/lit/ - Literature

>>18994037
You have to read better translations. These religions are not nihilistic. Just because they are not theistic does not me they are not nihilistic.
Also, it's important to be impartial when dealing with difficult theological or metaphysical questions.

They do all the time. The problem you're running into is twofold. Firstly, most of that sort of stuff is untranslated, and when it is it's not in a context that Westerners find meaningful. Motoori Norinaga is incredibly important to Shinto, for example, and created the intellectual foundation of the Japanese Empire, but 90% of what he did was poems about why Japan had the best flowers and catalogues of Japanese mountains. Secondly, a lot of that stuff is incredibly local. 道教 (which is an entirely separate tradition from Chinese Folk Religion) is hyper granular. There are large numbers of rituals that you literally cannot do outside of a specific area because it involves asking the 56th Celestial Dragon Master of the Pingpong Valley to give you some wisdom, and guess what, he lives in the Pingpong valley and you have to go to the Pingpong valley to go talk to him.

This is compounded by the incredible logocentrism of the Anglo, wherein these religions are argued to not even exist because the practitioners believe that their Gods and spirits exist and aren't just characters in books. This extends into modern academia.

It’s probably that the religion necessarily excludes philosophy. There is no Norse philosophy to my knowledge either.

>>18994447
You can extract certain philosophical views from the Edda poems for example. Like morality.

Odin's wife could see the future and still she pretended that Odin had died and would never come back and fucked both of Odin's brothers and gave away all of Odin's stuff to them. Then Odin came back and "took back his wife" and then 'the end'.

It shows how some actions which we would see as abhorrent was just a cute spousal prank for them.

It just doesn’t matter.

>>18994037
You have to understand what religion is. The start of religion is the concept of death (imo) and through this foundation we see religion develop.

Burial culture > ancestor veneration > sacrifice culture (animals) > animism > astrology > sacrifice culture (humans) > paganism > monotheism > Jesus sacrifice.
Idk where some elements are and that's not formal but rebirth cycles is another bit. I know Mayans had rebirth cycles mixed in w astrology so again it's not formal. Either way we can see that East Asians had these developments as well. I'm not sure that it never developed past animism but I will say given the nature Christianity and Islam have had in influence on China I would say that Chinese spiritual developments were strong in their direction. Reposting pr

>>18994037
All respectable philosophers were heavily critical of the religious practices and metaphysical attitudes of their societies. For example, see Plato (especially Laws, but also Euthyphro and Cratylus) and

The major religions of China Buddhism, Confucianism, and Taoism focus on the proper way to live rather than mankind's connection to God. China does have a whole pantheon of gods and goddesses like the Greeks and Romans, kind of serving the same function.

>why is this philosophical outlook that developed independently from middle eastern monothism so different from middle eastern monotheism?

There really is no hope for some of you.

>>18994083
How do you know all of this?

>>18994083
>>18995836
Any books about this?

>>18996293
Intellectual Foundations of China by Frederick Mote

>>18995213
Are you sure that that's what that means? Perhaps this is a commentary on "the nature of woman."

>>18995213
>>18996373
If she refused to act as a widow it would arise suspision from the other gods.

>>18996396
Can you post the relevant sections here? Also, apparently that's not from the Eddas, but from a completely different set of texts called the Ynglinga Saga. Here's how it's described on wiki:
>According to the saga, while Odin was away, Odin's brothers Vili and Vé oversaw Odin's holdings. Once, while Odin was gone for an extended period, the Æsir concluded that he was not coming back. His brothers started to divvy up Odin's inheritance, "but his wife Frigg they shared between them. However, a short while afterwards, [Odin] returned and took possession of his wife again.[32]
It looks like it was his brothers who betrayed him, and Frigg is essentially inert and powerless here. What is your reading?

>>18996437
It was the wife's idea. And she knew the future so she knew he came back, but didn't tell his brothers.

>>18994083
>it involves asking the 56th Celestial Dragon Master of the Pingpong Valley to give you some wisdom, and guess what, he lives in the Pingpong valley and you have to go to the Pingpong valley to go talk to him
https://youtu.be/cnaeIAEp2pU?t=6

>>18994447
>It’s probably that the religion necessarily excludes philosophy
retarded statement. it's porn out of a religious apparatus and not separable from religion in most cases (and is the case in china).

>>18994447
>There is no Norse philosophy to my knowledge either.
>why is something that isn't supposed to be philosophy, not philosophy?
it's old poems/stories being preserved. even so, there's plenty of philosophical, religious, and social ideas and musings in norse lit.

>>18997467
Loki mentions at a party that a girl has fucked all the men in attendance because he thought it would embarras the girl and then the girl's father says something like "so what"?

That is a social and philosophical stance in itself.

Ancestor ghosts, the Jade-emperor all the immortals are very important to philosophy what are you talking about?
How can any ruler wield the mandate of heaven if the mandate is not bestowed from the heaven?
Op seems to be retarded.

>>18996942
Is there any proof that she copulated with his brothers?
In any case, if it is as you say, the lesson is that women are completely dishonest and untrustworthy. I don't know how you failed to see that.

>>18997578
Loki accuses almost every woman there of infidelity.

>>18994037
>Taoism is godless
Retard alert.

>>18994037


THEIR FOLKIC CULTS ARE PAGANISTIC; PAGANISM IS DEMONISM —ID EST: WORSHIP OF DEMONS—; RELATIONS BETWEEN DEMONS, AND HUMANS, ARE IRRATIONALISTIC; PHILOSOPHY IS RATIONALISTIC; AS SUCH THEY HAVE ALWAYS TREATED QUESTIONS OF CULT, AND QUESTIONS OF PHILOSOPHY, SEPARATELY.

>>18998341
Yes, it says so in the story. Odin didn't seem to mind much.

>>18998344
He was never wrong tho.

>>18998476
It seems that the moment I go further back into the past than the 1970s, I immediately encounter what would now be called misogyny. Even anarchists like Ellul are extremely misogynist by contemporary standards. What's the deal?
>Yes, it says so in the story. Odin didn't seem to mind much.
Perhaps Odin did not mind because that is what would have happened had he actually died, and also because no children issued from their copulation. This is the question. What of children and paternity?
>He was never wrong tho.
Again, what of paternity and children? I find it difficult to believe that the Norse were indifferent to the question of paternity.
Also, there is a separate text in the Eddas that is intended specifically to instruct men on how to live. Have you read that one?

>ruining a Dao thread with Marvelshit
do americans really?

>>18997578
>Loki mentions at a party that a girl has fucked all the men in attendance because he thought it would embarras the girl and then the girl's father says something like "so what"?
typical Scandinavia

>>18998848
Scandinavians just going back to their roots. The hatred for adultery was a short-lived fad when Scandinavia was Christian.

>>18994037
>godless
What a retarded fucking word

>>18994037
>but they never seem to reference them in their philosophical inquiries

>what is the I-ching

>>18996293
Just go straight to the source and read about Buddhism, Taoism and Confucianism. Read an overview of the noble eight fold path as a start.