/lit/ - Literature

I dunno. I like Gardner cause I like weird shit. I will read Waldun and Ma next. You’re right it is odd there aren’t more writers here.

>>18978425
Or authors I mean.

>>18978232
>So many authors here
No one on /lit/ writes, Gardner was the exception due to him being an animefag, something that makes the pseuds on /lit/ seethe, which is why so many of them slander him.

>>18978453
Is he really an animefag? What are his favorite anime? His favorite anime girls?

>>18978489
I mean you can kinda tell he’s one by some of his work. Just read the preview or description of Jigoku and you can see what I can. Does anyone here actually knows his favorite anime’s? That would be really interesting to hear.

>>18978510
*See what I mean

I'm a writer but I'm not ready to do the branding and ad buying bullshit. Shit's not even done yet

>>18978489
Anime is an abomination. Masturbating to anime girls is a maladaptive behavior like equally harmful pornography. Anime fans are losers, generally ugly, and low intelligence who have accepted that they will go on coping their entire lives. I'd rather not live than ever be in such a miserable state.

>>18978539
>Pseuds still seething.
You hate to see it.

>>18978489
I've talked to him and he seems to like Ikuhara's stuff a lot; pretty sure his steam profile pic is from Penguindrum. Very, very entry level taste in general.

>>18978510
I've seen anons say they know him on discord so someone could hypothetically relay the question. But they could just be Larping and just saying they know him.

>>18978642
Pretty sure those are larpers

I'm working on a floridawave novella which I am going to force myself to self-publish at the end of the month, whether or not I feel like it could be improved.

>A rogue scientist has gone missing in the Florida panhandle. A paramilitary contractor has been hired to push into the towering tangle of thorn and kudzu which looms over the landscape. But what starts off as a simple job rapidly becomes a life-or-death struggle when he encounters hostile locals, vicious wildlife, and mind-bending natural phenomenon. As he draws nearer to his target, it soon becomes apparent that something much more powerful than anything found in nature is waiting at the end of his journey. Will he survive the insanity that lurks just a few miles off the highway? Or will Florida rise up to consume us all?

Does that sound like something you'd want to read? Could I find a way better way to phrase the "something/anything" sentence?

>>18978232
I care too much about doing good work to whore myself out like that before presenting a well-crafted product, which none of these aptly titled "meme" authors have proffered . And I shun social media as a means of self-promotion. If the writing does not speak for itself, it is nothing.Unlike your precious Australian asian houseboy which you so venerate.

>>18978676
Wow what a Debbie Downer. I'm pretty sure the social media thing only applies to Waldun there. F Gardner achieved readers through 4chan alone. Waldun has his fanbase too. Instead of being so critical you should be more supportive to your fellow anons. If you put your "well crafted product out there" I'm pretty sure there will be shitposters who will shit on your book just the same.

Don't waste your opportunity OP.
https://fallinglanguage.com/

>>18978769
What’s this?

>>18978232
Plain literature is a pretty boring medium compared to everything else out there these days.
Movies, TV shows, anime, manga, comics, even theatre, opera & musicals.

>>18978827
That's why you gotta read something new and fresh.

>>18978669
Sounds a lot like Stalker.

>>18978232
Would you want to be associated with /lit/ if you were an author? If you are just a meme then sure, who cares, but if you actually want to have a career it's enough for NPCs to hear that you frequent a 4chan board and you are done.

I sure as hell won't talk about my books here once I win the Nobel. Sorry guys.

Kinda echoing what this >>18978927 anon says, I think most people who are serious about writing want to get their stuff published in meatspace. I wouldn't want my IRL name attached to any sort of 4chan notoriety, especially since I plan on applying for an MFA program eventually and the quickest way to get rejected by modern lib arts academia is to be associated with this place. I'm not saying that this route is "better" than fame or fortune to be found in "online" circles. People like Mike Ma, Tao Lin, BAP, Lauren BoyleLogo, DT- they're all people who've "made it", but they're all trapped into writing about whatever trendy online shit is in the zeitgiest at time of publication. I bet you even though the topics are pretty wide ranging, "online" lit will one day be looked at as a genre in and of itself. I think the problem is that the "online" association marks your work whether you wish to acknowledge it or not.
Then again, it's probably the future of literature, and getting an MFA or moving to NYC is probably just as enslaving to your will as an artist. I don't know shit. I'm 23. I just started writing seriously recently. I don't even know if I want to be an author. I just want to make something beautiful and transcendent and true. I don't want to be a fucking pathetic joke like F. Gardener. That's my answer.

>>18979014
F Gardener has fans who read his books. The "pathetic jokes" are insecure people like you. Like him or not, he's the most accomplished author who has come out of this community.

>inb4 "Gardener"

>>18979030
damn btfo. Yea there's so many bitter losers here. Anyone who's ever read gardner's books (in completion) admits they're good. People dump on him for the same reason they dump on R.C. Waldun or that guy writing the Shit Kickers book. They're writers who have done something with their lives and they can't cope with that.

>>18979030
I think you're lying. I have NEVER seen a thread consisting of critical discussion of your work, Gardener (or one of Gardeners stooges, but for simplicity's sake I'll address you as if you are F. Gardener). All the memes that you and your discord friends post are tiring, dull, and shallow. "The book is so weird!" "The twist.... I didn't see it coming!", lazily posting CotC ad nauseum- do you realize how transparent it is, or do you really no respect the intelligecne of the average /lit/ poster, your coveted "audience". No matter how hard you try or how many COD youtubers you pay for reviews, you will never have the grassroots support of a community that loves you, or even one that hates you, really. Say what you will about Card, at least he's actually HATED by people here (for good reason). You're annoying. And boring.

>>18979049
>but for simplicity's sake I'll address you as if you are F. Gardener

What you mean is "I have no argument so I'm going to pretend you're Gardener (a strawman argument) and project my insecurities on him."

This is just sad mate. People repeat the same talking points with all series because they're usually true. People talk about twist endings with M. Night Shaymalan movies just as they do F Gardener books. Because it's the same plot device. Just as you are repeating the same talking points ad nauseum. After seeing the reaction from /wg/ a couple of nights ago (look it up if you're curious) it's obvious you're wrong and alot of people here do love him. Some shitposter (who I very well might've been you) was shitposting against him and /wg/ defended Gardener. This community does accept him. They will not however accept some bitter jealous loser like you.

>>18979045
>>18979030
You know what, I'm drunk right now- so I decided to rip Call of the Crocodile off of zlib. Holy shit. Right out the gate the prose is on par with Waldun, probably worse when considering that you're not an ESL. Maybe you're not him, your posting syntax is at least at a tenth grade level. So there are two possibilities
1) You're shilling the book because you have something to gain from shilling it as I implied earlier
2) You're making fun of this guy by ironically praising his work, similarly to Waldun. I think that's cruel, because he's one of us and should receive honest and sincere criticism so he can improve. By relentlessly posting his shit work, giving him attention he craves for piss poor writing, you're retarding him and killing him as a writer.
Repent, Gardener poster

>>18979075
Beautiful.

>>18979080

or

3) I'm not an asshole and I genuinely enjoyed another /lit/izen's book. I don't know why you have such a hate boner for Gardener. I read it and thought it was a cool story. Straightforward as that. I didn't go into it trying to rip it apart like some hungover English class teacher.

>>18979014
This is the answer, op. Everybody you named is a retarded meme and will never move beyond that because this place will follow them forever.
There are actual published authors here who discuss the journals they've submitted short work to fairly often and sometimes the actual publishing process of entire books without namedropping themselves. You're just a tourist.

>>18979096
You don't need to rip something apart to notice when an author can barely string sentences together.
Waldun and Gardner spew out half-assed nonsense. You couldn't find an entire page written by either one that's got fewer than three grammatical errors with a gun to your head.

>>18979096
Then I'm sorry- you have shit taste. This story is unreadable. I'm not even a strict formalist, or a "hung over English class teacher" lmao. If all it takes for you to enjoy a book is knowing that it was written by another user from here then you don't have taste. Having discerning taste doesn't make you an asshole, by the way. I'm done engaging with you, you're either retarded, disgusting, or Gardener. Likely all three.

>>18979118
Waldun uses internal dialogue a lot but that's more of a style thing. Gardener uses commas too much. But that doesn't change the quality of his plots.
Your complaints are moot points because you're looking to bitch about things. Both are great writers. The Learned Disguise and Call of the Crocodile are eternal at this point. Memes or not this board is never going to forget them.

>>18979096
What was cool about the story? What do you enjoy about his work? I want you to be as specific as possible here. Don't just tell me the story is weird or has a cool twist.

>>18979127

>Then I'm sorry- you have shit taste.

Taste is subjective. And if I didn't genuinely like the story we wouldn't behaving this debate.

>I'm done engaging with you, you're either retarded, disgusting, or Gardener. Likely all three.

Great argument.

>>18979134
>Don't just tell me the story is weird or has a cool twist.

That is a huge part of the draw. You might as well say "Don't mention any of the cool things about it." It conveniently removes many of the talking points in it's favor.
Autism aside I can still address your question. It's simply a genuinely interesting horror story (Croc.) The tension is built up very well and the twist (Yes the part you don't want me to talk about) was done in a clever way. What I mean by that is that Gardener held the cards close to his chest. The mistake a lot of writers commit is revealing too much too soon. There is a build up to a major plot point in which it's revealed. It was very carefully done.

>>18979129
Their "styles" are "10th grade remedial English" because they're both retards. Please find me one page written by either of them that isn't stylistically, narratively, and thematically dogshit. I am begging you to post just one.

>>18979158
Elaborate on the twist, spoil it for me if you have to. When I said don't just say it has a cool twist, I meant just that. What is it that gives this story merit?

>>18979158
Anyway can see this much if they read it. I have a suspicion that Gardener is probably the type of author who comes up with his twists first and builds his stories around that. He's clearly a new author but I would be a liar if I said he wasn't a talented story teller. I saw a post about it before (I think in /wg/) where someone said he's akin to some old guy telling ghoststories around a camp fire. So the point is he might not be the most "Well edited" author in a technical sense. But what he lacks there he more than makes up with genuinely good storytelling.

>>18979165
I meant just that, don't just vaguely allude to something without actually explaining yourself*

>>18979165
>spoil it for me if you have to
So you can go shitpost it and try to spoil it for his fans? Yeah right. If you can't bother to read a short book I probably shouldn't bother elaborating on why this is idiotic.

>Please find me one page written by either of them that isn't stylistically

I will tell you that Gardener and Waldun have both improved with their later books. If you genuinely want an example then go read the free previews of L'Académie (Waldun) or Jigoku (Gardener.) If you have such massive intelligence then reading a short preview wouldn't be that difficult. Of course you're surely going to say your time is too precious to do so.

>>18978669
I like this idea anon. I know another anon said stalker, but the concept reminds me more of heart of darkness or deliverance. Please post a sample, if you wouldn't mind.

>>18978669
Not bad, but don't publishing half-baked anon.

>>18979186
Okay, so the plot really does have nothing of merit. There aren't any interesting: characters, descriptions, themes, aesthetics, instances of humor. What you're telling me, by refusing to mention one (1) specific aspect of the story that you enjoyed, is that you're just bullshitting me. I'd love to be proven wrong.

>I will tell you that Gardener and Waldun have both improved with their later books.
This is maybe the most damning indictment of Gardener you've posted.

>>18979233
Damning? I’m saying they’ve improved. I mean that more so in the technical sense. Gardener suddenly doesn’t have extra commas. And Waldun doesn’t do the internal exposition as much.
I think I’ve more than elaborated already on why I thought CotC was a good read. As for Waldun? His writing style is very quirky and is part of his charm. He writes very much like how he talks on his YouTube videos. If you like his style then you’d get it. If not then he’s not for you. With Gardener is just good pulp fiction. He knows how to build suspense and deliver very bizarre twists. Waldun writes differently and his works aren’t very comparable. Take 1984 for instance. Waldun’s new book is similar. If you had read it you would realize this.

>>18978232
I've written multiple books that are currently on the market, and I've been published quite widely. The reason I haven't shared my stuff yet is 'cause the works of mine you guys would like are still in the editing phase. Part of the reason I wanted to become a famous author was so that I could come back here one day and help other anons make it. Soon.

It’s an enigma.

Mental health, in my case. I don't want to use a trip, but I tend to limit my presence here if I want to contribute to something and I'm not a great pseud. I'm trying to read philosophy books in between romance books.

>>18978769
>https://fallinglanguage.com/
Is this your work or something you like, anon?

>>18978548
>mori calliope
anime =/= w**yn pretending to like video games. reject the false dichotomy

>>18978515
We are all writers, truth be told

I'm a published author but a rather controversial one, so I like the anonymity of /lit/

>>18978232
Theres the behead all satan's, saga of the cosmic heros, hero among monsters, Aaron ward, card, and shit kickers

>>18978232
When I finish my novel I'm going to try to get it published the real way and if it ever comes up I've never even heard of 4chan.

I don't want to shill my books here because I assume people find the practice annoying, but if they don't, I'll start shilling my books here.

>>18979187
Pastebin is mad cucked right now so this is the only thing it would let me post
https://pastebin.com/AdrfdDLr

>>18978669
This probably has a lot of potential so don't publish it until you think it's worth reading.

>>18981391
I'm not hoping to write the next big thing, just to put out something entertaining about once a year. At this point I'm satisfied that the prose is coherent and works to serve the overall theme of the story, and that the plot, although complicated, is laid out in a logical fashion. There are just a few contrivances in the plot which need to be replaced with solid motivation before I can feel like I've written something which demonstrates fundamental respect for my audience.

I think Waldun and gardener are making more people want to write

>>18978232
I published pic related with a small indie publisher back in 2019. It got shortlisted for an award in 2020 but didn't win.
Getting publicity for your book is like pushing shit uphill, in the rain, with a fork.

QRD on the best F Gardner and Waldun book? I’ll read their best ones. Not interested in shitposts who don’t like their books. I’m willing to give them a fair read.

I have a book in paid serialization right now on one of the major young adult publishing apps but I'm not actively shilling it here because I'm not a fucking idiot.

Maybe ask yes or no questions and we'll do some 20 questions shit if anyone is really that interested.

>>18982367
>Shitting on other authors from here

Good start. Also it could just as well be argued that you’re hypocritically “shilling” your work right now. Just like the writers you’re referring to.

>>18982394
Not really shitting on other authors here, just assessing the situation in that it's different from just throwing my stuff up on Amazon.

I actually really like Gardner's stuff in an ironic way that's starting to become invested enough for non-irony.

>>18978232
Someone send him link to pic related

>>18982490
Yea I like it in an ironic way too. My bad for jumping to conclusions. I thought you were that guy who shits on Waldun and the other authors here for a sec. what type of book you writing?

F Gardner’s books are more red pulled than I was expecting. They act they into a lot of /x/ conspiracies. R.C Waldun is also a talented young writer. How’s Passing Tales? Is that just as good as the other Waldun novels?

>>18982515
Red pilled**

Also Moby Dick by /lit/ and Spare Change were good.

>>18982394
>Nooo you have to be nice to everybody on 4chan
None of the authors who have ever shilled their own work on /lit/ have been anything but retards.

>itt: gardener trying to ride off waldun's coattails
if any anons are for some reason interested in wasting their time reading gardener's dogshit, at least don't also waste your money - it's available for free here:
https://au1lib.org/book/11994656/1ff726

>>18982524
>>18982534

>>18982534
nah f gardener is a waldunchad

>>18982534
hi Robin

>>18982990
based

Because they’re still working on their manuscripts

>>18982032
Nice work man! :)

Honestly? When I publish my masterpiece I will dedicate it to this community.

I will never be ashamed to be associated with this place. It has helped ignite my love of literature and has always helped me out as a simple non educated Man.

Thank you all.

>>18983421
>F Gardener logic

Good man. That's the kind of attitude we need here.

>>18983421
Exactly, watching Gardner and Waldun finish and release books helped me get ready to publish mine next week!

>>18983479
Will you pay for 4chan ads too?

>>18982032
write a book, but pretend you're not the author, then claim you read the book and it made you do something flagrantly illegal. No such thing as bad publicity.

>>18983500
Yes as soon as I'm ready to ship copies on the 11th, proud to support 4Chan.

>>18983577
Awesome

>>18983577
Goodluck anon. What’s it called?

>>18982490
How do I self publish my book without it becoming a /lit/ meme like Call of the Crocodile?

>>18982497
Tell me more anon. Is that your book?

>>18983479
Same here. I read Call of the Crocodile and was blown away that it came from a poster from here.

>>18984264
Can you name a book which you think is really bad? Just so everyone here can get a frame of reference for your taste?

>Call of the Crocodile
Absolute shite
>Jigoku
Decent read.
He has worked his ass off and is now a very competent writer.

>>18983856
Just don't spam it here. The thing is is spamming it here is easy and if you don't no one on Amazon or wherever will actually read it unless you get an actual publishing deal.

>work hard to actually get it picked up somewhere, this may never work out but you can always try as long as you want
>be content with obscurity
>make yourself a meme
those are your options

>>18979354
Kiara is the only good one.

>>18984289
Jigoku was incredible. Anime horror. Great concept and I don’t think I’ve seen it done before

>>18984280
Almost all contemporary crap. That’s what makes Call of the Crocodile so good. It’s under the radar and original. There’s not really anything else to compare it to. If you want to read a good modern book you need to dig through the bullcrap. Virtually everything from traditional publishing houses are pozzed to the point of being unreadable.

>>18979354
This anon understands. The appeal of anime/manga/LNs/VNs is that it provides a glimpse into an ideal 2D world free of the sins of ours. VTumors sully that world with the vices of 3D women. They dress in the pelts of angels and cruentate these skinsuits with our world's crimes.

>>18984520
Okay. So just pick a book that sucks. Any book. Compare it to Call of the Crocodile, and explain why you think CotC is better.

>>18984545
You get it bro

>>18984289
>>18984505
Do his newer books, still do that shit, where every few words, there needs to be a comma, for the characters to contemplate their thoughts, and possible next actions?

>>18984673
He must've gotten an editor or something. I've noticed that the comma issue isn't there anymore.

>>18984592
Not him but Cotc is so off the rails that it's hard to stop reading. Speaking from my own experience.

redpill me on 'em, /lit/

>>18984777
>John
Hack writer who literally no one knows here
>Mike
Shills his own book in an attempt to be look /lit/. His philosophy is trite and babyish
>R.C. Waldun
Literally pseud, all style and no substance, will be forgotten in an year.
>F. Gardner
Only /lit/ anon who made it and wrote his books. Love the way pseuds just keep seething at his success. Is a proud animefag which makes him even more respectable.

>>18984777
>>18984786
JDC will bury the other three.

Test

I'm a published writer and poet. I've had several short stories published and several poems published, not self-published but in actual publications. I've even been published in a pretty prestigious publication.

I am actually trying to get a big story of mine out into the world. It will be a long story told in multiple books. The first book is done and I'm not sure what to do with it. I've written query letters to almost 30 literary agents, none have asked for any pages.

I'm considering self-publishing. Specifically, I'm considering serializing it and publishing it chunks at a time on my Substack page. I have a decent social media presence and I may advertise it on that.

Everyone who has read the story thinks it's really good. So I am not deterred by the lack of agent interest. I want to get it out into the world where the maximum number of people see it. I have also considered publishing it on Wattpad.

Truth told, I dream of telling a very great story. I dream of telling a story that the world has never seen before.

>>18984786
I have regained respect for Gardener after reading Jigoku. That's up there with the cream of the crop of /lit/ written material. As a long time poster from /wg/ it ranks at the top end of things I see from here. I've only read that and Crocodile so I can't comment any further. Seriously he has improved. I suppose this is because he's had practice with writing so many other books.
I don't really know much about the other writers here. I know who Waldan is but I've only ever seen 1 or 2 of his videos. Are his books actually good? What makes him a pseud? It doesn't appear you like them but if other post their work I'll consider reading.

>>18984777
>>18984786
>>18984792
Ma = /pol/ + /fa/
Card = /his/ + /x/
Waldun = /int/ + /po/
Gardner = /rd9/ + /v/

>>18985174
Pretty sure Gardener is the /x/ author since his books are just novel length creepypastas.

>>18985180
yeah but gardner calls his nonsense fiction.
did you see the pamphlets JDC would put on tumblr before they nuked it

>>18985190
>yeah but gardner calls his nonsense fiction.

Well yea have you actually read any of it? Of course it's fiction. It's nuts. Not meant as an insult btw. I thought his work was fine.

>did you see the pamphlets JDC would put on tumblr before they nuked it

No? QRD?

>>18985196
>QRD
jdc would write like 20,000+ words on some x / his / pol type topic every week. usually really esoteric and apparently while high on stims or something.

there's an archive out there but i can't find it anymore

>>18985196
Have YOU read any of it? Anyone can plainly see Gardner is mentally ill.

>>18983998
Yes