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Which are the best books to read if I want something critical of the Enlightenment?

>> No.19149607

The Dark Enlightenment by Nick Land

>> No.19149616

>>19149607
Land's self-serving atheist individualism is a product of the Enlightenment.

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>>19149607
>The Dark Enlightenment by Nick Land
https://www.thedarkenlightenment.com/the-dark-enlightenment-by-nick-land/

>> No.19149634

>>19149571
wasn't their a science book written in the 1600's that retroactively challenged the enlightenment with proto-historicism

>> No.19149641

>>19149616
>individualism
His anti-humanism is incompatible with individualism
>atheist
His demonic numogramacy is incompatible with atheism

>> No.19149649

>>19149641
That all sounds super gay.

>> No.19149653

Unironically, the french pomos

>> No.19149663

>>19149649
It could sound gay to a progressive humanist like yourself, yes

>> No.19149690

>>19149663
>Progressive humanist
Land is the one who hangs around with lolberts, atheists and jews

>> No.19149696
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19149696

>ten posts into the thread and no one has suggested De Maistre

For shame. OP, read Considerations On France.

>> No.19149699

>>19149571
novalis
hölderlin
grimms' fairy tales
blake
wordsworth
coleridge
keats
byron
shelley
john clare
walter scott
william hazlitt
burns

>> No.19149704

>>19149690
True, but at least he's not a progressive humanist pretending to be right wing like you are

>> No.19149712

>>19149699
Blake and Shelley supported the French Revolution and sexual degeneracy, Scott was a mason and philosemite and Keats was a LARPagan.

>> No.19149721

>>19149704
What makes you think you know what my views are.

>> No.19149746

>>19149721
Your words. I am not implying that you know what your own views are, however

>> No.19149751

>>19149607
>>19149621
Land was sacked from his university teaching job for taking too much mdma and hitting on students.

>> No.19149805

>>19149712
Yes, Anglos are diabolically evil, everyone knows this

>> No.19149808

>>19149751
How enlightening

>> No.19149865

>>19149721
I have said nothing but repudiate jews, atheism and modernity. How am I a "progressive humanist?

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>>19149571
Based Norm as usual
>>19149805
Also this plus the French. Although we must remember the *Bavarian* Illuminati were responsible for the Revolution.

>> No.19150008

>>19149865
Humanism and Christianity are one and the same. You claim to dislike modernity, yet you strongly subscribe to it's ideology. You are a product and a soldier of Enlightenment values, of modernity

>> No.19150042

>>19150008
>Humanism and Christianity are one and the same.
The Enlightenment is the explicit judeo-masonic rejection of Christian authority.

>> No.19150124

Moldbug (A Gentle Introduction/Open Letter to Open-Minded), Nietzsche (Beyond Good and Evil/Twilight of the Idols), any natural law philosopher (Aquinas is the best)
Patrick Deneen - Why Liberalism Failed for a more political slant

there you go, that's like 3 different ways of approaching anti-enlightenment thought. im sure there's other, better writers too that idk about

>> No.19150129

Adorno Horkheimer Dialectic of Enlightenment

>> No.19150184

>>19150124
>Moldbug
Jew who refuses to implicate his own for their responsibility in the calamity and shifts the blame to Calvinists.
>Nietzsche
Anti-Christian coomer
>>19150129
>Horkheimer
Father of Cultural Marxism

>> No.19150306

>>19150184
i didnt say i liked them all retard, i answered op's question

>> No.19150317

>>19150184
Dialectics of Enlightenment is literally exactly what you're looking for. Unironically read a book, faggot

>> No.19150324

>>19150317
>Fighting jewish subversion with more jewish subversion

>> No.19150352

>>19150324
How would you know? Brain dead fag looking for validation

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>>19149571
Spirituality has noble intentions but in the end is always compromised and corrupted when they decide to build a church around it.

The world was slower paced back then, but no better under the rule of some bullshit divinely righted sovereign. Norm just notices the slower pace of those bygone days.
The new order isn’t science, it’s law. It’s the age of the lawyer and his army. Of course it’s darkling. The beast still lives

>> No.19150363

Thread is now gay, abandon ship

>> No.19150367

>>19150363
You’re the holocaust denier

>> No.19150379

>>19150357
The Church is simply the formalizing of the supernatural order that exists in all creation, and was instituted by God for man's direction. It is necessary for civilization. Informal, individual spirituality creates only discord.

>> No.19150391

>>19150379
They’re always established by men to ORDER people around according to their needs.
There is no god writing books for this shit, much less establishing churches and central committees as his grand high overseers.
Focus.

>> No.19150425

>>19150391
Focus on what? Organization is necessary for spirituality to be anything more than sentiment.

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>>19150425
Oh ye of little faith.
What good is your hollow heart to the one true

>> No.19150444

>>19150367
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=czWWjISsylo

>> No.19150449

>>19150439
>Just be a good person, lol

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>>19150449
What happened to your god, kid?
Your faith evaporate into mere sentiment without some clerical class of pedophiles brainwashing you once a week?
I guess that wasn’t the one true faith after all.

>> No.19150488

>>19150439
Do you really look like her? Post pic, I want to see

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>>19150488
Your thoughts on my posts ITT?

>> No.19150500

>>19149634
I think its is called "The New Science" I do not remember by whome. an Italian?

>> No.19150516

>>19150499
I don't know. I'm a Catholic but I haven't regularly attended church since I was a kid, even though I believe and pray everyday. There's a shitload of liturgical abuse in my country and they play pop music on synthesizers. It's very depressing desu

>> No.19150526

>>19150516
Well, I think you get what I’m advocating then.

https://i.warosu.org/data/lit/img/0190/44/1631598609717.jpg

>> No.19150639

>>19150526
You're so cute I want to kiss your wittle nose. Anyway, I agree in part but I take the fact that the Church has survived for so many centuries, with of all the corruption no less, as a sign of holiness. I'm not sure if my views are heterodox but after Francis' crap I've come to believe in an 'invisible Rome' that works in the world silently

>> No.19150678

>>19150639
The beastly systems of state and capital have existed for as long too. Too many see them as holy as well.
What is this gripe with Frances about? Do you the reaction the church had to Marx?

>> No.19150754

>>19149699
I know Novalis red pilled Frederick William IV, the Prussian king who finished the Cologne Cathedral and rejected the imperial crown because it was offered to him by the bourgeoisie instead of the princes on the enlightenment. So he's probably a good place to start

>> No.19150769

>>19150678
>The beastly systems of state and capital have existed for as long too
Yes but they die after two or three centuries and have to keep being remade. From observation I've noticed that things from the devil have a very short lifespan

>Francis
In his latest attack on the faith, in his letter where he surpresses the Latin mass, he basically confirmed that the hermeneutic of discontinuity is true. I think that works in our favor, as it implies there's two churches - the visible one that's centred on Man, and the invisible one that's centered on God. Didn't understand your last question butters, can you say it again

>> No.19150770

>>19149571
What a shitty take, huge faggot.

>> No.19150773

To this thread I'd like to add Burke's Reflections on the Revolution in France and most of all CS Lewis' The Abolition of Man

>> No.19150783

>>19150769
>and have to keep being remade
Bad idea! Always. No exceptions.

>> No.19150799

>>19150783
Yes, I mean the devil plays a part in remaking them which is why they're doomed from the start

>> No.19150813

>>19149571
Vico, Herder, DeMaistre

>> No.19150900

>>19150483
>pedophiles
I'm not going to believe your jew media lies you larping fag.

>> No.19151266

>>19150769
>From observation I've noticed that things from the devil have a very short lifespan
if anything, something that exists beyond its creator's lifespan is pretty demonic, the exception maybe being art

>> No.19151535

>>19149883
which Evola book contains the most blows to the Enlightenment?

>> No.19151578

>>19150391
Read Tolstoy's religious works. Also Gospel of James

>> No.19151586

>>19149571
Hollywood faggot babbling about "enlightenment bad".

>> No.19152208

>>19150900
>I’m not going to believe the hundreds of testimonies of of fellow Christians. Not I’m molested myself
Sexual repression leads to deviancy. You can see it right here on 4chain, and it happens in the priesthood. Has always happened there.

>>19151578
I read James. I’m reading anything from the religion anymore. My advice is that you part with church leaders to find your hod yourself. Anon above believes god will abandon you for doing it that way. He actually knows damn well there’s no god but the priests.
Tolstoy? Yeah, Christian anarchism. He probably says the same.

>> No.19152388

>>19152208
What do you think of Simone Weil?

>> No.19152393

>>19150500
Yes, Giambattista Vico (PBUH)

>> No.19152514

>>19152208
>Not *till* I’m
> I’m *not* reading anything from religion anymore
>find hod *god* yourself
Rats.

>>19152388
Like Tolstoy, I’m not too interested. She seems pleasant enough

>> No.19152891

>>19149616
>atheist
coldness be his god

>> No.19152909

>>19150184
>Jew who refuses to implicate his own for their responsibility in the calamity and shifts the blame to Calvinists.
This is a statement of somebody who has not read a single piece on UR. People who think the point of Dawkins Got Pwned is "Calvinists" are "to blame" didn't understand a fucking word of it.

>> No.19152921

>>19152208
>Sexual repression leads to deviancy.
I’ve heard this since childhood. Do you anons think it’s true or just a meme? It makes sense, but I’ve noticed that the periods in history with the most sexual deviance were precisely those with the most sexual liberation. It seems like there’s another factor in all of this

>> No.19153087

>>19152921
It's just a meme invented like perverts like Freud and pushed by Frankfurt School communists.

>> No.19153106

>>19150499
>be attention whoring tripfag who literally posts pictures
>uugh why arent people engaging me and what im saying
what a dishonest post, thats what i think of your posts. nothing but dishonesty from a vapid attention starved woman with nothing worth while to say about anything

>> No.19153110

>>19150499
If you had anything worth while to post, you wouldn't be a tripfag

>> No.19153171

>enlightenment: dude, reason, progress!
>rebuttals:
>christianity: science can't explain magnets
>post-modernism: it's not really reason you're using, not sure if reason even exists in humans
>NRx: yeah but it's """progress"""" leading back into mild forms of authoritarianism that I can't control

I just want to grow embryos in vitro for gods sake.

>> No.19153175

>>19153087
This

>> No.19153192

>>19149571
Julius Evola

>> No.19153253

>>19153192
Freemason.

>> No.19153635

>>19152921
>I've noticed that the periods in history with the most sexual deviance were precisely those with the most sexual liberation
precisely indeed