/lit/ - Literature

>>19113117
Don't know but would fuck either. Also op is a fag

>>19113117
China. Japan cosplayed as Chinese for >2000 years

>>19113117
Mishima and some of the Japanese Buddhists poets are nice and all but China all the way.

>>19113117
Define "finer".

Do you mean which nation has the oldest literature? (China)

Do you mean which nation had the biggest
literary influence, internationally, during the renaissance (Neither), enlightenment (China), modernism (Japan), post-modernism (Japan), Post millenialism (Japan)?

Do you mean something else?


What do you mean?

>>19113125
I may be a fag, but don't just say it because I slammed Evangelion

>>19113141
It's a stimulatingly open question. Answer for each of those. Which has your FAVOURITE lit anon?

>>19113127
China destroyed so much of its culture over the years that some of it has had to be reverse imported back to China from Japan, a good number of Buddhist texts especially

>>19113117
They're both great, but Japan is autistic and China completely schizo in flavor, and after 1900 they're both just Western, with China trying to eradicate their culture, and Japan commodifying it

>>19113214
Gagaku is actually Tang era Chinese court music completely forgotten in China

>>19113117
The Chinese are wider, the Japanese are brighter.
The Japanese are more aesthetes and psychologically closer to Europeans.
I have always felt irritated by their culture, as a colorful juicy but poisonous fruit. Literature they also have more in "feelings". The old Chinese (new after the 20th century only disgust me, they are just awful) are more formalists. But the Chinese have always been more interesting to me, even despite the abundance of pure idiocy in literature.
Correct answer ... Vietnamese!

>that some of it has had to be reverse imported back to China from Japan, a good number of Buddhist texts especially
More details here. Source?
I can quite believe that there are some texts in Japan, but they are not in China. But I don’t know what they were reimported, apart from scientific findings.

>>19113214
>>that some of it has had to be reverse imported back to China from Japan, a good number of Buddhist texts especially

>More details here. Source?
>I can quite believe that there are some texts in Japan, but they are not in China. But I don’t know what they were reimported, apart from scientific findings.

Sorry, I forgot to click on the post.

>>19113117
China

>>19113333
Checked. Kenneth Ch'en's Buddhism in China. (Wait for a Princeton sale). Also of note are Japanese sources of Chinese historical information, e.g. travelling monks (not unlike how the Chinese monk Xuanzang was a source of Indian historical information). In other words, there are some specifics we would not know about culture, society, religion, and politics etc. in Chinese history if not for pre-modern and early modern Japanese tourists making note of it, since it was of interest to an outsider.

>>19113117
>Which has the finer literary [...] tradition?


JAPÓN, INDISCUTIBLEMENTE.

>>19113247
My Chinese history is spotty but I know after Tang they collapse into multiple dynasties until the Mongols come along. Japan doesn't get to that level of fragmentation so whatever Tang culture they brought over more likely got preserved in a colonial way, like Quebec French being archaic to metropolitan French

>>19113377
Basado

>>19113377
Why? China seems the obviously correct answer here. What would you rather learn, polish (japanese) or russian (russian)?

>>19113371
>Checked. Kenneth Ch'en's Buddhism in China. (Wait for a Princeton sale).
Do I look like a person who buys books and doesn't use libgen? I do not think so.

> In other words, there are some specifics we would not know about culture, society, religion, and politics etc. in Chinese history if not for pre-modern and early modern Japanese tourists making note of it, since it was of interest to an outsider.
This is understandable, it is always so. The eyes of the locals are blurred, but everything is amazing for the traveler.

>>19113460
I don't know what you look like, but some people on the literature board enjoy books.

>>19113377
You're like half nip, so you're biased

>>19113117
It'd be embarrassing for China as a civilization if a peripheral island floating in a backwater which only became cultured through Chinese influence were to beat it at its own game.

>>19113769
Japan wasn't ever really a backwater; it was definitely more economically and politically developed than the usual nations peripheral to China even during medieval times.

>>19113784
Being more highly developed than Korea isn't much of an achievement.

>>19113478
I realized you don't have a sense of humor. I’ll put it simply. This Book is completely available for download in two clicks - which I did. Thanks for the information.

>>19113117
Japanese, easy. COMIC LO is written in Japanese, and there are many untranslated works from it. I'm willing to reconsider if you can name me any literature from China that brings a quarter of that value to my life as COMIC LO. However, Japan's rich literary tradition will be hard to beat. Some of my other favorite: Towako and Otoko no Ko-llection!

>>19113117
japan has culture besides anime and porn?

>>19114045
kek

>>19113484
>You're like half nip
Source?

>>19114424
the fact that your eyes are so squinty that when I astral project into your body I can barely see a damn thing.

>>19114272
btfod

I find Chinese literature to be impenetrable and unappealing. I’ve read a pretty good amount of Japanese literature.

>>19113117
>>19113141
Cosign this. Japanese literature from 1000 to 1800 was pretty boring desu. But they're way better than China nowadays.

>>19113117
fuck Japan

Neither are that interesting or impressive until the advent of modernism at which point Japan surpasses China permanently.

>>19113141
>>19113769
>>19114717
FUCK THE CCP
FREE HONG KONG

>>19115426
TIBET TAIWAN HONG KONG IS PRAGER U NEOLIBERAL AYN RAND CIA

>>19115440
SCHIZO CCP SHILL

I WANT AN ASIAN GIRLFRIEND!!!!!!!!!!!!! AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

As someone’s who doesn’t speak those language, I can’t judge their poetry. As far as prose is concerned, I prefer Japan’s 19th and 20th entry output to China’s classics.

Japanese sounds more pleasant so I am going with them.

>>19113156
>Reading asian lit

>>19113117
China by far, there is no competition here

>>19115533
THIS SO MUCH THREE BODY PROBREM, BIG CHUNGZI HIMSELF, LAO-TZOO, RED MANSIONS FOREIGN LANGUAGE PRESS, CANT FORGET THE POETS

Classical China > Modern Japan (arguably) = Classical Japan >>>>> commie braindead modern chinkoids

>>19115557
>BIG CHUNGZI HIMSELF
kek

Japan.

I have Chinese neighbours.

Arrogant, scheming insects vs repressed, barbaric perverts

Who wins? YOU decide!

>>19115601
>Arrogant, scheming insects vs repressed, barbaric perverts

It really is the France vs Germany of the east.

>>19115603
Which is which? The Germans are certainty more insect-like than the French, but the latter certainly aren’t repressed.

>>19115610
Yeah, he should've said Germs vs Anglos.

>>19113141
Look at him go!

I remember my first day as gap year ESL teacher in the Chinese provinces. I made it past falling masonry, over disintegrating sidewalks and styrofoam bridges to the middle school I was to work at. For the first lesson, the principal and other teachers stood watching. Class had 50+ students. All identical w/ bowl cuts and jumpsuit uniform. I introduce myself, tell them a little about where I come from and ask them what other countries they know about. In the middle of the class sat a gigantic fat kid with stubble and monobrow, way older and larger than his classmates, he screams ONREE ONE COUNTRY...CHINER. I suddenly find myself floating above the classroom looking down at myself and the principal and wishing I back home in Europe playing Skyrim at my mom's house.

>>19113127
This is a Chinese or Korean narrative. Eternally butthurt.

>>19113117
China is a shithole with a fake culture where everything comes off as hollow and plastic where most of the people are illiterate and their language is pure dog shit and sounds terrible.

>>19115643
How many Chinese girls did you bang though?

>>19115690
So does Japanese tbqhwyfamlam

>>19115721
Maybe, I don't know much about Japan but at least their language is pleasant.

>>19113117
japan copied everything from china, but japan also preserved and integrated it all much better than china.

>>19115690
that's what poverty and communism does to a country

>>19115711
> playing skyrim at my mom's house
what do you expect? he's an incel obviously he wouldn't have the guts to bang girls even in his wildest dreams

>>19115900
whoa ho ho you're in for it now buddy

>>19115723
Can you even tell the difference between Beijing and Taiwanese mandarin? How about Hakka and Cantonese? Shanghai-ese? China is as big as Europe

>>19113117
Anyone who isn't delusional will obviously answer China.

>>19115557
this but unironically

>>19115923
Hanification has changed a lot of that. Those languages are all too harsh, very unpleasant.