/lit/ - Literature

>>19133425
Yes technically. Modern science can only be used to create functional technology and machines

>>19133425
>Christ is just a spiritual teacher man!
Guenon was lead and deceived by Satan himself. Unironically a forerunner for the antichrist.

>>19133450
"It sometimes so happens that people who imagine that they are fighting the devil, whatever their particular notion of the devil may be, are thus turned, without any suspicion of the fact on their part, into his best servants!"

Guenon refuted you a century ago

>>19133425
>"Indeed, some of the problems commonly engaging the attention of philosophical thought appear to be deprived, not only of all importance, but of any meaning as well
Applies entirely to Guenon lol. Never has anything been less important though by any so-called philosophers than his entire ouevre

>>19133456
>you see, humbling yourself in serving Christ is actually serving the devil!!!
>but worshipping yourself in advaita is actually divine and fighting Satan!!!
Literal demonism and satanry. A complete inversion of all that is right.

Guenon was very afraid of demons by the way. He knew that he was under their dominion and that they had tangible influence over him.

>>19133530
orthodog monks are also supposed to fight the demons

>>19133456
Lmfao Guenon as based as he may be is such a pseud.

>>19133456
>"Islam"
>"Guenon"

"I know of cases when people were voluntarily seduced into Islam, and these cases have not yet ended in a return to God. These are cases among a special type of "advanced" Moscow intelligentsia, people who converted to Islam of the Sufi persuasion, they still remain there, and for them Islam is rather one of the forms of occultism, as they themselves say, one of the forms of the "primordial tradition ". They convert to Islam following the example of René Guénon. These are the so-called traditionalists, they often mimic the Orthodox (a famous example is Alexander Dugin). At the same time, they sometimes do not hide their sympathy for Satanism. One and the same person can approve of Sufi Islam and at the same time approve of Aleister Crowley's activities. So this tendency really takes place among certain circles of the patriotic intelligentsia. For them, seduction to Islam often occurs under the slogan of anti-Americanism. I have personally met such people. Most of them are unlikely to return to the Church. They consider themselves already enlightened, superintellectuals who do not need such a "trifle" as Truth. They are not interested in the Truth."

>>19133543
But they are never afraid of the demons. I can't remember which monk it was, but possibly St. Anthony, who upon seeing the devil told him to do whatever he needs to do to him if he has permission from God, and to leave immediately if God hasn't sent him. The fallen angel left immediately in fear.

Guenon was literally hiding his name from sorcerers and demon-worshippers in fear that they would do something to him.

>>19133562
Guenon literally considered Crowley to be part of the counter-initiation

>>19133562
>upon seeing the devil told him to do whatever he needs to do to him if he has permission from God, and to leave immediately if God hasn't sent him
Yeah that was Saint Anthony.

>>19133577
I know, but when you realize that Guenonian "initiation" is itself a satanic ciew, being "counter-initiation" in his framework is really just being a little more blatantly satanist.

Is the discount Seraphim Rose poster going to be in every Guenon thread now?

>>19133649
I haven't even mentioned the blessed hieromonk's name, but I'm not surprised it still makes you seethe at the mere thought of it.

>>19133649
this guy is the archetype of the orthodox larper, a living meme

>>19133830
t. deracinated nihilist who can't believe in anything

>>19133450
based.

>>19133830
post the one with
>I think blessed Augustine MIGHT be in heaven
it always gets me

>>19133450
I’ve noticed that everyone who has been deceived by Hinduism always says this about Jesus. Hinduism is a subversive force at core

>>19133562
>upon seeing the devil told him to do whatever he needs to do to him if he has permission from God, and to leave immediately if God hasn't sent him. The fallen angel left immediately in fear.
I love St. Anthony so much. He took spiritual warfare to the next level

Guenon is just cringe.

>>19134835
Islam wasn't influenced by hinduism

>>19134692
I only have this one

He was wrong about everything

>>19133520
this, specially applies to his notion of self, which is just him confusing a epistemological category with a ontological principle

>>19133425
based
>>19133450
cringe retard

>>19135828
Why is it that every single group that Catholics want to outgroup just get accused of being masturbaters

>>19136994
>"the self is just an epistemological category, it doesn't have ontological reality"
>"w-w-what do you mean epistemological knowledge presupposes an ontological reality for whom those epistemic means are sources of knowledge?"

>>19133425
Guénon is incredible, he's only criticisable in that supernature doesnt exist but disregarding that he made breakthrough into numbers of domain by simply transmitting asian traditions, it was that easy and he only him made it.

>>19133583
>initiation is satanic
what is baptism?

>>19135876
Bataille's criticims is correct here but here it doesnt dismiss Guénon's works since that's very far from the core of his work (Bataille's talking about Guénon's criticism of modern philosophy)

>>19133425
Curious that this theory of "science as a bunch of hypothesis that cannot be proved" anticipated Popper, it's incredibly how the modern world has willingly ignored the "originality" of Guénon in these regards.

>>19133425

>>19137498
i'mn ot saying the self is an epistemological category, i'm saying guenon's notion of self is an epistemological category

>another guenon shill thread

>>19137749
>"Why yes, I do occasionally dispense wisdom and keep the hylics in check by posting about René Guénon on a clandestine bibliophile exchange, how could you tell?"

>>19133425

>>19137731
how so?

>>19133456
Heh, ironic

>>19137785
>hylics

>>19137731
That's wrong though.

>>19133425
refuted by Borella

>>19138852
absolutely based
Dumbass nigga guenon was looking for Christian esoterism the whole time when it was right in front of him
low iq monke nigga

>>19138852
Borella is useless and irrelevant, read Louis Charbonneau-Lassay.

>>19138852
"Such is the intellectual situation of the Christian West (Europe and America), to which, as we believe, the providential manifestation of Guénonian gnosis has provided the remedy. And this is what we would like to show in conclusion."
https://sensuscatholicus.substack.com/p/gnosis-and-gnosticism-in-rene-guenon

>>19133425
>>19138852
Both refuted by Jean Vaquié

>>19138458
this word seems to trigger an emotional response like clockwork

Reminded of your pessimistic despair again?

>>19140847
how?

>>19135876
>rent

>>19133450
Yes he was. In India you find all these yogis whose followers consider to be God in the flesh and will get upset if you disagree, just like christcucks. All he did was teach people things, then later his followers deified him, as Islam correctly says.

>>19140838
Ouch.

>>19133425
Nothing new, if you read Buridan or Pierre Duhem
He most likely took that from Duhem, just like Popper who plagiarised him

>>19133425
There's never been such a thing as "the primordial tradition".
Prove me wrong.
> protip: you can't

>>19142214
You haven't read any of Guenon's books (or any books at all)
Prove me wrong.
>protip: you can't

>>19137604
pierre duhem said it before in The Aim and Structure of Physical Theory

>>19138852
borella is heretic and his theories are subject to several dogmatic condemnations https://catholicapedia.net/Documents/cahier-saint-charlemagne/documents/C137_abbe-Meramo_Gnose-du-Prof.Borelle_12%20p.pdf

>>19140847
>https://sensuscatholicus.substack.com/p/gnosis-and-gnosticism-in-rene-guenon
Vaquie's book is probably the closest thing to a Christian refutation of Guenonism, but the problem is that he just demonstrates the opposition to dogma, he doesn't really answer the metaphysical/philosophical/theological arguments

>>19133450
>I like Jesus' story so he must be the equal to the father
The trinity is a fucking joke

>>19133425
most important man of the 20th century

>>19133425
I often think, looking at Guenon's face, that he would make an excellent shovel. You could hold him upside down and drive his face into the fresh soil by pushing your boot against his hip. He would say something like "Zut alors! Les malades metaphysique!" as you slowly built a shelter in which to gaze at your navel. In this moment too, Guenon would discover that shovelface was not just a cruel honorific that his contemporaries bestowed him with; rather, it was a calling.

Fuck Islam and all race traitor Islam converts

>>19143124
Yes

>>19143269
>Fuck Islam and all race traitor Islam converts

The Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) was a white man.

Jurairi reported: I said to Abu Tufail: Did you see Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him)? He said: Yes, he had a white handsome face. Muslim b. Hajjaj said: Abu Tufail who died in 100 Hijra was the last of the Companions of Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him).
Sahih Muslim 30:5777, See Also Sahih Muslim 30:5786

>>19143269
"guenon was muzlim lol"

No.

"What also surprised me a great deal was the regret that I had no biographical information about myself; this is something I have always formally opposed, and above all for a reason of principle, because, according to traditional doctrine, individualities count for nothing and must disappear entirely ... But, in spite of this, I am obliged at least to rectify erroneous assertions when they occur; For example, I cannot let it be said that I am "converted to Islam", because this way of presenting things is completely false; anyone who is aware of the essential unity of traditions is by this very fact "unconvertible" to anything, he is even the only one who is; but he can "settle down", if it is permitted to express himself in this way, in this or that tradition according to circumstances, and especially for reasons of an initiatory nature. I would like to add in this regard that my links with Islamic esoteric organizations are not something more or less recent as some people seem to think; in fact, they are almost 40 years old...".
- Letter from René Guénon to A. Daniélou, August 27, 1947, my translation - i'm french and my English is bad so sorry if there are mistakes

Retarded Muslims who try to grab his glory must get out. Guénon was Sufi at the end of his life, for purely practical reasons: he already had links with Sufi organizations and he wanted to leave France. The closest and most convenient was the Maghreb.

99.99% of the Muslims who try to seize Guénon's genius by saying "he converted to Islam lol" are refuted by the master himself in this letter and probably never read him, because they would make apostate any Muslim having 1/10th of Guénon's beliefs. Some points of his belief in brief:

1. that all religions are currently valid to lead to God and that Islam is only the most practical path of our time for a European
2. that deliverance (union with the Absolute, death of the ego, al-fana' ) is superior to salvation (entry into paradise), the latter being there for the masses when deliverance is the way of the elites
3. that the world is a part of God and that there is an Absolute superior to the personal God.
4. that it is desirable to achieve supra-individual states through intiation
5. that there is an esoteric path that transcends religious divisions

The Sufi Islam of Guénon is: yes.

The exoteric Islam of 99.99% of the Muslims on earth: it's no, it's shit, and it's probably the worst exotericism still alive.

Small message to the islamists who play the guenonfags to convert naive people to their shitty sect.

>>19143269
>Fuck Christianity and all race traitor christian converts
Said the pagans of old whose descendant is now saying the same about Islam.
Maybe one of your progeny will be a muslim and then say the same about hindus or something lol.
Your caste isn't brahmin and people like you should remain peasant and never touch any scripture.
I don't know why you come to these threads to torture yourself like this, it will make you die very early.
Don't concern your little peahead with Guenon or any other thinkers that go against what you believe (or made to believe).

>>19142634
>he doesn't really answer the metaphysical/philosophical/theological arguments
Nobody has yet to my knowledge. I won't be surprised if nobody ever does.

>>19142299
I've read all Guénon in high school. And in French.
Then I moved on to more serious studies.

>>19143367
I've already seen responses to some points here and there but nothing systematic
Jean Vaquié's book remains interesting
Probably one of the best in the anti-Guenon camp

>>19143325
>I didn't convert to Islam [...] I've been a crypto-Muslim for 40 years
Yeah buddy finish reading your own quote

>>19133425
>He was right about everything
Guenon was a basic ass bitch who lacked basic education in scientific and philosophical matters, the fact that he’s even remembered at all is perplexing. I can push better books out of my ass.