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woowee do these tiddies stank lol

>>19083447
>Orthodox
>Christian
Call no man "Father".

>>19083447
>literal who
Holy kek anon

I hate how you faggots have to make serious men that think, say, and write serious things into some kind of stupid meme format. BASED ORTHO BROS DESTROYS MODERNITY!! OH NO NO NO NO LOOK AT THE TOP ATHEISM'S HEAD AHAHAHAH

fuck you, op

>I hate how you faggots have to make serious men that think, say, and write serious things into some kind of stupid meme format. BASED ORTHO BROS DESTROYS MODERNITY!! OH NO NO NO NO LOOK AT THE TOP ATHEISM'S HEAD AHAHAHAH
>fuck you, op

>>19083605
As a guenonfag I can only agree with you

>>19083605
It's just fun banter.
You do know how to have fun d-don't you, anon?

You can't destroy nondual truth unless you have no understanding or experience with it. It's verifiably true.

>>19083544
>>19083578
>>19083593
>>19083605
>>19083714
>>19083847
It's a shame you can't use incense in 4chan threads.
It would gas the so many demons infesting it.

>>19083879
Yeah the demons seem to crawl out of the woodwork on mentioning Fr. Seraphim's name.

>>19083879
>>19083907
>calls men "Father"
>worships Mary and saints
>prays to others besides God
>calls others demons

>has a buddhist phase, then a guenon phase, then an ebin orthodox phase (that lasts for the rest of his life)
This dude would've browsed /lit/ if he had been born later lmao

>>19083928
>phase (that lasts for the rest of his life)
what did he mean by this

>>19083939
>what did he mean by this
got filtered by Guenon so he withdrew in the orthodox safe place where everyone else is le bad

>>19083939
Since he didn't live forever, it was still a phase

>>19083955
I don't even like Guenon and this is true
Orthodoxy (or Christianity in general) provides you with the perfect tools to disregard everything else with muh prelest, muh demons and other fear mongering. Rose got filtered

>>19083975
>Orthodoxy (or Christianity in general) provides you with the perfect tools to disregard everything else with muh prelest, muh demons and other fear mongering.

>>19083976
>prides himself on being ignorant and fearful
kek
You do what you want kid, in the end you're the one wasting your life on a dead-end. But you'll grow out of this phase like you've grown out of the others, most likely

Can’t take anyone who denies evolution seriously

>>19083975
I have been reading some of this orthodox refutations of hinduism, buddhism (basically living non-abrahamic religions) and their arguments are directed only towards new age or occultist interpretations of those religions. Is really incredible how these people imagine that they can so easily refute religions with thousands of years of sages and sacred texts. The real evil here is the sentimentalist and moralist ignorance of the christians.

>>19084094
>reading refutations
This kind of sterile debate leads nowhere.

>>19084109
The truth is that all debates are meaningless when you start repeating the same thing over and over again, like we have done on many occasions on this site. Advaita threads are the best example for this.

Hindutrannys and Buddhatrannys seething
You will never be a woman
You will always be a white westerner
Enlightenment isnt real and neither are caste systems and magic cow dung

>>19084296
based. go rub some more poop into your you dirty pajeets lmfaao.

>>19084094
The context behind those refutations is that at that time (in the 1970s) the New Age movement was experiencing a renaissance, so everybody was talking about going Eastern and whatnot. Rose was primarily writing for a Western audience afflicted by this new surge in popularity of New Age stuff.

>>19084342
Doesn't change the fact that he never refuted the traditions themselves, only the diluted new age garbage that spawned from western misunderstandings.
Not that it matters since theological refutations of other sects are always cancer and never insightful.

>>19084344
Well, yeah, but that wasn't his goal. Maybe the Goa Inquisition produced something.

>>19084342
Rose claimed to have read all of Guneon's book which he could put his hands on, yet he seems to forget all of it in favour of christian sentimentalism and moralism, exactly what Guenon warned us about.

>>19083907
Where do they touch you when they come?

>>19083928
more like /pol/

>>19084342
Well, yeah? That's literally what he was. His LARPing as a Russian Monk was just the latest fad he took up. Why do you think he had such a boner for Aerial Tollhouses?

>>19084094
Makes sense, it's completely impossible to refute truth so I knew that would be the case.

>>19084042
>denies evolution
Absolutely based.
Evolution is the gnostic heresy stating that God creates new essences with the help of death. It's an absolutely absurd doctrine.

>>19084435
>yet he seems to forget all of it
That's a good thing. Guenon had some nice insights for someone unenlightened by the Holy Spirit, but that's it. His value is of a mere stepping stone for some people who see the faults with modernity. Following his actual teachings will only lead to hellfire.

>>19084839
kek
you people are walking talking memes

>>19084094
>thousands of years of sages and sacred texts
Demons have existed for about 7000 years so it would not be surprising that their teachings are ancient. Buddhism and other such religions can easily be seen to be false as they promote extreme pride instead of humility. It's a satanic inversion of true asceticism.

>>19084839
>essences
Don't exist

I wonder if people like >>19084847 realize how utterly ridiculous they sound to people who haven't bought into their bullshit. It's jarring.

>>19083928
He was also a repressed homosexual like many /pol/tards. He'd fit right in here

>>19084852
That's not the only thing in his post he wrongly assumes the existence of

>>19083578
Jesus also tells us to honour our father and our mother. What do we call our father if we want to honour him but not call him what he is? Thanks "guy who had sex with my mom" doesn't really seem all that honourable of a title.

Paul also refers to Abraham as a father and Philip calls the Sanhedrin "fathers and brothers."

Clearly, Jesus was saying something deeper that had to do with the context of the situation itself.

>>19084855
>how utterly ridiculous they sound

For the message of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. For it is written:

“I will destroy the wisdom of the wise;
the intelligence of the intelligent I will frustrate.”

Where is the wise person? Where is the teacher of the law? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not know him, God was pleased through the foolishness of what was preached to save those who believe. Jews demand signs and Greeks look for wisdom, but we preach Christ crucified: a stumbling block to Jews and foolishness to Gentiles, but to those whom God has called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. For the foolishness of God is wiser than human wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than human strength.

>>19084877
I can't be bothered reading more copypasted uninspired drivel from your book, talk to me like a normal human being or don't bother responding

>>19084855
>nooo I am literally God! Trust me! Its hard to see but when you pray to this demon you will see it! We were God all along bro It's not pride!

>>19083926
He venerates them. Learn the difference. If you don't believe in veneration, then you don't believe a son should be able to honour his father and his mother, which is against the commandments. From the earliest time in the Church, there has been this acknowledged difference between worship (called latria, which is only for God) and veneration (called dulia, which is due to the saints). You are ignorant of the history of your own Church.

>>19084892
Gods and demons don't exist and deep down you know it. Stop larping.

>>19084900
>Gods and demons don't exist

>>19084900
Only absolute bugmen materialists believe in this. The existence of daemons is a given experienced fact for anyone outside the modern McDonalds world.

>>19084928
I know it's hard to accept but I didn't ask for your selfie.
>>19084934
Sure thing kid. Today it's demons, tomorrow it'll be whatever new fad you'll latch onto to give yourself a sense of belonging and identity. You'll think back on it when you turn 25.

>>19084939
I grew up in a country which regularly prays to demons and I know of their existence first-hand, so no.

>>19084967
Yes, all religions are wrong except yours, I know the drill. Some zoomer is probably going to quote this too accompanied by a chad reaction pic because tradcath larpers for some reason pride themselves on fanatical dogmatism and self-delusion.
Anyway; I know christians in real life (actual christians, not larpers like on /lit/) who are decent people, if you have genuine faith and practice what you preach, that's fine. It's juvenile larpers like you who make people sick of the evangelizing.

>>19084979
>Yes, all religions are wrong except yours

>>19085069
Yes, and now some other underage larper (or yourself) will answer "based" to your post
We did it reddit!

>>19084979
>fanatical dogmatism
Nothing wrong with this.
>self-delusion
Christianity promotes enlightenment, not self-delusion (which would be the teachings of men detached from Christ).

>>19085069
Based, brother.

>>19085091
kek holy fucking shit
I'm having trouble distinguishing bait from "honest" larp at this point, I need to take a break from this place

>>19085116
You're just too damaged from atheistic materialistic nihilism and can't see good or truth or honesty anymore. Come back home, anon.

>>19084899
The 10 commandments specify not to bow to them. Sons need not bow to their fathers nor mothers in order to honor them. I am well aware of the Orthodox using weasel words in the attempt to explain and wave things away, but using a different word for something doesn't change what that something is. You literally worship wafers too. It's idols all the way down.

>>19085165
I had a christian phase like you quite a while ago, and it was the most dishonest and laughably insincere period of my life. Eventually the sheer cognitive dissonance made me snap out of it. I suspect this will be the case for most of you as well, the rest being too far gone.
You need to learn to accept that your story about a rabbi rising from the dead is just not that compelling to a lot of people, and that threatening these people with eternal torture doesn't help your case.
>can't see good or truth or honesty
Indeed, the tradcath shilling has obscured all of these things.

>>19085116
keep spouting the word LARP whilst you do nothing to improve your life nor soul

>>19085194
And again we have an instance of the projecting larper who believes that because he uses christianity as a cope to feel a sense of belonging and identity, everyone else must be as lost and aimless as him.

>>19085205
keep spouting the word LARP whilst you do nothing to improve your life nor soul
I'm a Christian because I know it to be true.

>>19085208
We're reaching levels of cope and projection that shouldn't be possible.

>>19085208
how can you know christianity to be true when belief in it is based on faith, not knowledge?

>>19085535
my intuition

>>19085535
Faith induces true knowledge, and nothing else.

>>19085562
>>19085631
COPIVS MAXIMVS

Is this the McOrthodox drive thru?

>>19085069
Dangerously based.

>>19084296
Based

>>19085535
From the last chapter of Chesterton’s Orthodoxy:
> If I am asked, as a purely intellectual question, why I believe in Christianity, I can only answer, "For the same reason that an intelligent agnostic disbelieves in Christianity." I believe in it quite rationally upon the evidence. But the evidence in my case, as in that of the intelligent agnostic, is not really in this or that alleged demonstration; it is in an enormous accumulation of small but unanimous facts. The secularist is not to be blamed because his objections to Christianity are miscellaneous and even scrappy; it is precisely such scrappy evidence that does convince the mind. I mean that a man may well be less convinced of a philosophy from four books, than from one book, one battle, one landscape, and one old friend.

>>19083578
Okay, everybody. Let's call him "Baba Seraphim Rose" instead, because the english word 'Father' is off-limits.

Orthodox Christian threads here make retards seethe here like nothing else.

Online Orthodox are typically on the same level of discourse as the average kekistani.
Wow Chad based absolutely destroyed fedora Daddy Seraphim Rose.

>>19087112
Patér and that which is derived from it via translation. Jesus spoke it straight and clear, I'm sure He admires your smugness and making jokes of it.

And if one pays very close attention to the entire rant that He is giving, he is also telling them to not take such titles for themselves, either. All of this whole "title" and institutionalized "leadership" hierarchy leads to deep sicknesses, perversions of both self view and that of the congregations. We are all merely siblings in Christ.

>>19087076
I saw that Bailey man straight faced claim to be holding a piece of the actual cross of Christ's crucifixion and a fragment of Lazarus' bones. They sell on eBay in the same little plastic containers for about $400. I can't recall whom nor the exact quote, but there was someone many years ago that said something to the effect of there were enough pieces of the cross in Europe to have massive quantities of wood. Incidentally I also ran up on a place on the Vatican website that linked to auctions of them.

>>19084979
You're talking points are all basic Dawkins-tier midwit atheistic. You're embarrassing yourself

>>19083907
>destroys modernity
>destroys atheism
>destroys advaita
>destroys evolution
>Yeah the demons seem to crawl out of the woodwork on mentioning Fr. Seraphim's name.
Based no self-awareness anon

>>19087112
And yet the argument that Allah is a moon god is sound? Yes I lurked in this thread for a chance to gotcha someone.

Christians are possessed by harmful spirits

>>19087866
Allah is not a moon god but Islam is clearly a form of Satanic deception. Muslims aren’t aware of this though.

>>19088246
Only within the Christian framework, but that's not saying much because simple deviance from a certain conception of dogma constitutes "Satanic deception."

>>19088307
Yes, from a Christian framework, because even from evidentialistic approaches to the available information it is more sound than the Islamic heresies of Muhammad, a man who never even talked with God, but rather a a demon LARPing as an angel.

>>19088324
Christcucks never understand that Allah (swt) sent down Jibril in order to avoid the Christian heresy of Shirk. If he came down personally you would have Muslims thinking this might have been a separate entity whereas in reality it was a servant of Allah (swt).

>>19087283
"Baba" doesn't come from greek pater, so I guess I'm safe. I'm glad I don't call my baba "father" :(((

I hope someone told St Paul that he sinned by referring to himself as a father multiple times in the bible. And I hope anyone who ever called Abraham a father of many nations also becomes aware that they sinned.

>>19088324
>Muhammad, a man who never even talked with God

>>19089895
Muslims are an odd bunch, they make such wild claims against Christians yet they truly know they're misinterpreting everything.
How could they know what they're talking, particularly when discussing divine matters, when their general IQ and potential has been destroyed due to the encouraged first-cousing breeding?

>>19083447
Didn't destroy pagan beliefs, he mainly attacked the new age movement, and leaving the nonchristian beliefs untouched.

>>19083447
For me it's the writings of Bishop Ryle.

>>19089244
>>19089895
Your presupposition (taught to you by this alleged Gabriel) is that Allah sent down an Angel to communicate with Muhammad, but there’s only this alleged Gabriel’s word to go off of. Again, Muhammad never talked with God like the prophets of the Bible did. Ergo it makes sense to doubt the message of the Qur’an, especially since surah 5:47 says for Christians to judge the Qur’an by the Gospels. Since the Qur’an denies almost every central doctrine of Christianity, the Qur’an self-refutes. Don’t give me any ‘Injeel’ crap. It doesn’t exist and you only believe in it based off your presupposition that the Qur’an is true

>>19088324
>the available information

>>19090494
>"bishop" ryle
>He was a strong believer in the return of the Jews to their own land

>>19090488
It’s all the same pagan bullshit

>>19090524
The schizo that edits the wiki page leaves out the last part (see pic) about their mass conversion to Christianity, a view held by most Christians throughout history.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conversion_of_the_Jews#Christian_liturgy

>>19090519
Yes, even from commonly-accepted historical facts agreed upon by secular scholars a case for the resurrection can be made. But there’s more than that, every non-Christian early source agrees with the Christian sources on a skeletal framework of the trajectory Jesus’ career—he was the Christ and he was crucified by Pontius Pilate. The Qur’an denies historical facts due to gnostic / docetic influences. None of the early independent Christian sources teach anything like what Islam does. It is a heresy that popped up 600 years later to undermine Christianity in the Middle East. There’s also no evidence for the corruption that Muslims are required to believe in. There are multiple thousands of NT manuscripts, fragments and quotations that all agree with each other on 99% of the texts, and there is ample evidence that the OT has never been changed either, since the Jews have many parts of the same canon today, which contains the exact same messianic prophecies that Jesus fulfilled

>>19090524
>>19090551
also
>strong believer
Is bs. I've only ever come across that one quote out volumes and volumes I've read.

>>19090555
What is the case that secular historians have made for the resurrection? Him being called "the Christ" and being crucified I can possibly understand, but the resurrection?

>>19090555
>the Qur'an denies historical facts
Usually, those who ask for signs and rely on only what they see, being empiricists on one occasion and dogmatists on another whenever it fits their desires, are those who are destroyed by God for their disbelief. God has spoken, so it is upon you to be quiet, but the disbelievers will never be quiet until they are destroyed.

>>19083447
To understand Orthodox Christianity, you need to study the Bible and the writings of the Church Fathers. In addition, I would recommend these authors:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Meyendorff
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges_Florovsky
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Schmemann
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vladimir_Lossky

Also
https://energeticprocession.wordpress.com/reading/
https://energeticprocession.wordpress.com/2020/01/03/on-books-and-the-spiritual-life/
+
https://svspress.com/

>>19083879
Why are all Orthodox converts such spastic spergs?
(Asking as an Orthodox myself)

>>19090589
You’re misunderstanding, and it might be because I worded my post badly. With the collection of facts that most scholars agree upon (empty tomb, postmortem appearances, the origin of the belief in the resurrection, etc), the resurrection of Jesus is the most plausible explanation of the facts compared to any other. William Lane Craig has made numerous videos about this on Youtube if you want to dig them up later. Of course the case isn’t bulletproof, nor should it be the main reason one believes.

>>19090609
Remember that Muhammad never spoke with God and the Qur’an is self-refuting based on what it tells Christians to do.

>>19090617
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Schmemann
Wasn't he modernist who believed the Eucharist was not a means of personal sanctification?

>>19090642
Because autism enables us to disregard certain webs of illusion and search more closely for genuine truth, which ultimately leads us to Christ.

>>19090675
Yeah but you don't gotta be so annoying.
So many converts that think they know it all.

>>19090684
I don't see what is annoying in stating the truth about people acting demonically.

>>19090695
>people acting demonically
See that's the thing, the world isn't as black and white as you think, there are nuances, and besides, you will not get anyone on your side if you call them "demonic".
Also most Orthobros are just plain annoying and don't understand the culture, they make it into a meme.

>>19090656
>what is the night journey

>>19090721
>yeah akhi I totally flew on buraq and haggled with Allah over the number of prayers to do, trust me akhi
Hard-hitting evidence right here. The entire Qur’an comes from the mouth of a demon

>>19085631
That's fucking wrong you nigger, read Grammatology of Assent by Cardinal Newman

>>19090733
seethe

>>19090525
Its not though, unless you force everything nonchristian into same box.

>>19083447
Isn't it funny how ethnicity is so important to the so called "orthodox" christians? I wasn't aware that Christ has many bodies of various nationalities.

>>19090734
>Cardinal Newman
>Cardinal
He's condemned by belief in filioque heresy. I don't trust false shepherds.

>>19090642
They're ortholarpers. Many such cases.

>>19090740
It’s clear you have no rebuttal, so I wish you the best anon and hope you find Jesus.

>>19090744
There’s truth, and there’s falsehood. Christ is the way, the truth and the life.

>>19090714
But they do follow the spirit of the antichrist by making insulting remarks about Christ and His people. You can't get around this without allegorizing away the existence of spirits who will the spiritual death of man. No man would naturally speak ill about Christ because man's nature is good. He would need to be tempted by a demon in some way to do so.
>but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world.

>are just plain annoying
Maybe this is a problem with you? I generally do not find any Orthodox annoying, not even pagans or other such groups, I just pity them and want them to convert.

>>19090751
Im just sick of westerners man, they have nothing and they just cling onto anything they can find. I'm not mad that they wanna ne Orthodox, it's great, but the way they approach it is terrible. Most Orthodox converts will probably find something else in a few years.
They are all very prideful people too.

>>19090518
>Muhammad never talked with God like the prophets of the Bible did
Damn I guess the Isra and Mi'raj never happened.
>Don’t give me any ‘Injeel’ crap. It doesn’t exist and you only believe in it based off your presupposition that the Qur’an is true
Isn't this the same argument atheists use to say Christian invented the concept of Satan as a single figure in opposition to God? Sure you could say the only basis of the corruption of the other faiths is the Qur'an, but you could make the same argument regarding any matter of faith that isn't supported by physicalism.

>>19090771
>man's nature is good
Man's nature is fallen

>>19085189
You're just a judaizer, like all prots. You don't know shit about anything. Stick to Bible thumping from the masoretic text.

>>19085193
This anon is sadly right. Too many Xstian LARPers on 4chan.

>>19090771
>Maybe this is a problem with you
The problem is not mine, the problem is with this day 1 converts that act like they know everything about Orthodoxy.
Thats what makes me think they are just doing it cause it's the new "based and redpilled" thing to do.
Its great they wanma be Orthodox, they are just extremely unhumble.

>>19090749
>Only schismatic Greeks and some slavs go to heaven
>Every other faithful apostolic Christian is condemned
Doubt it

>>19090749
Cringeworthy reply.

>>19090782
>Damn I guess the Isra and Mi'raj never happened.
Muh buraq, trust me bro!
>invented the concept of Satan as a single figure in opposition to God?
We’re talking about the existence of an entire text, anon.

>>19090782
>>19090721
>what are the Satanic verses
Muhammad can’t be trusted

>>19090947
>Muh buraq, trust me bro!
This is the muh talking snake argument man, and that's fine if you're an atheist but otherwise you're not being consistent. You were saying there's no instance in which Muhammad purportedly spoke to God, why is the Isra and Mi'raj any more difficult to believe than Moses' conversation with the burning bush? Just saying your standards seem a tad arbitrary.
>We’re talking about the existence of an entire text, anon.
My point is that it could be argued that Christians largely invented the figure of Satan based on the figure in the Book of Job, much in the same sense that certain individuals say Christianity is nothing more than a Jewish offshoot. your argument is based on the fact that there is no evidence of a Bible inn which divine unity was argued, but what do you then make of archeological finds regarding Yahweh's pre-Jewish status as a member of a Semitic pantheon? Or any other claim archeology supposed trumps the Bible on? Why use nu-atheist arguments against other faiths if your kind so often derides those arguments when they're used against your own faith? If you are a Christian of course. I'm just saying, this level of argumentation is very uninteresting.

>>19090989
I've never gotten this bit in particular, the idea of the verses is to explain how sin is based on intention in these sorts of situations. Muhammad never sinned, he was not in control. According to the internal logic of the Qur'an, if this had ever occurred before, or ever would occur again, God would once again correct the Prophet (PBUH). There's no need to bring of the verses if your argument is that the Qur'an can't be trusted, if you don't buy into the internal logic of the Qur'an just say the whole thing is Satanic nonsense and be done with it. No need to go to these weird lengths to use the Qur'an to justify your point.

>>19090784
That is to say susceptible to internal demonic temptation, which is very much the point of that post.

>>19090822
>Only Greeks and some slavs
Also many people in Western Europe, North Africa for the ~1000 years of the Church there and of course people from the Middle East. And even Americans in modern times, there are American saints venerated all over the Orthodox World, so you have hope, anon.
>Every other faithful apostolic Christian is condemned
Every other 'apostolic' Christian is not faithful to the apostles, but to their own heretical version of their teaching. That is why they are condemned. Heresy is a severe sin just like bestiality (arguable even worse), you can't be saved when you believe in it or teach it.

>>19090776
>They are all very prideful people too.
Can you explain what is prideful in acknowledging the existence of demons and their activity in 4channel threads?
Every time I see people complaining about Western converts it seems to be cradle Orthodox who are very liberal/modernist minded.

>>19091110
Because you were catholic 200 years ago protestant 100 neo protestant 50 and today you decide you're orthodox

You dont care about god or demons, you just get high off the feeling of thinking you're right

>>19091145
I'm not from any of those countries, I'm Russian and never ever considered Protestantism or Roman Catholicism as legitimate. It's great that people who were Roman Catholics or protestants decided to be Orthodox. Only a demon-influenced person would see any problem whatsoever with this or try to shame them.
But how does my nationality impact the truth of the existence of fallen angels who operate in 4channel threads?

>>19091186
>But how does my nationality impact the truth of the existence of fallen angels who operate in 4channel threads?

>>19091186
>I'm russian

You're a mutt. A rootless global cosmopolitan mutt from the stock of similar soviet noviops. You dont know what Orthodoxy is. Russians are schismatics.

>>19090822
>Only schismatic Greeks and some slavs go to heaven
>Every other faithful apostolic Christian is condemned

That would actually be pretty funny and cool

>>19091202
How can you be sure that Constantinople is not in heresy right now, since several times Constantinople was rife with heresies like Monothelitism and Iconoclasm, and it was actually Rome that was Orthodox at that time, resisting whatever new fad the Eastern Roman emperor came up with?
Because God is a Serb, eh?

>>19091202
>You dont know what Orthodoxy is.
How do you have such perfect knowledge about me? Please do enlighten me about what Orthodoxy is.
>Russians are schismatics.
But Russians didn't try to legitimatize a schismatic church in another patriarchate's jurisdiction. Why would they be schismatic for defending their jurisdiction over their canonical area and not giving legitimacy to an uncanonical church when there is already a canonical church in that territory?

>>19090822
>>Only schismatic Greeks and some slavs go to heaven
>>Every other faithful apostolic Christian is condemned

16 “I am sending you out like sheep among wolves. Therefore be as shrewd as snakes and as innocent as doves.

>>19091304
I wont indulge in your topical interest of the political polemics of my religion because thats the only side you ortholarpers even engage with online. Identity politics but switching niggers and whites with various patriarchies. FUCK YOU COCKSUCKER. Russia is shit, its not representative of orthodoxy, and its not a real orthodox country in absolutely any sense imaginable.

>>19091427
What is canonic? Russia itself is a schismatic church who broke off from the authority of Constantinople in the 15th century, then having the audacity to claim itself as the third rome to satisfy imperialistic ambitions.. the same ambitions it tried to pull in Ukraine which Constantinople tried to temper reminding them Russia was in exactly the same position as UOC was back in the 15 century. In absolute buttblasted frustration her left wing state department couldnt sway influence in Ukraine, Russia broke off all ties with Constantinople

RUSSIA

Who is the schismatic here? You fucking ass licking hypocrite

>>19090990
The so-called perfect verbatim word of God came from the mouth of a being LARPing as an angel and not from God, that is the point. The buraq shit is just shitposting.

The rest of your post again misses the entire point. There’s no such thing as the injeel, and when Christians are asked to look at their scriptures by the author of the Qur’an, it clearly does not accord with the teachings of Jesus and can therefore be discarded immediately. 5,000+ NT manuscripts can’t all be wrong

>>19083447
>christians in modernity
sounds more like the inklings desu

>>19083447
>Destroys...
And yet all these are doing good and well...
And here you are, fishing for (you)'s

>>19091084
>Also many people in Western Europe, North Africa for the ~1000 years of the Church there and of course people from the Middle East.
Oh, yeah? Then why are you so triggered of Augustine's importance in those 1000 years of western "orthodoxy"? And why do you despise Charlemagne? You claim that the west was "orthodox" for 1000 years but you don't agree with almost anything (the exception being the christian celts) from that period. You are just a bunch of hypocrites.

>>19087859
You see this type of posting format can be identified easily as a shill/demon. Misuse of cultural vocabulary as well as a passive aggressive tone, definitely written by a female or female-minded person.

>>19092263
In terms of logic, I'd assume.

>>19091796
>FUCK YOU COCKSUCKER. Russia is shit, its not representative of orthodoxy
Very Christian of your phyletist heresy of worshipping your smallish nation instead of the man you have on the icons. You will kiss the Turk's ass anyway, and you will like it.

where's the philip sherrard love?

>>19083447
How did he refute evolutionism?

>>19093971
He destroyed it with facts and logic

>everyone I don’t like is a demon
>anything that doesn’t conform to my worldview 100% is demonic
>feeling actual fear over different opinions is based ok?!?!?!

>>19085193
Good Post. In the Middle Ages at least the theologians were master logicians. All these christlarpers are operating on pure emotion and intuition, and basically converted because of memes. Embarrassing

>>19095026
>>everyone I don’t like is a demon
>>anything that doesn’t conform to my worldview 100% is demonic
>>feeling actual fear over different opinions is based ok?!?!?!

>>19095026
>>feeling actual fear over different opinions is based ok?!?!?!
Unironically this. When I hear people preaching heresy it makes me physically ill. I am afraid of imagining the consequences for my eternal soul of holding these beliefs.

>>19095026
>anything that doesn’t conform to my worldview 100% is demonic

how is modernity even pronounced?
moder-nity
or
modern-ity

>>19093167
OK LARPer

>>19095141
>>19095160
>>19095162
Extremely based and blessed

When will Seraphim Rose’s book on Genesis get reprinted? It costs way too much for a physical copy. I know it’s online but still

>>19097335
I'm on the belief that if someone truly wants to read or learn something, they'll use whatever means is readily available to them.

>>19085189
You say these are idols. Were the statues of Cherubim that flanked the holy of holies idols? What about the holy of holies itself? What about the images of vines and such on the temple walls? Were those graven images? What about the gold plates adorned with jewels worn by the priests of the Israelites? You are a hypocrite.

>>19095070
This post is in bad faith. There's a fair amount of decent theological discussion here if you know where to look.

The sheer vitriol that the mere mention of Orthodoxy seems to engender in some people is really interesting. All this *larper!* *larper!* *larper!* nonsense is so disingenuous. There are more people shouting "larper" here than there are people talking about Orthodoxy. What are you people who despise the thought of others converting getting out of this?

>>19098110
Can you point it out to me anon?

>>19098132
I'm unironically convinced it is demonic in nature. They sense that a person is getting loose of the devil's hold on him and can't do anything but cry out baseless insults.
Blessed Fr. Seraphim also seems to activate them very much, which vindicates a lot of his writing about the modern world.

>>19098148
>I'm unironically convinced it is demonic in nature.
There's definitely something unusually disordered about it. You get people here decrying Islam and various denominations of Christianity all the time, but, for Orthodoxy, it's always on another level. It's like they want to destroy the very prospect of conversion itself, rather than simply denigrate the faith.

>>19098132
They ultimately hate any sort of sincerity and think that it must be some sort of assumed identity.

>>19085194
What do you bet, pic related is not your life. You are LARPing dude, and your politics most definetely supercedes your faith.

>>19098626
It may not be my life but is my goal, at least I do something with my free time, unlike you, heretic.

>>19098667
You're posting on a Vietnamese basket weaving forum kek.

Don't get me wrong, I like fr. seraphim, but he's certainly not someone to gawk over. His fixation on niche theology, and the topics he choose to write on, are mostly there to induce fear for the sake of being niche (or vice versa). The most important work he did was being a translator, helping bring texts to the english speaking world, and not being the masturbatory prophet of a dark age converts make him out to be. His major writings, excluding things like 'god's revelation to the human heart', shouldn't be read by those coming into the faith as it is better to come to christ out of love than fear, and fr. seraphim writes mostly about fearful and controversial topics. It's no wonder more orthodox christian converts read people like cs lewis than rose, because one writes to the general christendom while the other keeps himself firmly in the fringe.
Chill out on the aesthetic fetishization of our faith brothers, not everyone who isn't a zealous russophilic traditionalist is an apostate or a demon.