/lit/ - Literature

Plato.

Obviously, from the beginning.

>>19119409
prince philip

the greeks

>>19119424
Not really, you can't just jump into his philosophy without understanding the context of his time period.
You need to understand Greek history, myth, and literature to fully understand the significance of their thought process, I recommend starting with Mythology by Edith Hamilton before reading the Iliad and the Odyssey (perhaps the Aeneid and Barry Strauss's The Trojan War as well), Herodotus (and Thucydides), the complete works of Sophocles, Euripides, Aristophanes, Aeschylus, Hesiod, and Alcaeus, Aesop, and Plutarch. Then you can develop the necessary understanding to head into the Presocratics without coming off as a surface-level pseud.

>>19119409
one should read the Greeks genealogically
starting with modern contemporaries and work your way back until you reach the Greeks and by the time you do that maybe we will have found the egyptian texts so you can then read those

>>19119409
The German ones

Homo erectus

>>19119409
>the greeks includes the Bible

>>19119409
lost works of parmenides(that i have found) and end with them

>>19119409
Plato, then back through the Pre-Socratics, Egyptians, Bronze Age lit to Gilgamesh.

>>19119409
Diogenes Laërtius, sort of like how if you were dipping into a musician's catalogue you start with the greatest hits

The Iliad. Read the Iliad and then read the Odyssey. Then you can read Plato. Everyone talking about the Pre-Socratics is a huge fucking meme, you don't need to listen to them. Plato only makes passing reference to them and they're clearly not very important to them. Plato isn't responding to them in his dialogues. Plato is responding to Homer. Homer is the bedrock of much of culture and thought in Ancient Athens, and it's with him that Plato has agreements and disagreements. Don't read Plato until you've read Homer.

everyone says start with the greeks but no one asks how are the greeks

>>19120374
Don't fucking skip Democritus, OP. Read at least some of the Presocratics.

>>19120595
Dead

>>19120603
Out of all of the pre-Socratics you choose the dumbest one.

>>19120595
the greeks are fat and loud, as always

Start with l'empereur's correspondence and memoir, then go to Aristotle, since he taught Alexander, who inspired Napoleon.

>>19120374
This guy is retarded read the Eleatics and then Heraclitus. From there you can skip the entirety of western philosophy and read Hegel. Plato just plagiarized the pre-Socratics but never actually even took the time to understand them. The only reason why his work is so influential is because most philosophers had their work either lost or destroyed.

>>19120973
>he just didn't understand them bro!
>but neither did I because we lost most of the works [neglecting to mention we probably lost them because they weren't that intelligent]

>>19120998
plato was a retard, a FAG, and a pedo
aristotle was a chad, so was lysander, who put the faggy athenians in their place

>>19121014
also that reminds me, OP you should read thucydides and xenophon as they are more related to napoleon than philosophers

>>19120998
I'm sure I understand them better than Plato.
>muh forms
gtfo with this autistic nonsense. Ontology is the foundation of philosophy but Plato somehow managed to fuck that up and set us back 2,500 years.

>>19121039
>I'm sure I understand them better than Plato.
No you're not, because Plato had access to their original insights and you don't and never will.

>>19121125
>No you're not, because Plato had access to their original insights and you don't and never will
nigga tf?

>>19120973
Hegel is a humanist so he just rehash judeo christian crap. No need for this pollution. to stay clear of judaism, it's presocratics, then buddhism

Start with Norwegian wood

What are the best books on the Orphic Mysteries?

>want to read the Iliad
>know it's just going to be 75% boring bible-tier lists of names and places and numbers of ships and troops
>never get around to it
>feel like I need to read Homer to understand Virgil, and Virgil to understand Dante
>never get around to any of them

>>19121255
Start with the geeks (murakami protagonists)

>>19121307
reading, like many things in life, can be a boring slog bro especially if much of the material is dry but if you read 5 (FIVE) pages a day, in 50 days you'll have read 250 pages
every little bit easily adds up if you do it consistently

>>19119409

Read Illiad and Odyssey -> Presocratics (google it) -> Socrates -> Plato -> Aristotle -> Ellenistic (epicureanism, stoicism, skepticism, cynicism) -> Romans -> St. Augustine -> Medieval philosophy -> Modern philosophy (Descartes -> Sartre) -> Postmodernism -> Back to the greeks.

Durant's Life of Greece and Homer

>>19119409
Starting with the greeks is a meme, start by analysing cave paintings

>>19121515
>Socrates -> Plato
what
socrates didn't write anything lol

>>19122927

That doesn't mean there's no accounts of it dumbass.

>>19119409
Gregory Palamas.