/lit/ - Literature

No.

>>19021734
Moldbug literally contradicts this.

>>19021751
Moldbug is a faggot.

>>19021767
Ur mom is a faggot

Contradicted by neuroplasticity
If you spend a long time doing one activity, neuronal clusters will rearrange themselves to make this activity more efficient. It has nothing to do with innate sensitivities. You can brute force anything given a few years

>>19021772
hi curtis

>>19021734
it was true as a post but it is not true as a screencap

>>19021778
how nice, another tripfag. do you mind at least telling us what your trip means? I can't read chink scribbles

>>19021794
lrn2katakana

>>19021794
'bipolar-tan'

Also welcome to my filter.

>>19021751
Moldbug is garbage.
Stop spamming.

>>19021778
Your neuronal clusters rearranging themselves in a certain way also affect other aspects since your neurons don't exist only to solve mathematical problems but a whole lot of other things.

>>19021805
I disagree. Also I am not spamming anything.

>>19021734
Yes

>>19021800
ok I just parsed it through a translator and it means something like "bipolar tan". what does it mean? you're bipolar and have a suntan?
>>19021801
butthurt chink detected

>>19021818
You disagree but you're a retard who fell for some faggot.

Most people here did STEM in college

>>19021734
Nope, STEM (particularly mathematics and physics) is the best form of preparing to be /lit/. The analytical reasoning which learning these fields endows you with is the best thing you can have in studying literature.

>>19021840
this
STEMniggers DOMINATE the poorfag "English" or "liberal arts" (read: macdonalds cashier training)

Not necessarily, but the ideology surrounding much science education and natural science circles these days does produce a one-sided intellect and an aesthetic and conceptual insensitivity that’s profoundly debilitating. I think those in “STEM” disciplines need to consciously resist the reductivism, vulgar empiricism, scientism, and general illiteracy with regards to literature, history, and many other human concerns in their ranks. That being said, most “humanists” follow trends and fleeting sensations and couldn’t rigorously think through a problem if they tried. Socially, it seems we’re fucked in this respect: the gulf between those with technical proficiency but no sensibility and those with a modicum of taste but no appreciation of seeking out the truth systematically is getting wider. Only autodidacts seem to be able to bridge the gap and pursue any kind of meaningful Bildung.

>>19021858
not true. the knowledge you gain as a STEM student is necessarily fragmented and lacks a unifying theme which is why most STEMfags are completely oblivious to the epistemological limitations of the sciences, they don't know that modern science lacks unity which used to be provided by metaphysics and hence they're the first to defend naive positivism and "trust the experts" approach to politics.

>>19021826
if you can’t read kana and don’t know what “tan” means but insist on posting here please kill yourself desu

the 99th percentile of /my group/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the 50th percentile of /your group/

>>19021867
>Only autodidacts seem to be able to bridge the gap and pursue any kind of meaningful Bildung.
absolutel based, it's high time for the autodidact NEET nobility to inherit the Earth
captcha: MAR0K

>>19021734
A lot of cool philosophers and intellectuals of the past were mathematicians and stuff. Modern STEM tends to attract an annoying kind of philistine midwit loser who thinks he's more intelligent for rejecting anything non-scientific, including art, think Richard Dawkins. People like Plato or Goethe had no problem balancing the pursuit of understanding the natural world with the pursuit of satisfying the soul through art and philosophy.

>>19022045
This, you need to have harmony between science and spirit.

>>19022045
Wrong. Plato was literally lost in the clouds and had nothing useful to say about the real world.
He denied life.

>>19021734
Stopped reading at first line

>>19022045
>rejecting anything non-scientific, including art, think Richard Dawkins
When did he reject art?

>>19021858
How many mathematicians were good authors?

>>19022045
Goethe studied law

>>19021878
What unity are you talking about?

>>19021867
What makes you think autodidacts do not fall into the same trap?

>>19022745
Lewis Carrol comes to mind

>>19022796
So 1, and that too a children's author and an alleged pedophile
Next terrible example for your case?

>>19021778
Disproven in a thousand words.

>>19021878
>not true. the knowledge you gain as a STEM student is necessarily fragmented and lacks a unifying theme which is why most STEMfags are completely oblivious to the epistemological limitations of the sciences, they don't know that modern science lacks unity which used to be provided by metaphysics and hence they're the first to defend naive positivism and "trust the experts" approach to politics.
The same is true of almost all non-STEM students though, except perhaps the strongest studying philosophy. It is not a limitation of STEM but of midwits and/or the education system.
My university has far more screeching leftists begging for mask mandates and vaccine mandates coming from the humanities departments than from the STEM departments. Which is beautifully ironic.

>>19021867
Based take. This post more or less solves the eternal /lit/ STEM vs humanities question.

>>19022834
retard

>>19022957
What did it solve?

>>19022788
I didnt understand this either. You just end up learning most things by yourself anyway in universities. So an autodidact is supposed to turn out the same way

>>19021878
Non-STEM cope. The narrowness of study is a feature of all modern university pedagogy regardless of subject. It's much more likely for a STEM scholar to know a good amount of philosophy than a philosopher to know any amount of engineering and science.

STEM is waging for smart people

>>19021778
>>19021800

>settings
>filters and post hiding
>check first option and edit
>add, check auto and hide
>type in the pattern, its the character string following the ! after the tripfags name
>save and refresh

>>19022045
they never knew about anthropology, evolution.
It made religion, older philosophers much less significant for a smart person,

>>19021866
>i'm superior because I did compsi in community college

>>19021734
false choice. your university major doesn't have to define your worldview.

>>19023757
>It's much more likely for a STEM scholar to know a good amount of philosophy than a philosopher to know any amount of engineering and science
Objectively false

>>19021734
STEM Lords read more than /lit/.

Slaves learn numbers to control nature; masters learn letters to control the slaves.

>>19024674
Yeah, this person has clearly never met a somebody who underwent a course in History and Philosophy of Science.

That's my post.

Yes it's true

>>19024782
Interesting take. Never thought it that way. You're basically learning numbers in STEM and letters in humanities

>>19021734
Yes, but only temporarily. Your brain bounces back. I spend a semester of hard study in STEM and when I spent some time in nature afterwards, I've had an experience similar to a mushroom trip according to what I've read but without the hallucinations, of course. I've never done any psychedelics.

>>19024782
>works minimum wage job
>controls the slaves

>>19021885
wtf does kana tan mean

>>19024961
Humanities dominate both the top and the bottom of the hierarchy. STEM are the boring middle pack. If you're a STEM, chances are you'll end up working under a humanities major anyway

>>19022788
>>19023689
think anon means people have to make an effort and consciously organize their own education so that they don’t get stuck on either side. makes sense desu

>>19021778
We dont read moon runes aroumd these parts namefag.

>>19024961

>>19025311
Bad data cause people from STEM backgrounds don't go for leadership positions anyway. Your point would've been valid if equal number people from all disciplines attempted for leadership positions and data showed most non-STEM backgrounds to be succeeding

>>19025016
a humanities major who went to harvard and got an MBA, maybe. everyone works for those dicks, why should i feel bad about that?

>>19021734
Not really. Mathematical talent is heavily associated with linguistic and artistic one. The only question is whatever learning Calculus helps make you sharper in other subjects, or if people that can master Calculus are more capable of mastering other stuff as well.

>>19021885
This is the /lit/ board. No chink comics allowed.

>>19025480
Not really. Most great authors either came from a law background or English.

>>19025510
Eh, many were functionally polymaths(before the end of the 19th century), and even after that they were generally academic overachievers rather "I am bad at math but good at writing".

>>19025311
Leafs are world leaders of education in education

Lmfao

>>19025311
>Chad
>Math & Science
Truly the CHAD republic.

>>19025526
And why did the trend stop after 19th century? Think about it. Because the modern form of math became useless and abstract

>>19025557
>Because the modern form of math became useless and abstract
People don't study math to be number-crunchers and never have. In the 18th century bored monks were already working on arcane shit like knot theory, which didn't have a "practical" use until centuries later when our understanding of chemistry and physics became sophisticated enough to apply it to things like DNA

>>19025557
>And why did the trend stop after 19th century?
Because math(and most STEM) became increasingly more specialized and time consuming to learn, reducing the accessibility of the higher end stuff to the layman(even if the layman is nominally supposed to actually know more than 100 years ago).
>Because the modern form of math became useless and abstract
Not really. And if anything current "highbrown" art and literature(particularly the former) is infamously obsessed with abstraction to the point that is nearly impossible to be appreciated by the common men .

>>19025557
The problem is public schooling. A major force behind the development of the American education system was to create a new class of worker that could replace the field of specialists in factories and trade professions. This is what people mean when they say that humanities majors get all the worst jobs: the "humanities" taught in schools is just enough for the average person to understand the average McJob training session. Without it, that training would be given by the more experienced workers, who could then threaten to quit or go on strike. Note that in WWII, women working in factories were deliberately kept from learning how to set or tune manufacturing equipment, even if they could do so and wanted to. Education gave them the means and desire to become good factory workers. It's quite different from the days of the Founding Fathers, when a man could beat or educate his slaves as much as he wanted, and both for personal pleasure, even.

different epistemological positions come to different conclusions because they place a different emphasis on the value and purpose of knowledge. it's hardly a surprise, but it doesn't mean a STEM-lord can't appreciate literature.

>>19021867
>>19021903
>>19022957
Based and redpilled autodidact-CHADS wagmi.
>t. mathfag

>>19025585
anon i don’t think monks were working on knot theory i think they just drew nice knots. i’d love to be mistaken if you have a source. i also agree with your general point fwiw

Counter example: Dostoevsky was an engineer.

>>19026204
so that's why crime & punishment was so autistic

>>19025595
>became increasingly more specialized and time consuming to learn
the math taught in undergrad is not at all very specialised

>>19025311
Lukashenko from Belarus could probably be assumed to have come from engineering and architecture because he used to be the leader of a collective farm from the old soviet days. as for Mongolia why can't they just look up the presidents early life on Wikipedia.

>>19026661
and that's why stem will always be under humanaties.

ITT: bunch of talentless hacks coping

>>19026661
Based

>>19024782
At most that's what women do.

>>19021734
AHAHAHAHahahahah! COPE!

>>19021741
FPBP

>>19022180
True. As many people do today. Fuck Plato and fuck the retards that follow him.

>>19021734
Newton was a magician

>>19021867
What's your major?

>>19024782
>he still doesn’t see the connection between language and mathematics
study godel and theoretical comp sci

Bump

>>19028412

>>19030919
These guys went for gov jobs specifically because they couldn't find normals jobs. People from stem do not have the same need

>>19022180
>>19028452
Plato in his prime could have beat you up in a fight.

>>19030932
>These people go for among the most powerful and prestigious jobs in the country because they can't get any other job

>>19031480
Lmao... What's the attempted point of this comment. To tell us that you're a skinny wimp?

1. The only martial art that faggot would have known is wrestling, try that against BJJ and Muay Thai.

2. Did he even lift bro? Even if he did our training methods have come so far even in the last 50 years it's incredible.

My point is (which is completely unrelated to everything itt except your bizarre reply) I would kick the shit out of Plato in his prime NOW (when I'm not even fully into my prime).

>>19026661
This

>>19023757
>It's much more likely for a STEM scholar to know a good amount of philosophy than a philosopher to know any amount of engineering and science.
this is probably the least correct post in the entire thread congrats anon

>>19021885
The best thing that ever happened to this board was bullying all the anime fags to /a/ you guys are fucking insufferable.

>>19021751
I'd say the opposite.