/lit/ - Literature

>>19049796
>I think this is because ... virtue signal and appeal to young students
the more likely answer is that she just likes YA because its accessible, dramatic, and fantastical. similar to why women love greys anatomy, the office, real housewives, etc.
whats more peculiar is how people like that don't get burned out on the same dry and literal prose.

One of Kraftwerks best. Cheers OP.

>>19049796
I have never understood the trying to push the POC & LGBT+ agenda in literature. I understand that in other forms of media there is a bias based on how the portrayor looks/who they like, but there certainly isn't one in books. Here it's nothing but the intellect/character of the author that gets the book going. Guilt-tripping the readers into buying a book because the author is black or likes it up the ass is quite mediocre.

>about a very unique and special teen girl who's queer and too cool for her friends at school but also very weird and awkward in an endearing way because of her trauma.
The very reason I hate YA is because they try to pass toxic traits and personality flaws as quirky, and impressionable young girls try to emulate the characters.

>being married
Big mistake OP

>>19049796
Your fault for marrying a retard

>>19050133
I would actually argue that my marriage isn't the reason why there's a widespread trend of disregarding classic literature as some kind of irrelevant relic of a problematic past, but go off king!

>>19050159
I meant that you wouldn't have to deal with this shit in such a direct, tangible way if you didn't marry a YA adult. My wife reads romantic poetry and psychoanalytic case studies and would never give me shit for reading dead white men or whatever

>>19050159
>widespread trend of disregarding classic literature as some kind of irrelevant relic of a problematic past
i have not seen this. i have seen a push for diversity, but i wouldn't necessarily call these the same thing.

>>19050133
Gay marriage is a sin

>>19049796
>My wife pretty much exclusively buys young adult literature and she's pushing 30. I think this is because we both went to a college where the english program was aging white women trying to virtue signal and appeal to young students by making a point to avoid white male authors and the typical classic works that are assigned in high school and college.
Imagine blaming your shitty taste on someone else

>>19050159
If it isn't the reason, it might be a cause. If you have children, do not let the woman poison your issue's mind trying to guide them to only read baby literature.gdtyv

>>19049796
It has always been the interest of the few and never was popular with the masses.

John Wyndham is young adult anyway, so what's your problem?

So you’re surprised that your partner and society at large don’t share your niche interest.
If think of you went around asking people what they think of classic literature they’d be more likely to respond with indifference than disdain.

>Coming on 4chan to complain about the fight you had with yr bitch wife
reddit

>>19049796
It got trendy before that. When big sentences with fancy words became "bad writing." It's Hemingway's fault.

>>19049796
Not sure if I have an answer to your question, but if I were to speculate I would say that it could have something to do with the fact the women read books as a leisure activity to a much larger extent than men do.
> A 2018 survey showed that 11 percent of U.S. women read 31 or more books that year, compared to five percent of male respondents.

It is a simplification for sure, but I would say that in general guys read basically no fiction at all, or tend to be quite into literature, reading the classics etc. Compare this to women, where you still have the same group of people reading "serious literature", but now also a significant group of women reading mainly YA and Coming of Age fiction. The people in this group are well aware of the fact that their preferred reading isn't considered highbrow. In order to deal with the cognitive dissonance that appears when they try to reconcile that fact with their perception of themselves as a "reader", they will try to rationalize away the need for these older classics.

>>19049796
>our assigned reading lists were always names like "obchungwa kalabunga" and "Xi Qing Xiaolong."
kek very true

>>19049796
>she's pushing 30.
Oof
Anon, you’re getting ready to dump her, I hope?

>>19050236
while true now an active disdain for the classics is rising among the intellectual class

>>19050119
If you don't marry a retard it's all fine tbqh.
Op is doing it wrong but maybe she isn't completely insufferable I hope? At the very least she must suck a mean cock. Anyway, yeah, marriage is a good thing and the dissolution of marriage is what has made out society retarded.
Side note: out of interest, did you have a single-mother anon?

>>19049796
>Again, nothing against non-white or gay authors. Honestly I probably barely read more white authors than non-white, and that's likely just because white authors are a lot more common and easier to come by in America.
Another thing to keep in mind is the fact that literature is not something that is generally going to be pursued by people in cultures where your number one priority is just putting food on the table.
The fact is, the reason schools don’t teach Congolese literature of Afghan literature is because those people have not historically had the time on their hands to sit down and write a book. Europeans, on the other hand, had food security and except for in times of war, physical security as well. They had TIME to write books 100+ years ago.
African writers of classics aren’t being passed over in favor of Europeans, they simply didn’t exist. That’s why you see more non-European authors getting published today, even after adjusting for the ridiculous culture of “diversity” worship. a far greater percentage of people on earth than ever before are living lives where they can get an education, learn to write, don’t have to spend all day working to acquire enough food to feed themselves, etc.

>>19050465
>the intellectual class
does not read, then. Given that traditionally this is the hard reading class what better way to cover your ass?

>>19050557
That is, to cover its imposture.

>>19049931
Computer World -> Computer Love is damn good. Kind of wished that they would have ended their album at Computer Love.

>>19050465
probably because they are tired of discussing the same few classics and want to expand into more experimental contemporaries.

>>19050601
No, they are just racist genocidal maniacs

>>19050615
Kek
Covers all parties, there are no good guys-- just less of these and more of those

>>19050465
That is because the "intellectual class" has grown and now includes people who were not born into it which brings in more views. Historically, some of the major shifts in the intellectual class have come from people who moved up or that odd person who looked "beneath" their class for inspiration, this is not new by any means. Most of these people will be forgotten when their movement dies, one or two may make a contribution which has lasting effect.

>>19050652
>more views
Unread views are worthless primarily because untested, I don't what color or sex you are

>>19050416
True, there’s a significant group of women reading YA and Coming of Age fiction, but the majority of male readers are by no means reading the classics. They’re reading embarrassingly bad fantasy and science fiction novels that are basically written at a YA level (Brandon Sanderson, George R. R. Martin, etc) or schlocky mass-market crap produced by authors like Steven King, James Patterson, and Dan Brown. Most people just read genre fiction or pointless self-help books— reading canonical literature is a niche hobby for men and women alike.

>>19050667
>t. missed the point

>>19050672
Fair

>>19050685
I read a little into your point, yes, it wasn't difficult to grasp (if a little superfluous: what does 'becoming famous' have to do with anything?). We live in an age where branding takes precedence over leadership, identifying with the brand: intellectual timidity rules the day! Just when we need it least

>>19050316
agreed, this is a very reddit-tier post.

>>19050746
I never said anything about fame, just influence, big difference.

>>19050672
Yeah, that is a fair point. I take that statement back. I would say that my point is less about what men read and more about how having a growing group of plebs that base their identity on being "readers", ultimately causes the general opinions of that group to gain influence.

>>19050192
>My wife reads romantic poetry
ew

>>19050497
holy shit you are dumb. this is your brain on charles murray

>>19050465
What other anons said. Basically, an average woman with a doctorate today is less educated and knowledgeable than my great grandfather who only did 5 years in school. Not that it was the norm, but it tells you that back then people had more structure and common knowledge and focused their brainpower into something practical, improving their education more through life than through school. Consumerist "intellectuals" nowadays are a joke (especially spoiled/american/rich women with a degree). Id rather be a primitivist if intellectualism means refined chitchat.

>>19049796
>"Isn't that book like, really old?"
>50s is "really old"
that's pretty yikes. although the chrysalids is for babies, i read it in 8th grade

>>19050903
Name 10 good Congolese or Afghan writers.

>>19050903
yes anon, clearly the lack of pygmy literature is because of racism, and not because they did not have a written language until the white man gave them latin script

>>19050803
>be forgotten... make a contribution
Of course we'll never know who the contributors were because the reverse of 'be forgotten' is not in this equation
Whatever, boss

>>19050903
this is your brain on an IQ of 100 +/-5 and a healthy dose of self-deception

>>19049796
>>19050159
This is actually a growing trend in entertainment, you can see it especially prevalent in music and film as well. At some point the vast majority of it switched from appealing to adults to appealing to teenagers and young adults (18 - 25 roughly). It began in the 50s with rock & roll, kicked into high gear in the 80s/90s and pretty much completely subsumed everything in the 2000s. This is why there's so many 30+ manchildren around now, literally all entertainment is adult cartoons and comics and songs about partying and being young and everybody is refusing to grow up at all.

>>19049796
>The Chrysalids
Your wife sounds like an insecure and emotional bitch (like most women). Instead of getting in a fight about it try saying something comforting and deflationary like "yeah haha I guess we have different taste, variety is the spice of life, love you honey regardless of what book you read :)"

>>19049796
OP but your wife is a teenager stuck in an adult body. Sorry to say but the journey for personal growth will be a lonely one. Welcome to manhood.

[spoilers]saved on this OS[/spoilers]
Heh

>>19049796 (OP) #
OP but your wife is a teenager stuck in an adult body. Sorry to say but the journey for personal growth will be a lonely one. Welcome to manhood.

saved on this OS
Heh

>>19052595
>>19052602
third times the charm

>>19050915
>Consumerist "intellectuals"
Besides this, your post is boomerish. People with doctorates and PhDs are still the same kind of people who check out and play Call of Duty, watch netflix, disney+, or whatever have you on television during their meeger free time.

>>19052668
Yes, but they are at least aware of it. They don't hold it up as something better than the classics

>>19053333
checked

What are your favorite books published in the last 10 years?

>>19051455
Forgotten by the majority, don't be dense.

>>19053423

>>19053497
sorry, i meant novel

>>19053614
Modern novels are pozzed quota-meeting publications :)

>>19049796
Why did you marry this woman?

>>19050465
This has happened before, but they failed, because Leo Strauss stopped them.

>>19050028
>I have never understood the trying to push the POC & LGBT+ agenda in literature
>The very reason I hate YA is because they try to pass toxic traits and personality flaws as quirky, and impressionable young girls try to emulate the characters.
Lit is just another tool in the kike's toolbox.

>>19050416
I think that statistic isn't especially useful. Number of books read isn't a great metric. Doesn't account for their length and reading speed. I'd argue time spend reading is a better metric. I've read like 10 books this year but that's included Anna k and war and peace and I'll be starting Ulysses soon. Compare those to your standard 300 page contemporary pieces.

>>19054063
If some book mentions some people or concept I know nothing about and I spend half an hour or so reading wiki articles about them does it count as reading the book or not?

>>19054103
Good question. I'm not an authority on this matter. But for most purposes I'd say "no", that reading time should be only counted as time with book in hand and eyes on page. Otherwise, are you reading when you are thinking about the book later, discussing it with a friend, or on your phone responding to a text with your book in hand? Food for thought, I guess.

>>19049796
>marrying western women
Why, OP? Why did you inflict this curse on yourself?

>>19050192
based wife

>>19054103
might as well buddi.
sure neticheze says we can only fit 200words at mmax per day .even for the highly inttelllieuncatl.any more that that and its a bonus but u do miss the paper feel
>ib4bitofamiisquote*winkwink

>>19049796
i bet this really happened

>>19049872
>whats more peculiar is how people like that don't get burned out on the same dry and literal prose.
There's no dearth of it, and you can find it with any sort of content you like.

>>19050192
>My wife reads romantic poetry and psychoanalytic case studies and would never give me shit for reading dead white men or whatever
My wife buys me pro-Nazi and Holocaust denial books as gifts.

The biggest mistake you can make is marrying an "educated" girl.

>>19054321
>Nazi not natsoc
bait

>>19054329
There's no point in splitting hairs. Goebbels published 'Nazi-Sozi' and I'm also working on typesetting & translating rare works on the 3R.

>>19049796
>I asked her what was funny, and she asked, "Isn't that book like, really old?" So I just said "You wouldn't like it because it isn't for babies" and that started another fight.
You poor bastard.

>>19050316
Also this.

>>19054325
If you're not much of a man, then yeah marrying someone with a personality is probably a mistake. Consider therapy.

>>19049796
>My wife pretty much exclusively buys young adult literature and she's pushing 30. I think this is because we both went to a college where the english program was aging white women
Dude wake up. Women are children - obviously they don't read classics. The reason you're suffering is because you listen to women and view them as our intellectual equals - big mistake.

>>19054361
Sounds like something a woman would say. Please, kindly leave us alone.

>>19054361
>>19054325
Bro any girl who is educated or otherwise is normally btfo'd by their husband in a debate because they select for men smarter than them. Just date conservative types - liberal women are liars to themselves and the world.

>>19053466
What's the reverse of forgotten by the majority? Remembered by the majority. And what is 'to be remembered by the majority'? Famous.
My point is that by banishing 'fame' via your own (mis-)interpretation of your own post no one can ever know who the few who contribute even are/were, and therefore that they (the people) were ever 'influenced'.
Do you know what faulty parallelism is? That's what you're arguing for. Though I thought forgotten/famous superfluous, I did give you the benefit of the doubt when scanning your post.
Oddest of all is that you don't even mention 'influence,' yet that's what you *want* your 'implication' to yield. Sorry, the implication of the post itself is 'fame' and 'be forgotten' is what entirely sets that up.

>>19054372
>because they select for men smarter than them
>tfw my crush explicitly told me "I don't date men smarter than me"

>>19055218
Huh I wonder if your crush was a liberal.

>>19055274
We never discussed politics.

>>19049796
When the rise of invisible style as the epitome of good writing happened.

>>19054372
>winner of a debate with women
>being the person who is more intelligent
>and thus uses more cogent arguments
Anon, have you ever debated a woman in your entire life?

>>19054676
>your own (mis-)interpretation of your own post
Ok, your not even trying now, you are just arguing to argue.
>Oddest of all is that you don't even mention 'influence,
I said, a contribution which has a llasting effect? Fame does not last beyond ones life, if you did not have influence that you will not make a contribution which has lasting effect. Perhaps if you actually read my post instead of just scanned it you would not have come off like a complete moron.

>>19050589
The 3D remix of Computer Love is kino

>>19049796
My frustratingly well read partner reads mostly new books. She seems to have read a lot of old stuff in the past, but now just reads books about pain, or grief, and predominantly from the last 5 years. It's impressive how much she reads but we can rarely discuss books because there are few we have both read. Convinced her to read Confederacy of Dunces next, tho.

>>19049796
>women
found your problem

>>19055218
She meant
>I don't want to date you for a very superficial and hurtful reason, so I will soften the blow by lying to you

>>19057058
It's not like she never told me superficial and hurtful stuff anyway.
By the way in that context she wasn't even specifically speaking about me, only indirectly.

>>19049796

Based