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read the corpus hermeticum

or just consider the fact that reality is fundamentally simply based on power and purpose and perception

>>19142890
>it's MYN!

>>god is omnipotent, wants for nothing
>>but he creates people anyways because uh... he's just a really nice guy i guess?
>>but then he punishes us if we don't think he's real
>>...but he doesn't need us to believe or even exist because he wants for nothing
>>also he has a plan for us, which is rendered pointless because we will all just end up in heaven anyways if we believe
>
>look i know something must exist beyond the material world because infinite turtles,
>but the bible makes no fucking sense.
>
>seriously, he made us just out of love?
>even though he doesn't want to give or recieve love,
>because that would make him incomplete.
>and we need to give glory to him or we get punished,
>but he doesn't need or want glory because that would make him incomplete.
>
>not to mention the fact that if all he wanted to do was love us,
>he wouldn't punish us for doing bad things with the free will he gave us.
>
>and yes this is /lit/ related, it's about the most important book ever written by MEN.

>>19142900
deep

>>19142890
You WILL face God's wrath just for using that ugly smiley, boy.

>>19142900
care to expand on that?

>>19142890
God created the universe such that I could exist. You are right in thinking that you have no purpose because only I matter.

>>19142946
the implications are HUGE

>>19142936
sure

Man is the measure of all things. God may have created man, as many wise men across time agree on. But man also undoubtedly created, and continuously creates god.
As OP states, it doesn't really make sense for a perfect being to get angry if we don't believe in it. So what if that which calls itself God (according to any given theology), is not THE God but a god, which, bound by its own desires, dislikes, plans, perceptions, available tools, etc, is "merely" a player in some form of competition. The abrahamic god, in my opinion, plays something like metaphysical monopoly. Acquire believers, collect rent in form of worship (metaphysical energy in the form of submission, adoration, etc), buy up properties held by other players. Other gods, like those of the norse pantheon, may each have their own desires and plans of achieving those desires.
Regardless, man is at the center of it.

Now I'm not telling you to worship yourself. You can if you want to, but it may make sense to think about all of this in terms of contracts and exchanges of value. Whether you desire peace, wisdom, purpose, worldly success, or whatever else there is is entirely up to you. As it is up to them to do what they want to do.
Does that make sense?

>>19142999
ok but if they're not omnipotent then who created them? infinite turtles.
the buck has to stop somewhere.

>>19143009
Might as well be the infinite (you) innit

Does it matter where exactly the buck stops? Why the need to find The Ultimate Being®? Why not pray to Aphrodite in matters of love, even if she isn't primordial chaos itself?

>>19143023
because i seek knowledge and i want to know the nature of the world around me.
what exactly is the value of the hermeticum if it doesn't actually answer any questions?
what separates it from "it's all a simulation maaaan"?
you still don't know who made the simulation inventors.

>>19143035
The hermeticum does answer those questions, but you have to apply them as well. I suggest you start sincerely meditating on that which bothers you so.
>don't know who made the simulation
Yeah, turtles all the way down lol. You don't know who founded your specific bloodline either, do you plan on going into archeo-anthropology because of that?

>>19142890
Maybe you should try reading some theology.

>>19143046
i just told you, i want to know who or what created everything.
i don't really care about middle management.

>>19142890
this reddit bait thread will get over 100 replies

>>19142890
OP it's very easy to see the TRUTH. God created by an act of self-delimitation—in other words, because God is conceived as a kind of utter fullness, a perfect being, no creature could exist except where God was not. Thus creation occurred only when God withdrew in part. This is was an original kenosis ("emptiness") preceding the corrective kenosis of Christ's incarnation. We are thus born in a sort of damned position not owing to original sin as such, but because to be created at all we had to be precisely what God is not, i.e., we had to be the opposite of what is holy. Because the creation was this way (as necessarily containing evil within itself), then there is no problem of the entrance of evil into a perfect world. Nor does this constitute a delimitation of God's omnipotence, if it is not that God could not create a perfect world, but that the act which we refer towards by saying "create" in its very essence implies the impossibility of perfection.

>>19143057
Meditate on it my guy. After all it's up to you to experience truth and accept it or reject it. You yourself are your own middle management, executive board, and blue-collar grunt

>>19143080
why do you think i made this thread? i already did that.

>>19143083
refer to this post >>19142999

you have a desire to know where the buck stops, so you need to work on some kind of plan to get to that knowledge. Do you really think /lit/ can just straight up tell you The One True Truth and you'll be like
>yeah okay baddabing baddaboom I accept this
?

>>19143075
this does not explain why he did it in the first place or why he punishes nonbelievers.
all you did was explain how it occurred. which is interesting but it's not the question.

Yahweh is not the real God, pal, he's just a symptom. Seek the wisdom of Hermes.

>>19143088
yes

hey there good evening all... hope everyone her eis having a good time, let the good times ROLL LOL well I don't care for tuna sandwiches they reminds of the days my pappy was fighting guy bannisters thugs in Monroe country damn those were the days man he was a strong COOKIE, tough pill to take yes... well Dennys has sandwiches my favorite is the Nashville hot chicken melt damn it reminds me of the time my pappy was at Graceland and ran into Cybill Shepard who was trying to sell straggling itinerant Abelard fringes chicken fingers near the cream and turnpike you know near 63rd avenue on the corner to smoked bbq dugout joint well it didn't work out well for her LOL damn near cost her here career

>>19143099
godspeed then haha, may you find the answers you are looking for

>>19142890
life can be hard like that gotta just keep on moving forward following the right old rhythm of the rain that beats and beats and beats and beats and beats and beats and beats in the windowpane windowpane windowpane again LOL my pappy sometimes repeats words in the drunken fluidity of speech to show me that the were important you know sometimes things have to be emphasized like my pappy's crawdad operation out of baton rouge boy he got success there after he and his friends pushed out guy Bannister's methadone henchmen take it easy- SIGNED SCOTT

But I guess sometimes we just have to take what life throws at us, shit, it's difficult, a real tough cookie to swallow but it's what makes up a man ... I remember a friend of my daddy, he worked on an oil rig off the coast of Louisiana, lived there in a jade quarter flat with a half bath like near lake Pontchartrain now in those days, were talking like early 70s, baton rouge was THE hotspot for methadone trade like the real deal, i.e. heroin the stuff that fucked up Kurt Cobain is what this methadone business is a replacement for, and the company men on the oil rig who were all by the way henchmen of Guy Bannister 's Panzer divion, used to do the trade route for local criminals...real bad guys trust me, no one you would want to mess with ..anyways my dad was not in favor Guy Bannister's methadone racket and starting sinking the bags of methadone into Ponchetrain when the foreman were out drinking in the night..now the sad thing is that o ur dog also drank from lake Ponchetrain, it later died of chronic diarrhea but by that time my father had become such a strong man that he didn't even shed a tear, to this day i look up to his example and think of that wise old turn in phrase- when life gives you lemons, make lemonade! Well you know and that reminds me of what grand pappy used to spout off all wild and sea bass fish like from the gaffe boat part after he'd done had some Schlitz and cigarettes: them Huns is peckerwoods! Just like us pecker pecker pecker pecker suckin' peckerwoods...each and every last one of them God made us all equal except for the Huns Huns are righteous and will not even allow the bull nab to put a fire to it when it's dirty shit man isn't that the truth? ?? We got lucky that victory came so easily it was time to dance and smoke cigarettes after the war i remember Andy Williams and Ann Margaret in Branskon Missouri near the riverwalk singing the anthem with eyes welling full of sloppy tears for the boon of the notion, the nation very nuch a proud moment for grand pappy whose father was an infantry man for the Queen's army delpoyed inspa to push back the Krauts man shit that must have been crazy ...parachuting Krauts in the countryside, heroism at stake for the sake of a uncle Sam giving you a pat in your young man's Back ... Wow ... Simply in awe let the good times roll

on that note i would suggest approaching Oliver Stone's opus chronologically both in the macro and micro scale, I mean watch his first film -- the one that came out into the multiplex in the year furthest away from the current year -- and start on the first scene working slowly towards the last one. I have read many books and watching many movies using this method. cheers stay healthy out there, numbers rising up again. got to be careful about the delta variant, well anyway heading down to denny's now with friends. I play bingo with them there on Monday nights sometimes we also order something to eat but normally not only if im hungry I normally order the country fried steak, it reminds me of the hungry man meals I used to eat when I was depressed ... tom Brokaw was still alive then, damn even Tim russert, I mean ,,, meet the press man. he really held politicians feet to the fire. anyways denny's cuisine reminds me a lot of hungry man days except for the cowboy chopped steak it's on the value menu for 8.99 dollar now that's a good deal you really get the value for your buck at denny's when you're there, it's like you're family but wait LOL that+s already a slogan for another restaurant chain the Olive Garden my grandfather once told me about the difficulties of marriage we used to vibe together in Virgin record stores he introduced me to Led Zeppelin I really like Immigrant Song although I sure don't like immigrants well anyways sorry, im getting a bit off track that happens sometimes sorry , .my friends at Dennys are late to the party and my tummy is very hungry now I haven't eaten anything since yesterday been temporarily light due to the construction boss laying me off i accidentally showed up to work drunk and made a fool of myself by wetting my pants but I mean, come on ,, we all have our problems. I don*t think it was appropriate to fire me for this reason , it's not like I hurt anyoneI wanted to ask you about some Dale Earndheardt merchandise my granddaughter is just the biggest fan ,.. I just wanted to announce to everyone that I will be joining the bingo game late because my other friends are stuck in traffic jams there seems to be a problem on west 9th street, basically a small crash I will be joining the game late very concerned about my friends. one said he needed to go to the gas station before but didn't make it in time hopefully the gas will last enough to Denny's thanks and keep me updated my mobile data hasn't been so good lately, a bit "on the fritz" as my daddy said, anyways, see you later, thanks.....

>>19142890
I am glad this question has been asked. one people think that animals because they can't talk lack any soul and brains and guts and determination well well well try telling that to a hunter on a bad day LOL animals are very smart shit, there are some rabbits and other little varmints grand pappy and me tracked down in the steppes of Indiana, Litchfield's little "league" baseball dungeon near the bleacher of Mr. Washler's storefront those were the days I tell you...."summertime and the living is easy" - Gershwin just like that..a bit of sports and a bit of bonding at the pool. when my mother was preparing the fruit salad my father found the jukebox (Jules McMaster gave it to him as a gift for parting prom ritual, pappy had to hide the jukebox from mommy because it would make her jealous and also remind her of the ice-creaming tinted desk reclusion of the penultimate eventide shrovetide fair Stravinsky like whiskey serialism Cold War days, boy even as children we never forgot McCarthy - have you no bane? LOL my grandson would get that joke he watches super hero movies...well I#m off to denny's to play bingo..stay healthy and boars are pesky varmints that with Bia phage the arenas of blessed solitude .. just like my WIFE LOL a man just can't have his peace can he? well take it easy friends, well have to continue this conversation after I win at bingo LOL my friends get jealous of me when I win at bingo at denny's, shit I seen one of them who tried to spit in my food! while I was out for a cigarette with thunder thighs..makes you wonder who you're real friends are in this crazy world .... I guess it's the people that care and love about you like a tree hugs a valley in a hard storm Bill Paxton was very much like a tree, I know Bill Paxton very much. I am a fan of his early work now the scenes that are thematically emergent after the establishment of the Wakitian prologue are of better quality, cut from a better like daddy would say I mean Philipp Seymour Hoffman was a great actor in his own right so goddamn man that bloody scene where the hubcap rips open his forehead in the garage while the big ass twister rips away the movie screen was hard to stomach Jesus I mean from a technical point of view touche really well done, not as good a special effect as the FLYING COW LOL that s a joke that will never get old LOL Twister's Flying Cow

>>19142890
ABBA BUNG BONG TRASHBAG JUMPING JACK KRASH PILLBUGS THAT EAT BRAINS and a superhillbillie jumpersuit yellow man heating air conditioner treehouse amalgamation dalmation phileo phileei philei filei piles pilese porungapunglepoppipplejip ku-do-wo wings green leaves zinger zing!

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>>19143148
what is this

>>19143150
You need to take your medication anon.

>>19142890
Everything evolved out of nothing.

>>19143209
Wrong

>>19143180
some retard trying to become a meme or something

>wow Scott, I read your rambling and it was very good actually

thats what he wants us to say

>>19143009
>who created them
The eternal mover in whose nature it is to have created it all. He has no name and the reason for why he created things isn't because of any need, but simply because it is in his nature to do so. His actions are wholly good because they must be so by his very nature (i.e. everything in existence is good because they're willed by him and that goes for any and every part of it). Different from everything "in existence" (eternity, time, the universe, etc.) he isn't bound by anything and has no need for anything. Now that you know that he exists, what are you going to do? He won't "care" about you trying to talk to him (even less so than you would bother answering the questions of someone that you meet in a dream within a dream of yours, because he isn't bound in any way to the things which he has created). What do gain by me telling you all of this? None of it makes any sense if you don't experience it yourself. None of the words which I could use would be able to describe the literal experience necessary for you to know what I'm talking about.
I recommend you find a way in which you yourself come to experience what you're looking for because, unless you're just looking for empty words, you won't find that anywhere else. You will only delude yourself by simply taking the words of others as truth when the truth you're looking for can only acquired through very personal experiences.

Given the very strange nature of reality, the world, and human nature, I'm not sure how much of a stretch it is to believe in the supernatural.

Consider that to believe in a Creator God actually makes sense, in that it explains the evident rationality and design of the universe. Now, it doesn't necessarily follow that that Creator God is the God of the Bible, because of the problem of evil, among other things.

But what is the alternative to belief in a supernatural Creator -- that everything evolved out of nothing, or if not nothing, then a tiny dense speck of matter smaller than the period at the end of this sentence, which exploded.

And how plausible is that? How much faith does *that* require?

>>19143252
>he is good because the things he made are good because he is good
lol

>>19143252
The big choo choo train drives itself. Thomas the Tank theology

>>19143099
here's the answer bro. the reasoning is literally irrefutable by the way. any questions

>>19143798
so basically a complicated way of saying god isn't real because he can't be detected.

>>19143301
>How much faith does *that* require?
It requires faith in an immaterial symmetry group SU(3)×SU(2)×U(1)× P(1,3) which exists outside of the universe.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_Model_(mathematical_formulation)

>>19143835
that was nowhere implied or stated

>>19143874
what is the perceptual aggregate if not that?

god is for future jews & lazy assholes who don't do real shit and piss people off
god is for you when you're stuck in Sin
if you aren't a Sinner, then you can't get into Heaven
if you don't do stupid shit, then you aren't making mistakes
No shit, Sherlock!

>>19144314
people who say free will doesn't exist have never realized that they are caught in Sin
they have never said
>this is Sin, I am a Sinner
this is how it is with people who can't understand the concept of free will
they have it all backwards
it isn't
>does free will exist
it's
>does Sin exist
and Sin is real because it's going to reach out and kill you if you don't realize you're caught in Sin

>>19142890
Read catholicism by pious x to find the answers of all the questions you asked.

its unpleasant to think about. but in a way we may not really have enough control to be considered free will.

>>19142890
You are a midwit and you have been filtered.

>>19142919
>no argument
Whoa...

>>19143053
>maybe you should cope

>>19145271
>read religious text
>don't understand it
>complain online instead of reading the ideas and interpretations which have been around and popular for hundreds of years

>>19142890
Abrahamic religion doesn’t need to make sense, it needs to train you as a child into the behaviors that will generate the most loosh.

>>19142999
I AM THE BEAST I WORSHIP

>>19142890
It's literally impossible for a mortal being to understand God, or how God "thinks". Your brain can't comprehend God and the words humans created can't truly explain him.

>>19142890
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!SEX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>19142919
Even attempts at ridicule such as this, which are just above making animal noises as a form of argument, are now all sterile, soulless copycats. What a shitshow.

>>19142890
God chose to show us some mercy instead of ending us there and then when Adam and Eve first sinned. If I was a malevolent God, as old as existence itself, then I'd probably would be alright with stomping you out like an ant, so be grateful.

>>19143839
>How much faith does *that* require?

Answer: Essentially an infinite amount.

Pic related.

>>19146296
You just gotta believe.

>>19142890
Read Spinoza poopyhead

>>19147240
god knew they would sin because he is all-knowing.
he wanted them to, that is why he created sin and allowed them to.

>>19142890
faggot