/lit/ - Literature

>>19056506
nothing chad about doing that, they get energy from talking to windbags that think asking theology 101 questions are a gotcha

Yeah, better just ignore them, anon.

>>19056506

>>19056656
But that's no fun now, is it?

>>19056506
I really wish I were Christian. The Christians are the nicest posters on this site

>>19056691

There is nothing nice about believing in a tyrant god who is morally justified in suffering subjects to go to damnation. It is rather a depraved way of seeing the world.

>herp derp muh free will
>herp derp muh mysteries of god

Unsatisfying canards. A god worth his salt would be serene unto himself and therefore not need to make a Creation. A god worth his salt doesn't need complexity in the universe in order to find it "interesting" or "better", that's for humans. Or if he did make a creation, he would have done better to have made it simple. Instead we have this garbage world which implicates the competence of any creator.

>>19056780
*tip*

One thing that history has shown is that getting shit on only makes Christians stronger. They feed off of it.

>>19056780
theists btfo how will they recover

>>19056780
you don't even smoke crack. coward

>>19056802

Sadly, this is true. Persecute them and their brainworms metastasize more efficiently. About the only effective treatment is another, even worse disease, Islam.

>>19056780
I'm just saying they often say nice things to me

>>19056780
Wow... I never thought about it that way. I' gay now

Getting shit enhances Christianity because of the sort of people that adopt Christianity, not because of Christianity itself (aside from its "God is mysterious, rely on faith" element). It more relies on your ability to ignore cognitive dissonance and believe in varied hypotheses that are not necessarily true

>>19056816
Not everyone who speaks nicely has good or true intentions, anon. Don't believe in something just because of the personalities who hold to it, especially if all you know about them is "they say nice things to me." Of course they say nice things, they need converts and a fulfillment of their sense of duty and altruism.

>>19056832
>I’m only pretending to be friendly

>>19056780
>A god worth his salt would be serene unto himself
>worth his salt.
why cant you type get into the concept of how to apply a prioi logic outside of the immediate low and sircumstantial singular perspective. I feel like none of you read Plato at all.
>herp derp muh mysteries of god
is probably one of the greatest revelations in thought. It doesn't matter what you see, that by its nature is only a proportion of the likely world, rather than the hypothetical whole.
thats like saying
>herp derp cave allegory
Its serene because it talks about what IS rather than what appears in situation A or B or whatever. Its about universalizing conception.

>>19056846
The issue is that Christians retreat to "mysteries of God" as a way of justifying their conceptions, which should be impossible to do if "mysterious ways" are all we have to base ourselves on.

"God's purported goodness and the universe's purported evil are reconciled by His ways being mysterious." But if His ways are mysterious, why can you call them good? Why is that aspect of Him not also mysterious and inaccessible? It's more obfuscation, the putting off of answers; it answers nothing.

>>19056863
What are you talking about? The Christian tradition was the first mainstream tradition to really try to figure out where our knowledge of god ends and where the mystery begins. You don’t find it a bit strange that Reddit space invaders are allowed to bask in the mysteries of the universe, but when Christians do it they are just coping? I mean the idea of mystery basically comes from the Christian tradition, anon

>>19056832
I cant really believe in Christ as god. I've meditated on the thought or him for over an hour at a time and I just cant do it. I have a hard time understanding God at all. My religious instincts present to me a kind of infinite Noumenal night of sorts within which there is a spirit of meaning/love type thing. Not really the same picture as the omnipotent God who created everything

JESUS DIED FOR YOUR SINS

>>19056863
>"God's purported goodness and the universe's purported evil are reconciled by His ways being mysterious." But if His ways are mysterious, why can you call them good? Why is that aspect of Him not also mysterious and inaccessible
yah, thats what the point of faith and grace is.

Its the idea that regardless of all possible contigencies, in all potential situations and events, there is esential goodness. there is essential object. there is essential purpose. Its Good For Goods sake, not good as an arbitrary and perspectivist abstraction. I really really wish people would read some plato, its not even essentially a christian concept. its one of transcendental positivism. That there is something definite and wonderful that cannot be taken away or be flushed out by petty situationalism. Its a deeply ontological belief. that things spring from good. A pin where all else is fluid. something that one can construct around like an anchor regardless of how the sea rages. If that anchor snapped just because the sea raged left instead of right, it is not an anchor, it was a momentary reprieve. Whhy do you think it was such a forceful idea in its early history. Read something like Eusebius. THese guys lived shitty lives. It was an essential belief, before logic, that there was goodness. And all derivitives are just that, passing tides.

>>19056924
>not even essentially a Christian concept
not solely a Christian concept*

>>19056780
Hello Aalewis

What are some anti-Christianity books that make actually good arguments?
>>19056820
Catholics often say their faith is perfectly logical though. What are the inconsistencies?

>>19056940
>anti-Christianity books that make actually good arguments?
Nietzsche and Nietzsche alone. Not only does he completely demolish Christianity, but he actually presents a viable alternative to believe systems of that sort.

>>19056940
There is non. Christianity is true.

>>19056863
>But if His ways are mysterious, why can you call them good? Why is that aspect of Him not also mysterious and inaccessible?
several theologians answer these things. you need to go past an intro to theology course in order to engage with the arguments, as of now you come of as straw manning. i will give a very brief answer from other theologians + my own philosphical system

God is Good ultimately because he is all-powerful, what God says is final is final, you cant control other people, you cant control the stock market, you cant control the orbits of planets, you cant control the universe. That is gods job. Thus, if anything is Good, it is that which is in alignment with the plan of God, that which most closely follows his will. But notice this has absolutely nothing to do with knowing everything about God. I can know God is all-Good without explicitly stating everything about Goodness just by the concept of God.

It is similar to how we can find objects in mathematics without discovering everything about those objects, for example uncomputable real numbers are known to exist in certain bounds, yet thats all we know about them.

>>19056949
Where do I start with his arguments? The Antichrist?
I've postponed Nietzsche because I'm not a materialist.

>>19056780
I will say I've been reading the New Testament for the first time, and the one thing that makes absolutely no sense to me is why Jesus is so obsessed with trying to get so many people to believe in him. Why would a God give a shit? It's clearly because he isn't a God, he was a man trying to build an earthly political movement where followers = power.

>>19056949
Nietzsche demolishing christianity is completely irrelevant to me. Christ is the way and God is LOVE. Where else would we go but to you Lord.

>>19056985
>willingly believing in falsities
Do you not feel ashamed

>>19056949
>Nietzsche and Nietzsche alone. Not only does he completely demolish Christianity, but he actually presents a viable alternative to believe systems of that sort.

Christianity survives and grows stronger through the churn of history, through ups and downs and flat-out catastrophes.

This is because the weakness of God is stronger than the strength of men. The Nietzschean uberman, the Faustian rebel, they are all sound and fury signifying nothing, for each is always and inevitably defined by the terminus of death -- that thing that Christ conquered on the Cross.

>>19056691
God accepts all brother, you should try reading the Bible or attending a church service, you might like what you find

>>19056968
there is no arguments, his entire point is just
>lol cope

>>19057014
>Christianity survives and grows stronger through the churn of history
Where? Can you show me how it's growing now? With statistics of course, not pictures of zoomers LARPing on twitter. Also, if you're going to show me basedrocketing belief in the third world, don't bother, because you'll just end up proving me right.

>>19057096
>basedrocketing
skyrocketing... Fuck jannies.

>>19056817
lol

>>19056506
Dude, I an atheist and even I think that's pretty pathetic. Shit on me if you want to.

>>19056949
And Scheler demolished Nietzsche’s arguments against Christianity. You anons should really look into his work, he’s extremely underrated

>>19056506
You're doing us a huge favor, keep it up.

>>19057148
oops. *I'm, not I.

>>19057148
>Dude, I an atheist and

>>19057152
This hierarchy is meaningless

>>19056971
We've had this discussion before. Jesus kept to Himself for the most part, it wasn't about getting people to believe in Him, it was about restructuring the power structure that has turned against His own people. Those that were supposed to be teaching and guiding His people, were using their laws against them and abusing their power. Jesus came first to heal Israel, then after they denied Him, He opened His covenant up for anyone that wants to be a part of it.

>>19057177
>after they denied Him, He opened His covenant up for anyone
After they denied him, they killed him, then his followers created a bunch of headcanon cope narratives to justify him getting rekt.