleged white American.

>>19211395
for what it's worth I have successfully managed to ruin my life over principles although I wouldn't really say I identify with the right

>>19207826
Take the vaccine you retard. Resisting it and pointlessly putting yourself out of work is not going to bring down the technological system or whatever. I like Ted but unless you're willing to live like him in a cabin in the middle of nowhere then don't ruin your life over nothing.

>>19207826
Without talking about the philosophies of others, why are you opposed to taking a vaccine?

>>19211395
>just lose ur job you fucking pussy LOL privileged idiot
you know some people actually have skin in the game, families to support, some people dont want to work at fucking walmart on principle. I don't know what you're expecting this guy to do, you just seem like a ghoulish retard eager to see someone get fucked over.

>>19207826
Both Ted and Devi suffered for their convictions, Ted in a state of self-privation in the woods and then in prison and Devi during her imprisonment in Germany. Become the gold in the furnace. You only get one life, and why would you want to cling to that which is fleeting when your ideals can outlast you forever? Hold true to what you believe is right op, and accept that pain and loneliness and sacrifice are the oblation required for truth. These two people were vanguards, like John the Baptist, crying out a message for the truth to come in the wilderness to those that would not listen, and they were seen as mad to the point of meriting death (or at least imprisonment), but they were right.

>>19211395
>you should destroy your finances to better live out your policy preferences
Yeah that seems like a winning move for sure, if I marginalize myself as an economic actor I'll be better able to acquire a rent-a-senator and pay the government to do what I like

>>19211631
>>19211847
I never said you had to refuse and quit your job retards. I said you have to choose, either stand by your self proclaimed principles or don't. I don't care one way or the other. What pisses me off is grown men thinking they can have their cake and eat it too, never making a sacrifice. Nut up or shut up.

>>19212115
do you have any idea how much of a preachy faggot you are
>have principles
>get forced into very difficult situation because of societal discrimination against said principle
>YEA WELL WHAT ARE YOU COMPLAINING ABOUT LOL WHAT U NEVER EXPECTED TO MAKE A SACRIFICE GROW UP GOD YOU FUCKING BABY LMAO
what do you think youre actually contributing to the conversation?

>>19207826
Aren’t you allowed to not get vaxxed if you get weekly testing?

>>19211395
Quite a lot of them actually are holding out on this, and not just conservatives, some liberal types as well. Idk if you've been following the protests and worker strikes going on everywhere, the press isn't covering it so you have to check social media

>>19207958
We need more anons out there like this

>>19210335
>It's all about autonomy, you tard.

>Ted
>Autonomy
>Serving eight consecutive life sentences in a maximum security prison

How's the autonomy for ya

>>19207967
Actually it would be teaching them a lesson by making them fire you.

OP, just spend an hour scrolling through these
https://t.me/s/covidvaccineinjuries
that shit is poison, not medicine. its purpose is to cull the earth's population of people stupid enough to demand euthanasia

>>19212167
Ted was just playing hard to get with the system

>>19212135
>have principles
>society exerts pressure for conformity
>conform (reasonable reaction)
>proceed to bitch online about how it's not fair and you REALLY hate this stuff but you also aren't going to try and stop it in any meaningful way
listen man i get it, it sucks. I got vaxxed so I'd know. But I made a choice, I realized I didn't actually care that much about it compared to how much I care about remaining in society for now. I made a reasonable call, I "cucked out" so to speak. But I don't cope or bitch about it all day online like some of you fags. If I really wanted to make a stand I would have. And so would you. But you won't. These threads are just chest puffing til the day your boss really gives you an ultimatum. Anyone who would stand up for their beliefs wouldn't feel the need to get advice online to see what other anons are doing.
>>19212151
I respect anyone taking a stand on this wherever they are. Where I am, which is a very liberal corner of the US, there was no popular resistance, which probably contributed to me getting it. Life is about time and place and risks and rewards.

>>19212195
Well he's right, it isn't fair and it's bullshit and he has good grounds for complaint. It's a very fair complaint. Then some obnoxious cuckold faggot barges into the thread and starts whining about he doesn't want to hear it. Hide the thread then little bitch.

>>19208355
There’s a difference between submission and subjugation

>>19209191
>Why do you with no capital feel compelled to work for someone with capital?
Gee I don’t know retard.

>>19211337
I see my future in this post and it terrifies me. Every step I took to escape ensnared me twice as hard. The only true escape is transcendental escape.

>>19212291
The escape is to fly under the radar with some mid tier job or business that affords you some autonomy and lets you run away innawoods with your family. That is "making it" in this context and it's still rather cucked but it's immensely better than most peoples situations. If you can arrange that for yourself then strive for it

Of course being ultra rich also lets you do whatever you want but that's not feasible for most people and it has its own dangers

>>19207826
Don't take the clot shot.
Go live in the woods like ted.

>>19207967
>He won't be teaching his enemies any lessons by losing his job.
By getting the jab he teaches his enemies that they have enough power to force an injection into him.

>>19212304
You band together with other rich people and buy senators. It's the easiest and most stable form of government there is. You'll never have your revolution since you can't pay for it. And if you could afford to finance it, it would cost you everything so you'd end up paying to stop it instead. You don't get that kind of money by being stupid.

>>19212334
You never had bodily autonomy. From the minute you were born in a hospital to wage labor parents in a developed country you were destined to do whatever the government tells you

>>19212341
>implying I don't break the law daily
pssh, pushover

>>19212335
Did you reply to the wrong post or something

>>19212348
Torrenting anime doesn't count

>>19212352
If you want a say in what you're told to do, come up with at least $10MM and start buying politicians. Simple as. Otherwise please discuss literature

>>19208469
No, but I feel like he would say that the vaccines work (he is very scientifically-minded), but would be against the vaccine mandate. He would probably say that the vaccine mandate is a result of technology's inexorable restriction of freedoms.

>>19212359
>implying I'm a weeb who watches that shit

>>19212370
Also, Ted himself was probably forced to take the vaccine. I think prisoners are made to take vaccines, but I don't know how this works at ADX Florence.

>>19212365
I explained what is the only course of action for most people to avoid society as much as possible, I even pointed out that being rich is by deifntion not feasible for most. I have no idea why you're talking about buying politicians or revolutions, you sound like a bot

>>19212372
>tough guy 'outlaw'
>posts on otaku imageboard
almost certainly an election tourist

>>19212392
I'm cancer (2011) but I'm not that much of a newfag.
Anime is, 95% of the time, trash though.
Just because moot was a weeb and gookmoot is asian doesn't mean shit.

>>19212385
Man is a social animal. Avoiding society is a stupid larp unless you're a monk/hermit. You don't get to live in the woods with your bourgeois nuclear family. That's retarded. What happens when your kids reach adulthood? They just stay with you in your hut? Do you raid the local suburb for captives to mate with?

>>19212401
He's chinkmoot not gookmoot. Say his name

>>19212404
>You don't get to live in the woods with your bourgeois nuclear family
There are people are doing exactly that, or with a few other families nearby

>>19212412
Sure until you get Waco ram ranched by the government

>>19212404
Lot left. His wife turned back.
You can’t hedge your bets.
But of course I exist in the safety of speculation. My company will probably never mandate it.

>>19212420
At least you get to go out in style as a martyr
>>19212408
If you want to get technical nipmoot would be more accurate but it doesn't roll of the tongue the same way.

>>19212420
The vast majority of them dont get wacod because they're not gun running cults(not that I even have a problem with Waco guys but that's not under the radar)

>>19212341
>You never had bodily autonomy.
Say that to pro-choice sluts and see how they react

>>19212436
Aren't they overwhelmingly pro-jabbers?

>>19212428
Well I guess those are your choices then, hyper-rural neo-homesteading or living in a society

>>19212440
Of course. They don't mind other people losing their bodily autonomy, whether it's a Nazi antivaxxer or a fetus. As long as they can still be a slut, everything is peachy.

>>19212444
Yes that is indeed what my first post said about escaping society before you came in and yelled at me about buying senators

>>19212440
Not likely. Maybe for themselves, but if they’re all about autonomy. They should be consistent.

>>19212444
They can’t see inside your heart. Camouflage is the only way. But the vaccine is definitely a curveball.

>>19212464
based butterfly

>>19207981
>you must be at least 18 years old to post on this website

>>19212462
Well you (1) can't literally escape to the woods to live with just your family as the post implied because you'll die out from lack of other people to breed with and defeat the entire purpose of having family and (2) if that's the only way to live in accordance with your political or ethical principles then enjoy keeping them to yourself since you sure as hell won't be able to use the state to spread and enforce them, you'll just be less successful Amish people

>>19212464
>consistent beliefs
>nth wave feminists
kek that's a good one

>>19212574
You really just want to argue dont you? In my first post I addressed that it was still cucked but the best you could hope for as an average person, and you will not die out there are other people interested in this lifestyle. You also dont seem to get that the entire point is avoiding politics as much as possible, not winning at them. The amish have done absolutely admirably for themselves in this pursuit but you needn't be that extreme, most people will have to compromise about many things.

>>19212596
Restructuring your life to be minimally dependent on mainline society is not avoiding politics, it's an entirely political decision which is why the average, non-extreme person is never going to do it and never has, because they have greater priority concerns than actualizing dreams of autonomy.

>>19207958
>infringements of our rights
Is this what Americans actually believe

>>19213803
If abortion is legal for purposes of body autonomy then it should be legal to not be forced to take a vaccine for your job or other reasons on the same principle full stop. Especially for a disease with a 99.9% survival rate for the vast majority of people it's being mandated upon.

>>19213803
Yes…?

>>19207826
consider thinking for yourself and realise that you live only your own life and no one else's

>>19212291
>The only true escape is transcendental escape.
hllarious that you post this on a kaczynski thread. the only true escape doesn't exist, we have to make up with the material conditions at hand (the genius in kaczynski's works, strategy vs ideology). anything else is pure, crystal clear, genuine cope.

>>19207826
In your circumstance, I'd take it. You shouldn't take the vaxx unless you have to, in your case you do. The whole issue is a meme. The GOP is desperate for a platform that isn't based around immigration or foreign policy. By picking any side, you play into the establishment's hands. Centrism is unironically the best way to deal with vaxx bullshit.

>>19212281
It's absolutely easy to obtain your own capital if you're not a criminal

>>19214120
>You shouldn't take the experimental gene therapy injection still ongoing clinical trials to determine long term side effects unless you have to, in this case you are forced to, so you should take it

nobody can follow his priciples all the time, sooner or later life will put you in situations where you have to decide to what extent are you willing to bend yourself over so that you continue living in a reasonably way. if the result of not bending over this time is losing your job and therefore end up a as a tramp it may be worth it to take the vax, but maybe you can find some alternative job or workaround to stay without the vax, idk. it's your situation, look up for options, how costly are they vs how costly ideologically would be to submit and take the vax

>>19214159
Yes.

>>19207958
>no-one, not one, has said anything about it being a flagrant infringement of our most basic rights
The government has mandated vaccines before. The common good can sometimes override the individuals desires.

Do you want to make $80k+ or $12k on unemployment?

>>19214238
>>19214251
bots bots bots bots bots bots bots bots
i refuse to believe both of you are real

>>19207826
No for fucks sake, don't take it, if you do the world would be no different if you hadn't been born. It's my red line. If I have to take it or face unemployment, I will sell all of my possessions in line with Matthew 19:21, take my essentials and live the rest of my life as a monk.

>>19214251
$80k+ on unemployment please

>>19214269
I git this dumb flu shot when my job made it mandatory four months ago and nothing happened, why would I throw away my career for this stupid shit and be poor?

>>19214325
>nothing happened
clinical trials are used to determine long term side effects, clinical trials which are still ongoing to determine long term side effects, long term side effects which are still unknown because clinical trials are still ongoing

>>19214329
The long term effects of homelessness would do more on my health

>>19214339
considering that the long term side effects can last the rest of your life, no I do not believe homelessness would impact your health more negatively

>>19214345
True, homelessness would just have me be raped and killed by a fat Mexican and die in a few months. Guess that sounds better than getting some meme shot that does nothing and protects against nothing then living normally

>>19214355
>that does nothing
except that it induces a whole array of potential side effects, side effects that are still unknown as they are being determined under clinical trials, clinical trials which are often used to investigate potential long term side effects

>the replies
Smartest board on 4chan my ass

>>19214362
I'll take that over the other outcome with garanteed side effects of being a hobo.

>>19214375
Yes, because you are an idiot.

>>19214380
You'll understand once you don't live with your parents.

>>19207985
>legal route
J-just two more weeks

>>19207985
Wow voting is important

>>19207826
Grow a spine and do a crime OP >>19207944

>>19214238
All vaccines go through at least a 10-year period from discovery to public distribution, anon. Your comparison has little to no ground to stand on.

>>19214747
They also legally changed the definition of vaccine just so they could call the cocktail of random shit they scraped off the bottom of a table that they're pushing as a vaccine by that term.

>>19214238
Calling untested mRNA shit vaccine doesn't make it any safer.

The same way calling a punch on your children's face love doesn't make it hurt any less.

>>19207826
I'm so glad I'm not you
Lol faggot

>>19211395
Its so pathetic.
The anti vax tards are the proof that good times indeed create weak men

>>19207879
>choose your battles wisely

You're not choosing your battles. You're surrendering at every single one. How about choosing a battle and once you've actually started to resist, then you can be selective as to where you place your resources.

If you really value your work or anything in your life you will realize that they will be looking to strip from you either way, its just a matter of doing it now or later. Compliance now will only delay the fight you will inevitably be caught up in.

>>19214238
If you're going to be an apologist for totalitarian regimes at least be honest and say 'individual freedoms' and not 'desires'.

>>19207826
Get the shot or get shot.

>>19208015
>nobody forcing him

Can you define force?

I define it as anything compelling you to do something. Now the question is how much will we tolerate because people are always tryong to force us into other things.

By your logic, nobody is forcing you not to commit crime like murder. Then enforce it simply by taking away your freedoms and priveledges later.

Not getting a vaccine is being treated like a crime. They are incriminating people who do not comply

>>19214100
Amor Fati

>>19214374
Dosto was right.
>Feed us then give us faith

>>19207826
>I think that Savitri Devi would tell me to take the vaccine if it meant I could continue my work.
Lol no, she was against the jewish poison.
>Ted not so much.
He would call you a faggot.

Don´t get the vax,

OP, this nigga changed my life a long time ago like you wouldn't believe. A lot of things people are saying now he was saying a long time ago. Stallman at least showed us what technology COULD be, but he was also right about what it would become if we let it.

>>19207826
if you take one of these rushed experimental vaccines you are submitting to being treated as a lab rat

>>19207826
Ostracize yourself from society. Clearly you dont fit in. If you cant do that you have to assimilate. Simple as.

>>19215259
Everything about the pro-mandate standpoint stinks of intellectual dishonesty. Witness how pro-mandate proponents can't stop making nonsensical analogies and prattling on with idiotic non-arguments such as "Well, you can't drive drunk, therefore you should be forced to get an injection into your body that you don't want." They'll also tell you that even though you may lose your job for not getting injected, nobody "forced" you to because you could just get another job (where they would also likely try to coerce you into getting the injection). Sure, people who are trapped into their job (due to supporting their children, being able to put food on the table, and maintain a habitable dwelling) have a "choice" in the same way that homeless people have a choice to not be homeless—id est., no true choice. These people are moral cowards and intellectual con artists.

>>19216252
That's what twitter is for. Outcasts who offer nothing else. But instead of embracing this the useless cunts side with the trannies and attack whatever power the ostracized might otherwise begin to have.

>>19207826
I got the vaccine. Pretty sure it's a placebo and you're all retarded.

>live your life according to the teachings of ted
>are in a position where the vax affects your life in any way
Yeah ok

>>19215113
>Compliance now will only delay the fight you will inevitably be caught up in.

This. And whatever you end up with then will be more difficult to fight against. It's better to oppose a problem when it's relatively small rather than wait until it's more difficult to deal with.

>>19216565
In his defense it's almost impossible to live any kind of life that isn't a modern industrial life. Even if you're willing to destroy your current livelihood it's almost impossible that you will be able to escape the long shadow of governments and corporations. Ted himself failed at it. There's no point, the only real escape is suicide.

OP you should burn the forest in their minecraft server
If you are going to get banned from the server then bring it down with you

>>19207826
trading your principles for a paycheck will mean you're physically comfortable (for now) but spiritually dead. and choosing the paycheck now also means that down the road when they want to take away more of your rights they'll know they can just threaten your job

>>19216896
This is a large part of the reason I won't comply. If I do, I'll have to spend the rest of my life knowing they were able to pull one over on me.

>>19216535
I’m convinced it’s a placebo too half the time. They’ve weaponized our mistrust against us.

>>19217236
I think there are all sorts of legal procedures that are supposed to keep medical entities from just administering placebos to people (i.e. without them signing agreements to participate in medical studies), but these days who knows. I wouldn't put it past them at this point.

>>19207965
You don't need a gym to stay strong you stupid motherfucker

>>19207826
you are stupid redundant useless faggot, die

>>19218652
Don't listen to this guy OP, the antichrist is trying to sully you with his lies on behalf of big pharma

>>19213818
>>19213825
I bet you think the draft is a violation of your rights too?

Freedom comes with responsibility this isn't difficult, no one is even forcing you to get the vaccine, just getting you to get one if you wanna be in a public place nigger...

>>19218764
Yes the draft is, and anyone who suggests otherwise is a bootlicker through and through.
Freedom isn't free, but mandating a minimally tested mRNA vaccine for a disease with a 99.9% survival rate for the vast majority of the population is ridiculous.
Apples and oranges.

>>19212341
you are right and the replies to you will be larp cope

>>19218768
How long will it take until you morons realize were not afraid of you dying, were afraid of people weaker than you filling up all the hospital beds.

What if China invaded the US, would the draft still be a violation of your rights?

>>19218764
You really think this is about a disease or public health? The state doesnt give a flying fuck about public health and could have simply ignored the existence of this disease, chalking it up to a bad flu season or two

>>19218772
I bet you follow every law to the letter eh fag?

>>19218776
>You really think this is about a disease or public health?
Yes i actually do, even if its not for humanitarian reasons (which i think it is) the state doesnt want its workforce incapacitated etc

I got it and my reasoning was essentially that as a young ugly male, I am completely unwanted by everyone, I will never have children, I will have no connection to the future, so why stress myself out over any principled stand when others won't even allow me to take part in the next generation. I'm priced out. Why should I care that humanity is turning into a swarm of brown muttcucks, humanity does not want me and has expressed this clearly. I used to take principles seriously and make sacrifices for them, but that's before I understood that nobody even wants me here.
Now, there is a man I work with. He has been steadfast in his vaccine opposition to the point where his wife was just fired as a nurse for refusing the shot. He is very inspiring, all the more so because I didn't really think principled people still exist. He is married and will likely have children, it is sensible for someone like him to express principles that may influence future generations.

>>19218775
>What if China invaded the US, would the draft still be a violation of your rights?
Yes, even if the Devil himself invade the US, trying to force someone to fight against his will is still wrong.

If the threat is real, people will volunteer, if it's another war over the seas to benefit some politician, then people should be free to refuse.

>>19218785
They are hemorrhaging workers while most who die are not workers but drawing benefits.

>>19215249
this but unironically

>>19218792
If everyone thought like you, democracy and liberty wouldnt survive.
>>19218794
what are you even saying?

>>19218775
It's not my fault people choose to eat garbage, become obese, and develop diabetes and then wonder why their health is shit and they can't handle what's a cold for other people.

Also China would never invade the USA, I have no doubts the politicians in charge would sooner launch nukes and end the world in nuclear Armageddon than let America be invaded by any nation, chinks or not.

Even if a war did start with China, I would have no part of it.
>>19218785
The people who are actually threatened by covid are either obese or old as fuck, neither of those groups make up a substantial portion of the workforce by any means.

>>19218809
No but they incapacitate the hospital, which is why they do lockdowns which is why the economy is fucking tanking.

>>19218806
>If everyone thought like you, democracy and liberty wouldnt survive.
There's no need for a draft when someone house and family is being threatened, drafts only become necessary when a country is fighting strange wars in distant lands.

If "democracy and liberty" need to force people to fight in pointless wars for contractors to make some money or for cheaper oil for some companies, then maybe "democracy and liberty" are not a good thing.

>>19207826
Both would obviously not take it.

Ted would literally do some illegal shit and go out into the forest

Devi would go full hitler

>>19218777
I'm sure you'll keep talking when the oxygen is no longer reaching your brain due to lack of blood flow. I don't think you understand what the state is or what its capable of. The ease of your life is simply a given (as they want).

>>19218806
They lost a fuckton of productivity by locking down and they are now losing even more as people quit and strike, your argument about it being so the workforce isn't affected is absurd. The vast majority of workers are mostly unaffected by this disease

>>19218814
My state hasn't enforced lockdowns OR masks for over a year and we've been fine.
Keep coping by huffing Big Pharma farts.

>>19218816
Im not pro 90% of US wars, i am only for their right to draft citizen to fight if worst comes to worst, this is not that big a problem in a big isolated country like yours, in mine we do conscription because of close enemies.

>>19218814
The economy is taking damage because of a massive quarantine directly hurting business.

Medical costs of Covid are pretty much null compared with the damage of the government forcefully halting the country because some boomers may die.

>>19218814
It's going to be really hard for you guys to keep arguing this now that multiple states have stopped playing along lol. You'll have to just make up stories about mass deaths or something

>>19218821
lol okay whatever you say glowie, I'll be waiting for you
we'll have lots of fun

>>19218825
If it comes to the worst of the worst, people will fight.

Draft is only useful for foreign offensive wars, wars that people don't want to fight for a reason or another.

>>19218822
>>19218824
>>19218826
The problem isnt you dying still, its the hospital wards being filled to the brim so you cant get a bypass surgery.
>>19218834
disease is pretty much done now anyways, because of vaccines, atleast in my country.

>>19218839
>The problem isnt you dying still, its the hospital wards being filled to the brim so you cant get a bypass surgery.
Ok, but where are hospitals filled? Even Belarus, who had no quarantine at all, didn't had overloads in its hospitals.

>>19218846
overload is relative, waiting times for surgery are massively increased.

>>19218839
You seem Israel's numbers lately? Idk why I'm even bothering to discuss this with someone this unbelievably naive

>>19218839
Again, my state hasn't enforced masks or lockdown for over 8+ months, in winter, before the vaccine was even available.
No hospitals were filled to the brim or other such shit.
It didn't happen, and you're playing pretend with your made-up scenario.

>>19218850
>>19218846
https://www.bmj.com/content/370/bmj.m3557
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_hospital_crisis_in_the_U.S._from_COVID-19

>>19218850
>overload is relative,
No, it's an objective metric of how full a hospital is.

>waiting times for surgery are massively increased.
Because surgery have been forcefully canceled because of muh quarantine, in countries with little to no quarantine not only have hospitals not been overloaded, but surgery have not been delayed.

>>19218852
what about it? Please tell me youre not looking at total cases as opposed to daily new cases...

>>19218858
you are a moron. You probably think the election was stolen too

>>19218855
>Government forces hospital to separate a huge amount of beds for Covid, most of said beds don't get used, but this cause a lack of beds for everything else and surgery had to be paused in the US. You see, Covid caused a bed shortage.

>>19218865
>>19218852
forgot pic
>>19218867
you have an answer for everything dont you?

>>19218865
>you are a moron. You probably think the election was stolen too
Great argument, calling me a moron really show how Covid, despite not hurting countries without quarantines, is inherently harmful.

>>19218869
>you have an answer for everything dont you?
Yeah anon, I work in a hospital and I took some time to learn about what was going on.

Pretty much all the bed shortage is caused by wacky quarantine regulation passed in a hurry.

>>19218869
He has an answer because he can actually think while you're barely sapient sludge repeating incoherent propaganda

>>19207826
>I have spent the last 4 years trying to live my life by the philosophies and principles of these two
>my job
No you haven't.

>>19218870
Im from Sweden, we didnt have much of a lockdown, i think it was probably the right move, but it killed alot of people.
>>19218874
i worked in the ECMO unit too, it was all kinds of fucked up, but only at certain times, other times it was very sleepy.

>>19218876
>being this illiterate
He's literally saying lack of beds is caused by meaningless covid regulations mandating less full hospitals....lol
see
>>19218874

arguments ive won, and goalposts shifted:
>Israels numbers
>muh freedums
>lockdowns being useless
>hospitals overloaded
Go back to Putin bots.

>>19218878
Sweden Covid death per capita is not high, it's considerably lower than similar countries who had total lockdowns.

For all I saw, the number of deaths doesn't really depend on quarantine measures, but on the age and the obesity of any given population. It's quite funny to see 3rd world countries without proper healthcare have far lower death rates than the UK or the US.

>>19218890
Arguments we've won, and goalposts shifted.
>Israel's excess cases after vaccinations
>Muh lockdowns
>Lockdowns ruining the economy
>Hospitals overloading when forced to accept less patients
Go back to Pfizer Bot

>>19218878
>I'm from Sweden
This explains the uncanny level of obsequious regime fellating

>>19218896
Its higher than all the nordic countries

Countries that had higher death tolls were all densely populated with big cities like UK and France.

>>19218896
Third world countries have unreliable data

>>19218898
>Israles excess cases
>>19218869
>>19218865
>lockdowns
>>19218878
>hospital overloading
>>19218855

>>19218898
>citing cases as a meaningful metric post-vaccine
Please, friends, do not do this!

>>19218913
Why'd you link me the article that agrees with me, that Israel only had excess cases AFTER the vaccine?
Are you rarted

>>19218913
>Third world countries have unreliable data
Do you really need to assume any data that doesn't agree with you must be false? If anything, medical data from the US is less reliable than most of the 3rd world.

>>19218920
>You see, vaccines doens't really prevent infection or development of the disease, so these are not good metrics.
So why is this shit good for? Sound like people are getting vaccinated so politicians and journalists don't have to admit they were wrong.

>>19218920
>citing deaths as a meaningful metric when anyone who died after testing positive from covid, regardless of manner of death, got added to covid's death toll
Please, friends, do not do this!

>>19218926
>If anything, medical data from the US is less reliable than most of the 3rd world.
>this is what vax truthers actually believe

>>19218923
Where does it agree with you?

No Israels cases plummeting as population gets more vaccinated.

>>19218926
Thats not true. America for all its fault, has very powerful institutions and is a modern country, it has some of the highest GDP per capita in the world.

>>19218929
Vaccines significantly reduce the likelihood of infection without eliminating it. This is true of every vaccine for every disease. Viral load has also been shown to dissipate more quickly in vaccinated persons.

>>19218936
>>19218939
No anon, this is what a medical researcher has to deal daily.

People just assume the US would do a good job, yet you'd be surprised on how the US healthcare system, with its over bloated structure and lack of standardization is a mess.

Between stats purposefully twisted to make some company look good, a total lack of standards between companies and between states, and pure incompetence in the US medical data hard to work with, and not reliable sometimes.

>>19218945
>Vaccines significantly reduce the likelihood of infection without eliminating it.
Yet it doesn't lower the number of cases, nor the chance of someone infected developing the disease.

It does decrease the change of a patience developing the harshest forms of the disease by a small amount, while losing efficiency over time.

Sound pretty useless.

>>19218945
That doesn't have anything to do with forcing the vaccine onto otherwise healthy youg people and you know it.

>>19218950
Its not the hospitals that do the research you nigger, collecting medical data is done by state organs like the NIH.

>>19218957
I doubt there's some shady conspiracy, it's more like politicians and journalists have both huge egos and cannot admit they made a mistake... they said the vaccine was necessary, and now they are stuck on this road even when we know it's a useless effort.

>>19218939
I know you're illiterate numbnuts, but the negative trending slope doesn't happen until September, long long after vaccines have been available to everyone.

>>19218957
>>19218957
It does because young healthy people spread the virus on, so get the vaccine faggot or stay home.
>>19218956
You are an idiot of remarkable proportions, get off my board.

>>19218960
And that's why some people are standing up and calling them out on their bullshit.
For that exactly.

>>19218959
>Its not the hospitals that do the research you nigger.
First, it is "it's" not "its"; second, it's both, different metrics must be collected by different people in different manners; and this change between states.

>>19218965
Yet not only politicians and journalists have invested their time and reputation in this, and are now unwilling to take a step back and admit they were wrong.

Private individuals such as
>>19218959
>>19218945
>>19218945
also have talked a lot about the vaccine, the quarantine and all the circus and now their ego don't allow them to backpedal.

Isn't all of this sad?

>>19218962
>young healthy people spread the virus
So do people who have been vaccinated numbnuts, so that doesn't change anything

>>19218956
>Yet it doesn't lower the number of cases
Yes it does
>nor the chance of someone infected developing the disease
Yes it does
>It does decrease the change of a patience developing the harshest forms of the disease by a small amount
It actually prevents death in almost all cases.
>but muh 99% survival rate
I'm personally very happy that my grandmothers have the extra protection of a vaccine, and although I'm young, it feels good knowing I have essentially a 0% chance of getting serious covid. Why would you object so vigorously to this action which takes 15 minutes out of your day?

>>19218973
Do you guys know what happen when a vaccine that doesn't prevent transmission but prevent symptoms is used in the whole population?

>>19218970
Very sad unfortunately, although I'm very thankful to live in an area where nobody gives a shit about continuing to fondle big pharma for what's is a useless exercise in ego.

fuck the vaxx it'll kill u

>>19218973
Any vaccine ever doesnt eliminate you getting the disease, it just dies of quicker, making spreading more difficult.

>>19218970
>the quarantine
What does quarantine, which has not been in effect anywhere in the United States for a year and a half, have to do with getting vaccinated?

>>19218983
Orange one is cases among unvaccinated
Blue is vaccinated

>>19218978
>Yes it does
Wishing for something to be true doesn't make it true, pretty much all the data we have show the vaccine doesn't lower the infection rate, doesn't lower the number of infected people and doesn't lower the number of infected people who get sick.

It only decreases the chance of a sick person developing harsher symptoms.

>>19218980
In the American case you also have the lobbies, it's amazing how people don't see a problem in a company making billions from each dose pushing for vaccination for people who don't benefit from it.

>>19218979
I'm waiting for "next week" "next month" "etc" whenever the actually deadly covid variant supposedly hits so I can pass from this world & not have to exist in the same plane of existence as you
>>19218983
And? Am I supposed to care about a virus that has less chance of killing me than my daily commute?

>>19218987
Anon, when people adopt a position and invest their ego on it, they tend to adopt the whole position.

Once a person has decided to "support Covid protection measures", they usually start to support some efficient measures (vaccination of the elder, masks in public transport) and also the bullshit (vaccination of people below 30 years, closing business, so people stay at home)... it's much like religions work.

>>19218990
>I'm waiting for "next week" "next month" "etc" whenever the actually deadly covid variant supposedly hits so I can pass from this world & not have to exist in the same plane of existence as you
And what makes you think a vaccine made to fight the current variation will have any effect on future variations? If anything, we already have three major variations that totally ignore the vaccine effect.

>>19218994
This is complete nonsense. The median American is gladly fully vaccinated and at the same time no longer wearing masks. Most people view vaccination as the way out from all the other protection measures.

>>19218990
>I'm waiting for "next week" "next month" "etc" whenever the actually deadly covid variant supposedly hits so I can pass from this world & not have to exist in the same plane of existence as you
Wrong, Malek disease happen;

>>19219003
And what you think most mutts will think when the vaccine stop working? Will the "I support vaccine" part of the population drink all the cool aid again?

>>19219000
Well you're shit out of luck now kiddo, aren't you?
I guess you'll just have to sit there and watch while I spread gaseous death everywhere I walk, sneezing on napkins, spitting in soap dispensers.
I shall spread the plague like Arthas reborn, for Lordaeron.
>>19219004
Won't somebody think of the chickens!

>>19218990
>And? Am I supposed to care about a virus that has less chance of killing me than my daily commute?
That's the idea, you are supposed to care about the virus because all journalists got hyped in this train.

>>19211395
Fucking this. Americans having a meltdown because they have to take a vaccine. Pathetic. Are most Americans like an entitled Karen or something?

>>19219005
People will get their annual covid vaccines, exactly the same as their annual flu vaccines, and continue living their lives.

>>19219015
I've never got a Flu vaccine in my life, don't know very many people who get them either.

>>19219010
My body my choice cunt

>>19207826
The Lord says don't get it, so don't get it. Christ will take care of you. Be blessed and don't take it.

>>19207958
>rights
Somebody tell him...

>>19219016
So you're poor?