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Do anons here really want to become immortal?

>>19074189
it would just give me more time to think about how i will never own a home.

>>19074183
If immortality becomes real, but there will be no such thing as retirement. You will have to work until the end of time

Is this the ultimate cope? That we'll invent immortality, let alone make it publicly available, within (you)r lifetime?

>We will have flying cars in 2000!
I swear guys, any days now.

>>19074183
I would rather die.

>>19074183
>bases his beliefs on evidence
How to spot a pseud 101. There’s no such thing as evidence for Kant’s categorical imperative, no evidence for utilitarianism, etc. Can STEMlords please fuck off out of non STEM spaces until they get a basic education.

>>19074205
>>19074214
These are the reality of things. You will have to work forever, and you really will never own anything. Immortality would only benefit the extremely rich, and naturally, that's why they seek it.

The longer you live, the higher the chance of suffering a fate worse than death. To be on the safe side, everyone should kill themselves immediately, but that's scary too. The easiest way to deal with this problem is to (hopefully) live out your natural life so your loved ones can accept your death and take the culturally acceptable way out (heart attack, cancer, etc). Just hope that your consciousness doesn't ever restart in the deep future, because if it does it will seem instantaneous to you and there will be no escape from life. Whatever you do, DON'T deliberately preserve information from your brain by freezing so that future beings can rebuild your mind in a computer simulation and run torture experiments on you. Thanks for reading.

>>19074183
Immortality is already a reality, read Phaedo.

>>19074189
No, but I know lot of people do. From my friend group I'm only one who doesn't want to be immortal. If immortality, or even just drastic prolonging of lifespan becomes possible, it would be only accessible for the rich who would just become even more richer.

>>19074189
Nope. Granted, death seems faraway right now, and I don’t know what the feeling of being on its doorstep would be like, so perhaps I’m speaking from a place of privilege here.

>>19074183
>Work, worry, toil, and trouble are certainly the lot of almost all throughout their lives. But if all desires were fulfilled as soon as they arose, how then would people occupy their lives and spend their time? Suppose the human race were removed to Utopia where everything grew automatically and pigeons flew about ready roasted; where everyone at once found his sweetheart and had no difficulty in keeping her; then people would die of boredom or hang themselves; or else they would fight, throttle, and murder one another and so cause themselves more suffering than is now laid upon them by nature.

-Schopenhauer

Although I really respect the people who are trying piss on face of antihumanism by pushing forward with science. It is the only frontier which can give modern man meaning. Don't why why the fuck all secular governments are pouring shit tons of money into cool shit like this.

Transhumanists are the true Nietzscheans of our times.

>>19074183
People are dying of shit like heart attacks and colon cancer younger than ever. I don't think we are achieving much.
>>19074189
I want to, but I'm also aware that only the rich will be able to afford it.

>>19074252
Exactly. Death is and always has been the great equalizer. Death is what has always ensured that, no matter how bad things get, change and instability can tear down the existing nightmare we inhabit. The Wicked plant seeds in the minds of the masses that cause them to fear death and pursue the goals of the Wicked at their own expense.

>>19074183
If you live for a thousand years, you will see the world become so shit you will wish you opted out at 100.

You are afraid of meeting God.

>>19074328
>Exactly. Death is and always has been the great equalizer. Death is what has always ensured that, no matter how bad things get, change and instability can tear down the existing nightmare we inhabit
This was what spooked me most about 1984 - the idea that all the major world leaders were working towards discovering immortality so they could maintain their place in the world and permanently deadlock the state of the planet (or at least until they invent nukes that can vaporize entire fucking countries within an instant.)

>>19074183
Immortality is not profitable nor beneficial to this society and thus will never be openly given to the public. A people who cannot die fear nothing, a people who fear nothing are uncontrollable.

>>19074183
Mankind has had the potential to live forever since 33 A.D., your scientists aren't going to do anything new

>>19074320
Plebs are dying younger because most people eat chemical shit and work themselves to death trying to afford a bigger apartment box. People who disconnect from the materialist rat race and live a simpler lifestyle live longer and healthier lives.

>>19074222
It’s more like the penultimate cope but yeah.

Either you believe in soul or you believe that your conscious self is entirely depended on your physical brain. In either of these cases you have a high chance of becoming immortal as your physical brain with whatever is tracking your place in time can be entirely recreated.

If anything, recreating all potential humans is the most logical thing to do so it will be eventually done.

>>19074415
Some know both exist and deeply fear the former.

>>19074183
You will not live forever. Even assuming all genetic issues are solved you will be shot as your life is useless to stronger immortals.

Can’t wait until the richfags make themselves immortal, once the revolution succeeds we’ll have all the time in the world to torture them for years, maybe even decades.
Once we get bored of that and/or they become completely numb to physical pain from years of abuse we’ll lock them up in solitary confinement for life aka forever.
Their minds will irreparably snap from centuries of isolation.
Truly a fate worse than death and completely deserved to boot.
Based.

>>19074342
This.

>>19074183
>IMMORTARLITY WILL BECOME REALITY WITHIN OUR LIFETIME
Most of these people want to die before 30 or 40, and a lot of them want to see everyone else die off in some collapse.

>>19074342
The only reason people want to be immortal is because they know they’re going to Hell.

>>19074398
People who say this never seem to realize you need to have at least SOME capital to unplug, and capital is more expensive than ever.

>>19074495
This

>>19074498
Yeah you need some to start out but if you can leave the city and move somewhere rural you can make what you have go a lot further

>>19074189
I need more time to read... all of time to read

>>19074495
>>19074342
>>19074471
To acknowledge the existence of God (at least in these conditions) is to admit there exists a being in which man cannot surpass and is entirely powerless against.

>>19074268
Why do I care if a Neuromancer style ROM construct can be summoned from my data in the future? It won't be me. I'll be dead. That's just a serial of me.

>>19074510
>Yeah you need some to start out but if you can leave the city and move somewhere rural you can make what you have go a lot further
I get what you are saying but from there you need either remote work or passive income or a lucky high-paying job.
Part of this is just me mad at myself for not seeing all this 10 years ago. I will die before I escape the hamster wheel at this rate.

>>19074391
Egypt beat you by about 2000 years. Cope

>>19074189
If they could restore me to the age of 21, sure. I really don't want to be a libidoless skeleton shitting into a diaper until the age of 500 though.

>>19074189
Not that it's possible to be immortal lol, doesn't matter if it's 500 or 1000 years everyone shits the bed eventually.

>>19074539
One speaks of keeping your material objects in the after life, while the other says let them go because they're inherently useless in the afterlife.

>>19074301
Why wouldn't rejuvenation be open to everyone? Old age is expensive. You could abolish social security if people didn't age.

>>19074556
Not everyone desperately grasps to this world with clenching fists.

>>19074189
besides reading literature and studying I'd have nothing else to do and not interested in humanity repeat the same routine over and over. The lifespans we have now are more than enough time to do what I desire and achieve my goals. Death is also what makes life much more interesting I have no idea why people fear it, one of the most beautiful things of life when you understand and is what makes this world so great, the desire to escape it without understanding it and loving it is what will tie you to it even more

>>19074548
And of course, the resurrection of the ritually prepared body in the afterlife, don't forget that one! Christ didn't shed his materiality in the gospels now did he?

>>19074214
A lot of financial successful people don't even care about retirement. Also they have so much money that they could just stop working (if they desired) and have somebody manage it and keep it growing indefinitely.

>>19074495
no, it's because people don't want to be obliterated into nothingness. it's a great fear for humans. maybe if this was 500 years ago you would be right.

>>19074604
>Christ didn't shed his materiality in the gospels now did he?
I want to say yes, but before I can provide a solidified answer I'm going to have to ask you to rephrase this.

>>19074608
With more money comes more budget and higher cost of living (for the most part, of course exceptions exist). Greed is always hungry.

>>19074618
The risen body was real and tactile to the disciples who could touch his wounds, and he ascended to heaven in this same form. So indeed a material object has been kept past death, like the body of the pharoah, on the basis of its preparation during life.

Look on the bright side!
Now you’ll finally be able to save enough to afford a house!
20 years is the blink of an eye for immortals!

>>19074627
Explain why none of them realized who He even was until He willingly chose to reveal Himself to them?

>>19074642
If no one dies the housing shortage gets worse and prices rise. You'll be working for eternity wagie

>>19074455
uppity cattle like you will be culled, don't worry

>>19074556
Why would you care about money when you and your friends can live forever and slowly but surely own the world?

>>19074658
Hmm. Luckily our population is declining so demand will fall as there are less people to buy homes.

>>19074662
>cattle
as will the narcissists and proud.

>>19074657
Unrelated to what we are discussing, that physical material bodies are claimed to be retainable after death. Egyptians believed a version of this already, that you could ritually prepare a body to keep it in the afterlife. The specifics are varied but the claim was made well before Christianity, whose innovation is that the body gets up in this world after death before leaving for the next one.

>>19074658
If no one does there’s no reason to think anyone would be born either.
Eventually everyone would amass enough money to buy a house.

>>19074682
>Unrelated to what we are discussing
Bullshit, it clearly proves He surpassed the material body at that point and could literally disguise Himself as whatever shape He wanted to or however He wished to physically present Himself. Read all Gospels post resurrection and you'll see it.

>>19074183
I would love to be there on the death bed of all these people who thought they were about to become immortal through science.
>two more weeks.... *beeeeeeep*

>>19074693
based

>>19074682
And this feat isn't something that only Jesus is capable of, scripture points that angels too have the ability to disguise themselves and change shape/form/however you want to explain it.

>>19074688
Regardless of his ability to transform himself it's a physical body that was risen from its tomb that was capable of extension and being touched. Or are you saying Jesus was just a hologram?

>>19074703
It's not a physical body anymore if it can do such things. He surpassed death and overcame the world itself. There's a lot you're not taking into consideration here.

Yeah right fag
>I blow my brains out with my 45 caliber clip

>>19074707
>can be touched, wounds and all
>not physical since it transforms
You can't even parse your own book i guess butterflies are non-physical too

>>19074726
What I'm trying to say is that His body is beyond what is physically possible and can do things that no other human being can.

>>19074529
Very well but a lot of transhumanists have a belief that your consciousness is independent of its medium. It can be copied and reproduced and somehow "you" would still experience what happens to it. I give some weight to this possibility just in case. There are some thought experiments related to this that show it's not easy to track down how someone's personal identity is maintained over time.

>>19074733
There are plenty of bodies which can do what is not physically possible for a human body. That doesn't make them not-bodies. Do birds that fly in the sky not have bodies because they are not bounded by the human form?

>>19074736
transhumanists have been watching way too much bladerunner

>>19074740
Birds are a group of species. Thus, all birds within a certain group can all do the same things. Same with the human body, but the resurrection of Jesus proves something entirely different.

>>19074736
>a lot of transhumanists have a belief that your consciousness is independent of its medium. It can be copied and reproduced and somehow "you" would still experience what happens to it.
I'm not sure how they make this claim because if they think scanning your brain into a computer allows it to be conscious that's really not at all a belief in a transcendent consciousness independent of its medium, but the belief that consciousness is dependent on the data of the brain to be reproduced. And if that's the case then you can just crank out serial (You)'s, there's no way for a sameself consciousness to transfer from one wet machine to one cybernetic machine since you're already assuming a data set (brain data) produces it like a script. You can install Excel on multiple computers but no one thinks these installations share a unique identity. They're serialized. The only way to align them would be to continously link or patch each serial to share the same data inputs as they "live," and store new information. But that's just a workaround on the basis of the assumption of reproducing from the template, it's still not a transcendent consciousness.

>>19074747
It is a variation on the bodily resurrection of the species of the Egyptians who ritually prepared for death.

>>19074621
And cheaper goods too. The greed doesn't just apply to the rich. Your iPhone, your car, all the knick knacks you have are the result of that "greed", so please don't make this an Us vs The Rich thing like a eurofag

>>19074779
egyptians aren't a species, they are a part of the human race. Thus, they're still limited to the potentialities of the human form. Through His resurrection, Jesus overcame those limited potentialities to be an example of what is possible for one who follows Him.

>>19074693
You twisted sadist. You ought to feel guilt.
>At 9:33 a.m., Suozzi’s body was moved to an operating table. Ten minutes later, Alcor’s technophilic necromancers completed “cephalic isolation”—a euphemistic neologism that means they cut off her head. Such bloodless jargon obscures the macabre slapstick of the antics in the morgue—er, “operating room.”
>9:45 a.m.: Cephalon placed in holding ring of cephalic enclosure.
>[Translation: They put Suozzi’s head in a box.]
>9:51 a.m.: Cephalon fell out of holding ring.
>[Translation: Her head fell out.]
>A CT scan later confirmed that “cryoprotective perfusion was not generally successful”—meaning that Suozzi’s brain would not be well preserved. (Or, in Alcor jargon, “cortical cryoprotection” was “minimal.”) In other words, the procedure was a failure.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdTdWs4NleA

>>19074786
all I have is a phone and computer. Everything else is junk I can't sell.

>>19074214
>>19074252
>implying we couldn’t live in fully automated gay space communism

Immortality has been attainable for thousands of years anon

>>19074189
Is that even a question? Of course I do, I'd be able to gain as much wisdom as possible and I would have all the time in the world to write beautiful and influential things. I could think about literally everything. This is all assuming I'm still young in body and mind, because if I'm some senile disgusting vegetable I'd prefer death.

>>19074790
Sure and the Egyptians overcame those limitations according to their doctrines. You don't believe in those though due to your provincialism.

>>19074852
Not in the same way Jesus did. Their desire for attachment to worldly things after death says more than you think. You can't overcome the world while still being attached to frivolous things like gold and riches.

>>19074842
knowledge does not equate to wisdom.

>>19074835
Was going to post this.
>tfw immortal for free

>>19074856
And you can't "overcome" the world by resurrecting your physical body. The body is part and parcel of physical reality and your only means of contact with that reality. Resurrecting it reproduces those same consequences, except you're adding that Jesus transforms and also flies away at the end with the body. But the Egyptian afterlife, which retains the body, also takes place somewhere else than here. And the only use of the body is to experience the material, so obviously the preservation of such a body implies a physical experience is part of the afterlife. You have not abandoned any physical world by your doctrines, you have only abandoned what material enjoyments you didn't have in the first place in the hopes of having them elsewhere.

>>19074887
>The body is part and parcel of physical reality and your only means of contact with that reality.
Explain how the Lord managed to manifest in the flesh to speak to Abraham. Explain the multitude of angels manifesting into a physical form but not being attached to said form. Explain the Lord manifesting as light to speak to Saul. There's a lot more to this than you could even begin to realize. Your egyptians practiced a form of necromancy, it is no where near the same as what the resurrection implies.

Your physical body is unique to this material world. You can't exist materialistically in a form outside of the material.

>You have not abandoned any physical world by your doctrines, you have only abandoned what material enjoyments you didn't have in the first place in the hopes of having them elsewhere.
Never claimed I have
>you didn't have in the first place
You don't know me.

>>19074796
Except she was dying prematurely and tried to prevent that. That is different from all the science trannies that are into this stuff.

>>19074908
I really don't care about the particulars of the Old Testament here. There's no resurrection of the body there in order to enjoy eternal life. We're talking about Jesus keeping his corpse with him and bringing it to the afterlife, as a physical body capable of experience and sense. This is in essence an Egyptian belief. And that is reasonable since Christianity diverges from its parent religion after centuries of bathing in paganism. You're assuming the Christian beliefs are uniquely true to the exclusion of all others which is why you can't properly compare these. But other religions did teach of reclaiming personal bodies in the afterlife if one properly prepared.

>>19074610
You wouldn't be saying nothingness if you even thought about whats out there for even a second

>>19074887
>Resurrecting it reproduces those same consequences
No, the resurrection also implies overcoming death as well. Something that was a prior consequence but not anymore.

>>19074937
New Testament speaks of the Lord manifesting as light to interact with Saul, and another account in the New Testament in Acts where an angel breaks Peter out of prison, and while this is happening, Peter is unsure of whether it's a dream or reality. Thus giving question as to whether the angel was a physical manifestation or something else entirely.

>we're talking about Jesus keeping his corpse with him and bringing it to the afterlife

1 Corinthians 15:42-44
42 [t]So also is the resurrection of the dead. It is sown corruptible; it is raised incorruptible. 43 It is sown dishonorable; it is raised glorious. It is sown weak; it is raised powerful. 44 It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual one.

>>19074183
Ted Kaczynski has some decent arguments for why transhumanism/life extension probably won’t work in Anti-Tech Revolution: Why and How.

>The same applies to the hypothesized survival of human minds in "uploaded" form inside machines. The uploaded minds will not be tolerated indefinitely unless they remain useful (that is, more useful than any substitutes not derived from human beings), and in order to remain useful they will have to be transformed until they no longer have anything in common with the human minds that exist today.

>Some techies may consider this acceptable. But their dream of immortality is illusory nonetheless. Competition for survival among entities derived from human beings (whether man-machine hybrids, purely artificial entities evolved from such hybrids, or human minds uploaded into machines), as well as competition between human-derived entities and those machines or other entities that are not derived from human beings, will lead to the elimination of all but some minute percentage of all the entities involved. This has nothing to do with any specific traits of human beings or of their machines; it is a general principle of evolution through natural selection. Look at biological evolution: Of all the species that have ever existed on Earth, only some tiny percentage have direct descendants that are still alive today. On the basis of this principle alone, and even discounting everything else we've said in this chapter, the chances that any given techie will survive indefinitely are minute.

>>19074937
1 Corinthians 15:39-40
39 [s]Not all flesh is the same, but there is one kind for human beings, another kind of flesh for animals, another kind of flesh for birds, and another for fish. 40 There are both heavenly bodies and earthly bodies, but the brightness of the heavenly is one kind and that of the earthly another.

>>19074771
True dat, never understood these tech nerds and their consciousness moving stuff

>>19074937
1 Corinthians 15:45-49
45 So, too, it is written, “The first man, Adam,[u] became a living being,” the last Adam a life-giving spirit. 46 But the spiritual was not first; rather the natural and then the spiritual. 47 The first man was from the earth, earthly; the second man, from heaven. 48 As was the earthly one, so also are the earthly, and as is the heavenly one, so also are the heavenly. 49 Just as we have borne the image of the earthly one, we shall also bear the image[v] of the heavenly one.

>>19074796
Hahahaha thats gas fuck her should have accepted her fate

>>19074663
Preventing aging wouldn't mean immortality. It would just mean people become obsessed with safety because they will die some other way, like a war or an accident, or hell even an EMP from the sun that destroys all networks. Then you WILL be stuck working because the rich would give you no possible avenue to reach them.

>>19074183
I wouldn't mind keeping death but making humans perpetually youthful until death.

>>19074937
Philippians 3:20-21
20 But our citizenship is in heaven. And we eagerly await a Savior from there, the Lord Jesus Christ, 21 who, by the power that enables him to bring everything under his control, will transform our lowly bodies so that they will be like his glorious body.

>>19074988
Start eating right and exercising then anon

>>19074950
Except we as humans already try to protect nature and species and other races. Recreating all possible sentience is the most logical ethical thing to do and it will be the future goal of any of transhuman.

>>19074937
>There's no resurrection of the body there in order to enjoy eternal life
Actually, if you want to make some cross references. Jesus is noted in the Gospel to speak to both Elijah and Moses. This is at a time where Jesus transfigures Himself into a being of light. Elijah is a prophet from the Old Testament who is accounted to have entered heaven without having to die. Moses, on the other hand faced death, and yet there he is conversing with Jesus Christ thousands of years later. Which gives plain evidence that Moses, too has experienced eternal life.

>>19074183
Either your life has a purpose, or it doesn't.
If your life doesn't have a purpose, it would be better to get to the end, for in the end it doesn't matter whether you live or not.
If your life has purpose, you should trust that God will give you enough time.

>>19075001
>Except we as humans already try to protect nature and species and other races.
That probably won’t last forever.

https://www.overcomingbias.com/2009/09/this-is-the-dream-time.html

> When our distant descendants think about our era, however, differences will loom larger. Yes they will see that we were more like them in knowing more things, and in having less contact with a wild nature. But our brief period of very rapid growth and discovery and our globally integrated economy and culture will be quite foreign to them. Yet even these differences will pale relative to one huge difference: our lives are far more dominated by consequential delusions: wildly false beliefs and non-adaptive values that matter. While our descendants may explore delusion-dominated virtual realities, they will well understand that such things cannot be real, and don’t much influence history. In contrast, we live in the brief but important “dreamtime” when delusions drove history. Our descendants will remember our era as the one where the human capacity to sincerely believe crazy non-adaptive things, and act on those beliefs, was dialed to the max.

>>19074189
>he doesn’t want to become a metahuman

>>19074342

based. judgment awaits us all.

>>19074949
>it... it... it... it....
Uh sounds like it's the same body being raised, yes. Thank you for evincing my point. So now that it is the same body after all it is physical or material and thus for the purpose of the respective experience and enjoyments and hardly differs from Egyptian doctrines
>>19074969
A body is still a body, being bright or not doesn't make it a non-material body
>>19074978
I don't see what this has to do with anything discussed. Sure there are people in the afterlife, the Egyptians agree on that as well.
>>19074994
A transformed body is still a body. Ditto for Egypt.
>>19075017
Retconning the OT to use it to argue for the NT doesn't matter to a non OT audience

>>19074610
Why wouldn’t you want to be obliterated into nothingness? I LOVE the idea that “I” could be obliterated into nothingness and stop existing forever. No existence = no suffering. If anything, the idea that death is eternal nothingness sounds too damn good to be true. If “I” could be born and emerge from nothingness once, there’s no reason why it couldn’t happen again.

>>19074495
Relevant:

https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/N4AvpwNs7mZdQESzG/the-dilemma-of-worse-than-death-scenarios

>The most extreme example would be an indefinite state of suffering comparable to the biblical Hell, perhaps caused by an ASI running simulations. Obviously preventing this has a higher priority than preventing scenarios of a lower severity.

>Scenarios which could mean indefinite suffering:

>1. ASI programmed to maximise suffering
>2. Alien species with the goal of maximising suffering
>3. We are in a simulation and some form of "hell" exists in it
>4. ASI programmed to reflect the values of humanity, including religious hells
>5. Unknown unknowns

>Worse than death scenarios are highly neglected. This applies to risks of all severities. It seems very common to be afraid of serial killers, yet I have never heard of someone with the specific fear of being tortured to death, even if most people would agree that the latter is worse. This pattern is also seen in the field of AI: the "killer robot" scenario is very well-known, as is the paperclip maximiser, but the idea of an unfriendly ASI creating suffering is not talked about as often.

>The dilemma is that it does not seem possible to continue living as normal when considering the prevention of worse than death scenarios. If it is agreed that anything should be done to prevent them then Pascal's Mugging seems inevitable. Suicide speaks for itself, and even the other two options, if taken seriously, would change your life. What I mean by this is that it would seem rational to completely devote your life to these causes. It would be rational to do anything to obtain money to donate to AI safety for example, and you would be obliged to sleep for exactly nine hours a day to improve your mental condition, increasing the probability that you will find a way to prevent the scenarios. I would be interested in hearing your thoughts on this dilemma and if you think there are better ways of reducing the probability.

Also relevant:
https://youtube.com/watch?v=jiZxEJcFExc
https://s-risks.org/

>>19075289
>Thank you for evincing my point. So now that it is the same body after all it is physical or material
Read again. Paul is pointing out the dualistic nature of pre resurrection and post in regards to the major differences.

>A body is still a body, being bright or not doesn't make it a non-material body
>fails to understand what a metaphor is.

>I don't see what this has to do with anything discussed.
You coinciding this scripture as if it entails humans in the afterlife goes to show just how little you understand of scripture, or the New Testament specifically.

>A transformed body is still a body
Yes, a transformation has taken place that allows certain things to happen prior to its previous state.

>Retconning the OT to use it to argue for the NT doesn't matter to a non OT audience
NT is a continuation of the OT, and the OT prophesies the new covenant that was established in the NT and basically what represents the entire purpose of what the NT entails and points to. Jesus Christ Himself referenced the OT quite a bit, it is stated in scripture that He was well versed in the OT as a child, speaks about Abraham, Moses, Elijah, David, Solomon, and others. So a
>non OT audience
is an audience who is denying a lot of things Jesus Christ Himself valued.

>>19075231
This is immediately hypocritical because people can't claim not to live in a delusion of sorts. The people of the future will have their own delusions as people of the past did. What people do is not often immediately seen as useful, such as not killing animals, but it effects our psyche and sense of ethical logic that we wouldn't want to share the same fate as them. This only leads to logical conclusion that near immortal or already immortal beings are to revive and allow the smoothest transition possible from dying into a recreated body as we are the still the nearest memory of species that originated them they know.

>>19075289
Another thing, Jesus Christ is LORD. Jesus Christ claims I AM, claims to have been before Abraham. Those implications alone mean so much more than you think.

>>19075262

Is this from a book, if so, which one?

>>19074183
>>19074189
I would rather live 30 years of a meaningful, active life than 200 years a mindless consumer drone in the modern world.

>>19075358
>>19075449
I'm aware you believe in the old testament, various prophecies conveniently fulfilled in the next book, metaphysical utterances scattered throughout, and so forth. But none of this shows that the Egyptians did not first have a doctrine of preparing for an afterlife in which one retains body and soul. That Christians found a way to square this idea with the old testament and marginalize their parent religion to the extent that they think it was an original idea promised in that very parent religion is quite a feat but altogether besides the point.

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