/lit/ - Literature

>>19043777

>>19043777
The Tartar Steppe by Dino Buzzati. If you are older than 21, are NEET and on 4chan you need to read it before its too late.

Italian neo-latin poets of the rinascimento especially Filelfo (satyrae) and Beccadelli (hermaphroditus)

Maybe more obvious than some authors but I like Eugenio Montale from what I've read. Still looking for a good translation.

Give me good books for beginners in learning the language (I know only Pinocchio). Also things to listen and watch.

>>19043777
I have to learn Italian because of pic related. They also produced great poetry. But I'm already learning another language.

It will be at least a decade until I can begin learning the language. Aftef I seize power I will employ professional language instructors for myself.

>>19044235
The guy wrote non-fiction, you don't have to learn italian in order to read him.

>>19044265
Most of his work including his magnum opus "sistema di logica" is untranslated.

Anglos don't care for idealism.

Ezra Pound

>>19044298
What did he write in italian?

Giorgio Agamben

>>19043813
it's not even in the canon
so fuck off

>>19044214
Salgari

>>19044334
Nice, thanks!

Based on an Anon recommendation i've been reading Alberto Arbasino. Wonderful, but extremely difficult.

>>19043777
I don't know how obvious it is, but Petrarca's Canzoniere is from another world, some of the most powerful stuff you can find on this gay earth. And I am someone who fast forwards love/sex scenes in movies.

Anna Maria Ortese if you like magic realism (although it is a completely different style from most famous MR authors).

Isabella Santacroce's VM18: something like A clockwork orange, but the main characters are 14 year old girls living in a boarding school, and the narration imitates some stylistic elements from medieval narrative.

>>19043777
I'll say Pirandello, I don't know how famous he is out there, but here it's famous.

good thread

>>19044214
la divina commedia

>>19046215
He's very famous.

Obscure stuff would be authors like Gadda, Vittorini, Marino, Metastasio, Montale. Obscure in the sense that most foreign readers don't know them, though of course every truly cultured person knows them too (I'm not from Italy).

>>19043777
Gadda, Pasolini (Petrolio), Morselli

Mari - Io venía pien d'angoscia a rimirarti
Manganelli - Centuria, or Pinocchio
Michelstaedter - La rettorica e la persuasione
Landolfi - Cancroregina, or any of his collection of tales
Majorino - Viaggio nella presenza del tempo

>>19044214
>to watch
rossellini, fellini (specially dolce vita and 8 1/2).
Calvino could be recommended, as the grammar is simple and the grammar is modern, but often it's about weird, supernatural stuff that can make it confusing to understand.
If you like what is call modernism, a good one is la coscienza di zeno, by a friend of Joyce's who was not a native italian, so it is interesting to read, being also a non-italian native.
Also look for short stories, they are very good for learning to read in a new language, because they are easy to wrap your head around, to understand as a whole, and are usually written in simpler language.

>>19048144
>as the grammar is simple and the grammar is modern,
And the vocabulary is modern. Fixed.

>>19048144
I didn’t know Svevo’s could be accessible like that. Interesting. Yeah I would love to get some short stories to read (that’s how I started to become more familiar with english), do you have any recommendation of short writers/stories to be read?

This is our david foster wallace; the same ideas about irony but with a warmer and more classical prose

>>19048448
Not him, but Calvino wrote Fiabe Italiane, kind of a Italian answer to the Grimms. These might be even easier than his short stories.

>>19049107
What a great recommendation. Thank you very much, anon.

bump

Italians smell

>>19052464
>in a literature board
>blaspheming italians
why are you even here?

>>19050834
Bumping bump

>>19043777
Why don't Italians have freckles?
Because they would slide off

>>19043813
Yes. The Tartar Steppe is THE book for 4chan neets.

>>19043777
Recently borrowed this from a friend, "Retablo" by Vincenzo Consolo. Modern book set in the 1700s and written in that style.

>>19043777

>>19043777
Piero Chiara.
Vitaliano Brancati.
Stefano Benni.

>>19053912
Explain

>>19048467
Fuck off Giorgio nobody is buying your shit.

>>19054396
>Rosalia. Rosa e lia. Ro-sa-lia. Amore della mia vita, fuoco dei miei lombi.

Italian Folktales from Italo Calvino

None :)

>>19055341

Another Calvino recommendation: Invisible Cities.

It's like poetic travelogues about procedurally generated cities, amazing.

Guido Morselli

As far as I’m aware only two of his novels have been published in English, both published by the New York Review of Books, but I read The Communist and it’s only one of my favourite Italian novels (and I’ve read a lot of books by Italian authors); even if you’re not a leftist, The Communist captures the political climate of post-war Italy so well, as well as being a great account of what it’s like to grow out of your past beliefs. Morselli’s story is quite tragic as he was rejected from practically every single publisher (including Calvino’s) so was forced to work in his dad’s pharmaceutical company then killed himself.

Also shoutout to Cesare Pavese who is relatively famous within Italy (he’s on par with Calvino in terms of fame) but doesn’t seem to get a lot of recognition outside of Italy; he’s without a doubt my favourite author - incredibly bleak and pessimistic. His diaries are beautifully tragic though.

>>19056592
Divertimento 1889 and Contro-passato prossimo (Past Conditional) were also translated, not as recently though.

Anybody knows Superwoobinda by Aldo Nove?

>>19056592
>His dad's pharmaceutical company
Oh that poor bourgeois boy.

>>19043863
A lot of his stuff is untranslatable, except for close Romance languages like Spanish (maybe not even then)

>>19046215
He's a Nobel Prize winner. The other Sicilian Nobel Prize winner, Salvatore Quasimodo, is also spectacular, but he wrote virtually only poetry.

>>19043777
I'm shocked nobody has mentioned it yet.

>>19059426
Ad esempio?

>>19046955
Kek

>>19044300
Two cantos in Italian
They’re known as “The Italian Cantos”

>>19043777
i cannot quite convey how close to home Cesare Pavese's novels hit. i have a soviet clothbound edition from a series that published obscure foreign authors' most acclaimed works in each volume, a Hidden Gem Thread in print

>>19047068
pasolinichad barging in. the demiurge himself arranged an execution by a deranged twink for him to honor him in death.

>>19044313
Fuck off
>>19043813
It’s the tartar desert but yes, it’s great

>>19059598
>It’s the tartar desert but yes, it’s great
It's english name is Tartar Steppe for some reason

>>19043777
gianfranco ravasi

I fucking hate all Italian communists, fuck Mussolini for being too kind to those rats.

decameron, dunno how popular it is to non-italians

>>19060111
>Mussolini
This man was a literal commie

>>19060111
Die retard

>>19060143
Popular enough to influence a /lit/ book

>>19043777
Emanuel Carnevali, the First God and his poems. He techincally writes in English but he was an Italian immigrant in New York in the first half of the 1900s. His life was terrible: ridden with poverty, perversion, physical and mentall illness, all while thinking that he was a poet and his voice was the voice of god. I think this board should adopt him.

Not sure how we are defining obvious, but Zeno's Conscience is a great book.

>>19060187
In italian you can find most of his poems and his autobiographical novel in this edition. If foreigners are interested, the novel is translated in italian from english but his poems have the english text on the side, so more than half the book should be readable for you.

>>19060146
I know, that's why it's sad. Commies usually kill more commies.
>>19060168
You will never be a real Italian, Franjo Slavovic.

>>19043777
Primo Levi wrote excellent sci-fi, but he's only remembered for holocaust books
He predicted 3D printer
He imagined a device that can record experiences on some kind of support which you can buy and then "live" as it was some kind of virtual reality movie (This concept is the same of the Kathryn Bigelow's movie Strange Days, written by James Cameron, starring Ralph Fiennes, Angela Bassett, Juliette Lewis and Tom Sizemore. I don't know if they had access to Primo's stories, but if they didn't that's even more remarkable)

>>19043863
Based. No idea about translations though,>>19059426 is right
>>19045816
Never heard about the females, noted.
>>19048144
>If you like what is call modernism, a good one is la coscienza di zeno, by a friend of Joyce's who was not a native italian, so it is interesting to read, being also a non-italian native.
Ettore Schmitz' mother was Italian, you can fucking bet he was a native speaker.
>>19056592
Based Pavese appreciator
>>19059577
Amazing, tell me more. Are you a Russian speaker? Also, who else this series published?
>>19060111
http://dati.acs.beniculturali.it/CPC/

>You aren't a fascist, are you?
>She was serious, and laughing. I took her hand and puffed.
>We all are, dear Cate - I said under my breath - If we weren't, we should revolt, throw bombs, risk our necks. He who let things go, and is content with it, he's already fascist.
Cesare Pavese.

>>19060429
>>You aren't a fascist, are you?
>>She was serious, and laughing. I took her hand and puffed.
>>We all are, dear Cate - I said under my breath - If we weren't, we should revolt, throw bombs, risk our necks. He who let things go, and is content with it, he's already fascist.
Bruh that's cool shit

What was his most pessimistic novel?

>>19060442
>Bruh that's cool shit
I know, but please consider that I translated this short quote on the spot, so a professional would definitely do better

>What was his most pessimistic novel?
I'm afraid I can't answer, I've read only a handful of his books, not even the main ones. The main ones I think are The Moon and the Bonfires, and "The House on the Hill". But he also wrote short stories, poetry and translations of American authors, so limiting yourself to his novels might be a problem. I recently read "The Comrade", one dude who doesn't give a fuck about anything (likes playing guitar, drinking wine and wander aimlessly) gets more and more into politics. I liked it, but you have to consider that I'm from the same area of Pavese, so many of his references hit me really hard, in a way that you can only understand if you've lived here.

>>19060523
I am from other side of the world so I wouldn't get those references but pessimistic sense of doom and gloom is same on every inch of this planet.

Are you also like the dude in Comrade? Do you also wander aimlessly? What is your like anon?

>>19060429
>Are you a Russian speaker? Also, who else this series published?
yeah. this series is extremely vast to my knowledge, one of my all-time favorite editions from USSR. it's called Masters of Contemporary Prose and most often comes in clothbound hardcovers, sometimes fake leather and a few rare paperbacks. from moderately popular to exceedingly obscure authors in excellent translations, and the print runs were so large these are still very cheap when you buy second hand.

>>19060661
Lovely minimalism design

>>19060429
Still seething about 1922? I can't imagine someone more cucked than a communist: cucked out of their revolution larp in 1922, 1945, 1948, 1970s and now confined in Bofogna, as NEETs with a degree bought by their not-so working class families.

>>19060694
Says the slave of the parasites, you'll never be one of them, no matter how much you lick their boots, incel

>>19060878
>Says the slave of the parasites
I'm not a communist though.
>you'll never be one of them,
One of whom? The capitalists? Of course I won't, taxes on newly-founded businesses are at >60% and there is no credit. Then there is the overwhelming power of the syndicates and confindustria to talk about. Italy is an economically dead protectorate.
> no matter how much you lick their boots
I don't lick their boots, in fact I'd put most Italian enterpreneurs (and most Italians in general) into a gas chamber.
>incel
Getting fucked in the ass doesn't count as losing your virginity, dimwit. Touch grass.

>>19043777
Canti Orfici By Dino Campana

>>19060878
Pagliaccio

>>19043777
Go and read Gog by Giovanni Papini.

>>19043813
I've got it on my shelf bro, it's there, waiting for me

>ctr+f
>No Gabrielle D'Annunzio
Pathetic , plebs the lot of you

>>19061049
Because he's obvious

>>19060950
>In fact I'd put most Italians in general into a gas chamber
Based

>>19061055
Outside of Italy? Not really

>>19061078
Even the Reclam Verlag in Germany has published D'Anunnzio's books in those cheap little yellow paperbacks. He's known worldwide for being Italy's latest Dante.

>>19060632
>pessimistic sense of doom and gloom is same on every inch of this planet.
This is mostly true, but for instance in "The Beach" - I can't remember a precise quote, but basically he doesn't like going to the seaside, tanning, swimming - He prefers our fucking Turin

>The most beautiful city in the world is Turin
>Little you can do about it
https://vimeo.com/274455144

>Are you also like the dude in Comrade?
Nah, he fucks a lot more than me
>Do you also wander aimlessly?
I did before, you know, all the shit that has happened lately

>>19061174
Not in NA he isn't. I guess outside of Europe I should say.

>>19060694
>Still seething about 1922?
???
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:DeadMussolini.jpg
>>19060661
Very cool, too bad I can barely say "Ochen krasivaja devushka, kak tebya zavut? Prekrazny glaza u vas jest", otherwise I'd definitely grab some

>>19060632
Btw I just realized Pavese is in the public domain now, at least according to Italian law (70 years, died in 1950)

>>19061282
Nice.

>>19061267
>tfw you have to invent a story about how he was fleeing to Switzerland and totally not just reaching the last holdouts of the ISR in order to throw dirt on his heroic death
"Lo avevo visto appeso alla tettoia del distributore di benzina, in piazzale Loreto, in mezzo a quella sudicia folla, a quella folla di vigliacchi che lo insultava e lo sporcava di sputi, con i pompieri che ogni tanto, col getto delle pompe, lo lavavano degli sputi e del sangue e delle immondizie che la folla gli gettava addosso, nell' aria afosa piena di un terribile odore di sporcizia e di morte. Non m' importava nulla che avesse sbagliato, che avesse coperto l' Italia di rovine, che avesse trascinato il popolo italiano nella più atroce miseria. Mi dispiaceva per tutti gli italiani, ma non per quella sudicia folla. E se anche quella folla di vigliacchi fosse stata composta di milioni e milioni d' italiani, non mi sarebbe importato nulla. Mi avrebbe fatto quasi piacere pensare che quella sudicia folla aveva quel che s' era meritato." Curzio Malaparte

>>19059621
Second. Great book

>>19061282
>Btw I just realized Pavese is in the public domain now, at least according to Italian law (70 years, died in 1950)
Trilussa too.

>>19043813
Have not read Tartar as its so hard to find for me, but his collection of short stories "Catastrophe" is great.

This man comes up to you at the book store and start sperging about how Dino Buzzati is a greater writer than Kafka, what do?

This man comes up to you at the book store and start sperging about how Dino Buzzati is a greater writer than Kafka, what do?

>>19061488
Does Ligotti really like Buzzati?

>>19061356
>dude, I REALLY needed two damigiane full of wedding rings to "resist in Valtellina", "Oro alla Patria" was a real thing, trust me bro
Imagine quoting Malaparte of all people, lmao
>>19061426
Eh, good luck translating him
>>19061488
Well Tom, everyone is entitled to his opinion, and I admit I haven't read as much Dino as I have read Franz. Why do you say this?

>>19061563
Where are the damigiane, Jack?

>>19043777
The Chevalier de Seingalt, the toppest ENTP the world has ever seen

>>19060442
God I love The House on the Hill, it’s a shame the penguin translation is so shit, then again most English-to-Italian translations are quite shit. I’ve recently ordered the NYRB’s collected writings of Pavese which has The House on the Hill in it, hopefully it’s a better translation.

>>19043777
What do you guys think about Amelia Rosselli and Fleur Jaeggy? Just bought some lf their books, really excited about reading Jaeggy

my favourite is calvino, but in terms of not obvious i really like the book "what is this buzzing? do you hear it too?" by luigi malerba

>>19062618
jaeggy is extremely based

>>19062632
Are there any more writers like here in the Italian tradition that you know of, Anon? I read one of her stories and it's definitely my thing

any italian houellebecq?

>>19062682
Leopardi

>>19062644
she's the only one i know like that but i'm also interested in more. that very precise, brutally cynical, detailed but taut style is like crack to me

>>19060950
No arguments, you’re a retard

>>19062706
What's there to argue about? Stupidity only warrants more stupidity.

>>19062704
What's your favourite book of her's? I got I am the brother of XX (in a Spanish translation)

>>19062610
>God I love The House on the Hill, it’s a shame the penguin translation is so shit
Do you have access to Penguin translation of that passage? I want to compare it to mine :) - as I said I'm not a professional

I've heard that they kept the hotel room where he took his like in the same conditions as that day

https://video.lastampa.it/torino/settant-anni-l-addio-a-cesare-pavese-la-camera-dialbergo-in-cui-si-suicido-e-come-allora/118457/118477

>>19062888
Here’s the penguin translation, it doesn’t really show off how bad the translation is but there are times where the sentences are really awkward to read - almost like someone just put the entire novel through some university-level google translate rather than actually sitting down and going through each sentence.

Thanks so much for sharing that though, I’ve always wondered what his last moments would have been like; I’m still surprised that he didn’t kill himself in Turin. I’m currently reading his letters and if it isn’t clear how much he loves Turin in his novels, boy is it blatant in his letters.

>>19063014
Thanks
I don't like the "protested" choice, the original is "sbuffai", which is that short emission of breath you make when you're bored, exhausted or similar, think of that a kid does when his mom tells him to clean his room. This is not "protesting", it's a completely different feeling/action.

> I’m still surprised that he didn’t kill himself in Turin.
He did though. Only the hotel is named Roma, it's in Turin.