/lit/ - Literature

Sounds about right, go to your local parish this Sunday.

>>19043335
I'd recommend looking into Lewis's debate with Wittgenstein's women-friend Anscombe. She didn't just refute him, she whooped him so bad he had to take time to recover; not to say that she was right: debate and truth are not as intimately related as people think.

>>19044160

Anscombe was a Catholic btw

>morality exists because of God
>so because morality exists, therefore God exists

checkmate atheists

>>19044194
Based and God-pilled. Good argument anon

>>19044194
And Buddha and Shiva and Allah and Nana Bukulu and Baghavan and Xwedê...
Seems a lot others too, with varying degrees of morality. But yours is the the real deal right?

>>19043335
I remember reading the first pages a long time ago. It began with how christian morals are cool because it's just the simple morals that even children know in their heart. This sounded completely wrong to me: one point that makes Christianity so different from the other religions, for me, is exactly the stress on how our natural-born morals won't serve us to get into heaven.

>>19044160
What was the topic of debate? If she was catholic

>>19044454
taking the bait
Truth is one, paths are many. That many interpret truth in a different way does not make truth any different. Why do so many religions have similar concepts in morality, anyway?
The logic of "there are many liars, therefore there is no truth" is perhaps the stupidest argument one can conceive.

>>19046393
Not me, but I was watching something the other day; I think it came on autoplay but I can't remember.

Anyway, it was an interview and it concerned Buddhism's influence on the West (and the person being interviewed is/was a Christian). He was asked what Christianity has that Buddhism lacks (in concern to why he'd remain a Christian after learning about multiple religions). He answered by reflecting on meetings he had with a prominent Buddhist scholar regarding the Four Noble Truths.

He went into a brief description of Buddhism's Four Noble Truths which centre around the idea that pain/suffering is caused by attachment and desire; by following Buddhism pain/suffering are overcome via giving up or renouncing attachment and desire. The interviewee then brought up the death of a family member (I think it was his brother) and how he can renounce the idea of desires/attachments but refuses to do so in certain contexts (e.g. the dead family member). He felt that there's an invaluable depth to the feelings that come via maintaining his attachment and the influence that the relationship continues to have--enriching his experience of life. He went into more detail than I can here but the bottom line centred around the idea that a finite understanding of such things, however limited, is more valuable and fulfilling than doing away with the idea of an attachment.

Now, I had the interview on while I was doing other things (it might have even come on autoplay) and I'm paraphrasing and being far less articulate than the person in the interview. However, his idea that the Christian faith is more valuable, at least for him. when it comes to understanding his connection to life and other people seems like it's an entirely valid and specific reason to assert one's Christian faith when asked "why not just be a Buddhist?"

>>19046393
P.S. >>19047270
It might add clarification if I mention that he brought up the meetings with the Buddhist scholar because he had specifically asked what the ideal reaction as a Buddhist would be in the context of the family member's death. (He reiterated the discussion he had and went over the Four Noble Truths in much more detail than I've hinted at above). The person being interviewed wasn't being dismissive or disingenuous regarding the Buddhist teachings...just comparing his Christian values and interpretation of the world and those of the scholar when asked to contextualize a real-world example (i.e. loss of a loved one).

He lived before the internet.

If he lurked at rekt threads over at /gif/ or liveleak i'm sure he would have stayed an Atheist

>>19047437
>If he lurked at rekt threads over at /gif/ or liveleak
kek, every moralist and christian should do this, especially those that rave about how all cultures are epic wholesomeness

>>19045836
Later in the book he talks about the different selves within all of us according to catholic teaching(as he understands it)
1. animal self (our absolute base desires, the fulfillment of our needs, animal duties) He talks about how the fullfillment of these desires can lead to ruin, by overindulgence. (sins of the flesh)
2. actual self (the perfect version)
3. Diabolocial self (our propensity for grave sin, like theft murder or abuse of power, the exercis of strength improperly on others).

If I remember correctly speaks about how certain things we know to be true, because our actual self holds power over our animal desires. When influenced by a society full of sin, it brings out our propensity to sin. Hence why he says children, with untainted eyes can determine these moral truths and then may slip into sin later in life.

Which Christianity, and why not Islam?

That Hideous Strength is a better book than 1984 and I highly rec it if you like Lewis

>>19047499
Just sounds like you've given up anon and not in a good way. Not sure why I would follow that path.

>cs lewis

>>19047502

I mean that I don't think the moral of Christianity is the natural moral children have. In fact, as a little kid I remember being confused both by the behavior of the old testament God and by the behavior and parables of Jesus. They all felt a weird kind of unfair. To me, this is the main point and the premise of the whole religion.

But somehow Lewis sees the exact opposite. This would get me very interesting in keeping on reading if he was a philosopher promising to explain how he got to that conclusion, but he's quite the opposite - an author that introduces all his controversial statements as self-evident truths you must agree to in order to follow his argument.

>>19047920
this is comically retarded
>>19044194
>morality exists because of God
i know you're joking but sauce?

>>19045964
Lewis had an argument that purported to show that under naturalism knowledge turns out to be impossible, and Anscombe thought his argument didn't work.

>>19047920
this is cosmically based

>>19047920
This is actually pretty damn accurate, though not in the way any Christian would want it to be. It accidentally exposes Christianity for what it truly is, a coping mechanism for wishful thinking that was never satisfied. How wonderfully ironic

>>19047920
>Every human desire has a corresponding real thing which can fulfill that desire.
But not fully. The existence of sex might not fully satisfy a man's desire for sex. In fact it rarely does.

In any case, it only proves the existence of religion itself. Not of God.

Lewis has some great quotes but I never felt like reading his books

>>19047898
charles carroll always goes on schizo-rants about that hideous strength on his stream. I look forward to reading the space trilogy soon

>>19047920
fucking saved, ty based anon

>>19043335
Supplement your reading with sincere prayer. You will not regret it.

>So I tell you: Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives; he who seeks finds; and to him who knocks, the door will be opened.

>What father among you, if his son asks for a fish, will give him a snake instead? Or if he asks for an egg, will give him a scorpion? So if you who are evil know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him!”

>>19047875
>and why not Islam?
I was very close to converting to Islam at one point, but then I came to gradually realize that it was a form of demonic deception. Muhammad did not talk with God directly. He claimed to talk with an angel who masqueraded as Gabriel. Interestingly St. Paul warned against angels of light who are actually demons in disguise. When I learned of the old OT prophecies concerning Jesus, and his appearances throughout the OT as well, I came to see Islam more and more as a heresy / judaized version of Christianity. The denial of the crucifixion was another eyebrow-raiser. After much prayer, God also made it clear that Jesus was the way to go.

>>19043335
Christ is King

>>19044194
Sounds reasonable. I kneel

>>19052101
Had a Christian phase
Prayed honestly
Nothing happened
Prayed again
Nothing happened
Repeat a few times
Same result
I've now moved on from this bullshit

>>19052917
>praying for "results"
You were preordained to not make it.

>>19052790
How do you cope with the fact that in 50 years your religion will be predominantly Africans, Asians and mutts?

>>19053911
There is no Jew or Greek in Christ, brother.

>>19053927
Cuckstianity

>>19052917
Exact opposite for me, and I wasn’t even sure it God was real at that point. Prayer works. I hope you will keep trying one day, the key is sincerity and humility. It does feel silly at first, but then God makes Himself known when He chooses to.

>>19053911
>>19053962
>NOOO NOT MY HECKIN RACIAL IDOL

>>19054112
what's your ethnicity?

>>19054126
White American of German and Finnish descent—not that it matters since you will call me a Jew regardless of what I say. Not saying that you should hate your own kin, or that you have to marry into non-Whites, but /pol/ ideology consists of turning race into an idol. Many of them put their race above God, and pervert Christianity into a vehicle for their worldly racial politics. Anyone who is not a complete LARPer can see right through it

>>19053911
>But avoid foolish controversies, genealogies, dissensions, and quarrels about the law, for they are unprofitable and worthless

>>19054104
But I thought praying for results was bad

>>19054175
No I won't, I mostly agree, but how do you deal with this reality >>19053911 ?
>>19054181
Except that in a century, white people will be near extinct, great job

>>19044194
>morality exists
Lol

>>19047499
Harsher circumstances actually make people more likely to be religious

>>19054298
>Except that in a century, white people will be near extinct, great job
And?

>>19054273
Treating God like a genie is bad. Prayer can bring results but that’s not the main purpose of prayer

>thinking God cares about morality
ngmi. God is either love (Christ) or authority. (Jews)

>>19053905
Cope
>>19054104
Nah I'm done, this shit is delusion pure and simple

>>19054298
>how do you deal with this reality >>19053911 #
The problem will fix itself the more globalization fails and becomes unpopular. People naturally have a preference for their own kind unless they have an impetus to miscegenate (social status, etc) or if they are pressured to via social engineering. Race-mixing is pushed today hard in the media, entertainment and other areas. It’s connected with globalization, first and foremost. Jews want to make a global communist-like technocracy, and turning everyone into an ethnic mishmash is part of this. Ultimately if Whites don’t save themselves there’s nothing we can do. I don’t have anything against non-Whites per se, or do I necessarily want Whites to succumb to degeneracy, godlessness and materialism. Race is a factor for me but it’s not an ultimate factor. Destroy liberalism and Jewish power and most issues are fixed

>>19054414
based

>>19047437
>If he lurked at rekt threads over at /gif/ or liveleak i'm sure he would have stayed an Atheist
Man is fallen, no Christian would be surprised

>>19043335
you can't refute a braindead protestant? sad

>>19054462
>no refutation
Even the dumbest Protestant is irrefutable due the power of the Holy Spirit

>>19054414
I think you massively underestimate what is at stake. This fight might take decades, if not centuries. If during that time whites dwindle, the fight is already lost. Your religion cannot exist without whites, yet that is what will happen. You cannot expect your God to come save you. He gave you the tools to do that yourself. Do it.
>Destroy liberalism and Jewish power and most issues are fixed
How will you do it if you are not willing to stand up for your people?
>>19054386
Without white people, there will only be elites and slaves. You will either be dead or a slave.

>>19054579
>Your religion cannot exist without whites
Okay, buddy

I love how wh*toids fill this world with materialism, empiricism, skepticism, naturalism, atheism, industrialism and all sorts of degeneracy beyond all comprehension, and then pass the blame to everyone else.

>>19054655
Prove me wrong. What will christianity look like without whites?

>>19054733
Jews aren't white

>>19054807
>confusing causation with correlation

>>19054842
>reddit tier take
You can look up all those ideologies you named, and find out that most of them were propagated not by whites (although some whites obviously joined in)

>>19043335
>can’t refute the most midwit of midwit authors
I feel sorry for you

>>19054911
David Hume, Ludwig Feuerbach, Hegel, Adam Smith, Jeremy Bentham, James Mill, John Stuart Mill, Charles Darwin, T.H. Huxley, Saint-Simone, Baron D’Holbach, Marquis de Sade, Jean Jacques Rousseau, John Locke, Voltaire, Friedrich Nietzsche, René Descartes and many, many others laid the grounds for Jews to worm their way into Europe’s rotting corpse afterwards. This is not even to mention how Protestantism is instrumental in the destruction of Europe of as well. Jews only came in after Europe was philosophically and spiritually undermined by materialists, deists, evolutionists, rationalists, nihilists, utilitarians, skeptics and empiricists alike. Blaming Jews for what Europeans wrought is the ultimate cope