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I used to listen to him big time when I was 18. Extremely insightful person, a great starting point to investigate different discipline.

I was part of the archiving mckenna project, transcribed a few of his lectures.

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https://www.asktmk.com/

>>19169342
Qrd on this pic?

>>19169770
Smoke dmt

>>19169629
Thank you so much for this.

>>19169342
Kek at pic. Demons.

CIA asset

terrence mckenna is like a watered down ram dass slash timothy leary for gen x guys who listen to phish. skip it.

>>19169946
Terence is way more interesting than either Das or McKenna though.

>>19169966
Das or leary i mean.

>>19169966
What novel insights does he bring to the table?

>>19169342
These so called dmt beings being afraid of christ thing is complete bullshit shilling from my experience
They literally couldn't give less of a fuck whenever you bring him up

>>19169342
He comes up from time to time on /lit/. I know the creator of the best Terence McKenna archive there is. My friend has shared some really rare and hard to find publications. He's also a /lit/izen. He is busy these days, so he hasn't put too much work into the archive recently.
https://zerwiclib.com/terence-mckenna-archive/

>>19169629
Remember listening to him interviewed by Art Bell overnight 'school nights' waiting around for the sun to rise late 90's. Lived on the side of a Volcano in Hawaii near the end if I'm not mistaken, interested in divination sticks..

>>19169342
I had to stop halfway through True Hallucinations. It just got too batshit stupid for me.

From my limited exposure, I'm convinced that there is certainly something to the psychedelic experience, although I'm not sure what. The problem is that all of the acid freaks, myco nuts, and other assorted 'enlightened ones' all seem to lose their head and devolve into schizo nonsense after too much exposure.

Once you start to attribute too much empirical weight to the psychedelic experience, it seems to turn you into one of these assorted nutty psychedelic 'intellectuals'.

This immediately puts me off from the idea of extended return trips to psychedelics, but there is also a good count of people who experiment with these drugs extensively and maintain an arms' length away from the inane parts of psychedelic culture, while still not denying the profound parts of the experience.

Maybe the weirdness attracts nuts like McKenna, Ram Dass, and the old hippie couple down the road with the 40-pigeons, and doesn't turn people into them. Maybe it's a bit of both.

In any case, it's really interesting and I'd like to do more reading and more experimentation. I just don't think McKenna has anything interesting to say beyond his pretty lucid descriptions of the psychedelic experience and maybe some of his psychoanalytical ideas. He's definitely fun to listen to, though.

>>19169781
>give yourself brain damage

Terence is best when he isn't talking about drugs. His Finnegan's Wake lecture and his lectures on Hermeticism are very good. If you're skeptical give them a listen.

>>19171962
Lichtenberg said books are like a mirror. Psychedelics are the same.

>>19169629
Why cant I find the speech where he said he was working for the feds? Oh right its too controversial and mckenna fanboys like to pretend it never happened.

>>19170305
They also refuse to give straight answers to anything.
Demon or not many are legitimate extra-dimensional predators and they view you as literal food.
There's a reason shamans generally consider them dangerous except those they have specifically made deals with to work alongside their tribe.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NDCuJqHl3g

>>19169342
Andrés Gómez Emilsson Is also worth reading. He’s basically trying to mathematically formalize psychedelic experiences.

https://qualiacomputing.com/

>>19172176
Sure, there are good entities and bad one. Still, the experience is worth it and most of the time nothing bad happens

>>19172176
>>19172958
What is the endgame of these entities?

>>19172967
They're you.

What do you guys think of the commonly reported impression on DMT that you've "come home", that some of the entities you meet you've known for an extremely long time and temporarily forgot about, and that the DMT world is the actual real world while this one is unreal in comparison?

>>19172978
It's probably correct but I'm too scared to smoke DMT again. I did it once and never broke through.

Anyone have any advice?

>>19172969
What makes you say this?
They could be loosh harvesters or something. Wardens.

>>19172985
Nah trust ms they're you.

>>19172986
Why are you so sure?

>>19172989
Because I am god

>>19172989
Because I am god

isn't it just beings that tell you to build pyramids and turn into a murderer or a tranny?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGOB0ylGnq0

>>19173043
No, there's some stranger stuff going on
https://youtube.com/watch?v=nHLpB38LNg4

>>19171962
But why do you focus so much about how people who have used psychedelics act or talk like? Literally who cares. You are just putting those people into empty categories. If you are interested in the experience, that´s all that matters.
I know a lot of those psychedelic enthusiasts seem to only talk nonesense, but after you get into it yourself, a lot of it starts to make sense. It's not that you lose all your previous knowledge to the experience, all of that make more sense as well. That kind of knowledge is difficult to put into words, even more so to express it in a way most people would find it logical, but that is not the point anyways.

Psychedelics are something to be respected, not to be consumed just because. Perhaps those people you mentioned haven't taken it seriously enough. There is a big difference between smoking dmt for recreation and going to an ayahuasca ceremony. There is a lot more meaning to it than just the chemical compounds. This substances are a source of great knowledge, and you should treat them like so.

>>19173076
>tfw no hyperspace gf

>>19173150
>Perhaps those people you mentioned haven't taken it seriously enough. There is a big difference between smoking
With what that anon said, they probably take it too seriously. Ken Kesey had the right idea, not Leary

>>19169342
Almost every "modern" author seems like an absolute pleb compared to Guenon and Evola tbqh...used to passively listen to mckenna but can't stand his pseud new-age shit now. This makes perfect sense, since Evola and Guenon were initiates of Royal and Priestly initiation (initiation understood in it's Tradition, authentic sense), respectively. Fuck with me.

>>19173351
lol

>>19171962
It can open your mind up to "transcendent" modes of perception, the problem is most people will fall to an inferior "sub-human" spiritual state, rather than a suprahuman state proper to supra-conciousness, which is what some people call "intuition". Seeing little aliens or fractals doesn't mean you're opening yourself up to god. Without the necessary purification it is almost certain that you are going to interact with inferior sub-human entities / have your consciousness devolve into the sub-personal, which is the realm of inferior spirits, including demons.

I did 8 grams of shrooms once and couldn't read my watch and thought I was talking to god. Ya it was cool and opens your mind, maybe in a good way. But overall the whole idea of it is fucking retarded and spirituality for losers if you do this regularly. Tibetan monks or Hermetic masters don't need DMT or anything else to leave their body and enter the "heavenly spheres". If you need something external to experience this you aren't worthy and will suffer the consequences.

>>19173366
This whole post supposes traditionalism is true, but some people don't believe in the traditionalist talking points and as such will just dismiss your claims wholesale. You don't hold some kind of objective spiritual truth and would do well to remember that lest your narrow perspective prevent you from seeing the big picture (which is far beyond the petty squabbles of theologians, esotericists and philosophers)

>>19173358
lol dude lets trip on lsd and like go to other dimensions we're so enlightened xdd

>>19172026
His take on Hermeticism is so fucking retarded I was laughing out loud. Jung is at least worth listening to, even if he misses the mark considerably.

>>19173379
You sound insecure and petty as fuck
Definitely not worth listening to at least

Why are evola/guenonfags so consistently obnoxious? Even christians are somewhat less insufferable and self-righteous about their flavor of unfalsifiable arbitrary dogma.

>>19173376
>You don't hold some kind of objective spiritual truth
This is exactly what Traditionalism is. It is the knowledge (gained from direct experience) of metaphysical reality, and then seeing all of the ancient esoteric Traditions worthy of the name essentially striving towards the same transcendent (ascending, not descending) goal. However it is fundamentally aristocratic (meant for the upper castes in antiquity), which is why so many common folk will not be interested in it or even be able to read the essential books, so of course I'm coming off as a snob, to say the least.

And of course you don't have to believe it, but if you were wise you would listen to the people who have been initiated into authentic Martinism, or actual esoteric Hermeticism (the goals of which are far beyond any vague new-age shit Mckenna or Jung would posit), Suffism, and many others, rather than the ramblings of some druggie retard who can't retain consciousness through sleep.

>>19173402
>This is exactly what Traditionalism is
Yet another attempt to qualify objectively something that cannot ever be qualified, much less in any systematic manner.
It's very convenient to be able to dismiss whoever sees through the inherently shoddy (faith-based, as much as they want to present it as experiential) foundations as a low spiritual caste hylic, but I've read the books (mostly Evola's), and was thoroughly unimpressed. Of course in your framework that simply means I was filtered and am not meant for the perennialist transcendental truths, much like Christians dismiss everything they don't like as demonic possession.
I don't feel the need to listen to these people because I reject their premises, namely that initiation is meaningful at all, or that perennialism is true. It's yet another spiritual framework and I see no reason to subscribe to it. The thing is that traditionalists on /lit/ like to pretend their ideology is somehow less vaporous and unfalsifiable than other spiritual paths, which is simply not true. Your premises can be rejected like any other religion's.
I didn't just dabble, I was deep into this just a couple years ago. I didn't come from a physicalist reductionist background, so my mind was more open. I looked into western traditions and esotericism, eastern traditions and traditionalism. In the end, none of it was compelling. All of it felt like a purely human invention that I couldn't pretend to care for.

>>19173380
“Let the sage with his wisdom not unsettle the mind of those who do not know.” Or "caste not ye pearls before swine, lest they trample them and you along with them".

Have fun with your drugs dude.

>>19173384
You don't understand what Traditionalism is if you think it is arbitrary or dogmatic.

>>19173379
You are 15

>>19173422
>y-you just don't get it
lmfao
For all his shortcomings at least McKenna didn't pretend that his schizo ramblings were anything more than that

>>19173422
And you're missing the entire point of spirituality if you think it can be contained by your larpy little systems.
But the frogs and general tone of your posts make you sound like an underageb& who has just gotten his mind blown by the trads and now believes he's an epic kshatriya defender of solar spirituality so I doubt you have anything interesting to say. Read more and you'll look back on this with amusement.

>>19173420
What is your position? That there is no truth, only perspectives, ambiguity?

>>19173427
You don't understand what true Hermeticism is. You are a retard who cannot understand the medieval Hermetic-alchemical texts, and who thinks abusing drugs is a "spiritual path" that leads somewhere other than downwards. I will continue to watch my "etheric double" rise from my body at night and try to catch it before it travels through the various hierarchies, I learn from the masters.

>>19173424
Were you upset at me laughing at how wrong mckenna is or not worshipping Jung? or did you take it personally when I made fun of drug users?

>>19173444
>personal attacks
>"i know what the entire point of spirituality is"
>t. dude interested in terrence mckenna
have fun dude

>>19173477
Truth arises from subjective perspectives, for all the inspiration he took from Nietzsche, Evola glossed over that.
I don't expect you to agree though and I'm not interested in debate. My only point here is that trying to paint traditionalism as an almost empirical system of spiritual achievement is a mistake and that (like a lot of people on /lit/) it's sometimes good to take a step back from what you assume to be true and acquire a bit of perspective, instead of beating into threads preaching something that, in the end, you cannot show reliable evidence for.

>>19173492
If you're not going to explain your own point of view then I guess that's that.

>>19173420
Ultimately it comes down to a difference in character. Similar to politics.

>>19173478
Sure continue your larp, what do I give a shit? kek
>I learn from the masters
Holy fucking cringe. Please focus on graduating high school instead of larping with your lucid dreaming experiences
>>"i know what the entire point of spirituality is"
t. you
Also don't whine about personal attacks while calling people retards, dumb zoomer

>>19173497
Yes.
>>19173503
It comes down to the fact that people need certainty, hence the attempts at systematizing something that is inherently impossible to grasp. This is obviously not limited to traditionalism though.

>>19173478
I'm not upset because of your shit takes, I'm annoyed that children who've never read a book are clogging up the literature board with crap they learned from low effort right wing youtube indoctrination. You literally are demonstrating in every post you don't know what the fuck you're talking about and everyone here is cringing at you. Read a fucking book you absolute slobbering mongoloid.

>>19173508
I'm guessing you are incapable of explaining what "truth arises out of subjectivity" means without sounding like an idiot

>>19173478
Evola's scholarship on hermeticism is really not that good. McKenna is actually quite knowledgeable about the subject and your dismissal of him shows how ignorant you are about the subject. Stop pretending to read and actually read.

>>19173513
I'm guessing you assume I care about your opinion when I've already dismissed your entire worldview as nonsense several years ago. No need to be defensive, just accept that not everyone finds traditionalism compelling.

>>19173524
I dont believe in traditionalism. I do notice though that he explains his ideas, while you refuse to, while making a dozen posts attacking him so it's not like you have anything better to do, leading me to believe you simply cant defend them at all.

>>19173492
>Truth arises from subjective perspectives
see>>19173503

>for all the inspiration he took from Nietzsche, Evola glossed over that.
Not really.
>to paint traditionalism as an almost empirical system of spiritual achievement is a mistake
How would you know if you haven't tried? it is empirical, that is what is so unequivocally convincing about it. If you are not wiling to make that leap of faith at the beginning and write it off it is ultimately your loss, seriously.
>you cannot show reliable evidence for.
This view is opposed to true spirituality in the first place. But why would you listen to a rambling CIA druggie over people initiated into ancient Traditions that make you immortal? Even from a purely profane perspective, Rene Guenon is praised by Hinduists for an unparalleled understanding of the doctrines, he knew 14 languages and knew more about ancient civilisations, sacred symbolism, linguistics etc. than anybody else, but you would rather listen to some hippie talk about dmt or whatever.

>>19173516
>Evola's scholarship on hermeticism is really not that good.
Really? why? please explain why you think so, I'm honestly interested.

>>19173541
Same problem as with his books on Buddhism and Hinduism (his scholarship on the latter is honestly laughable, with actual glaring errors)
Basically: applying the traditionalist framework in order to interpret the religion instead of first making an impartial analysis. It's less obvious with hermeticism because it's syncretistic, but the doctrine of awakening made me roll my eyes every other page

>>19173508
>hence the attempts at systematizing something that is inherently impossible to grasp.
This is where you are wrong, and where Tradition has enlightened many who would otherwise be grasping in the dark. As you said, you are not that interested in arguing over it, and I agree, since I admit I cannot prove to YOU "empirically" that these teachings are objective metaphysical truths, because doing so, as you have sort of recognised (but in the wrong way) is not possible.

>>19172969
this. always sad to see how many people can be utterly fooled by themselves.
whoever believes in the claptrap of foreign entities occupying their brains should strictly avoid use of these substances. their quixotic interpretations render them infinitely dangerous to anyone they might come across under the influence.

>>19173531
I owe you nothing, cry me a river. Debates are sterile, stop being so belligerent on the Internet.
>>19173534
>How would you know if you haven't tried?
How would you know I haven't tried? In my experience, no, it's nowhere near empirical. Systems like to pretend they can provide an overarching narrative to spirituality, all of them do that, but I don't have to subscribe to their interpretation.
>This view is opposed to true spirituality in the first place
Then stop pretending it isn't.
>CIA druggie
I'm not a McKenna fan, I don't really care that you hate him. Some of his takes are interesting, his guruism less so. Your systematic dismissal of drugs betrays inexperience and biased assumptions, probably because no traditionalist except Eliade did any serious work on shamanism, so you don't have much exposure to those traditions.
I read Guenon in French and was about as unimpressed as when I read Evola.

>>19173509
Well whatever it is, we can certainly agree with you when you say that you're upset. But you have a very poor intellectual intuition, since I have been reading for most of the day (pic related was one of them, among several), and I don't learn anything related to the spiritual through youtube, unlike the clowns who think Terrence Mckenna is spiritual (seethe harder, you retard).

>>19173570
You're in a thread having a debate about this subject yet you refuse to explain your own position, it's quite pathetic. Are you really just another druggie who ended up with nothing but "its like relative bro" ?

>>19173575
Nothing interesting to say, then. I'll leave you to your sophomoric takes, you'll probably grow out of it in the next few years, like most of us have.

>>19173570
>Your systematic dismissal of drugs betrays inexperience and biased assumptions,
Drugs can be used under very special circumstances and by people already possessing certain qualities either innately or through preparation, but the sense in which the overwhelming majority of people take them is quite different. I am not surprised that your spiritual attempts did not manifest in anything convincing, since you seem very attached and emotional, if I may speak honestly.

>>19173577
>growing out of guenon and into new-age retardation
what are you on right now

>>19173577
I haven't given a take because I dont have one. You claimed that truth arises from subjective perspectives, the same thing every burned out druggie ever says, and then refused to say anything coherent about this at all. You're transparently incapable of explaining what that actually means to you because it means nothing but a vague sense of confusion you get when you're drooling on mushrooms

>>19173555
Anyone can delude themselves into believing anything. You're not offering anything of substance.
I refuse your dogmatism, that's all there is to it. You want to believe in the trad system, be my guest, but don't pretend it's self-evident.
I'm not interested in arguing with you any further, this conversation is boring
>>19173559
What do you make of the various reports of people clearly experiencing some kind of nefarious foreign influence that they clearly feel is external? I don't have the link right now but you've probably seen that thread on dmt-nexus.
I don't necessarily disagree with you but I'm curious to know what you think.

>>19173583
Yes, everything that contradicts your worldview can be explained away by whichever convenient delusion you want to draw upon, I know the drill
>>19173585
>new-age
lol
>>19173587
Your impotent rage doesn't give me much of an incentive to explain anything. I'd recommend books but you wouldn't read them
Either way, I'm not a hardline anti-foundationalist, merely a reasonable skeptic. Look that up on Wikipedia and get back to me if you feel like you have anything interesting to say that isn't taken straight out of the trad discord talking points

>>19173598
>I'd explain but
It's quite clear you'll explain nothing because you can't, you will just keep making excuses.

>>19173601
(You)

>>19173552
His book on the Doctrine of Awakening was recognised by the Pali Society of London, so there's that. You haven't really explained to me why his "take" on Hermeticism is wrong, or why his method is even wrong (going at it from a Traditional framework makes a lot more sense than reading it "impartially," otherwise you would end up doing chemistry experiments).

But most importantly, I would like to know what specifically does he get wrong? do you even know what his interpretation is? because I don't think you do. Explain it in concrete terms and why it is incorrect. I really don't think you can do this.

You are also talking about esoteric Traditions, not exoteric religions, which are very different

>>19173605
Another post in which you explain nothing because you cant

>potentially interesting thread hijacked by larping retards
Tiresome

>>19173598
Wow you know everything!

>>19173605
No he's based, you're a fag with a bloated ego who can't even talk about spirituality without his feelings getting hurt.

>my religion is true
>"prove it"
>you have to do what I say and you'll experience the truth for yourself bro
How is this different from self delusion and why should I take yours seriously instead of literally anyone else's?

>>19173590
>You're not offering anything of substance.
maybe to you I'm not

>>19173616
it is a good thing that people more spiritually enlightened than mckenna-tier retards are protecting the latter from spiritual subversion.

>>19173629
You're as conceited as ortholarp faggots who call everything demons, fuck off lol

>>19173633
To you I appear conceited, parents who know more than their children would also seem conceited.

>>19173366
Based

>>19173643
Cringe
You don't know shit kid
It'll be funny when you die and it ends up being nothing like what your gurus described to you

>>19173622
It's not and you shouldn't
Retain distance, question and doubt everything, it's the only way to not get memed

>>19173687
I'm sorry you feel that way.

>>19173712
Don't be, I'm not the one who fell for memes hook line and sinker

>>19173716
I would refer you to my previous post. Watching your subtle body coagulate while falling asleep and "feeling" positive spontaneous events before they occur is not a "meme" once you have experienced it.

>>19173741
Sure it is. I've experienced some weird shit too but I don't make it the center of my existence. Read Monroe, his cluelessness will make you realize that all this stuff is just not comprehensible and traditions are just copes to attempt to make sense of something you'll only really know when you get to the other side

>>19173751
>Read Monroe

>>19173774
kek, the exact response I expected
You people are like automatons

>>19172978
I think people say stupid shit when they’re high.

>>19173782
I've read Monroe. If he was part of an authentic Tradition he wouldn't be so clueless and would understand it, but he doesn't, because he's ignorant and by chance received a rare gift, which all true initiates obtain. This is perfectly explainable, but you fail to recognise any higher order or truth, and your overall confusion is a result of this, which suggests an inferior character, meaning you are left leaning if not full on sjw cuck.

Has anyone ever given dmt to an actual indian guru a buddhist monk or a theologian or something like that?
I would like to read on the perspective of people who are open to the spiritual realities from the start and not some college atheist who thinks he found god on an acid trip.

>>19173351
Evola was not initiated into anything.

>>19173800
>NOOOOO EVERYTHING MUST FIT INTO MY FRAMEWORK
literal npc

>>19173799
But when it's meditation, it's fine :^)

>>19173816
His confused writings do fit into the Traditionalist framework, do you have difficulty reading?

>>19173814
Not in the Guenonian sense, at least that we know of.

>>19173824
Everything fits into the traditionalist framework, retard
Everything also fits into the christian framework, the buddhist framework and the atheist framework, because that's what religion is about, making the world fit into a system

>>19173831
>Everything also fits into the christian framework,
Wrong
>the buddhist framework
Yes, but depends on what you're talking about
>and the atheist framework,
No.
You also just attempted to refute your last post; but pointing out that you're confused when it comes to spiritual matters would be superfluous.

And we are talking about the esoteric, not exoteric religious forms. Again, it is all too telling that you find Monroe's writings perplexing or confusing in some way, when all of this is already explained by existing Traditions, which you do not have the capacity to understand, so you will remain in the dark, lashing out like a dumb animal, because for all that can truly be called spiritual, that is what you are.

>>19173864
Yes faggot, your ignorance is made obvious
What christians don't understand is demonic
What atheists don't understand is just atoms bro
What traditionalists don't understand is muh primordial tradition
etc etc etc
You are delusional and have no idea what the absolute fuck you're talking about. You also lack the most basic reading comprehension because I never said I found Monroe's writing confusing, they're clear as can be, the man himself was confused
>you will remain in the dark, lashing out like a dumb animal, because for all that can truly be called spiritual, that is what you are.
kek imagine larping this fucking hard
I'm cringing physically while reading your retarded posts. It's obvious to everyone here that you don't read and jumped on the traditionalist bandwagon to feel like you have a personality and an identity

>>19173869
Wow you are mad, and fucking retarded lmfao

>>19173964
I accept your concession, larping zoomer :)

>>19169619
nice dude

>>19172092
who cares lol

>>19173751
>I've experienced some weird shit too
Do you experience it regularly as a power you have achieved? no, because you don't know what you're doing. I've been reading your "arguments" and you act like a retarded child who can't engage in discussion. Very enlightened. Getting impressed by Robert Monroe's popular occult shit while not understanding Guenon on any level is a dead give-away you're a reddit-tier pleb at absolute best. Are you non-white btw? The other guy's reading of you is 100% accurate. Go back.

>>19174001
I'm not even that guy, you're just an emotional seething retard with no intellectual insight to compensate, small wonder you're attracted to pseudospirituality.

>>19169342
>the mushroom told me that we have to depopulate the earth and practice polygamy

>>19174056
>>19174075
Holy fuck you are absolutely seething in rage lmao
Trad larpers are all the same. Call out their little cult for what it is and they shriek in anger.
Bottom line is: you don't know fuck about anything and your little larp games are nothing more than that.

>>19174122
The reader will note that you are projecting here.

>>19174122
calm down and lay off the psychedelics man, they've got you going psychotic, you're not making any sense. this is what the tradchads would call counter-initiation, you have fallen from the merely human and have unknowingly become the passive medium for inferior subtle forces. clear you mind of all thoughts if you can and meditate on the awareness of your consciousness and the presence of God or Allah will begin to reveal itself

>>19169342
Archaic Revival is a great book.

To the two or three or however many anons flinging shit at each other above, as a third party impartial observer I'd like to let you know you appear as mirror images of each other. Try to learn something from that.
You are all seething. You are all invested in purely ego-driven exchanges. None of you seem interested in any honest argument and you are all entirely convinced of your own truth. I've been guilty of this myself in the past and it's embarrassing. But I just wanted to let you know you really do mirror each other. That is all

>a monkey ate a mushroom and obtained awareness
were the glowies even trying?

>>19174183
if you take the evolutionary theory seriously, this is a pretty fascinating idea

>>19174180
>mirror images
>one side is making arguments and actually responding to points, the other is namecalling and labelling
lol

>>19174188
ya, if you're a fucking retard with no spiritual awareness or intuition i imagine it would be pretty entertaining

>>19169342
JV

>>19174210
okay buddy

>>19174180

>>19174198
one side and the other are always two sides of the One (situation), once they finding each other they get chained by that which is causing the love/hate moment. that becoming the defining element enclosing the situation. instead of the One: subject and its object (thought, image, narrative) we get the One of: subject1 and subject2 projecting objectivated worlds unto each other.

>>19173590
i think people don't recognize all parts of themselves. do you have wicked dreams, terrifying dreams, with any variation of neerdowells and villains from every perspective and with every narrative? surely none of them expect that to be something other than themselves. DMT magnifies the self, it does nothing more, nothing less. i see it as we meet mechanisms of our mind at other times shrouded by the common separation of the self-echo from the arbiter, there is in all of us a series of mechanisms we are more or less aware of depending on the individual. DMT magnifies the awareness to such an extent that it renders visible these mechanisms, and they are often so bizarre, so outlandish, that we do not recognize them, though doubtless they are cooped up in us at all times, the amygdala to be sure is one of the mechanisms i've met on many occasions, and have since learned to commune with without drugs. likewise the 'goddess', who is the zenith of my knowledge of power and authority, her never being quote the same shape or design is quite the clue, just as my sense of authority is given to variation.
People just don't recognize themselves. the sensation of 'other' is derived from the fact that within us there are many things 'other' than the simple self. it is an act on stage, this life our egos lead. and for good reason, if you tweaked all your notions and axioms every which way, could you get a damn thing accomplished? i reiterate as well, that with meditation one can meet with these manifestations without any drug. I have no reason to believe that it comes from without when it's perfectly explained by internal mechanisms. i could very well be wrong, but one would have to address these things for me, and show how it could even be possible.

>>19174169
>source: dude trust me

>>19173804
there is a tale from ram das where he gives his guru a bit of acid, and the guru calls it 'stream entering', it's also known as sotapanna, if you're interested. you can find the speech about his guru in many of his talks.

>>19174534
This makes sense, I remember reading a book about tibetan dream practices which at some point got into the idea that dreams are all "you", it's just your impaired dream consciousness that makes it seem as if you're interacting with discrete entities and objects. Similarly I would assume a DMT trip is also all "you", but this time it's your waking consciousness that is unable to conceptualize this.
>>19174180
>You are all seething. You are all invested in purely ego-driven exchanges. None of you seem interested in any honest argument and you are all entirely convinced of your own truth.
This should be a /lit/ banner. it's embarrassing

>>19174556
>a hit of acid is a fast track to stream entry
If this is true, it's kind of funny. Some buddhists spend their entire lives trying to attain sotapanna.
I'm neither a huge proponent of psychedelics nor some a drugs are le bad dumbass, as with most things a middle ground is required, but I think the recent surge in interest in psychedelics, if it ever manages to become divorced from vulgar monism or smug scientism, could lead to interesting things. Also, even if his books are said to be fictional, I found Castaneda to be an absolute goldmine when it comes to shamanism

What the fuck is wrong with you schizos? Lmao

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>>19174561
yes, exactly! but it does give me pause to wonder if there is still some path to our spirits, our souls there. i can envision a possibility that our flesh are conduits, vehicles to a higher plane, or a different one entirely, that we are engines with this purpose, it would not be altogether unbelievable, and i do indeed believe the spirit and the soul are distillations of the self in its main forms. i feel like i'm waffling a bit, but it's at least honest to suggest that on top of these mechanisms there is some path to god or evil beyond ourselves. i would think that the path is quite tiny, though, like some pinprick peak of the iceberg. it's all fascinating, whatever the hell is going on.

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>>19174573
thanks for the tip on castaneda, looks very interesting, and yes, it seems like there's not much left to do with ourselves than to go further inward, or go further outward. every other option is tepid, all paths middleward.

>>19174585
the most interesting part is that nobody really has any idea what the fuck is actually going on. We can formulate hypotheses, we can draw parallels, notice patterns, try to come up with interpretations and explanations, but in the end it's a shot in the dark and I suspect that the nature of existence is far more grand than anything our limited consciousness can currently come up with, much like you couldn't ask your dream consciousness to be as unimpaired as your waking one (unless you were to become lucid). Reports on experiences from DMT or salvia users gives the impression that this world really is a kind of stage and that what's going on behind the scenes is unimaginably vast and incomprehensible to us right now.

>>19174604
agreed, it is difficult to say, i just recently had a meeting with aya, matter of fact, just a dip of the toes, and i really have to say, that living as we do now would be utterly impossible were all the things that i saw, reflected upon, and experienced something that i had to deal with all the time. it reminds me of the plight of the openly insane, the hallucinators, that they are debilitated by their inability to assume the mask of ignorance. it could be simply that the world is mad and filled with these things, and the ego is designed to live in a shell with limited information, if only to scrape out what is 'life' in this frequency of earthspace. all of that must go on always, surely, surely the awareness of the ego is expanded beyond its former limits, ah it's never not exciting to muse on this.
i do wonder if we'll ever shape up and do some real research on it as a species.

>>19174643
>the ego is designed to live in a shell with limited information
Yes, it's a limiter and I doubt we're "meant" to get rid of it entirely in this form/existence much like you wouldn't discard pieces of a multistage rocket before it gets into orbit. For whatever reason we currently need this filter, and although we can catch glimpses of what happens when it's discarded, I don't think there's a need to be impatient, as it will be discarded eventually, and being ready for it (i.e. not in denial) is the most important thing.
I heard the analogy being made once between this mode of existence and a frequency or a channel, temporarily tuned into, limited in scope. It seems appropriate

>>19172857
Only relevant post ITT. I was expecting more anons to share psychedelic related content.. Gomez is incredibly insightful, I found out about him through /lit/ iirc. His recent 5-meo-dmt vs DMT paper and subsequent video is extremely good.

>>19172092
I'm the poster you replied to and while it's true many "fanboys" refuse to acknowledge it, I don't see your point other than being an an antagonistic weirdo. Yes, majority of people are morally invested in their interests and incapable of apprehending objective reality - shocking! Yet I doubt you are pointing this out purely for investigating purpose , I'd wager you are politicized and have a weak grasp of historical materialism and the why and how of cybernetic agencies like the CIA, like Irvin does. Oh, and you couldn't find it because he wrote about it in true hallucinations, which isn't from a transcribed lecture.


Here is the excerpt:

>And certainly when I reached La Chorerra in 1971 I had a price on my head by the FBI, I was running out of money, I was at the end of my rope. And then they recruited me and said, "you know, with a mouth like yours there's a place for you in our organization". And I've worked in deep background positions about which the less said the better. And then about 15 years ago they shifted me into public relations and I've been there to the present.

Mckenna schizos unironically think he's talking about the mushroom recruiting him, not even kidding. Glad I can handle my psychedelics kek.

>>19174659
A lot of interesting mid to late 20th century personalities were involved with spooks somehow anyway. RAW is another one, who entertained sulfurous relationships and was overall a shady character, yet Prometheus Rising is one of the most lucid books I've read.

>>19174659
>I was expecting more anons to share psychedelic related content.
Could you recommend some good sources? I like reading erowid trip reports but it gets a bit boring after a while, I'd like some new takes.

>>19169342
DMT entities are demons, just as are the entities who fly around in flying saucers in the skies. Do not interact with, and not trust them. I just saw a UFO for the first time a few days ago and it gave off sinister vibes

>>19174715
your brain on christcuckery

>>19174659
this gomez guy knows his stuff. >>19172857
thanks to both of you for bringing him to my attention.

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>>19173687
>tradlarper nerd and relativist tranny drama
I read less than you but would destroy you in argument by breaking your tiny necks with ease irl

Take massive amounts of niacin.

>>19174721
I’m not even a Christian. Evil entities are not a solely Christian phenomenon