/lit/ - Literature

>>19192160
Nietzsche is just modern Gorgias or Protagoras.

>get EVERYTHING right
He contracted himself many times and his own life didn't play out how it should have according to his philosophy. No one's life ever has, so his predictions about how the strong individual would overcome and create new values have never proven true. That said he's very good. You have to accept the problems as part of it all and read beneath the lines to get what it's really about.
Biggest contradiction:
>Affirm life!
but also
>Overcome life!
It's one or the other N my man, this was never resolved.

>>19192269
>his predictions about how the strong individual would overcome and create new values have never proven true
For you

I like Jesus better

>>19192160
Right about what exactly? He adopts a post-truth worldview from Heraclitus and just writes a bunch of semantic aforisms as criticisms to dogma in his time. You can agree with these or not, but what exactly was he "right" about?

>>19192160
lol he created a narrative just like the religious people, but since you and him are atheists, you don't call this a religion, but an ''''''''''''''''''''''''ideaology''''''''''''''''''''''''''''

>>19192421
Even your "religion" is mere ideology at this point. Look at how people use religion here for instance, merely as a bludgeon against those they dislike. "I'm an x because I hate a, b, and c! X is so based and redpilled because it is against those"

>>19192421
Nietzsche made fun of grand narratives. As usual, anti-Nietzscheans don’t read Nietzsche

>>19192160
Nietzsche was right about one thing: people want to read cool-sounding aphorisms, not philosophy.

>Gets a disease from some whore
>LARPs as a jew
>hates his own race
>Wants to live in Africa like a nigger
WOW HE GOT EVERYTHING RIGHT #YOLO!

>>19192437
What other discourse is encouraged on this faggot board?

>>19192526
seething christer

>>19192522
Callicles refuted philosophy over 2,000 years ago in Gorgias. It’s useless and for weaklings. Might is right. Plato knew that his puppet character Socrates couldn’t refute this, so Plato wrote Callicles to be a caricature of a hedonist. Philosophy is almost entirely word-games and pilpul. Nietzsche’s rhetoric and easily-digestible (yet profound) aphorisms are infinitely more powerful than thousands and thousands of pages of pseuds like Hegel, Plato, Kant, Schopenhauer, etc

>>19192535
/lit/ frequently discusses the ontology of being a cute girl

>>19192526
>Gets a disease from some whore
Based and life-affirming. You know he willed to repeat it infinitely in that moment.
>LARPs as a jew
Nietzsche knew the Jews were the master race, as they remain.
>hates his own race
NOT MUH HECKIN RACERINO!! Lol you’re a resentful herd animal
>Wants to live in Africa like a nigger
Niggers are far healthier than sickly Europoids. They have no bad conscious. They are the blond beast of the 21st century, uninhibited. Pure animal instinct. The ultimate affirmation of the will to power

>>19192160
>How, after millennia of philosophy, does this guy just suddenly comes along and get EVERYTHING right?
You have to be over 18 to post here

>>19192541
Yes, it's becoming clear to me that Nietzsche's appeal is that he gives you a reason to feel good about what you were going to do anyway. Thinking critically is hard, spewing ambiguous phrases is easy.

>>19192556
Please be bait

>>19192568
>he thinks you can spew non-ambiguous phrases
ngmi

>>19192586
It's not possible to make a perfectly clear sentence. Nevertheless, it is true when someone reads a sentence which possesses a higher degree of clarity they will be more likely to grasp the intent behind the words, or at least the perceived intent will be closer to the actual intent. Nietzsche, however, chooses his words not to communicate more clearly (how a philosopher writes), but instead for literary effect. This is why he is popular, and why he is utter garbage as a philosopher. If he wrote what he meant, it would be clear that there was precious little substance behind the flowery words.

he umm didnt lol

>>19192526
>Christcucks make up smear campaign about his sex life
>recognizes his lost Polish heritage (making Germans seethe)
>criticizes all races so that they may be improved
>wants to live in Hyperborea because he's based
Anything else?

>>19192556
>>19192536
>>19192636
Typical. Like like him because your undeveloped minds conceive of him as a figure of rebellion. Degenerate coomers falling in line with the jews is why the world is in such decay.

>>19192660
Cool. Got anything valuable to contribute?

>>19192619
>f he wrote what he meant, it would be clear that there was precious little substance behind the flowery words.
If only you would follow your own advice!

>>19192660
>hey speaking of degenerate coomers falling in line with abrahamics, yall mind if I become the most famous christer theologian for a thousand years

>>19192743
Nice projection, faggot. Keep LARPing as a free spirit while you stay at home and coom

>>19192573
Prove it wrong. Crying about Jews is ressentiment. Caring about ‘muh racerino’ is a slave mentality as much as is socialism, and amor fati is purely Nietzschean.

Funny how atheists always fall in line with jews.

>>19192736
I am writing what I mean.

>>19192772
Yes, because Jews aren’t slave moralists like you. Jews are value-creators. They are an active force in the world, while anti-semites are a purely reactive force, animated by ressentiment. The Jew replaces the devil in the mind of the anti-semite. The epitome of evil. And we all know that the notion of ‘evil’ is first born from the hatred of the slave against his master

>>19192769
>Just be a rootless coomer and ignore the hostile group acting against your interests
>>19192787
The Jews very existence is a reaction against Logos, you simping faggot. The Talmud was a reaction to Christ and the Gospels. They have spent 2000 years trying to destroy white Christian civilization.

>>19192763
It's called monasticism and it's certified by God

>>19192797
God is dead

>>19192797
>steal someone else's religion and tack dionysus on to it
>pretend you're really them and that they are evil for not going along with you
the absolute state of christers

>>19192160
>How, after millennia of philosophy, does this guy just suddenly comes along and get EVERYTHING right?
SHUT THE FUCK UP RETARD

What he said was nothing new. Schopenhauer, Stirner, Philipp Mainländer and Julius Bahnsen had already wrote about most of those ideas before he came into the scene and stole their shit.

>>19192800
There's more value in the humble words of a monk than in a diseased maniac like Freddy.
>>19192804
He remains, despite your best efforts.
>>19192811
>Repeat Jews lies against Christ verbatim
>Pretend you aren't a slave
Read "Judaism Discovered" by Michael Hoffman

>>19192814
>didn't read schopenhauer
>didn't read nietzsche
>thinks they're equivalent
You did at least read wikipedia I guess

>>19192822
If they are liars then your entire religion, which contains theirs, is lies. You walk like a duck after all.

Nietzsche absolutely rent-free in the heads of every single Christian on /lit/. It’s pretty pathetic. Pure ressentiment.

>>19192827
"Judaism" is not the religion of the Old Testament. It is a Babylonian imposter.

>>19192838
People like you can't stop running your mouth off about how Freddy "pwned teh xtians" and then act indignant when you get a reply.

>>19192823
>thinks they're equivalent
Where I said that?
He took his aesthetical ideas directly from Schopenhauer and like Schopenhauer called Will-to-Life, he gave it a Stirnerite bend and called it Will-to-Power like Mainländer called it Will-to-Death.

>>19192848
t. pwned christer

>>19192853
Ok so it's not "stolen" if it were stolen the only modification would be who is saying it rather than what is being said. It's all "footnotes to Plato" as Whitehead says

>>19192842
You give your children their names. You worship their god. You read their literature. You follow their laws.

>>19192838
They won't read him either. They just keeping bringing up mental illness, as if that charge couldn't be leveled at any number of their saints or mystics had they been alive in modern times

>>19192865
Yes it is stolen. Stirner was a well known figure in Germany but never mentioned him anywhere in whole work. Philipp Mainländer gave the idea of Death of God yet he stole it and presented like nothing happened. And in return this resentful goblin called names to Mainländer.

>Nietzsche immediately read Die Philosophie der Erlösung in the year it was published, before any review had appeared. The work contributed to his final separation from Schopenhauer's philosophy.[22] In his own works, Nietzsche gave no attention to Mainländer until a decade later, that is, in the second, expanded edition of The Gay Science, the same book in which he had introduced the phrase "God is dead" in the first edition five years prior: "Could one count such dilettantes and old maids as the sickeningly sentimental apostle of virginity, Mainländer, as a genuine German? After all he was probably a Jew – (all Jews become sentimental when they moralize)."[23] It has been suggested that Mainländer was more than a mere influence, and was instead plagiarized.[24][25]

>>19192873
https://archive.org/details/michael-a.-hoffman-judaism-discovered/page/8/mode/2up

>>19192875
No Saint or mystic every demanded that their own nation destroy itself.

>>19192882
Oh no, now he's going to lose his philosophy license

>>19192902
Yes I'm sure the psychotic and delirious members of international religious orders in the middle ages were concerned with upholding the borders of 19th century Germany

>>19192926
More so than a disease-addled philosemite coomer.

>>19192920
No, but the phony academics who circlejerk around him without studying his contemporaries and thus give him all the credit for "cool new" ideas, should.

>>19192882
>Philipp Mainländer gave the idea of Death of God yet he stole it and presented like nothing happened.

No doubt Nietzsche was heavily influenced, but Nietzsche's and Mainlander's "Death of God" refer mainly to different things. Mainlander's is about metaphysics and a sort of pandeism. Nietzsche's is about the eroding of values/morals and nihilism.

>>19192895
I don't care to read your link. If you're trying to say that the people keeping the old covenant today are not the same people who wrote it (whatever that means), that doesn't make you any less of a pretender, since you are pretending you have the superior continuity to theirs. If you believe your continuity is superior, that makes you the real abrahamic all along, and they would be false (this is a distinction they invented after all, to separate themselves from pagans, whose gods, rituals, food, clothing, texts etc. were all declared sinful and false). But that's a moot point to me, because I consider abrahamics and those larping as them to be the same set of people. You are the one who is distinguishing between the two as if I were invested in that difference. As far as I'm concerned, your cries that christers are the real abrahamics is just confirmation of my accusation.

>>19192269
>He contracted himself many times and his own life didn't play out how it should have according to his philosophy.
Wrong. Nietzche was a success and a great man, he knew this from within and said as much even before his work was acknowledged worldwide. This is the worst argument spouted by some of you. The mere fact that we're discussing him and his work still is proof he was successful.
>anime pic
Why am I not surprised?

>>19192947
He's not new and he's not cool. But neither is Aquinas.

>>19192964
>the people keeping the old covenant today
Jews don't keep the old covenant. The Talmud explicitly rejects it.

>>19192985
But your point is that you are the real Hebrew right? You've done what the volcano asked, and they have fallen astray

>>19192959
>is about the eroding of values/morals and nihilism.
Mainländer exactly implied this and declared universe meaningless. So yes this resentful cunt was more than "inspired". Even if he was " just" inspired he should have showed a little respect to a noble philosopher who lived and died by his philosophy, if not as a philosopher but respect towards a dead human being who wasn't even there to defend his position, who never said a word against him. Such lowest of the low behavior from a cunt who wrote many words against resentment is an utter joke to take his words seriously on any matter.

>>19192974
Improve your reading comprehension.

>>19192972
>>19192972
At the end of his life, Nietzsche showed pity for the horse that was being whipped. He was not able to overcome slave morality, that is, pity for others, even animals. Thus he started dying inside because of the absolute size of his self-contradiction.
>The mere fact that we're discussing him and his work still is proof he was successful.
This isn't proof of anything. Ted Kaczynski, the Unabomber, wrote prolifically against technology and only got noticed for his bombing attacks. He was caught and jailed. His work against technology has not achieved anything, since the people in power do not read him. Even if they did, they would still not agree with him. But we still talk about him and his work. Does that make the Unabomber a success? Nietzsche is like the Unabomber in this respect.

Accepting NEECH's premises leads to swallowing the Black Pill. Most people, by definition, follow the herd, and knowing you're a sheep only goes so far for you becoming a non-sheep. The average man is motivated not by the pursuit of power, but that his 40-hour wage slavery will be appreciated by his wife, his family, and his God. Rob that from a man, and his life will not be an experience worth reliving throughout the rest of time.

>>19193045
So the eternal return is about retiring to margaritaville? That's a pretty horrible thing

>>19193040
How is it slave morality to side with a noble animal against some random scummy urbanite?

>>19193073
>NOOOOOOOO NOT MY NOBLE HORSERINOOOOOOO
Nietzsche defending the rape, looting and murder as a quality of "noble" races in Genealogy

>They return to the innocent conscience of the wild beast, as exultant monsters, who perhaps go away having committed a hideous succession of murder, arson, rape and torture, in a mood of bravado and spiritual equilibrium as though they had simply played a student’s prank, [...] At the centre of all these noble races [...] the beast must out again, must return to the wild. It was the noble races which left the concept of ‘barbarian’ in their traces wherever they went; even their highest culture betrays the fact that they were conscious of this and indeed proud of it

>>19193103
one of Nietzsche's problems is that he doesn't tell us why what he calls "noble" is good
The closest he gets literally amounts to "be yourself" and "it sounds cool lol haha we wuz barbarians n shiet"

>>19193012
>>19192882
Holy shit shut the fuck up. There are many old traditions holding the myth of a primordia God and his sacrifice/suicide, like Purusha.
What Nietzsche implies is totally different from what the suicidal nihilist did imply (which is also different from the old traditions from which he got his suicidal god). Nietzsche and none having the dignity of self-respect should pay anything to this mental rabble who poisoned philosophy with his own sickness and keeps poisoning other weakened people through it.
May we follow our masters.

>>19193103
Yes it is highly consistent to defend both the horse and the savage against the "civilized" man. I'm sure you post in other threads about how much you hate modernity or whatever. But you're not actually committed to what that rejection entails; you are just whining.

>>19193149
He is basically a spinozist. Good is what increases the will's potential. But a noble will doesn't really have a "bad" it worries about because everything in a way already is what is supposed to be; alternatively you could say the noble will lacks a sense of feeling the need to blame something for its deprivation. But the slave, upon noticing the greater capabilities of others, decides that what he is lacking in is bad, and that those who have it are evil.

>>19193185
>But the slave, upon noticing the greater capabilities of others, decides that what he is lacking in is bad, and that those who have it are evil.
You're correct that Nietzsche says this. And that said, I think N missed the mark, big time.
Do poor people think the rich are evil? No, they worship the rich, follow them on social media, listen to them on TV, and follow their lead on what they're supposed to think and do. They want to be like them - rich, have more money - more than anything and based their lives around materialism.
It hardly works the way N thought it should.

>>19193155
The defender of a resentful goblin appears. Resentment is okay when a fanatic cuntlord plagiarist does that.

Mainländer by no means a weak man, he took the vow of virginity and he completed that, he took the vow of vegetarianism and he completed it, he was nationalist and he served in the army, he preached compassion and he was a compassionate person, he preached Democratic socialist ideas and he wrote letters to his bourgeoisie contacts to give up on their wealth, he preached suicide and he committed suicide.

Nietzsche could have only dreamed to be such a noble philosopher.

>>19193198
He wasn't around for the radio and the television to transform elites into aspirational idols of capital, but ressentiment is alive and well in democratic politics, where everything is measured by which injured party is least able to fend off the consequences of a policy change.

>>19193156
>Yes it is highly consistent to defend both the horse and
His actions aren't consistent like you implied here >>19193073

>>19193203
What could be more bourgeois than democratic socialism, a national army, and wanting to kill yourself?

>>19193226
this

>>19193225
A random scummy urbanite is not a blonde beast from before the days of the church breeding everyone into little farm animals.

>>19193226
>What could be more bourgeois than democratic socialism, a national army, and wanting to kill yourself?
Whatever Nietzsche larped as le aristocratic. Mainländer was from a bourgeois family and yet Nietzsche circlejerked around muh aristocracy and had extreme hatred for socialism NAD common folk. But Mainländer was a bourgeois and loved common folk so it is okay the say that Nietzsche was showing his pleb resentment towards a noble man.

>>19193235
The thing is he said nothing to the urbanite instead he went full Schopenhauerian which I have respect for but it contradicts what he wrote in his books. According to his books he should have started whipping the "urbanite" for harming a noble animal.

>>19193241
>noble man
>bourgeois who loved common folk
There you go again evaluating based on muh common folk. So-and-so was so based because he was pro-volk, not like that cringe guy who was anti-volk. Yes you and Mainländer are the exact sort of person Nietzsche considered a late mutation of slave morality.

>>19193257
He had more dionysian cooompassion for his fellow satyr than he had hate for the apeling

>>19193250
He had more dionysian cooompassion for his fellow satyr than he had hate for the apeling

>>19193203
I don’t know why you think pointing out hypocrisy is a sign of resentment. Anyway, Mainlander was as much of an hypocrite as you are. Nietzsche knew exactly how these cherished values of empathy, social duty culminate into the idea of the COMMUNITY, which is itself the stability, the fixation of the openness of conceptualization, including the fixed idea of an I/Self, Being/God. Read books, friend. Vico, Girard, Mauss, Schmitt, de Maistre. They all concur to what I am saying here, which is what Nietzsche also said. There cannot be a separation between the sacred and the political/cultural (society, community, itself).
The noble is not an hypocrite and Nietzsche knew this, that is the reason why he affirmed both the noble beast and the noble aristocrat.
You are just another herd-like animal.

>>19193257
>Yes you and Mainländer are the exact sort of person Nietzsche considered a late mutation of slave morality.
As a common man I will defend my position against scumfuck who preach ethics like this >>19193103

>>19193270
You/Mainlander are atheists making apology for what the Sacred (the apex with Christ) bestows. You have no ground for any moral stance since you employ the generality of religion/theology/metaphysics in order to secularize it. A parasite.

>>19193267
>Mainlander was as much of an hypocrite
How

>"Could one count such dilettantes and old maids as the sickeningly sentimental apostle of virginity, Mainländer, as a genuine German? After all he was probably a Jew – (all Jews become sentimental when they moralize)."
If this isn't resentment then I don't know what is.

>>19193302
Nietzsche makes clear what resentment is, or rathet, what the specific kind of resentment he denounces is like. He even says that resentment can be positive, the Jews are an example of its creative force. Some of Nietzsche’s takes against Christianity was probably a bit resentful in the negative way for he does not see how close they can stand in support for the individual against the mob, and also how he himself, through the dionysiac force, can side with the mob as well.

>>19193270
Well then it's time for you to find a better justification than "God will punish you," or "God's priests will punish you," or "While there is no God, I will act as if there were and attempt to rebuild him"

>>19193290
Yes, we do have the basis for morality in the Metaphysical Will. And you're naive if you think that anyone can escape the idea of sacred. Nietzsche himself scapegoated the so called slave morality to solidify the desire of few larpers by putting a delusion of elitism in them about being special snowflakes separate from le herd. Nobles or aristocrats teleological working towards their christcuck-tier coming of the sacred Superman

>>19192160
>Christianity is... le bad
>We killed God, b-b.... because we just did ok??

>>19193318
>He even says that resentment can be positive
What a fucking joke

>>19193318
>Some of Nietzsche’s takes against Christianity was probably a bit resentful in the negative way for he does not see how close they can stand in support for the individual against the mob,
So does Mainländer. He even gave concept of an elitist order of Philosophical Pessimists he called it Knights of the Grail

>Shortly before ending his life, Mainländer imagined the creation of what he called the Order of the Grail, a strange knightly association of pessimistic philosophers, whose mission would be to work to alleviate the suffering of Humanity, in order to direct it towards its ultimate goal : the definitive liberation or redemption (Erlösung). This Order was, in his opinion, the last hope of men before a future that he foresaw increasingly uncertain. The main mission of the Grail Order would be to promote the education of the people and the solution of the "social question", requirements both without which Mainländer understood that no liberation is possible. To devise his fantastic Order of the Grail, Mainländer was inspired by the Wolfram von Eschenbach Perceval. In 1882, Richard Wagner - who perhaps had news of Mainländer's philosophy through Nietzsche, and had been working on Wolfram's poem for years - gave musical form to the Grail Knight rituals at his sacred scenic festival Parsifal. From the Spanish Section of the Philipp Mainländer International Society, we want to contribute, with our academic study around Mainländer and pessimism, to the forging of such an honorable chivalrous ideal, to which the most famous Spanish paladin of all time also dedicated his efforts : our excited and melancholic Lord Don Quijote, the Knight of the Sad Figure

>>19193372
I don't see him around to show himself, and he was executed in the new testament.

>>19193040
The horse story is a myth

>>19192992
>But your point is that you are the real Hebrew right?
No, just that they have no claim to call themselves Hebrew.
>muh volcano
Quoting Freud? More jewish subversion mindlessly swallowed by anti-Christians.

>>19193040
It's been over 100 years since he died. The fact you have to bring up the unabomber tells me a lot, and I don't think you quite understand Nietzche completely and the scope of his influence on modern thought.

>>19193548
Your entire religion is their subversion. Quack quack

>>19193156
The horse being whipped into submission for the benefit of the average man is definitely in line with Nietzche.

>>19193333
I won’t explain again how any metaphysical conception or secular facet is only possible because of an irrational, numinous consciousness.
The slave morality is just the mimetic nature behind every human relation, see how the shift between the religious sense of moral to secular ethics shows this. At the same time there are eminent people, superior, truly, in the end all beings are driven by the same hunger and same will to power. Their expression, their direction of force, their own will, so to speak, is different nevertheless.

>>19193379
>What a fucking joke
Read the Genealogy of Morals.

>>19193618
>At the same time there are eminent people,
Same old religious Saintly pseudo metaphysical bullshit in new packaging because it's hard to accept that you're mere food for worms like everyone else. Yeah yeah I know. I am also a Knight of the Grail.

>>19193235
I’m here in this thread defending Nietzsche against the Mainlanderfag and Christianity/Catholicism made me into what I am now. If you just realized how despite obvious differences they share in common, you wouldn’t come out as annoyingly ignorant, the reason I abstain from engaging in any future discussion.

>>19193642
Read my post and try to use your brain to understand that despite there being superior people they are all subject to Power and at the same time despite everyone’s being subject to Power there are superior people expressing this common, ubiquitous, will.

>>19193649
>superior people
Yeah, yeah the knightly warriors which the God has gifted them with enormous powers to rule the plebs. Nice scapegoat that you have dude you can totally deluded yourself that everyone isn't a food for worms, it's just that some people are immortal due to their hero systems to gain immortality for diminishing their death anxiety.

>>19193682
Well, people who affirm life and its inevitable suffering reality, who understand how it is suffering that makes existent what was not before, who are spiritually aware of life, are, indeed, superior. You obviously don't know what the scapegoat mechanism implies, but I have recommended you literature before already. Anyway, you are just too coward to face things as they are seeing how you ignore what I'm saying when you repeat the same things about which I even recognized.

>>19193734
>Well, people who affirm life and its inevitable suffering reality, who understand how it is suffering that makes existent what was not before, who are spiritually aware of life, are, indeed, superior.
No, they're inferior deluded romantic plebs who can accept that we all dumbly rot few feet the ground and due to this reason they have to invent all types of copes. We The Knights of the Grail are true bourgeois, the aristocrats of the Abyss.

>>19193800
You and your kind are only knights of nihilistic bourgeois weakness.

>>19193860
We don't care for progress and transhumanist scientism which are sacred Gods of status quo. They all belong to the cult of life like you, bunch of cowards who can't face sight of Abyss.

>>19192160
He seems so intuitive because we're living in his world. His ideas are a reflection of the spirit of the times and as a reflection have thereby shaped the very thing they reflect.

>>19193888
>other nihilistic contrivances belong to the cult of life
None who is an hypochondriac, appealing to its counterpart in intellectual copes, belong to the cult of life. Cult of life is accepting evil, suffering.

>>19192838
Nah nobody gives a shit about him except his fanboys

>>19193923
Transhumanists and space explorers are the true Nietzscheans of 21st century.

>>19194010
>adopting the common sense misinterpretation of what an ubermensch is
Try reading Nietzsche. See what he says about Life and Dionysus. Trying to alleviate life of its burdens, of its condition of suffering, is to deny life.
Anyhow this is all sterile and you are boring like the nihilist you are.

I like some of nietzche but I don't know if I like his bleak view of suffering and it being necessary. Inner suffering is one thing but killing, conquest over others, etc I feel shaky about. I can agree that napoleon and Hitler paved the way for this modern world but how can we know this road was preferable? Do great men need to be ruthless like that?

>>19194060
I am not a nihilistic but pessimist. Yes I am "wasting" my life away and I am self aware but I don't give a shit I like my misery. But what are you doing here? Wasting hours debating with pessimists on a Mongolian basket weaving forum? Aren't you same as me?

>>19194069
Hitler didn't get to create the modern world and that is exactly the problem.

>>19194088
Hitler would have fixed nothing. Read Marx

>>19194085
I was trying to help you, friend.

>>19194090
>Read Marx
No. Why should I? I don't trust your recommendation coming after that false assertion.

>>19194105
You’ll forever be haunted by spooks until you realize the truth of historical materialism. The Third Reich would have turned into a milquetoast capitalist state by 1960 or whenever Hitler keeled over.

>>19194113
You're saying that he would have let the bankers back into Germany after running them out? Don't think so.

>>19194136
>>19194113
FUCK Hitler and Marx. Both were resentful niggers and nurtured herd-like values and gregarious mentality.

>>19194173
I'm just confused because these men obviously broke from the herd in the eyes of history.

>>19194197
They didn't. They employed the same tool necessary in the formation of a community, of gregariousness: the scapegoat mechanism. The years predating Hitler were filled with antisemitic sentiment, see Nietzsche for this for example. It is not because what they did affected many others in grand scale that they elude their nature, they affect in their own way.

>>19193554
Not him, but what does him bringing up ted k tell you? Im curious

>>19194173
Ever heard of the phrase "too many chiefs and not enough Indians"?

>>19194069
NOOooooOoooooOOO!! Hecking Hitler was so trad!!

>>19194312
Mobilizing your people through the same sentiments that first moved you. Low appeal.

>>19192160
>everything right
He didn't get everything right, but he stretched materialistic logic and morality to the absolute limits before hitting the ultimate wall. A man who rejects divinity can only take himself so far without recognizing it as that which has guided him the entire time. It is my personal belief that he attained true enlightenment at the end of his life and it was the very thing that sent him into madness, either out of deep shame or true acceptance/surrender.

>>19194365
>recognizing it as that which has guided him the entire time.
t. dionysus the crucified

>>19194173
Based.

>>19194333
Whatever sentiments you mobilize people with, you will be nurturing herd-like values and a gregarious mentality. This is inseparable from a strong and stable political infrastructure and culture.

>>19194197
Saying Marx broke from the herd is fucking rich when the man was a massive scumbag that idolized state power as much as the bourgeise did. The man simply wanted to use the state against his enemies just as any other resentiful loser to enrich himself. The fetishization of workers is peak herd mentality because it refuses to acknowledge that fact hiearchies in the world exist because biological limits determine is what possible for certain humans - these hiearchies develop naturally as some people are simply genetically gifted while others are not. The communist is always the man who complains that social combinations ought be built against this "injustice" when the reality is there is no "injustice" to be found - its just the way life is. Hitler's stupidity isn't far from Marx at all; he just makes the target a specific set of capitalists - Jewish ones. Both men are unable to understand cause, and effect, and tern natural, personal problems something to be abolished versus something that must be accepted and overcomed.

>>19192526
>Not mentioning his mental collapse over seeing a random dead horse
Cringe and not-Nietzsche educatedpilled

> refutes neetch
> blows his prose out of the water
> shits on philosophy
> was an actual Nazi, not just an "influence"
nothing personal /pol/lack

>>19192160
Name a unique value you have consciously and deliberately created.

>>19192838
Why would I be upset about that?

>>19192160
Mainlaender-lite. Both are inferior to Schopenhauer anyway. Although they and others fixed some of the holes in his philosophy, Schopenhauer's "big-picture" is more simple and elegant once you understand it. He's also funnier, despite his reputation for being a curmudgeon - it doesn't really have anything to do with his philosophy but it makes reading his work more relatable which is by design.

Whatever you think, his central thesis is absolutely wrong. The thesis about will and in particular free will is completely bankrupt. Anyone who believes in the idea of free will is a morally bankrupt person.

>>19192263
Crowley pls go

>>19192160
To put it simply
>he saw that the Christian worldview was collapsing
>from there, thought about the consequences that might have for all thought in the West
>tried to come up with a way forward to avoid complete nihilism

While anyone in the 19th (or even 18th) century could have figured this out, Nietzsche was a genius and thought this through very thoroughly

>>19194688
They weren't stupid. They were just German

>>19192160
I mean he went insane in the middle of trying to construct his own system so it's pretty difficult to argue he got everything right. Of course Nietzsche was still based insofar as he had the intellectual courage to face up to and attempt to overcome the nihilistic black hole that science had ripped in the fabric of modern society as philosophers are too chickenshit to do even today. But it's doubtful that he had any solution that wouldn't have been destroyed by his own critical tools.

>raises Nietzsche to the level of transcendent spirituality

No need to thank me

>>19195587
>transcendent spirituality
More like self induced schizophrenia

>>19195591
Crowley was a lot of things but I don't think he was schizophrenic

His son Ataturk maybe though, he lived a very odd life. Like if Crowley had the same personality but had been a laborer on a building site instead

>>19195966
Occult is self induced schizophrenia and a cope from death.

>>19192787
All of judaism is basically a reaction against Babylon, other ancient empires of the past and Christianity. The core of Jewish mentality is victimhood.

>>19192902
It is literally the core of Christian teachings that all borders should be destroyed and all nations destroyed so everyone can become part of the same christian nation.

>>19192365
Same.

The funny thing is Nietsche would be nothing without Christianity. HIs philosophy is just Christianity in denial of itself.

>>19195587
That’s Evola.

>>19195478
I can attest to this. As a hedonistic idealistic teen in my transition to adulthood where one has to leave behind his old ways and start taking responsibilty, I would myself totally lost, depressed and demoralised by the thought. What's the point if everything is meaningless? Reading Thus Spoke Zarathustra pulled me out of my depression and awoke my will to power, so to speak.

>>19195460
You've not read a lick of Nietzsche or any philosophy for that matter.

>>19192814
The Genealogy alone shows Nietzsche's total independence from all those thinkers that you listed

Why is it that all Nietzsche criticisms seem to miss the mark? Have they just never read him, or is Nietzsche really that big of a midwit filter?

>>19196797
By becoming a fucking barbarian savage rapelord >>19193103 Yeah none of those philosopher fell so low
But no, he never escaped Stirner.

This is just embarrassing.

>>19197092
>By becoming a fucking barbarian savage rapelord
Okay, moralist?

>>19193073
It isn't. You're replying to low IQ retards who can't grasp context and take a made up story too seriously.

>>19197108
Yes.
Also Nietzsche was Stirnerite.

>>19193073
the absolute irony of this post considering his love of jews

>>19197135
>>19197092
No, he wasn't. Nietzsche never subscribed to the fixed idea of Ego, he always proposed the opposite, its dissolution (eternal return).

>>19192972
>Nietzche was a success and a great man,
KEK

>>19192972
>The mere fact that we're discussing him and his work still is proof he was successful.
Let's see you apply the same reasoning to Augustine, Aquinas, or Kierkegaard.
I suppose the reason Neetzsche was successful is because a horde of his own effete urbanized last men find him endlessly fascinating and want to reduce all discussion of philosophy to him alone.
Neetzsche need not be consistent. Neetzsche need not be coherent. He need only be what his squirming mass of postmortem worms say he be. And where can anyone say otherwise.

>>19198956
>don_quixote_tilting_at_windmills.jpg

>>19197515
Have you read him or do you just rely on out of context quotes to confirm your existing biases like the rest of this board.

>>19199039
Yea yea yea, neechnig.
I've read more than enough of him.
I know all about how he considers jews chandala, but they brought amoral complexity to europe, and that classes like the jews represent a challenge for the overman to overcome, as opposed to parasites to be removed from Germany, which was contrary to his zeitgeist ... I just think he's retarded.

>>19194173
Finally, someone who read Nietzsche...
Based.

>>19199281
Well then obviously presenting his position as "love" is highly oversimplified. One could not read GM or BGE and come away thinking there was love so much as there was contempt for those who made a point of hating them into an identity—this very hatred being worse than what it opposes.

>>19199341
And yet they did more to advance his ideas than neechnig could conceive of

>>19199359
>bro like, if you hate the jews you're WORSE than them
>I heckin prefer jews to Germans lol
>NOOOO NOT THE HECKIN HORSERINO
>I MUST PROTECT THIS NOBLE BEAST FROM LE SCUMMY URBANITES
The irony of preferring jews to germans, but chimping out over a horse really says it all

>>19199408
Why is this hard to follow
>christer morality is for spiritual cripples
>german anti-semites are engaging in christer morality
>horserinos are heckin based and noble
Where is the problem except you being a ressentiment laced election tourist who insists on being anti-semitic? Of course you don't like N, he called you out and your answer is "nuh uh ur just cringe and love joos." Truly the chadala cries out as he shovels his own refuse

>>19199463
Nature itself compels me to be "anti-semitic".

>his position is morally unassailable so let's get his post deleted instead of assenting to his argument
Enjoy the hell are creating for yourself.

>his position is morally unassailable so let's get his post deleted instead of assenting to his argument
Enjoy the hell are creating for yourself >>19199463

>>19192160
Nietzsche is the quintessential midwit

>>19192160
Neetzsche was just an Emerson plagiarist

>>19199693
I think the influence of emerson is the most cringe things we encounter in Nietzsche, like when he praises cheerfulness. But what else?

>>19200356
the most cringe thing we encounter in Nietzsche was his masturbation addiction that was exposed by Wagner

>>19200356
Considering the entire "beyond good and evil" concept comes from Emerson's essays Idk how you could have a Nietzsche without him

>>19200391
Isn't transcendentalism kind of too retarded for Nietzsche?

>>19194136
He ran out the Jewish bankers but was quick to work with global conglomerates like IG Farben and General Motors to create weapons and war to stimulate the economy. Even if Hitler won the Fourth Reich wouldn't look much different from America.
If you want to bring up pozzed culture war bullshit consider that Hitler himself molested his younger cousin and she later committed suicide.

>>19200369
I see this type of comment in every Nietzsche thread. Why are you all (including Wagner apparently) so obsessed over what a 19th century German philologist did with his penis in his spare time?