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he btfo's church and organised religion, not christianity
they are not the same

He failed to address:

1. The sacrifice to end all sacrifices
2. Christianity is an effective tool for removing evil spirits

>>19092058
>removes evil spirits
>priesthood is renowned for molesting kids

>>19092090
What is the ratio of the good and bad priests?

If you're going to reject Christianity because there are horrible members then you should also reject using the police and education since they too have had bad members.

>>19092090
Not really.

>>19091047
>Christianity BTFO
Only christcucks give a shit, and since they are irreddemably masochistic they will continue to jack off to everyone else laughing at them for being morons until the umpteenth cumming

>>19092138
There's a reason Chrisspamming went hand in hand with the great poltrash incel flood that turned 4chan into a deluge of shit

>>19091047
No arguments will work with christcucks

>>19092058
>For two thousand years, Jesus has revenged himself on us for not having died on a sofa.

Cioran, All Gall is Divided

>>19092058
>How will I redeem this world?
>shall I ... end world hunger? Abolish slavery?
>I know! I'll spit in people's mouths and die on a stick.
Bravo, council of Nicea.

>Christianity is bad because...IT JUST IS OKAY!
-Some drug-addicted faggot who fried his brain and shot himself
Thompson was the product of the cultural rot of America and the covert MK Ultra psychodelic drug exoeriments. But it's no surprise you gaytheist retards would take childish petulance as an argument.

>>19092245
Both of those are unfeassble. You can never abolish suffering, only manage it. But you idealistic atheist faggots want all your problems solved for you.

>>19092058
>2. Christianity is an effective tool for removing evil spirits
but anon, when you make falsifiable claims, it makes you liable to getting btfoed by a dude in a labcoat

>>19092344
>Both of those are unfeassble.
So much for god's omnipotence.

>>19092422
And we're back to
>GOD ISN'T REAL BECAUSE HE WON'T SOLVE ALL MY PROBLEMS FOR ME!

>>19092344
>you atheists - too idealistic!
>be realistic like me, and pray to the bearded man in the sky.
This is a first, lol.

>NO MOM! I DON'T WANT TO GO TO CHURCH! I WANT TO DO ACID AND GO TO LAS VEGAS!

God won''t get off his ass and solve any problems though, let's not even say all of them

>>19092358
Well let's fund a study to test the efficacy of saying Christ's name as a means of preventing the phenomenon of "alien abduction".

>>19092440
Yes. Atheism is totally dysgenic and has produced nothing of value.

>>19092344
>you can never abolish suffering, only manage it.
Heaven bros, we got too cocky...

>>19092444
Stop being a faggot and learn some self-control.

>>19092458
I meant on Earth, but I think you knew that.

>>19092473
What, is god powerless all of the sudden? Miss me with that heresy lmao. Burn in hell, kikel.

>>19092510
Of course not, but what reason does God have to end all suffering on earth when man creates most of it for himself?

>>19092510
Suffering is the result of man's disobedience. As God has given us free will, and because of our fallen nature, suffering and the earth go hand in hand.

>>19092453
If you are unable to appreciate the gifts which Atheism (with a capital A) has bestowed upon us all, that is no skin off my teeth. I will not endeavor to cast my pearls before swine such as yourself.

>>19092516
>>19092519
>he could, but he doesn't
so much for his omnibenelovence.

>>19092440
>Bearded man in the sky
Do you even /lit/ bro?

>>19092540
Gifts like what? Rootless multiculturalism? Rampant sexual degeneracy?

>>19092138

I don't agree on your stance on the creation of the world, but you're free to your opinions.

>>19092334
Christianity is a genuine cure to what those trauma based mind controlled results came to be. Especially for monarch programming. They will pay for their crimes.

>Christianity bad because... uhm, fuck you, okay?

>>19092556
Heliocentrism, for a start.

>>19092581
The theory proposed by a Polish priest?

>>19092684
No, the theory proposed by an absolute and total atheist.

>>19092132
>What is the ratio of the good and bad priests?
1 good priest for every 100 pedophiles for every million charlatan thieves.

Religion is a third world phenomenon for a reason

>>19092758
>Religion is a third world phenomenon for a reason
Yes because people are too busy working to look inside and because children are indoctrinated into a scientific mindset that worships truth by concensus and disregards the paranormal because it is convenient to just ignore it or call it luck

>1 good priest for every 100 pedophiles for every million charlatan thieves.

Prove it. I think family members are probably more likely to touch you than a priest.

>>19092581
>Dude the stars orbit the sun lmao

>>19092132
Who fucking cares? Even if it was just one priest it's all about how the church handles it. But since it's actually a pretty common phenomenon, the way church deals with it tells us it's systematic.

ITT: confusing the path Jesus Christ openly speaks of in scripture with a branch of Christianity or a Church in general.

>>19092572
Based

>>19091047
Pretty sure Hunter did not meant Christianity as general Christianity but the organization. He seems to be respectful of God according to some other of his works.

>>19092441
>NO CHAD! I DON'T WANT TO DO ACID AND GO TO VEGAS! I WANT TO LISTEN TO PREACHER BOB TELL ME ABOUT RABBI YESHOUA ONE MORE TIME!

>>19094050
He clearly states he's talking about the religion, not the institution.

>>19094059
Do you retards honestly think Jews aren't the ones behind drug culture? Thompson was just another demoralized 60s retard who bought into a Jewish psyop against western traditions and religion.

>>19093979
>I'm a retarded faggot and I believe every demoralizing story the jews push about the church.

>>19094059
If you had read the book you would know it was a desperate scream and the sadness that came with the failure of the counter-culture movement.
By the way, why not Messiah Yeshoua, why not Rabbi Jesus or better, why not The Messiah Jesus.

>>19094088
Are you aware you just described yourself, tard?

>>19094113
Jews shouldn't even be a thing anymore. Anyone who still self identifies as a Jew is someone who openly denies Christ.

>>19094113
>No you!
Okay, fag. Go back to letting the Jew box tell you how to feel today.

>>19094135
>they don't like the thing i like

>>19094142
The God of the Jews started Christianity. The God of the Jews inspired prophets spoken of in the Jewish Torah who prophesied about Jesus Christ.

>>19094137
>jew box
The church?

>>19094154
The Church has been singularly hated by the Jews since its inception.

>>19094154
The Church is to recognize Christ as the Son of God, The Messiah and God in Earth.

>>19094078
>western traditions and religion
>implying

>>19094078
LSD was invented as a way to test unwilling subjects in attempts to control their minds through mind altering substances. These weren't the only drugs used in these tests.

>>19094214
>LSD was invented as a way to test unwilling subjects in attempts to control their minds
That's wrong, you are conflating MK-Ultra with the actual origin of LSD. LSD was accidentally first produced during unrelated research by a Swiss researcher on ergot derivatives for the purpose of treating some pregnancy- or other female-related medical condition

>>19094430
Thanks for the clarification.

>>19091047
>caring about the thoughts of a drug riddled pederast.

>>19093979
Christianity isn't about the church, it's about the words in red.

If all priests have a secret oath to pedophilia vs one bad actor out of a thousand -- thats the difference

>>19092432
If god cannot solve anything for me then why should I care about him?

>>19095962
>If my parents can't buy me everything I want, why should I care about them?

>>19095979
my parents are not almighty for starters
this is a retarded analogy

>>19096019
He is not a magic genie, it's about having a relationship with Him.

>>19096023
I'm just asking for him to exercise his power, and act according to his supposed nature

>problem of evil
it's a problem by your own making, you know?
other religions don't have ways to show their gods exist either, but at least they don't refute themselves

>>19096097
John 4:48
“Unless you people see signs and wonders,” Jesus told him, “you will never believe.”

>Thompson
>Nietzsche
>Himmler
>Bill Hicks
funny how the people who hate Christianity the most and call it weak tend to end up dying like suicidal/addicted/schizophrenic little bitches, innit

>>19093979
>But since it's actually a pretty common phenomenon

It really hasn't been since the late 90s. These days you're more likely to be molested by your uncle or your teacher than a priest. The Catholic Church is probably the only institution with a child abuse problem that actually did something about it in an effective way. Go look up the Dallas Charter.

>>19096128
I just want less suffering

>>19096148
We all do, but you need to face the reality of the matter that this world is in a fallen state. God has already given us a method of return to His grace, but no one cares to adhere to it. He has provided a way out of suffering, but majority turn their face away from Him. If people would just listen to Him, things wouldn't be how they are right now.

So what, you want God to just flip a switch and make everything better? Well guess what? Mankind is still in a fallen state, and so long as they refuse to do what God has shown us will return us to that higher state of being, mankind and this world will always eventually return to the state it's currently in today. He has provided a way out, it is up to each and every individual to seek that path and devote themselves to it.

>>19096128
Jesus knows we won't believe unless he sends signs and wonders? And he still withholds them?!?
What an asshole.
No but really. What meaning am I supposed to take from that verse?

>>19096160
You need to read the New Testament if you really want to know. A lot of people here just want mindless arguments.

>>19096158
>If people would just listen to Him
He has, by your own claims, the power to speak just as loudly as he needs in order to be heard.

>>19096170
Yes, but to what avail? He has done that in the past, and the people He spoke to would quickly go back to disobedience and serving false gods.

>>19096170
So now instead of telling us what to do, He has provided a path so that those who genuinely seek to rid themselves of this fallen state can seek Him out. In this way, only those who actually give a shit will do what is necessary, rather than Him having to deal with people who are only in it for the
>gibs

>>19096173
>He has done that in the past
Why not again? Did God change?

>>19096190
He not only did it in the past, He came down in the flesh and the people ended up killing Him. God never changed, He is how He is.

>>19091047
>waaagh Christians are mean. Stop reminding me that I could be a better person. Jesus would have let me do whatever I want.
what a loser.

>>19096121
>God not real because I got an owie
Why are atheists such emotional faggots?

>>19096193
God seemed to believe it held merit in previous attempts at communication, why would he stop?

>>19096242
Wow. You just solved the problem of evil.
Greatest thinker of all time.
(the problem is with your own claims being contradictory, I don't factor into this)

>>19096248
Because it didn't and despite Him doing crazy miracles in direct presence to Israel throughout the entirety of the OT, they STILL turned their backs on Him. They got all the proof they needed and more, and still disobeyed Him. So He clearly learned His lesson. Now, He made it so only the people who actually care will prove they do by adhering to the path that has been established by Jesus Christ. Instead of Him having to baby sit people who don't really care, now it's entirely up to each individual to take responsibility for what they truly want and devote themselves to it. Instead of overriding everyones freewill, He has made it so that people get to decide what they want out of life.

>>19096180
>this way, only those who actually give a shit will do what is necessary
That's very Calvinist of you, I'm surprised it not a more popular belief on this site, pretty edgy

>>19096265
>Because it didn't
Then why did he do it?
Do you suppose you know better than God (he knows everything, btw), lmao. Zero self awareness.

Why did God make the world if the world sucks so hard you need to spend your life learning about how not to care about it? I was taught in church that life was gift from God, that the beauty you find in nature is evident of God’s design. That’s why it’s a sin to commit suicide, because you a denying God’s gift.
But whenever people start talking about why bad things happen then suddenly life is supposed to be terrible and awful. You are supposed to suffer because suffering is the only way to get to Heaven. Becoming attached to this world is seen as a terrible decision to make and life is one long lesson
I don’t understand anymore
am I supposed to love life or hate it?

>>19096284
Do what, not work? Don't take my word for it, go read the Old Testament yourself.

>>19096268
No idea what a calvanist even is, I'm putting to practice what I learned in the Bible and I'm getting results. I'm trying to help others find the path but that's all I can do. It is up to each and every individual to take responsibility for their own lives and walk down the narrow path.

>>19096265
>They got all the proof they needed
clearly they did not

>He clearly learned His lesson
Borderline blasphemic take. No actually this is full-on sacrilege. God does not "learn lessons".

>>19091047
>junkie's opinion on religion
To the trash.

>>19096300
>God does not "learn lessons".
Why did He feel deep regret after the flood?

They did, God literally made bread rain from the sky and water spout out of a rock in the middle of the desert. And that was just the beginning.

>>19096248
Who knows? Maybe he only did it before to give us some historical reference as to why he doesn't do things that way normally. Personally, I think it's the wrong question, because he does speak with a booming voice, usually to our noetic faculty, but sometimes even audibly.

>>19096286
Suffering? Suffering is gay. Love is salvific, not suffering. In a fallen world, genuine love often entails suffering, but it is the love which redeems, not the suffering. The only thing redeemable about suffering is when we willingly volunteer to suffer out of love.

>>19096310
>Love is salvific, not suffering. In a fallen world, genuine love often entails suffering, but it is the love which redeems, not the suffering. The only thing redeemable about suffering is when we willingly volunteer to suffer out of love.
Beautifully said. God bless you.

>>19096298
>I'm trying to help others find the path
It's not working, desu

>>19096320
Says you. I have seen the fruits of my labor.

>>19096310
I still don’t understand how to world is “fallen” at all. How could it fall if God can do anything and know anything?

>>19096310
>Who knows? Maybe he only did it before to give us some historical reference as to why he doesn't do things that way normally. Personally, I think it's the wrong question, because he does speak with a booming voice, usually to our noetic faculty, but sometimes even audibly.
He speaks to those whom He knows have a heart and will actually listen.

>>19096306
>God never changed, He is how He is.
Huh?

>>19096345
Exodus 3:14
God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: ‘I AM has sent me to you.’”

>>19096341
Yeah. That's the Calvinist position. That only the elect few can get salvation in heaven, those already predetermined.

>>19096349
Then how can he "learn lessons" ?
>>19096306
Do you think this is coherent? (it's not)

>>19096355
I don't believe that. I believe that anyone who genuinely desires it has the potential. Though God puts those types through serious tests to see who they really are.

>>19096362
And those who doesn't have those desires?

>>19096312
Thank you, anon. Here's the longer version: https://invidious-us.kavin.rocks/watch?v=l2OtD5OkHHo

>>19096336
Tolkien's Ainulindale depicts it in a beautiful way. Have you read it? I recommend it, it's beautiful but I repeat myself. Book of Genesis also says it in a different way. In short, God extends his own creative capacity to others, and some of those others abuse it to sow discord in the creation, creating death and alienation. In the end, God resolves the discord in a grander music than what was there to begin with. That's the final eucatastrophe: death is transformed into glory.

>>19096359
>“Never again will I curse the ground because of humans, even though[a] every inclination of the human heart is evil from childhood. And never again will I destroy all living creatures, as I have done.

What is this but a sense of regret? Promising to never repeat an action in these conditions is a lesson learned, no? Man has free will, and despite God knowing every outcome in their lives, ultimately man has a choice how he wishes to live out that life. This is also why throughout the Bible, both in the OT and NT, He tests those who He feels are of good character.

>>19096371
You have free will to live however you want.

>>19096359
Genesis 6:6
6 The Lord regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled.

>>19096388
So his heart underwent a change?

>>19092132
But I already reject state-run police and education for exactly this reason?

>>19096391
No, He simply swore to Himself to never do what He did.

>>19096385
got an access denied message. it's okay though, what was already shared hit the spot perfectly.

The problem of evil only exists because retarded christians copied the avesta wrong.

Can one through ones own actions save another's persons souls by leading them to the right path?
If yes
How is that at all compatible with that other person's free will?
If you, a factor outside their own control, is the thing that brings them to salivation.

>>19096438
No. Every individual must willingly choose to walk the path. We can pray for them, warn them, instruct them; but due to free will they have to ultimately decide for themselves.

>>19096448
No. I mean in the sense of, could your actions play a deciding factor?

>>19096460
No, because salvation comes from a true and honest repentance and desire to seek out God.

>>19096466
So there is literally no point to proselytization?

>>19096485
I already said, you can lead someone to the gate, but it is entirely up to them to decide to walk down that path.

>>19096499
Leading someone to the gate - that's the part I'm talking about. Do you think that action, could ever make someone else, that wouldn't otherwise, walk down the path?

>>19096485
To answer directly, yes there is a point. But, again; all up to the individual if they even want to believe in what you're proseltyzing in the first place! Don't take this as discouragement, rather a challenge.

>>19096520
You can attempt to by being a good example.

Matthew 5:16
16 In the same way, let your light shine before others, that they may see your good deeds and glorify your Father in heaven.

Do not confuse this with doing things intentionally for others to see you though in an attempt to show off your righteousness. Be humble and sincere, not looking for human approval, but God's approval.

>>19096535
I'm focusing on the other person, the one being led to the gate.
How is their free will, the ability to save themselves, being upheld? If actions external to themselves, mainly being led to the gate, plays a role in them being saved or not.

>>19096561
Because they have to choose to walk down the path. You can't walk that path for them. The path entails trial. Anyone who isn't truly devoted to the path will fall away and crumble quickly.

>>19096571
But they can't cannot chose for the other person to even show them the gate in the first place. That's external to them, your decision.
You may chose to never talk to them, help someone else.

>>19096586
You're going to need to rephrase your posts better. It's starting to become broken english and I'm having a bit of trouble understanding what your point even is anymore. I mean no offense.

>>19095962
if god were at everyone's beck and call then people would believe in him for the wrong reasons, ie material gain, fear, power, coercion, etc
you are free whether to believe or not

>>19096414
>More pajeet fanfiction
I hate you faggots so much.

>>19096286
creation and life are good a priori
if you deny this, then you're dishonest if you do anything other than killing yourself

>>19096254
Explain why you think there's a contradiction. I need to know what degree of retard I'm dealing with.

I'm getting a bit tired of cathfags coming to LARP all over every single discussion of spirituality.

>>19096625
It's all love. Despite the disagreements, we still acknowledge the same Jesus Christ.

>>19096609
God's ability to prevent evil + him being wholly good
provided you accept there is evil in the world, and there could possibly be less

>>19091047
>Attacks capitalization
>Claims 'not us' with no further detail
>Continues to attack person(s) for 3 sentences
This is good argumentative writing to you?
Besides, Hunter would have never admitted his own hypocrisies since he willingly surrounded himself with drugs and demons. Giving him a counter-complex to the superiority he was damning.
The guy could splatter paint pretty well, and his writing prose is nice. However, the substance of both lack true purpose and reflect his demented soul.

>>19096629
>please daddy god make sure I don't stub my pinky otherwise I would get hurt and that would be EVIL
>wind me up like a marionette, do that for everyone in the world so that everything will be 100% good all the time, please strip me of any choice I could possibly make

>>19096628
I don't mind the loving of Christ, it just bothers me that you write like you're XVI century missionaries instead of real human beings on a manchurian rhesus macaque torture forum.

>>19096647
As much as we, as humans, hate to admit it; there is only one right and wrong answer. This is why we study. This is why there are books to support the future. If one bit of scientific philosophy is wrong, but inspires centuries it has to be repaired once recognized.
The Bible and God lay out the rules for a much less noticeable occurrence, the soul and morality. The Hebrews saw the evils that spread through Sodom, Egypt, and Canaan. Theses were evils that repeatedly toppled societies through hundreds of years. That is what God was able to communicate to Moses on Mount Sinai.
It's not always pretty, but in order to face what has been wrong it takes a clean soul. And that doesn't mean someone who has never messed up. It means someone willing to change for the better. Those are the ears God tends to, because he knows no others will listen even if they are putting themselves through daily suicide. It's simple psychology now a days.
I have been in your shoes. I see how you think and I understand it. My heart yearns for you to learn how to love and what God really is. Yet, I know you will not change this day and maybe never read this post. I leave you with one thought today. Take with it what you will; Things are cliché for a reason.

>>19096678
you replied to the wrong anon

>>19094196
Aren't you the people who bow to the abstract sky jew and his "died for your sins on a wooden plus" jew son?

Kek how delusional can you guys get?

>>19095681
>Christianity isn't about the church
Oh right

>>19096147
>It really hasn't been since the late 90s. These days you're more likely to be molested by your uncle or your teacher than a priest. The Catholic Church is probably the only institution with a child abuse problem that actually did something about it in an effective way. Go look up the Dallas Charter.
lol they are still ongoing catholic pedophile scandals all over the world. maybe they hide it better in america now but in eastern europe for example you still have high-ranking church officials being outed as pedos and pedo enablers and publicly blaming children for "seducing" priests. they only "do something about it" in direct proportion to how much they think they can get away with and how much it will hurt their bottom line.

>>19092245
The poor shall always exist since someone needs to be blessed and provide a role model for others.

>>19092058
>the sacrifice to end all sacrifices
As if it isn't desecrated by eating the body and drinking the blood of the totem?

>>19096651
Good, focusing on the Lord Jesus Christ is what it's all about. Keep doing that.

>>19091047
Hunter S. Thompson is a protestant in denial - everyone is, even the other denominations. He's even using diction inherited from anti-papal invective: "mean religion," "hired swine" and so on

>>19092132
>What is the ratio of the good and bad priests?
Ok so it just reduces the number of evil spirits, it doesn't "remove them completely". What percentage are we look at? Is there a NIOSH rating for evil spirit reduction?

>>19096148
Some religions address it better than others.

>>19098015
Less suffering requires for the human race to snap out of the layers of manipulation and lies it has been filled with and seek more compassionate, selfless approaches to not only their own personal lives, but also in regards to how they approach life and treat others as well. That is something the Bible heavily makes a point of.

>>19096698
You retards just keep regurgitating the same four lines.
https://rense.com/general96/jesusnotjew.html

>>19091052
This. He's obviously being critical of the concept of "Christendom", or the fact that Christianity has been used for centuries by the ruling class as a tool to amass wealth and exercise authority over others. All Christians should be critical of such an idea, as even Jesus himself criticized it.

>>19098633
>All Christians should be critical of such an idea, as even Jesus himself criticized it.
A lot of us are.

>>19098646
I know dude. My point is that Thompson isn't criticizing Jesus, he's criticizing the modern church and the men who built it.

>>19098702
And his criticism rings hollow considering it comes from a suicidal junkie advocating for vive.

>>19098702
>>19098702 #
And his criticism rings hollow considering it comes from a suicidal junkie advocating for vice. Like all journalists, he conceals his self-interest behind social concern.

>>19098633
Christendom built the most successful and compassionate society in history, but Thompson is too self-absorbed to see beyond his own wants. He was another 60's useful idiot.

>>19098736
Disagree. I think he's absolutely correct in criticizing the church. You can't look at catholicism or the prosperity gospel and think they hold any value whatsoever. Both are obvious false teachers but they have massive followings. That is certainly worthy of criticism.

I think his perspective as a depressed and drug-addicted person makes it even more valid. This is someone who's probably seen how meaningless secular and earthy life is-- yet he doesn't see the modern church as an alternative. Belief in Jesus should be absolutely revolutionary for a sinner who's come to the end of himself. But the modern church resembles the secular world more than it does the teachings of Jesus.

>>19098747
>Christendom built the most successful and compassionate society in history
And it still fell short in every way possible. Just because it's superior to other societies doesn't mean it's good. And since when is it your individual responsibility to come to faith? If anything, society failed Thompson by not showing him that Christianity was the missing piece to his puzzle.

>>19098766
>Belief in Jesus should be absolutely revolutionary for a sinner who's come to the end of himself. But the modern church resembles the secular world more than it does the teachings of Jesus.
As a Christian I agree with you.

>>19098766
>And since when is it your individual responsibility to come to faith?
It kind of is though. No one can make you believe in anything you don't want to believe.

>>19098814
I see it a bit differently: how could you believe in anything just because you WANT to? That's called wishful thinking. We can only believe in things that we perceive to be true. Gravity, for example: I believe it to be true only because I observe it.

It's not anyone's fault that they don't believe in God. If it was, that would mean we are able to earn our salvation by being more perceptive or open-minded or intelligent than other people. And of course, salvation is given, not earned.

Is that from fear and loathing in america?

>>19098840
I come from a similar stance, but before I even came to the Bible I had this innate desire to seek something of actual value rather than the vain pursuits in my life. Throughout my life I always shared similar qualities that are positively spoken of in scripture, but I never put them to practice because I was too concerned with fitting in with others.

Salvation cannot be received without a true repentance and acceptance of Him.

>>19098850
To continue on my first point. So while it wasn't a direct desire for Jesus Christ Himself, I had an extremely strong desire to seek something other than trivial worldly pursuits. I had a strong desire to save me from the very strange position I found myself to be in. It was that strong desire that led me to the Bible. So, yea. Maybe it doesn't come from wishful thinking as you say, but there needs to be some level of desire for seeking something genuinely good to even come to accept Him in the first place.

>>19098850
>>19098865
Cool to hear your story. It actually brings to mind the story of the prodigal son. As I'm sure you know, the first son stays with his father. I see that as similar to your story, someone who knew more early on that worldly matters were trivial.

Of course, the younger son lives as a degen and squanders his father's wealth. The only thing that brings him back to the father is not a desire for repentance, but desperation-- he simply has nothing left. Being met with the father's embrace-- unconditionally love and acceptance-- is what changes the prodigal son's heart.

So while you stayed with the father and came to believe more easily and painlessly, I believe that salvation can come to those who live deeply in sin. They sin because they are suffering and missing something inside of themselves. They are transformed not by their own power, but when God fills the hole inside their hearts.

Atheism has already been defeated by based islam. Remember to pay your tax retard.

>>19098944
I have been referenced as the prodigal son by someone before. I have been both the old and young son, if that even makes sense. I have lived a life of degeneracy and empty pursuits. I have done a lot of drugs. I have had sex with women of no morals. I've done that life already, which is why I was able to understand your stance coming in from it.

It was living that life of debauchery that allowed me to see that worldly matters are trivial.

>>19098982
Got it. I think our difference is that I'm attributing credit to God for your transformation: if it was an innate desire for more meaning that led you to faith, then that desire came from God imo since He is your creator. If it was the emptiness of worldly experiences that changed your heart, then I attribute that to God because all of your experiences were part of His plan.

I believe a fundamental aspect of Christian faith is to give up your own illusions of power and control-- and to accept that God and God alone controls your fate. In other words, from Psalms: "Cease striving and know that I am God"

>>19099051
I understand what you are saying, and yes I ultimately was led to God. But that's not to say I didn't seek in other places first. I'm not doubting that it was all a part of His plan, I know He uses the evil works of satan and turns them ultimately to His favor. I'm just saying, without a genuine desire for salvation, you cannot be saved.

>>19098850
>Salvation cannot be received without a true repentance and acceptance of Him.

>>19099073
>without a genuine desire for salvation, you cannot be saved
Agreed. if you don't want to be saved, you will not-- Jesus says as much.

>>19098951
unironically correct
God bless the Taliban

>>19099073
>>19099174
Just to expand a bit, I think we have free will and the ability to choose to follow God or deny him. But Jesus will certainly present a compelling case in His favor.

>>19098846
Yes

>>19099197
I'm with you on that one.

>>19098512
Yes, it's that effective. You on the other hand need to post some random internet article and guess what - tl;dr.

>>19098766
>fell short in every way possible
How so? Not enough free lolipops? Or are you just bitter that the church never endorsed whatever fashionable social scheme to solve poverty forever cooked up by some political idealist?

>>19099249
>I win because I'm too stupid to read.

>>19099265
Lesson learned. People making these empty arguments don't actually want to learn; they just want to frustrate you and mess with your inner peace.

>>19099265
When you are frustrated you are more prone to act on impulse than faith. Don't allow them to pull your strings.

Why is the negative aspect of free will, the capacity to commit evil, necessary to experience God?

>>19099278
The Lord roamed the garden with Adam. Abraham was in direct relations with the Lord and it is not mentioned that he was a sinful man. It's not necessary, but it can be a trigger to open ones eyes to the empty lifestyle they adhere to.

>>19091047
>Why isn't the Church helping society?
*Drinks a jug of PCP*
Thompson was just another derelict too stubborn to acknowledge the necessity of Christian morality to western civilization.

>>19099259
lol. I didn't say anything about socialist policies or whatever, that's all coming from your own twisted imagination.

Name a successful example of Christendom. If you're referring to modern-day America, you're completely off your rocker. Christendom is essentially relegating Christianity to a CULTURAL and POLITICAL sphere, as opposed to central piece of a person's and nation's identity. Christendom is nothing more than putting a moralistic face on a NON-Christian system-- in America's case, this is hyperconsumerism.

>>19091047
Not really an argument so much as a statement of opinion armchair atheists would agree with by default.

>>19099265
Here, read this: you're a fag.
Wow, you read something I suggested and learned something.

Is this how you think gaining knowledge works?

>>19092132
>then you should also reject using the police and education
Yes

>>19099350
America failed because it was rooted in freemasonry, not Christendom. Though Christian communities have resisted America's decline. Historic Christian nations like Hungary, Poland or Georgia are better examples.
>>19099460
That's an awful long way to go to rationalize not reading something

>>19099510
>Orthodox
>slavshit countries
>all kowtow to the CCP
Come on bro, you're making my point for me.

>>19093672
>Yes because people are too busy working to look inside and because children are indoctrinated into a scientific mindset that worships truth by concensus and disregards the paranormal because it is convenient to just ignore it or call it luck
Meanwhile religious countries are playing in the mud, sniffing glue and getting raped to death by the local warlord, what an enlightening experience! No wonder people look for fantasy when real life is a nightmare.

>>19099806
All of which outlasted the CCP and came out more resilient for it.

>>19099899
>outlasted
did you go to the future or are you just retarded or smthn

>>19099899
>outlasted
Yeah, "outlasted." Ever notice how the Chinese like to bank on the idea of "3000 years of continuous history" while the West regards epochs like Ancient Greece, Rome, and the Renaissance as semi-detached cultural influences with a character relevant to their own epoch?

The Chinese are the historical and cultural embodiment of small dick energy.

>>19099910
>outlasted
Yeah, "outlasted." Ever notice how the Chinese like to bank on the idea of "3000 years of continuous history" while the West regards epochs like Ancient Greece, Rome, and the Renaissance as semi-detached cultural influences with a character relevant to their own epoch?

The Chinese are the historical and cultural embodiment of small dick energy.

>>19100127
What's more small dick energy than Hungary censoring a Tucker Carlson speech on their YouTube to appease the Chinese lol

>>19100145
John Cena too. The idea that they did it because of who you are and not because of your money is the essence of small dick energy.

>>19091047
The jewish national literature is not the hyperborean man’s religion, simple as

>>19100199
kek, Chang BTFO

>>19099910
I meant to type CCCP, but yes, Chinese communism is already railing.

>>19100285
Is some drug addict your example of the hyperborean man?