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>>19196001
Why would a God want less worshippers?

>>19196006
A handful of true and devoted worshippers is preferable to many fake worshippers

>>19196012
Why do they need any worshippers?

>>19196006
>Why X isn't mainstream if it's so good?
It's always a matter of numbers with you stupid oversocialized zoomers, you're unable to actively use your brain if you don't gain your fucking social approval. Next thing you're gonna ask is why milions of people watch ecelebs or cable TV, if so many idiots watch these trash shows it must be good right?

>>19196017
They don't, that's why they got rid of their numerous fake believers in the past.

>>19196022
top 5 Gods, plz list 'em

>>19196001
Oi have you read that book. I'm planning on getting it since I got one from the same series and I really enjoyed it.

>>19196029
For me, it's Malacath, Molag Bal, Mehrunes Dagon and the main man himself, Sheogorath

>>19196029
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>>19196094
cringe

>>19196034
Series? What series? Tell me more.

>>19196044
Beyond based,

>>19196006
>Why would a God want less worshippers?
You have too choose between three good friends or a hundred screaching hobos.

>>19196001
Jason Reza Jorjani was correct to point out that the development of Islam (Zoroastrianism initially) and Christianity were direct results of the Byzantine (Roman) and Sassanid empires developing adopting religions that they could institute hierarchies of theological dominance and control over, because these empires were WEAK and needed a religion to prop them up.
The roman pantheon and creation myths lost appeal when the original Roman population was crowded out by having to also integrate all the peoples they conquered, so they needed one religio to rule them all.

>>19196122
It's from the 'Transformation of the Classical Heritage' series by the university of California. I own 'There is no crime for those who have Christ' and wanted other books from the series.

>>19196154
Jorjani has some brainlet takes but this one is sort of correct.

Christian hierarchy was for the first few hundred years extremely dependant on post-constantine emperors, who pretty much nominated the pope themselves.
Now when you actually look at Roman paganism, the later Neoplatonism is a development mimicking of Christianity, in a sense it tries to explain all the divinities across the empire to be part of the one god, greatly simplifying all the matters regarding the interaction of religion and politics - yes, your gods are honoured by the emperor when he worships Sol Invictus and so on. This was however unworkable so it seems the Romans decided that Christianity wss a simpler way of achieving the same goal.

>>19196001
Pagan cope. Your dog fucking demon 'gods' were exterminated. And rightfully so.

>>19196316
Christ is basically a sun deity in the same manner as Mithras or Osiris were.

Paganism is literally for women and fags easily manipulated by anything.
Why do you want this shit back?

>>19196429
Christianity too was adopted by karens of their day and slaves and all such lowlives.

>>19196476
Yes, imo as a philosophy of life and society, only judaism and islam are based.

>>19196429
>>19196339

Christcucks go whip yourselves.

It's very simple when you get down to it. Roman paganism was a big bundle of traditions, Christianity was a focused system of thought. The latter beats the former every time

>>19196551
Jews arent based and neither are musslims. Maybe up until 1600 but after that musslims just become more and more fractured leadimg to today. Turkey was the most advanced musslim coumtry and still is. Thank you Ertugrul and Osman

>>19196612
Do you think if the roman citizens were just to stupid honestly to learn about the traditional pantheon of gods so they just went with 1 big god with lots of small stories to back him up?

>>19196621
Most people are too dumb or lazy to learn their religion, yes

Ask your average Catholic to explain something like the Particular Judgement and you'll be met with a blank stare

>>19196623
I agree with you i couldnt tell you what the particular judgement is. If most normal people are so blasé about religion i wonder then why dont they just say fuck it and worship some ludicrous pagan religion? Sure the normie mentality is there as in
>sacrifice bad!
>No dont do x!

At what point in the future if there even is one will people say fuck it and go back to old ways where gods were more interesting at least

>>19196565
go play with your candles and animal skulls, paganlarper

>>19196635
>why dont they just say fuck it and worship some ludicrous pagan religion?

They do, their version of Christianity is basically
>pray to get stuff
>go to heaven if you're good

Eckhart addressed this as I recall, saying that many people view God like a cow that gives milk on command. There's some quote from the Sister Catherine Treatise (which is heretical tbf) that summarises it like
>He who takes God as his god, and worships God as his god, and loves God as his god, is to me an unbeliever

Many people follow what is effectively a pagan religion

>>19196636
>candles and animal skulls
like during catholic ceremonies?

>>19196316
I think it’s mostly because Neoplatonism, while drawing closer to Paganism, still discarded the traditional conceptions of the Gods they incorporated. It’s like being a Christian but denying the miracles.

>>19196685
>candles and animal skulls
>catholic ceremonies
Do you wash your fedora regularly?

>>19196154
The young Hegel also has similar thoughts. He argues that the society of the Roman Empire became more alienated (although he doesn't use that word in these works) and Christianity was more suitable to this alienated society.

>>19196001
>a wide range of Gods who cooperated with humanity on a spiritual and physical level. The fall of paganism is an undeniable proof that the populace prefers to be dominated by a wrathful and distant God
You have no clue about paganism or christianity.

>>19196001
>while only the top percentage of philosophers stuck to their ancestral faith until the end.
...You mean the neoplatonists who actively distanced themselves from polytheism and focused more on the One? As the idia of an infitely wise infinently powerful etc implies a singularity in being and all. Reading something like Plotinus, there really isnt that much from a basic perspective that seems congruinous with wider eariler paganism. Not Saying this development is christian or anything, the mondic traditions sprouted up in different places then took on some aspects of each other with contact.

Even Plato proper places the gods underneith a greater God, and doesnt really focus on them much for serious thought, mostly employing them aphoristically.

>>19196316
Wasnt the earlier roman pantheon also heavily state intertwined? Like Ceaser grabing the position of pontifex maximus and doing a whole bunch of shit to leverage that point. Though I do agree that it didnt seem to have as much exertable power with structured communities outside of rome for power projection.

>>19196429
They want it back for 2 reasons, which are misguided but the reasons nonetheless.
1) modern materialism status quo but magic and enchanted and spiritual and fulfilling (Christian word) have your cake and eat it too thinking
2) moral and ethical grievances with Abrahamism that are divorced from logic and revelation entirely

>>19197417
I would say that Plotinus is atypically distant from traditional paganism. According to Porphyry's biography Plotinus did not give sacrifices to the gods and saw nothing below the One as worthy of veneration. Both Porphyry and Iamblichus seem to have regarded this as a strange, even blasphemous, quirk.

>>19197417
Seems a non-sequitor for christians to have concluded that The One who desired nothing, had no qualities, no whims was this tribal God from Israel.

>>19197449
Possible. could you give me other phil recommendations of the later empire that are more pagan then? From my readings, even as far back as plato, there was a growing distance from the Gods in the higher spheres of philosophy to various monadic/ first principle based systems rather than talking about the gods plural.

Though I do know some proto hermetic stuff did place particular focus on the namescape god. Though often as an imbodyment of a principle. From myreading, Julian seemed very much like a christian in terms of mindset of the time, but did not like aspects of it and wanted a more grecofied (though Christianity as somewhat, but not entirely) alternative rather than a revolutionarily different system.

>>19197473
Christians didn’t conclude that though. That’s a strawman.

>>19197473
.... Your comment seems like more of a non sequitor than mine, I even explicitly states that the monadic traditions are not one in the same. And its pretty evident in the text that the Hebrews eventually identified the One embodied as YWHW and sole grand being. Which they justify through their tradition and miracles and prophets and such. weither one believes this or not is up to them (and many dont, like Gnostics)

My point was on the shift to monadism in general.

>>19197494
Iamblichus, Porphyry, and Proclus were much more 'pagan' than Plotinus. That being said, since they accepted Plato's writings as divinely inspired, they considered that all extant gods must be perfectly virtuous and always agree with each other (from the Euthyphro and the Laws). Christianity had a similar process wherein they over time had a more platonic conception of God (see, for example, Origen). This caused a great deal of theological convergence.

>>19197556
Neo platonists after all are just platonists and Plato and socrates were highly critical of Gods that didn't embody the truth and the good.

>>19196001
Nah, christianity was something the bourgeoisie forced on the roman proles top-down through leveraging their power and connections to the ruling elite.

Just as the birth of the yahwist movement out of canaanite polytheism in the kingdom of israel, the spread of christianity was also downstream from political developments in the empire, namely, the fact that christianity and its monotheism was more suited for ruling a huge globohomo empire than polytheistic paganism was.

>>19197556
>Iamblichus, Porphyry, and Proclus
Thanks for the recs. will look into
>they considered that all extant gods must be perfectly virtuous and always agree with each other
Thats interesting. seeing how common stories have the gods in oposition to one another often (though often they are in agreement/ the divine will), but I could totally understand in a more theologically rigorous sense how that conclusion could come to be and delineating folk from high theology. Also seems to echo the ideas in Timeaus. Seems like an interesting subject. especially in a time of widespread mystery cults and such.

>theological convergence.
yah, that seems like the general atmosphere at the time. especially with how many christian Greeks there was.

>>19197860
Their whole argument boils down to "it was time bro, look these greeks are talking about all-permeating the one, age of Pisces bro"

>>19197860
idk man, the romans got allong pretty ok in the pax romana sans major christianity.

Also, if we want to go from a cynisist pov, i would more put the focus on Christians being predisposed to establish rather strong local organizations bottum up and top down in bishoprics for power projection rather than more alienated indivigual temples.

>>19196001
>It's really easy to see why paganism declined. A decadent, materialistic society whose only religious remnants were meaningless traditions that roman citizens blindly followed decided to opt out their ancestral beliefs to adopt a more social control-oriented middle eastern cult.
History isn't a morality tale. What actually happened was that the economic dislocation of the Third Century Crisis crippled the civic cults that were the lifeblood of Mediterranean religion, and the highly organised Christian church filled the vacuum.

>>19198097
>History isn't a morality tale.
I dont disagree with the later part of your comment, but I do disagree with this. Its both a moral and a material one. the zeitgeist can very much effect how a civilization deveelops.as well as their core understandings.

>>19196001
Review of this book, watch this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NYcbIPtsW8

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>>19198426
>tranny server
no thanks

>>19196001
Christianity is extremely plebian and democratic in its character compared to older more valid forms of spirituality The lack of any real esoteric dimension is just a logical extension of this fact. It is also very semitic/jewish insofar as it always grafts itself onto other traditional frameworks (for example no Western holidays are truly Christian, they come from pre-Christian spirituality, it is like a jew conforming to whatever nation has to suffer him for the time). Semitic Christianity's coming to the West is undeniably a landmark in the decline of our civilisation. Any of the positive elements people tell me about Christianity in Europe are actually just pre-Christian traditions under the guise of all the pussified semitic wrappings, or they are just propaganda, because the church lied A LOT and destroyed everything that didn't fit their perverted worldview.

The idea that there is a personalised god that created everything and cares about you is quite literally cope for the commoners, so is the idea that the average person can obtain immortality after this life instead of their individuality simply dissolving and their soul's essence being recycled into another form of existence. Jesus was a Priest-King in the Order of Melchizedek, only initiates can survive the second death.

>>19197932
Are people trolling /lit/ when they type like this?

Also he's right and you're wrong, but to be honest I'm not even sure what you're saying exactly.

"Paganism" is just "not-abrahamism." There were and are pagans who are not overt polytheist but some variety of monotheist, monist, pantheist, etc. It is a christer cope to argue that the neoplatonists which they borrowed from are somehow not pagans because they were monists. What you really mean to say is that their theology was the easiest to appropriate in the event you found it difficult to convert educated Hellenes to your cult, which was entirely based on following around a magician who said he was the son of the Judaean god.

>>19197860
The key thing to realize is that during Constantine's reign, christians barely amounted to more than ten percent of the overall population, with most christians being concentrated in the metropolises of the empire rather than the countryside. It was a matter of this extremely aggressively expansive religion being attached to the bureaucrat mandarins of the 4th century that granted christianity's success : no religion ever spread like it without attaching itself to the state apparatus. By the time of Theodosius pagans were more or less eliminated from the state apparatus completely, being completely demoralized and less exclusionary and aggressively spreading/conversion-encouraging by nature than christians, there were no brakes left for christianity to become the sole state religion.

>>19196001
>It's really easy to see why paganism declined.
Jews.

>>19198529
>(for example no Western holidays are truly Christian, they come from pre-Christian spirituality
Evidence? Oh wait, it's ass-talking bullshit, like everything else you say, because the date of Christmas is based on winter solstice, not a pagan holiday, and celebrated in the east on a different day. And Easter comes right out of Passover, which is proven through actual, primary sources and not internet bullshittery.

As if worshiping trees and animals is better than skydaddy. It's all teh same flavor of SHIT. kys

>>19198529
I wish guenonfags all suffered the first death already

>>19198916
>Christmas is based on winter solstice, not a pagan holiday
Oh yes when the sun god begins his return and the days get longer, very Christian indeed

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>>19198928
Animal worship is based. Start with the caves. Read Bataille's The Cradle of Humanity

>>19198946
>pisscord
Kill yourself

>>19198549
How was I trolling? I just didnt ordain to write with any effort.

Are you saying the empire was not stable in the few hundred years after Octavian?
Also, How was I wrong about church structures being a more robust powerbase than most pagan ones?

>>19198954
You can't really go from platonism or christianity to worshipping a tree or a deer.

>>19198928
But the greeks and romans worshiped skydaddies (and mommies) like most Indo-Aryans. They were not animists as much as polytheists (though they did have some residual animism that lessened as time went on)

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>>19196429
>>19197427
It's more of a reaction against Christianity than an authentic belief in "the Gods". You have neopagans who think Christianity isn't very nice and neopagans who think Christianity is the source of egalitarianism and dislike it for that reason.

>>19199122
That's true, every neopagan is very political it seems like.

>>19199066
I'm not saying you can go backwards. But we can easily contrast skydaddyism from animism. Skydaddy is a source of nothing, just a reification of the ruling elite as descended from purported gods. Animals meanwhile were a source of nutrition for primitive man. A successful hunt meant you could feed your family and would be respected by your peers. Skydaddy is just kowtowing to a vacant throne, it does nothing for you but enforce abstract social relations. People used to slaughter and burn animals to skydaddy as a holdover from the previous animal worship. But with that going away it becomes pure despotism.

>>19199134
Have you spoken to a Christian on this website? Or an atheist for that matter.

>>19199148
Political ideology is what actually matters to most people now. But it's understandable when the State undertakes projects like "demographic replenishment" and reconfiguration of morality around worship of victimhood for its own sake and only a handful of people are actually convinced that the Christian revelation which previously served as society's moral center actually took place at all.

>>19199085
grog think progress bad, regression good
I hate this type of thinking. The only irreversible damage that has been done to/by humans is animal extinction (and even those can be recreated with time, since evolution is always happening).

>>19199085
>Gore Vidal
As a left-liberal his entire worldview is informed by a Christian sense of human equality and dignity. It's so laughable to see Western leftists denounce Christianity when their whole belief system is a degenerated form of a subset of it.

>>19199169
>reconfiguration of morality around worship of victimhood for its own sake
This is the essence of Christianity though. What you're upset about is the latest innovation in Christian sectarianism, one that is swiftly replacing the older modes.

>>19199200
At least in actually-believing Christianity Jesus sacrificed himself, there is no efficacious sacrifice taking place in victim-ism. I suspect the collapse of Christianity into veneration of ascriptive-victim categories has a lot to do with the decline of "sacrificial culture".

>>19196006
"Fewer" for discrete quantities

>I have less water
>I have fewer pennies

>>19199256
The victim is the holiest of all, they have done nothing wrong and are incapable of wrong, but suffer all the same for it at the hands of the sinners. Yet the victim is willing to redeem you sinners if you agree to defer to them on everything under the sun and place the wretched on the altar. Your sins can be expunged by their hand, they alone can award you absolution for both your own evil and that of your ancestors

>>19199276
>Yet the victim is willing to redeem you sinners if you agree to defer to them on everything under the sun and place the wretched on the altar.
You can't be redeemed in post-WW2 victimism though. I don't mean this in a transcendent sense, you will be branded evil no matter how much you grovel.

>>19198933
Guenon is superior

>>19198916
Christmas and easter, the two biggest ones, are very clearly pagan, cutting down a tree and erecting it in your house (phallic symbol corresponding to the re-birth of the sun), or the egg and bunny symbolism, which comes from pagan fertility celebrations in sping. Then there's halloween, but Christians can't even pretend to adopt that one. The catholic church is absolutely full of pagan rituals, but christians wouldn't know, because they rarely step out of their delusion bubble.

>>19199256
all of these sjw values ultimately came from degenerated christianity, in more virile European religions there is none of that SHIT

The Grail is so obviously pre-christian it's not even funny. It goes all the way back to the primordial Tradition (which would be considered "pagan").

>>19199286
Well yes, you'll always have that stain of being the wrong group, but you can feel better about yourself knowing you did all you could as an ally of the elect to fight the sinful.

>>19199322
>an ally of the elect to fight the sinful.
meaningless, spiritual cucking at best

I don't know but I almost bought an Isis statue and an alter.

I finally just decided to buy a Mary statue. Catholicism is pagan enough for me.

>>19199346
Yes as pioneered by Paul and carried out through other such renegade sons of Abraham like a certain Karl. The only true schismatic from the tribe will always be Spinoza

>>19199370
who is Karl

>refutes christianity
heh nothing personal kid

>>19199384
>>19199370
He means Klaus Schwab leader of the World Economic Forum, not sure what his point was though, seems pretty random/stupid to bring him up.

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>>19199392
I mean marky marx, who wouldn't recognize critical theory as his child but played a role in its genealogy nevertheless

>>19198388
Paganism didn't decline because it was inherently more or less moral or decadent or vital or whatever than Christianity. The socioeconomic base of traditional Mediterranean paganism was destroyed by a triple whammy of economic, demographic and military crisis in the 3rd century. The Christian church just picked up the pieces.

It's like if the West Coast got nuked and the Mormon church was the only institution left that could dispense charity and organise urban life. Pretty quickly that religion would take over too.

>>19199478
that new vegas dlc was a lot of fun

>>19199478
>It's like if the West Coast got nuked and the Mormon church was the only institution left that could dispense charity and organise urban life. Pretty quickly that religion would take over too.
If only

I think I sit in the middle ground of this pagan v Christianity debate.
I’m not atheist, or fully religious, but I identify more with my European pagan roots and find it the most interesting, but I also understand that without the Christian brothers many of the great works of Norse and Anglo mythology would have been lost, so I feel I owe a debt of gratitude to their efforts in preserving these.
Maybe one day I’ll end up following Christianity more closely like my ancestors…Tolkien would be my main inspiration for this

>>19199570
Christianity was also originally a pagan religion. YHWH is a Canaanite sky/war deity.

>>19199570
>muh roots
>just something from a textbook that isn't lived or felt by a sizable real-world community that viably reproduces itself
The common thread of all these postmodern religion shoppers, neopagan or trad, is that they are thumbing through the catalog of slain metanarratives for one they like. There's nothing rooted about this.

>>19199621
>There's nothing rooted about this
I think you’re wrong, mate. Sorry

>>19198872
Jews are constantly promoting paganism through tv shows like "Vikings" and "The Last Kingdom". A bunch of queers worshipping trees are no threat to them. That goes for "right wing" pagans like Greg Johnson (pro-vax homosexual), Varg (welfare queen, pro-trukish immigration) and Richard Spencer (fag-enabling pro-vax glownigger).

>>19199570
This is how I see it: I was born in my country and I was raised on its soil. Of the things I have made mine, those I love are undeniably born of Christianity. As the earth breaks apart around me I cling to these Christian roots because I believe in them the most. Perhaps there are other trees with strong roots but this is the closest to my heart.

>>19199728
Then what are your "European pagan roots"? Are you from rural Iceland or Lithuania? Or has every ancestor been Christian for the last 1500 years? You can believe what you want, but appealing to roots where there are none as your justification is more of a larp than actually believing in whatever the religion is

>>19199746
dancingrainbowpasters.webm

Why would a God who is the creator of all things, demand to be worshipped by humans? That seems kind of cringe for the master of all that ever was, is, or will ever be.

I think a general reverence for what one calls 'God' is a good thing and I have it myself. But the religious doctrines that insist things have to be done in this way or that way just don't resonate with me. Even if the doctrines were real they have been obscured and bastardized by thousands of years of re-writing, translation, and hearsay by humans. How can we trust them?

At the same time I do believe in a set of 'divine morals' and that if you stray from them you get Jewishness and degeneracy - but I just don't know how they can be defined. I can't write them down myself because I am as little qualified to do so as probably the people who wrote the Bible.

>>19199810
Start with the Ethics

>>19199746
But neither Vikings nor The Last Kingdom paint Asatru in a good light. I don't see what your crush on varg has to do with this.

>>19199771
Well, going to graveyards and talking to your ancestors is a start. But then, you don't know where your grandparents are buried, let alone anyone past them. I do, of course. Have fun at your traditionalist sedevacantist latin mass (formulated in the 20th century), I guess.

>>19199904
Oh fuck off you stupid larper, do you even know what Varg said about this?

>>19199904
>i know where grandpa's buried you're just a tradcath
Take your meds schizo. My point is that no one raised you pagan, which appears correct since you've not said otherwise. But neither were any of /lit/'s tradcaths raised as devout catholics.

>>19199746
glow harder

lots of pagan cope itt
might is right, r-right? fucking deal with it lmfao

>>19199914
>>19199992
No, and I don't particularly care what Varg thinks. If you're so concerned with Varg's opinion, why don't you go suck his dick on twitter?

>>19200179
Might Is Right is arguing for Christian Anarcho Communism, it has nothing to do with European polytheism, European polytheists did not argue for any kind of survival of the fittest ethical system.

>>19199793
A few tiktok fags pale in comparison to the masses of pozzed pagans.
>>19200133
Pagans are the glowniggers, anon.

>>19200361
>oh yeah? well a bunch of wiccans donated to a muslim charity, therefore you shouldn't read plato!
i didnt know rod dreher was on here lmfao

>>19200361
They're only giving aid to their "enemies," as you might see it, because they are indeed spiritually Christian despite calling themselves "wiccans" or whatever jesus-but-female theology they've invented

>>19196044
Malacath is literally a poop god you degenerate

>>19199304
Which virile European religions? If the roles where reversed i doubt that paganism would be immune to the current modern ideology if not more since faggotry and overall degenerecy was promoted in those religions

>>19200611
It's time to take the shitpill and fertilize the world

>>19199596
Hasnt that been debunked or pagans having their twisted version of YHWH or praying to him alongside other gods doesnt disprove christianity

>>19196001
Now you'll say the same thing about Christianity losing its grip on the west, that the most distant form of a spiritual entity is scientific rational causality itself, and that fake Christians (the majority of them) will only not jump ship as Rationalism doesn't claim itself in religious terms (despite clearly abiding by them in its more uneducated followers)

>>19200709
>the bible has been debunked
That's a strong opinion there.

Gods don't exist and I think the true path now is towards the Sinicization of Marxism which is combining scientific rationality with a sort of like Zen / Wang Yangming-style Neo-Confucianism, wherein by doing everyday tasks, you are meditating and thus achieving enlightenment. Or in other words, "The Secular Is Sacred," as a certain book on Confucianism is titled. Paper-pushing to develop socialism is thus not merely a secular, rational activity, but something transcendental.

It's interesting to note that in Peter Hessler's time in the Peace Corps, he has an actual Chinese Communist Party member saying that their belief in the Party and in Marxism is a type of faith. That's to say, Marxism, despite all its claims to being scientific, is actually regarded as a sort of religion in China, probably in the Kierkegaardian sense (faith is an act of will). But Confucianism is a mostly secular social ideology anyways and goes as far, in its later stages, to deny the existence of a soul, and often tries to give purely secular actions a religious or spiritual element. That is to say, everyday actions, including those that build socialism, are now transcendent.

You guys have fun with your poop gods.

https://youtu.be/9wPq0M_T8JQ?t=79

>>19199570
> I also understand that without the Christian brothers many of the great works of Norse and Anglo mythology would have been lost
if it wasnt for those christian brothers those pagan religions might still be alive anon

You can’t see shit with your nigger reading skills.

>>19196001
You're beyond stupid. The gods of the iron age were really always attempts to understand and control the world with symbolic language. Vulcan was fire, Hades was death, Poseidon was water, Zeus was sky and thunder, etc. These things were important to understand and master for early iron age and late bronze age civilization.

The gods simply became irrelevant; the concepts that underpinned their worship ceased to be myth and became knowledge as the Romans engaged with their world and their philosophies.

In such a world, the only real choice of worship was between the imperial cult, i.e. the emperor's cult of personality, or to choose a personal God in the form of Jesus Christ. You shouldn't be surprised that people chose Jesus rather than emperor. It's basically what you think you're doing, since you've decided that Christianity is for boomer zogbots who worship the government indirectly.

But make no mistake, paganism was really a naturalistic myth with no dogmas, no beliefs, and no political voice. But authentic paganism (whatever that means) was dead circa the rebellion of Boudica in 75AD. Most of what followed between then and Christianization was just atheism in the guise of worshiping the emperor, which is basically as close as history has ever come to looking like the plot of Warhammer 40k

>>19196001
That's what you got from that book?
I read it and thought it was shockingly similar to the social justice takeover of the white world today. The pagans got slowly boiled by the Christians in powerful positions and never noticed what was coming until it was too late.

>>19199570
>without the Christian brothers many of the great works of Norse and Anglo mythology would have been lost, so I feel I owe a debt of gratitude to their efforts in preserving these.
They also attempted to completely destroy them. That's like thanking an arsonist for putting out the fire he started.

>>19200898
chapo should have this guy as a guest so they can get more ccp money laundered through patreon

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>>19200384
Plato wanted nothing to do with your faggy Greek gods either, you retard.
>>19200451
>It doesn't count because...IT JUST DOOESN'T OKAY!

>>19199810
>using "cringe as an adjective"
>general sophistry
You're just another midwit trying to explain himself out of Christian morality. God gave us the gift of rationality, his image, so that we may recognize our likeness to him and grow greater by fastening ourselves to be more like him
>>19199882
Spinoza was a jew and his philosophy inspired the freemasons and created this gay modernity which blights us.

>>19201011
>trite XVIII century concoctions
How enlightened of you.

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>>19201974
>tranny server
No thanks

>>19201759

>>19196001
I haven't read that book but my perception of Christianity and what went down is very similar. Christianity and Islam both are highly streamlined and simplified religions for the masses. I also think the religions are born out of the particular conditions of overcrowded societies ruled through Asiatic despotism. This as opposed to polytheistic Paganism of the Indo-Europeans that mirrored their decentralized social organization of many clans and patriarchs.

>>19201982
Meanwhile...

How can I reconcile Christianity with my white nationalism?

I've seen many a Christian try to cope their way out of this; Jesus was white, whites are the real tribes of Israel etc. But none of it seems really grounded in the Bible.

I really can't follow a religion that allows negroes to breed with my women and live near me.

>>19202000

>>19202016
>>19202039

>>19202016
You can't.
That said, Christ said very little that wasn't also said in some form in another Indo-European religion.

I see we have reached the part were retards post screenshots at each other.

>>19196001
Your analysis is destroyed by just acknowledging the cult of saints and relics.

>>19196006
quality over quantity maybe.

>>19196339
Based. Those pagan "gods" have no power.

>>19196001
Christianity is simply better for poorfag peasants and other sufferers. Paganism is mainly a practical religion, give shit to the gods and the gods will give back. Christianity just usurps this position by promising infinite bliss for nothing. You want jupiters favor, you have to sacrifice a white bull, but jesus just wants you to believe, and whatever Jupiter was going to give you pales in comparison to heaven. Christians shouldn't really be bragging about the defeat of the pagans, because they assume it has to do with philosophical superiority when it's really just a better deal.

>>19203143
>white genocide is ok if a Jewish god promises us goodies for doing it

>>19203370
He is who He is.

>>19203383
That doesn't mean anything but ok

>>19203389
It means what it is, that He is God, the real God.

>>19203406
That has nothing to do with how you morons act "based" or whatever and then clap your hands for killing native European cultures because you liked a Hebrew god instead

>>19203426
He is The God

>>19203429
Whatever faggot, Varg was right, we should go back to burning your churches. The way you have been losing popularity in the west it looks like things might come full circle for your golem religion.

>>19203470
>Varg was right
Heh

>>19196001
I still want paganism back, not universalist abrahamics.

I love how anti-pagan shills always cherry-pick some globohomo faggots who know nothing of the way old Europeans lived, of history, or of anything really. And use them as proof that all of paganism is some gay larp for homos.

>>19196029
>top 5 Gods, plz list 'em
Azathoth, Yog-Sothoth, Shub-Niggurath, Nyarlathotep, Cthulhu

>>19204811
and what do you know other than fiction? there isn't a single coherent pagan tradition left. talk about larping

>>19205283
>>19204811
and top fucking lmfao imagine posting the black sun!!!

>>19205283
Who cares about "traditions" that are independent of the people who practice them? The Gods are real. That's all there is to it. You don't need some council of Rabbi's to tell you what they want, you can just go ask them.

>>19205283
>there isn't a single coherent pagan tradition left
Because Christians intentionally destroyed them.
It should be no surprise, now that Christianity is a weak religion, that young white people want to return to something with a real sense of connection to something genuinely European.
That's the nice thing about an ancestral religion you have an actual biological connection to. It remains uniquely yours even if the vast majority of its practitioners were killed. The same won't be true once Christianity dies in the west.

>>19205283
That's like saying you're holding people hostage because you destroyed all the other European cultures so they have no religious alternative except Christianity. Now that Christianity is on the decline and it's associated with this shitty dying civilisation, it shouldn't be surprising some young people want to go back to something much earlier.

>>19204811
>I love how anti-pagan shills always cherry-pick some globohomo faggots who know nothing of the way old Europeans lived, of history, or of anything really. And use them as proof that all of paganism is some gay larp for homos.
Huh, sounds familiar.

>>19205283
Almost no "pagans" currently existing here actually believe in "the Gods", they're all just political reactions against Christianity that map rather neatly onto the general trajectory of postwar left-right politics, which I view as a collection of novel moral strictures surrounding victimhood - following the moral revelation at Nuremburg, who gets to be a victim and how are victims to be treated?

The former (leftists) are the autoimmune reaction of Christendom to fascism and think Christianity didn't go far enough in its defense of victims which must make it false (this is how you get Antiracist "pagans" lol). The latter's fundamental aim is the de-Christianization of society whether they know it or not, as they hate the very idea of concern for victims, so it's natural that they would see appeal in pre-Christian tradition.

>>19205887
>autoimmune reaction of Christendom to itself following Fascism
Fixed

>>19205344
>you can just go ask them
and what response do you get? take your meds.

>>19205836
pagans destroyed other pagan religions also.

>>19196339
>Pagan cope. Your dog fucking demon 'gods' were exterminated. And rightfully so.

>>19205836
>He mapped onto the modern idea of the nation that formed in A pretty christianesque Europe of the 1700s and 1800s who conquered and did kind of a lot of "Strong religion" shit
Even then they would call Zeus Odin or whatever. Im not saying there werent regional, identies like some pozzed, but we know that historically, places like the Mediterranean would synchronize their gods and religions with other civilizations (think greeks with romans, or greeks with egyptians), if anything, Abrahamic religions are particularly insular.
> an ancestral religion you have an actual biological connection to.
You mean like that one most people in Europe have about a 1000+ years of biological and historical connection to? and the one that has particular national elements to them?

>>19205836
>an ancestral religion you have an actual biological connection to. It remains uniquely yours
So it’s literally just relativism based on ‘muh people’

>>19205887
>Almost no "pagans" currently existing here actually believe in "the Gods", they're all just political reactions against Christianity
Basically what I have discovered myself in my attempts to argue against them from time to time. They have no concern for whether Christianity is true, they have a twisted picture of it, and they reject it because it doesn’t fit with their political agenda. Indeed, paganism is nothing more than an aesthetic they assume to give some extra depth (ultimately hollow) to their politics. Beneath all the rhetoric of ‘ancestors’ and ‘gods’ is just areligious nationalist politics combined with a burning hatred of Jesus Christ

>>19206002
>You mean like that one most people in Europe have about a 1000+ years of biological and historical connection to? and the one that has particular national elements to them
No not at all, since Christianity is explicitly not connected to a group of people. Unless we're talking about the Hebrews. That's like saying you have a biological connection to monarchy or something. It's a formal system which can be given to any group of people. What's more is the parts of Christianity most European people admire is often the parts which fused with the old pagan mythology anyway, like the art inspired by Greek myth.
What I think is actually attracting people to paganism is something kind of Jungian in the sense that the archetypes certain gods like Odin offer meet the needs that Christianity simply does not.
Put this way, what do young white guys on 4chan most feel is under attack? For a lot of them, probably their racial identity is near the top. Christianity teaches that this is not important, and your service to God is what matters. Some zoomers try and twist it to excuse their own desire to be racist, but everyone knows those are larpers. So Christianity doesn't meet that need.
The other thing people feel is missing is some spiritual meaning. So you put 2 and 2 together and you get people drawn to ethnic religions. Ancient European paganism seems to fill this niche in a way that Christianity simply can't. It has the added bonus of actually expressing a kind of morality which is completely taboo nowadays, which young people always like. So these pagan religions have met nearly ideal conditions for the beginning of a revival.
>>19206029
To some extent. But all religions can be criticised like this. They aren't factual.

>>19206083
>Beneath all the rhetoric of ‘ancestors’ and ‘gods’ is just areligious nationalist politics combined with a burning hatred of Jesus Christ
I think it's more accurate to say they hate Christians a lot more than they hate Jesus. 4chan has been "home" to a particularly insufferable kind of Christian since 2016.

>>19206086
>To some extent. But all religions can be criticised like this. They aren't factual.
The pagan reveals himself to be an atheist yet again

>>19206108
I'm not a pagan or Christian. You know "anon" isn't one poster right?

>>19196012
young pope season 1 was kino

>>19206094
It’s sort of both. The talk about a ‘Jew on a stick’ and certain types of rhetoric is common from these people, as is calling Jesus’ mother a whore, or saying that Jesus is teaching ‘slave morality’ and other similar Nietzschean critiques of him. You’re right though that the influx of boomers has brought in some cancerous people though

>trads arguing with each other over whether paganism or christianity is the based and redpilled religion
Kek. This is why everyone considers you a laughingstock.

>>19206119
That’s just my mistake then. Sorry

>>19206123
Yeah, fair enough, but I often feel this is more intended to actually offend the poster behind the screen rather than being an actual attack on Jesus. I always felt it was more a "you're not welcome" type of post rather than something completely serious. Most religions actually have similar teachings to a lot of what Jesus said anyway.

>>19206136
>but I often feel this is more intended to actually offend the poster behind the screen rather than being an actual attack on Jesus
That’s definitely true. I think again it’s a mixture of both, though it of course varies from poster to poster; it can be hard to get the exact intent from posters here sometimes.
>Most religions actually have similar teachings to a lot of what Jesus said anyway.
Which is still problematic to nationalists who co-opt pagan beliefs to push their politics. Many of them hate anything with universal implications because it includes non-Whites in the religion in some way. Christian values of charity, the golden rule, criticism of worldly attitudes, etc. are all foreign to these people, at least from the more extreme ones. From my interactions, it is usually some sort of Ragnar Redbeard-esque, Nietzchean or just National Socialism with a pseudo-spiritual coat of paint that these people have. I might be generalizing a little bit but I’ve read a lot of their stuff over time and went from vaguely sympathetic to very off-put, especially after I began to actually seriously search for truth

>>19206094
>4chan has been "home" to a particularly insufferable kind of Christian since 2016.
That's also just a reaction to left-wing politics though, see >>19205887
For most 4chan Christians Christianity is little more than sexual morality insofar as it is seen as being against uninhibited female sexuality or against gays/transexuals, or somehow perceived as "conservative" - but the basic thrust of it is basically a giant "FUCK OFF" to the new moral revelation painting the aforementioned groups as victims of white men. So, in a way, it is spiritually anti-Christian even though it is upholding formal Christian doctrine - but this is just another example of how much of a zombie faith Western Christianity is at this point. This sort of e-theism will die out soon as the left consolidates more power in the next few years and we'll probably see the Right come out as more explicitly anti-Christian and explicitly blame the legacy of Christianity for society's ills like leftists do.

This is not a defense of transexuals or what have you, I'm just making a point about the underlying motivations of the people you're describing.

>>19206161
Worldly attitudes yes, but I disagree with the charity and the golden rule thing. This is older than Christianity. In fact from memory I think this comes up in most of the major Indo-European religions where a god appears as a human, typically a stranger or a beggar, and a person is tested by their interactions with them. I believe that comes from the Indo-European Wodanaz. Then again, 4chan pagans are probably largely unaware of that, who knows? This also comes up in Hinduism which very closely corresponds to the Norse myths.
>National Socialism with a pseudo-spiritual coat of paint that these people have
I think most 4chan pagans seem to really be esoteric Hitlerists.

>Irish Roman Catholicism laughing in Halloween

>>19204811
>posting le black anus
Cringe

>>19206198
Even the "esoteric Hitlerism" bit is mostly trolling, it's the current year equivalent of the Piss Christ or Charlie Hebdo. They (correctly) identify the moral center of society as remembrance of the Holocaust and other "lesser Holocausts" like American slavery, colonialism etc. and view it with disdain (and rightly so because it's rapidly evolving into "math is racist lol"). The most obvious way to mock this faith is with... esoteric Hitler memes.

>>19206216
How infantile.

>>19206216
The esoteric Hitlerism thing is sort of "trolling" when you're talking about hyperborea memes and shit, but there are also quite distinct anons who have been at it for years and are pretty clearly serious devotees.

>>19206242
Goodrick-Clark has a couple of good books on this subject, i.e. books written before 2015

>>19206216
>Even the "esoteric Hitlerism" bit is mostly trolling
It’s not though. Some of these people devote inordinate amounts of time to it

>>19206249
Yeah I know, I was a big fan lol
But he probably wrote the second book a few years too early to really see esoteric Hitlerism take off.

>>19206242
>>19206255
Some people are schizos who take the memes a bit too seriously. There are far mirror-images of said people who take Communism just as seriously but that's viewed as fine - at least they fought HITLER!!! But this just shows how transfixed by Hitler society still is.

>>19206261
When has it ever really taken off? I know there's some glowies who converted to islamohitlerism and shot one another for being gay but that's if anything a parody of Savitri or Serrano's thought. Maybe there are some ESL swarthoids keeping that autistic flame buring in Brazil or Chile or Argentina

>>19206279
It’s just weirdos on more obscure imageboards who circlejerk over this stuff all day. It has little to no influence IRL. We all know these people don’t go around declare they are ‘Esoteri Hitlerists’

>>19206290
It's a form of otaku behavior really. So many tourists here don't understand what this place replicates

>>19206279
I'm saying it took off relative to when those books were written. Had he written Black Sun a few years later (and not died) he'd have been able to see how the internet really reinvigorated Serrano in a way it really hadn't before. At the time he wrote those books, he would not likely have been able to just open up cripplechan or telegram and see people with actual altars to Hitler

>>19206086
Yah, I think you are kind of stretching and I think you are seeing more conversions than there actually are. I really dont feel like there is much of any serious trend towards paganism, at least not one that is more promenent than "trad-cath" or whatever.


And churches can be ethnic and historical often was. You can have a polish form of Catholicism, or Norwegian Lutheranism etc. The Amish are pretty well culturally insular. I think you are making to much of a delineation. I agree that christianty does not tend to explicitly form ethnic in-out groups, that is usually left to particular cultures in synchronism. Like the Scotish identity is rather thoroughly christian, but there is clans and families and whatnot. You can (and historically have) have universalist religions with ethnic identities. Having an absolute and a particular. Hell the great pushes of nation making in the 1800s had this synchronization with usually Christian churches. I think you are being myopic and looking for an excuse rather than religiosity proper.

also, what about my whole comment about paganism being historically syncretic with other cultures?

>>19206083
>They have no concern for whether Christianity is true, they have a twisted picture of it, and they reject it because it doesn’t fit with their political agenda. Indeed, paganism is nothing more than an aesthetic they assume to give some extra depth (ultimately hollow) to their politics.
Enough about imageboard christians

>>19206401
I'll be honest, I didn't even know what point you were trying to make.
Of course there is no "serious" trend towards paganism. The point is only that it is on an upswing because of very specific reasons which draw young white people to it right now in this place and time, whereas Christianity is in a very definite decline, paganism is filling a particular niche that Christianity can't, and the pagans nowadays tend to be more Jungian than literally religious.

>>19206346
I imagine that would have ruined the book and feel fortunate to have read it in its original timeline.

>>19206432
>The point is only that it is on an upswing because of very specific reasons which draw young white people to it right now in this place and time, whereas Christianity is in a very definite declin
yes, but I am saying that very demographic with those same reasons in question is also being attracted to Christianity. I really dont think neo-christians and neo-pagans are of that different of a cloth in the reactionary sense or that pagans are attracting substantially more. Paganism in ascent and christianity in decline can only be seen through the lense of paganism being a volitile small market to begin with and christianity a massive one. so a 100 new neo-pagans to a comunity make more of a relitive impact than 100 new tradcath zoomers does in the flock of 2 billion regular christians. you get my bent? Its not a particularly pagan thing atm.

>whereas Christianity is in a very definite decline, paganism is filling a particular niche that Christianity can't, and the pagans nowadays tend to be more Jungian than literally religious.
Then Id wager thats a jungian collective consciousness trend rather than a solely pagan one and I would ascribe neo-cons, or tradcath zoomers or whatever you want to call them in the same general catagory.

>>19206507
>yes, but I am saying that very demographic with those same reasons in question is also being attracted to Christianity
It isn't, though. It's in a massive decline. Churches are hemorrhaging members. Near me the people there are mostly old people near death.
>Paganism in ascent and christianity in decline can only be seen through the lense of paganism being a volitile small market to begin with and christianity a massive one
Yes, that's what I said about it not being a "serious" thing. You're not at the stage where you actually have pagan neighbourhoods. I never said that. But it is growing, while Christianity is in a terrible place.
>neocons and zoomer tradcaths in the same category
They satisfy entirely different niches. Especially neocons.

>>19206567
>It isn't, though. It's in a massive decline. Churches are hemorrhaging members. Near me the people there are mostly old people near death.
You think tradcaths go to church?
>Yes, that's what I said about it not being a "serious" thing. You're not at the stage where you actually have pagan neighbourhoods. I never said that. But it is growing, while Christianity is in a terrible place.
you are missing my point here. Im not talking about the oldfucks who are already christian, I am saying you will not notice the uptick in young christians due to the amount of christians already there. I think its "growth" can be entirely accounted for in the same catagory as the neo-christians or whathaveyou.
>They satisfy entirely different niches. Especially neocons.
I would disagree, I would say they are part of a wider cultural zeitgeist.


ANd just on a more implicit level, I think its really hard for a culture to seriously return from an absolutist religion to a regional one implicitly. Keith woods has a good video on that subject. I think a more effective way to go about it is to focus on "Germanness" or "irishness" etc. A gestalt of a people's experience.

monotheism is a lie and exists solely to establish authoritarianism in every aspect of the slave-followers' lives

how would you even suppose to deduce that there is only one god?
all I've seen are literally retarded circular explanations, usually dressed up in jargon to try to obscure the total lack of reasoning

face the truth - christianity is a jewish device to enslave europe and it was used to breed dysgenic retard zombies that instinctually defer to authority - there is absolutely nothing to lose while these demonic creatures exist and are considered human, we are literally in hell be tortured to death slowly over millenia.

face the solution - collapse european society at any cost and let chaos select those worthy to live.
this is much easier than it sounds to a slave retard like you, this pile of jewish shit society is leveraged every which way and the right strikes will cause dominos to fall all over

>>19206637
>You think tradcaths go to church?
That's fair, I haven't seen any evidence they do anything irl. I may be biased because of where I live, but I've actually seen small pagan groups irl which are larger than any tradcath gathering I've seen not named /pol/.
>uptick in young christians
Oh right, now I get what you mean. I just haven't seen that, I may be wrong though. I was under the impression that was a terrible demographic for christianity.
>on a more implicit level, I think its really hard for a culture to seriously return from an absolutist religion to a regional one implicitly
I agree. This isn't something I think is happening on a large scale. I think it's coming as part of the massive amount of discontent fractures the dominant culture into smaller groups. In a way they're a lot like the new age movement was.

/Ar5FndTkJM
Polytheism server, no stormfags.

>>19196001
This doesn't work. The elite of pagan society were already practicing mystery religions so your entire premise is flawed. Indeed, paganism did bifurcate into two camps - the initiated and the vulgar - and Christianity still managed to overcome both.

>>19207294
This ignores both the argument from contingency and the euthyphro dilemma. If the gods are perfect, why do they differ as to their inclinations and morality? If the gods do not possess the same, perfect inclination and morality - why call them gods?

The gods are arbitrary whereas God is constant; the gods care about what we give them whereas God cares about how we behave towards one another; the gods seek to use us whereas God seeks to co-operate with us. This is why paganism fell to Christianity ultimately.

>>19207727
you throw up jargon like a squid throws up ink
nothing you say has any meaning and you don't even try to give it any

your ideal of "perfect" is twisted schizophrenically to mean "one and only"

this is why you all have to be killed, your brains are piles of wires shortcircuiting because they're swimming in liquid feces

>>19199370
Marx was an anti-christian Satanist, you retard. Spinoza laid the groundwork for the secular judaizing of Europe through deism and freemasonry. You are nothing but a proud goy who serves the jews and condems what they condemn.

>>19210310
>Spinoza laid the groundwork for the secular judaizing of Europe through deism and freemasonry
do you have a summary?

>>19210310
>deism
Belief in a god who ceased to intervene with existence after acting as the cause of the cosmos.
The big bang theory
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges_Lema%C3%AEtre
jesuits were founded by a kike and are always the most kiked of the jewish catholic church

>>19210355
also look at all those faces, they all have jewish blood
they all have bizarre demonic proportions, only cuccinelli looks remotely normal

>>19210310
>>19210346
You seem to be confused; Christianity is thoroughly Hebraic religion. There is nothing to subvert, as you put it. Still walking like a duck.

/Ar5FndTkJM
Polytheism server, no stormfags.

>>19210520
what is a "stormfag"? so you are pacifists? so you deny the essence of humanity is warfare and killing?
you think humans evolved intelligence by sitting on their asses? you deny the evolutionary arms race of intelligence and strategy?

can you please just admit that you're a jew?

>>19210520
>discord
holy shit what a retarded animal you are
discord literally deanonymizes everyone who uses it and bans anyone who has actual intelligence

>>19210604
Not to defend discordfags or anything, but it could be—and hear me out, I know this is totally nuts—that some people are more interested in religion and culture than posturing about what political system they think should replace the current one in a post-apocalyptic free-for-all power fantasy where you get to rewrite history from your basement.

>>19210520
>6. Users who endorse either "progressive" paganism or ethnonationalist folkish paganism are banned on sight as they are not respecting the core tenets of their faiths and are therefore classified as race/gender/identity idolaters.
>race/gender/identity idolaters
holy shit
discord is truly nothing but trannies and kikes

>>19210631
This
>>19210604
Back to your containment board /pol/tranny

>>19210631
>hear me out
stopped reading right there

>>19210663
>people are more devoted to their faith than their stupid identity
The horror!

>>19210665
>>19210631
you know you stay in your discord because you have zero intelligence or fortitude, you worship big tech as your One God so it excludes everyone who could possibly upset your shattered retarded mind.
stop trying to venture out, stay in your prison where you belong and wait for death

and stop samefagging

>>19210604
hello 17yo midwit

>>19210682
please admit you're not white right now

you will never be white, you will never be as good as a white person
your entire life is larping as white begging to be included in white social groups, but we're just going to kill all of you you know

>>19210683
You need to seek help, ideological bullshit has fried your brain

>>19210690
>>19210694
why are you monotheist? why do you worship big tech as God?

>>19210693
I don't have nigger genes unlike the retarded amerimutt I'm replying to.

>>19210703
the average ashkenazi jew has 5% subsaharan african admixture, so actually you do

>>19210666
Don't listen to this poster, he is satan.
>>19210683
I'm not the discordfag. I'm just making an observation. If you hate tech stop using this website.
>>19210693
You won't do shit and your taxes will pay for his kids to get credentialed as overseers of distribution of resources to themselves.

>>19210520
>>19210665
>>19210682
>>19210694
>>19210703
>shilling for an antiracist discord tranny containment zone
>starts bragging about not being a nigger

also amazing how the kike mods were so quickly attracted to the little burst in posting and moved to censor the link

what a fucking shithole this is

>>19210746
Literally just trannies and bots throwing shit at each other.

>>19199771
I live in northern Europe and still experience a clear connection to our traditional religiom. My grandfather routinely blesses our fishing nets with the symbol of the sun. An old lady in the village helped us come to agreement with the spirit that was haunting my uncle's home. When we continue to live as we used to, in the extent that it is possible, we do not lose our old ways.

>>19206086
>So these pagan religions have met nearly ideal conditions for the beginning of a revival.

Nearly ideal conditions, save for one thing: The great god Pan is dead.
>During the reign of Tiberius (AD 14–37), the news of Pan's death came to one Thamus, a sailor on his way to Italy by way of the island of Paxi. A divine voice hailed him across the salt water, "Thamus, are you there? When you reach Palodes, take care to proclaim that the great god Pan is dead." Which Thamus did, and the news was greeted from shore with groans and laments.

You can't breathe life into something that's dead, and paganism is dead subsequent to a certain event during the reign of Tiberius.

>>19211426
Strangely, that didn't stop people worshiping Pan in antiquity, it didn't stop them worshiping him in the Middle Ages, and it doesn't stop them from worshiping him now. But then, you'd know not to trust some random sailor if you'd read Homer.

>>19211426
The Christian god has been dead for centuries but that hardly stopped anyone.
Also kek at the idea that anecdote actually means anything.

>Starts a monologue
Bro; no time.

>>19210604
>so you deny the essence of humanity is warfare and killing?
This is what a jew would think.

>>19196001
christianity is a religion for cvckholds

>>19199291

Super wrong. No evidence for any pagan tradition that has something to do with eggs and rabbits has EVER BEEN FOUND. And never will be because the Catholic Church (despite Protestant lies) was always zealous in denouncing the adoption of pagan practises.

> The hare was a popular motif in medieval church art. In ancient times, it was widely believed (as by Pliny, Plutarch, Philostratus, and Aelian) that the hare was a hermaphrodite. The idea that a hare could reproduce without loss of virginity led to an association with the Virgin Mary, with hares sometimes occurring in illuminated manuscripts and Northern European paintings of the Virgin and Christ Child. It may also have been associated with the Holy Trinity, as in the three hares motif.

And

> Eggs became a symbol in Christianity associated with rebirth as early as the 1st century AD, via the iconography of the Phoenix egg, and they became associated with Easter specifically in medieval Europe, when eating them was prohibited during the fast of Lent. A common practice in England at that time was for children to go door-to-door begging for eggs on the Saturday before Lent began. People handed out eggs as special treats for children prior to their fast

>>19201403
Did you know till this day no one can point to one single source of evidence that explicitly says Christians deliberately burnt pagan works like the Iliad or Plato?

All the sources say Christians targeted three things:
> Anti-Christian polemics like those written by Celsus (which have primarily survived through the refutations that Christians wrote)
> heretical texts (like gospel of Thomas and others)
> magical texts that taught readers magical tricks (many of which have still survived, but no one reads since they’re extremely are shit)

Christians in the eastern empire even preserved over 1000 pages of Emperor Julian’s writings despite him being anti-Christian. The only work of Julian that naturally did not survive was of course his anti-Christian polemic (against the Galileans). It has survived only partially through refutations Christians wrote against it.

I mean just consider this fact

> Martin Scorsese's Film Foundation claims that "half of all American films made before 1950 and over 90% of films made before 1929 are lost forever." Deutsche Kinemathek estimates that 80–90% of silent films are gone; the film archive's own list contains over 3,500 lost films.

If people in the modern day could not save 90% of films for more than century than how does one expect Christians to save every book for over a thousand years?

But it’s still amazing how much has survived when one looks to read Greek and Roman works despite having to preserve it for a thousands years. Christians really nowhere near as evil as paganoids would like you to believe.

Also lots of Anglo works were destroyed by pagan Vikings (who people constantly praise), not Christians

> Details about Rædwald's reign are scarce, primarily because the Viking invasions of the 9th century destroyed the monasteries in East Anglia where many documents would have been kept.

>>19198928
The formal is real and tangible unlike the latter. Kill all christcucks.

>>19213397
>day is literally named after an Anglo-Saxon Goddess
lol

>>19213487
>Did you know till this day no one can point to one single source of evidence that explicitly says Christians deliberately burnt pagan works
Cyril's commentaries on Contra Galileos disagree.

>>19214009
Only in English (and even then the existence of a goddess called Easter is seriously doubted by historians since there’s only one source referring to her. She is referred to nowhere else in Germanic or Norse mythology). Easter is literally called Passover in Greek and in other languages. It was celebrated by Christians since the first century AD. Long before a bunch of savage barbarians converted to Christianity. And the association of rabbits to it can be traced all the way back to first century AD. The eggs come later and were associated with fasting and lent (something pagans don’t and is a solely Christian thing).

And no Cyril doesn’t say that. Like I said, no matter how hard people try they will not find one source for it.

https://historyforatheists.com/2020/03/the-great-myths-8-the-loss-of-ancient-learning/

But you know did burn stuff like that? The pagan Diocletian. And he did a good job too.

> James Partington’s 1957 book entitled, A Short History of Chemistry. In this book, Partington explains that little is known today about ancient chemistry because much of what was written down did not survive antiquity. He says that the word “Chemistry” first appeared in a Roman edict by Diocletian in which all books of the Egyptians in Alexandria on the topic of chemeia are ordered to be burnt.

> “Diocletian sought out and burned books about this. [It is said] that due to the Egyptians' revolting behavior Diocletian treated them harshly and murderously. After seeking out the books written by the ancient [Egyptians] concerning the alchemy of gold and silver, he burned them so that the Egyptians would no longer have wealth from such a technique, nor would their surfeit of money in the future embolden them against the Romans.”

>>19196001
>Worshipping a single God who would rain down fire and brimstone on its folluwers appeals far more to the ignorant masses than a wide range of Gods who cooperated with humanity on a spiritual and physical level. The fall of paganism is an undeniable proof that the populace prefers to be dominated by a wrathful and distant God, and the Gods as infinitely wise as they are chose to do away with these fake believers, while only the top percentage of philosophers stuck to their ancestral faith until the end.
I thought it was the Christian God who was meek and mericful? Now hes actually the evil and violent one? Kek make up your minds pagans.

>>19196316
christianity was a greek psyop to regain influence, not roman. after christianity, rome fell, but constantinople lasted another 1000 years.

>>19196001
>Worshipping a single God
Catholicism is just Paganism in new garb. Zeus/Jupiter had been simply the God for centuries, and the whole family of Mary, Saints, and Martyrs are the lesser gods continually pleading or accusing at the court of Olympus

The only reason Christianity became a thing was the eagerness to convert petty warlords, who needed a different insignia, and the fact that Christ hang from a tree like Odin

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>>19199175
one day you gonna realise progression ends at a 'dead' ;) ;) end moron.