/lit/ - Literature

you know what I'm gonna say

I can offer you my diary, unironically. but books like described are often terrible reads if they're actually about depressed, incel neets in their thirties. most doomer novels at least have the guy be some kind of special but most people who end up as 'FUCKING LOSERS' are just boring people. I kid you not when I claim that even normies are more interesting than most neets.

>>18977749
Why? Why read about that when you can try to stop being a loser? I don't know how bad of a loser you are but surely there's something you can do to improve yourself.

>>18977749
The Bible.

>>18977786
>when you can try to stop being a loser?
this is why you normies will never understand

>>18977749
Notes from the Underground

>>18977794
I'm in my mid 20s and a virgin. I work a shitty job so I'm not jobless but I think it's fair to say I don't qualify as a normie. I'm trying to stop being a loser though because idk if you've noticed yet but it's fucking horrible.

>>18977783
Maybe, but I just want to relate. It's comforting knowing you're not alone.
>>18977786
We all try to improve. But without help, it's just fucking hard.
Part of what I'm looking for is someone trying their hardest to improve, only to end up in the same place they started.

>>18977749
I would say Call of the Crocodile and the rest of the books in the Call of... series have characters that fit your description. Read them, you will relate and shit your pants from how scary it is.

>>18977749
>Books about FUCKING LOSERS.

>>18977836
well, you'll come to your senses someday then. It isn't horrible, you just feel that way. Keep reading and give it a few years.

>>18977873
mmmmmmmmmmmm

>>18977863
siddhartha

>>18977863
You're not alone. Most people think they're losers. I think I'm a loser. I think about radically changing my life every time something goes wrong because I'm so afraid of wasting my 20s. I also think about death all the time. I'm a virgin and yet I've had chances to change that many times. I don't have any job prospects because economically my degree is a joke. I'm always sad, about everything. I saw a man today order food at the place I work. He had some kind of nerve damage, maybe even parkinsons, and I couldn't help but feel just sad and defeated looking at him. I wanted to look away, I wanted to help this man. The food came and I was about to scold the kitchen guy for the small portion size. The old man only ordered a small meal and one drink, he paid maybe six bucks. Six dollars! Imagine that. I wanted him to feat in that moment; and tomorrow I'll have forgotten him. I never learned his name anyhow.
I am scared to become like him. I'm scared to touch that thirty. I'm deathly afraid of failure of any kind. That's why I'm a virgin and that's why I want to quit every time things get difficult. I never do and matters always resolve smoothly and often times yield great, yes, actually great results! but I still fret it. I still want to quit. I don't see any value in anything. I've lost all hope yet I persist. I don't fear dying but I fear death. I don't fear pain but a painful death is cruel to anyone learning of it, who don't come to consider that it is the longest time, before death, and the last way to add to life after living. I become sad when I think of this. I am sad writing this. But it's all shallow and tomorrow I'll have forgotten it, like I'll have forgotten the old man and the amount of money he spent, and the money I earned when working today. I'll have to recount it tomorrow, I'll think about death again, and about the terrible failure I could become. I fear that. I am sad that I have to. I envy people who don't have to but I wouldn't want to change with them, take their success, my failures and any failure are important to me. I revel in this disgusting and senseless dread. I'm a fucking loser.

>>18977919
What do you mean? What is it that I need to realize?

>>18977950
I understand that, anon. I hope you overcome your cowardice soon and start living. I don't know if you will do it but you can.

>>18977950
feast*
there's a lot more wrong with this after rereading it. I'd change stuff but this isn't /lit/erature.

>>18977952
you need to realize that you just FEEL that way. Go read Epictetus's Discourses, it will help you I promise. If you can actually manage to put some of it into practice not only will your life 'improve' from a materialist external perspective, but more importantly, you will learn the only thing that matters is your soul.

>>18977749
A Fan's Notes

>>18977749
>virign
Holden Caulfield isn’t a virgin. His father took that from him. A lot.

>>18977975
I appreciate your advice and will probably read Epictetus at some point but it sounds like what you're saying is that it's not my situation that is the problem but rather my attitude toward it, and that it's my soul that truly matters. If this helps you, I'm glad, but I don't believe in souls or some kind of higher power/world/essence. What exists is this world and I want to get what I want in this world. I don't want to learn how to be happy as a loser. I want to not be a loser. I will still read it eventually though. Thank you for the recommendation, anon.

>>18977966
No, I'm not a coward. The point is, I feel, everyone could become a coward when not making decisions, not risking failure. And no matter what they do in the end people still feel it was wrong and that they chose wrong, in the moment and directly after. that they hesitated too long or that it never should've come to make this choice.
people say that failures help you grow as a person, you'll never fail again in that specific way, but the truth is that the only thing you learn is how to deal with failures, more so how to accept them and how to be weak. to not think: how could I have done better, but to just forget about it. you'll never have to make that specific choice again. not dropping a glass is hardly such a choice and so is putting in a nail the correct way, not adding too much salt etc. choices yielding such failures are choices which directly play on your character and which involve your agency not considering nature but your conscious agency to do this or that, not to put in the nail but to decide whether to put in a nail or not or whatever else.

>>18978000
I said that because you described yourself as afraid and I feel comfortable calling out other people's faults that I share. I'm currently trying to stop being so scared of failure, rejection, and the thoughts of others.

>>18977950
Same desu.

>>18977919
>It isn't horrible, you just feel that way
What's the difference?

>>18977975
>Epictetus's Discourses

thanks for this. Looks interesting and I'll take a look. I'm in a similar position as to OP.

The Brief Wondrous Life of Oscar Wao

My friend have you met my friend Murakami

>>18977975
>>18977999
>>18978095
>Epictetus's Discourses
On the Shortness of Life by Seneca is a better stoic primer for depressed youths

>>18977999
your being too semantic about the definition of soul and not understanding my meaning. Just do yourself a favor and read the book.

>>18978225
best translation?

>>18978234
this is what I read

>>18977749
Book of Disquiet

>>18977783
>but books like described are often terrible reads if they're actually about depressed, incel neets in their thirties
Name one book that's about an actual, 4chan tier loser. They don't exist.

>no one mentioned Notes from Underground
protag is a jobless loner in his forties.

>>18978312

>>>18977823

>>18977749
Houellebecq

>>18978294
Raskolnikov is a pretty accurate portrait of many of the "4chan losers" here. I speak from experience.

Fight club

>>18977749
My diary desu

>>18977749
The synth pill

A schizo working a job he hates, all alone, with podcasts for friends.

>>18977749
Notes from the Underground
Oblomov

>>18977749
No longer human

>>18979005
he was not a loser in the usual 4chan understanding of the word

>>18977749
Welcome to the NHK

>>18977919
>just give it a few years bro
do you know how horrible that is to hear as somebody in his mid 20s?
I am already overwhelmed by an inescapable feeling of wasted youth. Yet you tell me to just wallow in misery for a few more years because 'it will just work out eventually'.

It won't. I've been hearing that for the last 10 years. I just got my masters degree. I play a lot of sports and am in fantastic shape. I force myself to go out with some friends I've made in Uni, even though I don't enjoy it. I've even been on a few dates.
But it didn't get better. In fact I feel just as horrible and shit as I used to, even though my life is objectively better and I qualify for normie status.
The only women I have access to are vapid consumers whom I detest after 5 measly sentences. The others are taken and in long-term relationships. I don't want hookups.
My academic accomplishments have not filled me with the sense that I'm going in the right direction, nor have my sports accomplishments. Sure they provide some relief and generally did make me a feel a bit better. Overall though, I am still the same.

So go ahead, tell me to give it a few more years.

>>18977749
Read Marx

>>18977950
at least you are still a decent person deep down.
Where I was once a genuinely kind kid who's dream it was to help people I am now apathic and cold.
And it hurts my fucking soul knowing I've changed so much for the worse, yet I cannot change it. Any attempt at changing it makes me feel like a fraud.

>>18979995
just go and get laid. you don't have to be in love with her. it will boost your confidence. i only lost my virginity at the age of 21 despite having plenty of chances before that, but I was le romantic type of guy always looking for ""the one"". trust me this kind of approach does you no good in the long run. but you have probably realized by now.

>>18980041
I have realized that, a while ago.
But I still feel like I will gain absolutely nothing from sleeping with some tinder whore.

In fact I tried it. She came over and I was genuinely disgusted with myself for being horny and attracted to this absolutely retarded bimbo. I made some excuse and told her to gtfo after kissing for a bit. It just didn't do anything for me.

No Longer Human by Osamu Dazai

>read book about a 'loser'
>they're actual normalfags that don't have it that bad as in they're just failed normalfag losers

I want a book about a total fucking loser of the maladjusted variety that has absolute nothing going for them until their inevitable suicide.

>>18979995
Are you stupid or misunderstanding me on purpose? I'm not saying it is going to get better. I'm saying the way it is right now is not bad. You only think it's bad, you are naive and wrong. I say give it a few years because you seem very dense, maybe you will never find the path, most don't. Keep being a slave it doesn't matter to me.

The True Story of Ah Q - Lu Xun

>>18977988
The most patrician recommendation ITT

>>18980714
It also fills the bill of what OP wants completely (aside from being great)

>>18977749
Hitler's diary, desu

Local Virgin Ruins Everything

Unironically Candide by Voltaire.

>>18977836
I was like you. In my 20s and started working in fast food, still felt like I was essentially a NEET because I worked like 3-6 hours a week. Through some twist of fate I got promoted which was honestly even shittier but it forced me to take more responsibility and interact with people more, so it helped in the long run.
Eventually I figured out what my passion was, and I went back to school with a new mindset and am kicking ass. Started going to the gym, lost my virginity, in a happy relationship now etc.
We're all gonna make it bros

>>18981012
>We're all gonna make it bros
You made it. And given your post, I think you'd make it regardless. You were a bred loser, not a born one.
>>18980558
It's funny seeing the differences between the main character and me.
>he was born rich and I was born poor
>he dropped out of school and I graduated
>he failed at his career, I'm doing ok
>he had at least some passion, I don't
>he innately attracted women, I repulse them
>he was a slave to vices of the flesh, I'm a slave to technology
But we both felt like we always have to pretend.

>>18981012
What did you go / are you going to school for? What's your passion?

>>18977783
>I kid you not when I claim that even normies are more interesting than most neets.
This is very true, the normies have their issues but are at the very least can have interesting conversation from time to time or can provide basic insight into things. NEETs really arent all that noteworthy for anything, and someone that does the same routine everyday and cant support themselves cannot be interesting

Siddharta
Notes from the Undergrounds
A Confederancy of Dunces
I want to put Under the Volcano in the list as well

>>18977749
Confederacy of Dunces

>>18977749
Dubliners

As opposed?

Just get laid you fuckig faggot. A mommy like me writes and fucks. If you need advice you're a lost cause you stupid cuck. Un un un, big beefy Waldun coming through.

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The Sound and the Fury

>>18977749
Welcome to the NHK

>>18980472
If you don't even like sex why are you so depressed about having missed out on it?

>>18981849
Scatology

I’m one of the biggest losers I know. I should really write a book about it. I’ve tried literally everything and am shit at all of it. I’m jobless, didn’t go to high school, was bad at sports (soccer, football, basketball, table tennis), even failed at GED. I’ve never had a gf despite being over 6’ tall and having decent looks. At least the manlets have an excuse. Despite all of this I haven’t been depressed in over a decade and am fairly content with just doing nothing. I don’t get it but my normie friends seem to be in a much worse state despite having it all, stupid retards

>>18977749
Look no further

>>18982539
This guy was a fucking loser

>>18977749
The Temple of the Golden Pavilion by Mishima. It's about a young guy who is the son of a Buddhist priest and slated to become a priest in his turn. He is also physically ugly and has a stammer. While he isn't jobless, he is a virgin, is often sad, and engages in repetitive self-destructive behaviour because of his hang-ups about beauty.
Mishima's best imo.

There really aren't that many, besides like No Longer Human by Dazai. Characters that stay that way aren't very interesting and don't make for a very good story. It would probably be bad for you too, if you feel like shit reading something like that will only make you feel worse. Don't have many recommendations for sad boy shit because I was never interested in shit like that. To make a story interesting the character has to have at least a bit of ambition, they should always strive for something, even if it's something as simple as a glass of water.

A life of mundaneness need not be a bad one, so long as you find just one thing you care for.

>>18981012
I'm glad to hear that, anon. I hope your life remains happy.

anything by kafka. anything

>>18983922
Dismisses the entire United States of America as "a mulatto stud farm"

He was fucking BASED.

Anything written by Karl Marx or Lenin

>>18978234
I can recommend Oxford's Epictetus Discourses, Fragments, Handbook

>>18977749
notes from the undergound, also known as my diary desu

Jude is a simp who blames his failures on class.

>>18977786
That's just not possible.

>>18980041
>just go and get laid. you don't have to be in love with her. it will boost your confidence.
All I've got from that was disgust, regret over wasted time, and sorrow over the upcoming consequences of my actions of having someone else attached to me socially.

>>18977749
nashe is good or lusers
>ib4standthatandurtheman

>>18985678
His li'l novels are great; Nicholls's bio A Cup of News is an impossible get, though still seeking..
Submission: The Flower Beneath the Foot, though all Firbank's brief novels concern losers of ridiculous quality

>>18982180
I care because I missed out on love.
Because I was a coward I missed two girls who showed interest in me and who I was madly in love with.
Now I feel like I'll never fall in love again, at least not with somebody who genuinely likes me back as well. + I'm still hung up over the two girls. I genuinely belief I should have been with the first one for the rest of my life

>>18985938
And it's ALL your parents fault.
Nothing to be sad about.
You know what you have to do to make it right.

>>18985938
>and who I was madly in love with
infatuation != love
simp

>>18985984
There is no difference though.

>>18986038
incorrect

>>18986063
Not an argument.

>>18986083
Quit strawmanning my argument

>>18986111
That's retarded.

>>18986134
based destiny poster.