/lit/ - Literature

>>18979495
>Russia
>western
What did he mean by this?

>>18979495
Silver RavenWolf's TeenWitch. Like, so fash, like, so trad, like, totally btfos those christcucks, like, omg.

How comes there's no pagan theologians since Rome? It's almost like they don't believe in the stuff in the first place.

>>18979559
Maybe read a modern book on pagan theology, retard

>>18979561
That book looks like a larp.

>>18979567
read this one then, it's less politically charged than the other book

>>18979495
The difference between discussed and actual popularity of pagan groups is significant, but it is still smaller than the difference between discussed and actual popularity of Russian Orthodox Church.

Also, I sure hope you guys don't fall for all the shit that was invented across the world during 19th century nation-building.

>>18979495
>2016
nice stale psyop, OP

>>18979495
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SgXlUxDGFvU

Cтoй, вeчнocть - пpaвдa cлeпaя!
C яви вo cквepнe
Я yбeгaю

Stop eternity, truth is blind!
From a reality in baseness
I'm running

>>18979561
> modern book
> pagan
> theology

>>18979559
Because the only sort of “theology” there was to be found in European paganism was retained in the Christian church (see: two Romes, Plato onward). As for pagan beliefs and practices themselves, they were ended by Christianization. People who think you can just study the distant past and rationalize the gods into their little rituals simply don’t know what they’re talking about and have a poor grasp on European paganism even was.

>>18980094
So what was it?

>>18980116
What was what?

>>18980117
Real paganism

>>18979559
The occult has hundreds.

>>18980077
> you
> knowing anything
In light of the tyranny of Christianity over Europe, pagan theology was driven underground and became demonology, satanism, and other movements regarded as heretical. Pagan theology is very much alive today and has been for centuries.

>>18979495
idk but pagan does not necessarily mean polytheism. everyone seems to be talking about pagans trying to re-create dead religions but they might be trying to create something new instead. pagan just means dissident in a religious sense.

>>18980778
A ritualistic tradition probably practiced by your ancestors which is a far cry from the scientific restorationist “beliefs” of modern “pagans”.

>>18980824
You’re so fucking clueless I don’t even know where to start with you.

>>18979561
>pagan theology

>>18979559
There's been plenty, like Motoori Norinaga, Ramanujan, etc. What you actually mean is "Western polytheist theologians". In that case, Dumezil, John Michael Greer, the various new Platonisms (I hesitate to use "Neo-Neo-Platonists" or "New Platonists"), the various Russian thinkers, and so on are some easy examples. Hell, I'd go so far as to say that Linguistics itself is deeply rooted in Western polytheistic thought, especially with the defeat of Chompskyite linguo-Abrahamism.

Also, I have a feeling that eventually Mormonism will end up siding with polytheists over Zionist Cathodoxy because lets face it Mormonism just flat out is polytheistic.

>>18981071
>you don't subscribe to my narrative? clueless!

>>18979559
Late Heidegger.

>>18979495
The struggle between pagan tradition and the Orthodox church is a tale as old as Rus. Both are vital to the soul of Russia.

>>18981537
Where?

>>18981111
Nobody subscribes to your narrative. Not even these so-called pagans subscribed to your narrative.

>>18981537
It’s not correct to refer to him as pagan. Yes, there’s a flavor of folkish polytheism in Heidegger but even referring to it as such is misleading. He’s less of a polytheist than Plato.

>>18981840
There are esoteric references to the gods going as far back as Introduction to Metaphysics. Mainly Checkout Poetry, Language, Thought.
>>18981868
>He’s less of a polytheist than Plato.
I find this doubtful. The way he discusses divinities being gathered into authentic things which then articulate a people's ascendant interpretation of space, time, and being itself seems to lay the metaphysical foundations for a revival of polytheism.

>>18981868
>Nobody subscribes to your narrative.
Are you serious? There are a lot of people in the occult that consider themselves polytheistic pagans. The fascination for demonology is rife with fascination for old world paganism.

Can I believe in the Greek pantheon even though I'm German?

>>18981904
>There are a lot of people in the occult that consider themselves polytheistic pagans.
New age pseudo-religious wicca whores are not polytheists and will never be, they are atheists

>>18981911
Yes, contrary to what LARPing ethnonationalists say polytheism was never about race, Romans, Celts and Norsemen all started adopting foreign deities at some point in time.

>>18981914
>New age pseudo-religious wicca whores are not polytheists and will never be, they are atheists
I care very little, as long as they're sucking my cock. I need to start going to Pagan festivals tbqh

>>18980824
>the tyranny of Christianity over Europe
hi varg

>>18981914
>New age
Occult goes back centuries, retard.

>>18981946
Based. I will probably need to get the vax, sooner or later. Sad.
>>18981952
>varg
You mean, Kristian?

>>18981891
>I find this doubtful.
Try reading his books and essays then.

>>18981904
Yes, I’m serious. A lot of people consider themselves a lot of things. That in itself doesn’t make them not ridiculous.

>>18981911
You can believe whatever you want. That’s the preposterous irony of these so called pagans. Belief means nothing and yet their whole worldview depends on it exclusively, well along with modern science exclusively.

>>18981963
I'm sorry you're so upset over the fact that paganism is still alive, really I am. However, the occult doesn't give much of a damn of what people like you think about it. Pagan theology and values have survived through the occult over the centuries as a mask, an unfortunate state of affairs because of people like you never once ever being man enough to admit that not everyone who disagrees with you is stupid and lacking in genuine belief.

>>18981967
>Belief means nothing
Believe is the difference between an empire falling or persisting, between a king showing mercy or telling his men to murder you, between a period of war and a period of peace. Source: The entirety of European history.

>>18981967
>noooooooooooooooo you have to believe in this set of rules devised by desert tribes and believe in my kike god alone
fuck off you massive christcuck faggot, my Gods are the Gods of the Hindus, the Shintoists and the Norsemen's. We don't need to cause pointless bickering between our faiths because we all believe our Gods can coexist with each other, unlike your abrahamic desert demon cult which is inherently divisive.

>>18981981
Based. Monotheist are always the first to preach peace, and the first to start a holy war.

>>18981978
I’m not even a little upset. I have sympathies for people like you. I still think you’re wrong.

>>18981980
You’re wrong, but I see you don’t have eyes to see or ears to listen so let’s leave it here.

>>18981981
I’m sure your theology told you that. I bet you got it from the Shintoists…

>>18982023
Sympathy is what your lot embraces when you're upset, since you're not man enough to get angry in the face of opposition.

>>18981980
No, he's just telling you how he feels. He doesn't "believe" anything, he just wants you to conform to an arbitrary set of rules. It's the same reason that he will happily admit that atheists are irrational for not going to church to con rubes and dumb-dumbs.

>>18982052
I'm so glad that christianity is dying, it's hard to put into words.

>>18981981
>everything was happy and rosy between each culture and religion before the darn CHRISTIANS came along and invented war!

>>18982072
From a religious point of view, yes. In Europe, at least.

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>>18982091
>no Wicca
shame, dropped

>>18981084
Yes.

>>18981537
Where does early Heidegger end and late Heidegger begin? What are the seminal works of late Heidegger?

>>18982076
You know the Roman pagans killed every last druid they could find, right?

>>18982316
For being political subversives, not because of their religion. Anyways, I don't see what your problem with that statement is, that IS what you believe. Europe was full of dumb snowniggers living in mudhuts before the Jews came along and gave Europeans architecture, art, literacy, culture, and yes, warfare and the conception of "religion". All you're getting butthurt about is that anon is implying that this is BAD, whereas you think that it's GOOD.

Anon's wrong and so are you of course, there was plenty of religious conflict in Europe pre-Christianity, but he is right in as much as European polytheism was very much open to a pluralistic theology, which we see with the Roman treatment of the Gaulish religion. The Druids had to go because they were a threat to Roman rule, but Gauls were worshiping all sorts of whacky Celtic Gods right alongside Roman ones right up until Theodosius made all religions except Judaism and Christianity illegal.

>>18982209
Tell me one reason why Wicca should be included, it's a new age religion with no cultural or spiritual roots, if Wicca is accepted might as well include scientism, the Q cult and all the other kinds of funny made up modern religions

>>18982357
I'm not that other anon. I didn't suggest anything other than religious persecution existed in pagan Rome. And it did. The Bacchanals, the druids, the Jews, the Manichaeans, and there were probably lesser cults that ran afoul of popular sentiment. I'm not saying it was good or bad. It simply was. And to deny that is to create an imaginary Rome, and an imaginary Earth where people don't fight one another over differences in belief.

>>18979495
>Russia must be consecrated to the Immaculate Heart of Mary
>Russians decide to become tree worshipping retards instead
the world is doomed. repent, pray, fast, and give to charity anons. the end is really, really fuckin near.

>>18982405
>2 more weeks and jesuss will come back and save my sorry ass!
time isn't linear, faggot, literally every other religious tradition besides abrahamic religions have a cyclical conception of time. your slimy kike messiah son of a whore won't come back anytime soon anyway, keep dreaming

>>18982412
>that's a heck of a wager, cotton, let's see how that turns out for him

>>18982405
They were atheists for 0 years and the end did not come

>>18982405
>paganism is tree worshiping
What is it with the straw men against paganism on here and /his/?

>>18982426
>implying 4chan christcucks have any religious knowledge or even historical literacy at all
they're just LARPers who converted to "own the libs", anon, contrarian drones who don't believe in anything but whatever makes them edgy to the public eye

>>18982423
*70

>>18982426
>claims to be a pagan
>doesn't know about Christians destroying idolatrous groves

what is it with retards who don't know anything on /lit/ and /his/?

>>18982452
>what is it with retards who don't know anything on /lit/ and /his/?
And that changes what? Sacred groves can be built and found everywhere on Earth, the Gods aren't cold-hearted asswipes detached from their creations in polytheist religions a la YHWH, they're always by our side, and nature itself partakes in the divinity of the Gods.

>>18982452
>be pagan
>live next to really old and awe inspiring tree
>*this tree is nice let us perform our sacrifices and festivals around this tree*
>atomized urbanite christian think that tree is their literal god and chops it down in autistic rage
>*goes back home to his piece of stone carved into a woman and proceeds to put a golden hat on it, prostrates in front of it while chanting latin incantations to it in order to try and get it to appeal to her son in his favor*
>*entire church revels for over a thousand years about how a sissy city boy actually managed to use a tree's natural enemy; the axe, to chop down a tree to the point that they can find no other explanation but that god must have interceded*
This could have all been avoided if he just had sex

>>18982469
>>18982510
Pagans literally worshiped trees: https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Golden_Bough/The_Worship_of_Trees

This shouldn't embarrass you. It wouldn't embarrass you if you truly believed as you profess to believe. But I think you're just atheists playing dress up.

>>18982521
belief in a tree deity at one point =/= paganism is tree worshiping

>>18982529
But tree worshiping is a part of paganism. It's not the whole deal, but it's certainly an element. Just like you could say Catholicism is praying to saints, or Islam is praying towards Mecca. These statements don't cover everything, but they're certainly factual. Why the defensiveness? Just say it proudly: pagans worship trees.

>>18982529
>belief in a tree deity at one point
Also, I should add that if you read that entire text, you'd realize it wasn't "at one point" - it was an ongoing belief and practice, and contemporary, non-European pagans still observe it.

>>18982521
What's wrong with worshiping trees? They have more of a soul than any Jew or abstraction.

>>18982521
>>18982548
>>18982554
tree worship > feet and the juices thereof worship

>>18982548
>tree worshiping is a part of paganism
show me a definition that backs this statement

>>18982548
>>18982554
>>18982521
What's wrong with worshiping nature? What's wrong with sacralizing her?

>>18982529
>>18982548
>>18982554
>>18982578
>>18982579
Prayer in indo-european polytheism is a holistic process that involves body, soul, and mind together. Your whole being honors the Gods through these three channels, hence a food offering, a sacred space or a libation is required each time you ask the Gods to be propitious to you. The Gods gave you life and the beauties of the world without asking anything in return, in giving them your offerings you are simulating the divine benevolence of the deities. Pagans do not worship trees, they use trees and other physical elements to be in communion with the Gods, each time you consecrate a grove or an altar to a God you are sharing your space with the Gods.

>>18982578
>>18982579
Do you not notice how quickly you guys pivot?
>Pagans worshipped trees.
>No, they didn't.
>Yes, they did. Here's proof.
>Of course they did! Trees are fucking awesome! I love trees! What, do you hate trees?

I'm just going to level with you - you lot have absolutely no commitment to any position other than your contempt of Christianity. You know absolutely nothing at all about the cultures you claim to love. And when someone comes along and corrects your misconceptions, you lash out mindlessly at a spook of your own invention. It's sad.

>>18982628
>Pagans worshipped trees.
the initial line was "paganism is tree worshiping" which is a separate point

>>18979495

>>18982628
I wish I were an ancient tree. It would be based. I would be friends with all the birdies and squirrels.
You're just a faggot. I'm better than Jewsus btw. Please worship me. Also, can you send me some Bitcoin?

>>18982634
The original line was, "Russians decide to become tree worshipping retards instead." While I don't agree with the notion that tree worship is retarded - I think it's rational to notice the divine in the natural world - someone then insisted paganism isn't tree worship. But it is. And more, of course.

>>18982625
>body, soul, and mind
This is a modern anthropology. Pagans had a wide variety of conceptions of human nature. Oftentimes, they didn't distinguish between soul and mind; other times, they attributed numerous parts to the soul, and suborned the body to the soul.
>Pagans do not worship trees, they use trees and other physical elements to be in communion with the Gods
Another modern idea grounded in Christian iconography. Ancient pagans absolutely believed that gods inhabited objects (natural and man-made), or that an object could be a god.

See what I mean about not knowing anything? You've taken Christianity, and papered it over with something that looks vaguely pagan.

>>18982684
>Pagans had a wide variety of conceptions of human nature. Oftentimes, they didn't distinguish between soul and mind; other times, they attributed numerous parts to the soul, and suborned the body to the soul.
The ancients had no means to know the mind resided in the brain, so they did not make a distinction or placed it somewhere else, by this logic you should consider the Earth flat, otherwise you're a fake christian, why are you contradicting yourself you massive faggot?
>Ancient pagans absolutely believed that gods inhabited objects (natural and man-made), or that an object could be a god.
Inhabiting objects doesn't make that object the only place a God can reside in, Gods would be absolutely unfazed by the destruction of an object because they are transcendent and invisible to our limited senses
>or that an object could be a god
now this is plain abrahamic bullshit propaganda, to make the objects Gods is to make the Gods mortal which clearly goes against the notion that the Gods are immortal

>>18982357
>Jews came along and gave Europeans architecture, art, literacy, culture
???

>>18982270
Plato rejected the common polytheism of his day because he thought it was retarded, as did Aristotle and almost every noteworthy Greek philosopher. Keep coping.

>>18982405
Fatima is QAnon for catholics.

>>18982775
He wasn't warming up to the semitic monotheism anyway ; keep trying to retcon him.

>>18982595
>What's wrong with worshiping nature?
Feuerbach - Essence of Religion explains this well

Basically, all attributes of G*D are literally attributes of nature (not as a distinct entity, but as the whole of our universe). Nature gave us life, food, joy, skills, health, etc, but also disease, death, etc. Ludwig argues that by denying "nature" and inventing a "G*D" we are in fact destroying everything that is worth of worshiping.
Why respect air, trees, water, animals? They're useless and irrelevant, all that matters is G*D ---> while in fact air trees water and animals is exactly all that matters.

>>18982736
>The ancients had no means to know the mind resided in the brain
What are you babbling about? You're the one who claimed the ancients distinguished between mind, body, and soul. I'm saying they didn't - or, at least, most of them did not. (The ancient Greeks generally held to a tripartite theory of man). They certainly didn't try to honor the gods "through these three channels." They had their own beliefs, and their own practices, while you are inventing your own.
>Inhabiting objects doesn't make that object the only place a God can reside in, Gods would be absolutely unfazed by the destruction of an object because they are transcendent and invisible to our limited senses
>now this is plain abrahamic bullshit propaganda, to make the objects Gods is to make the Gods mortal which clearly goes against the notion that the Gods are immortal
Again, those are very modern, very monotheistic beliefs. Gods could die according to a great many ancient pagans. Gods' homes could be destroyed, effectively destroying them. Look at, oh, say, Ragnarok. Look at little nature gods - dryads and the like. Look at Hinduism with its multitude of regional divinities, some of whom face destruction when the geographical feature associated with them is destroyed.

Again, you don't know what you're talking about, and flailing blindly at "abrahamic bullshit propaganda" when we know these things from what the ancient pagans themselves left behind.

>>18982788
I didn't claim he was, only that he rejected common polytheism, the type of polytheism you and your fellow drooling dorks are trying to revive.

>>18982775
Wrong. Anyone who reads Plato and doesn't see a very devout polytheist is surely a mental midget and should be driven out of polite society.

Plato if anything stands out among other Greek philosophers for his piety and great concern for the gods.
>>18982828
>common polytheism
No such thing.

>>18982886
>t. didn't read plato

>>18982817
>You're the one who claimed the ancients distinguished between mind, body, and soul
No, I didn't, what I said was
>prayer is a holistic process that involves body, soul, and mind together.
Not a single time in my post did I mention the thoughts of the ancients on the mind.
>They had their own beliefs, and their own practices, while you are inventing your own
I am not inventing my own, I'm just putting to practice these rituals and picking up from where the ancients left, you see, religions tend to evolve and change over time, and abrahamic religions aren't an exception to this rule.
>Gods could die according to a great many ancient pagans
The Greeks and Roman Gods were immortal, the Norse Gods are replaced by new Gods after Valhalla, so yes, the Gods in their essences are immortal in pretty much every polytheist tradition.
>when we know these things from what the ancient pagans themselves left behind
You still haven't cited a single source from those pagan authors to back up your claims. Idolatry was the standard accusations christians and muslims charged their political enemies with, Popes and Templars were charged with fucking idolatry despite being important figures in the spread of christianity

>>18982283
1947, after Being and Time. He wrote an essay literally called “the turn”.

>>18982891
I have. I am just gonna assume you've only read one of those retard christcuck translations that translates daimon into "God". Or more likely you haven't read him at all except through secondary literature.

>>18982041
> your lot
> opposition
You don’t know what lot I am in and we’re hardly opposed. I’m just pointing out that I think your positions are idiotic, even if aspects and motivations are understandable (to me). I made the arguments you made once.

>>18982906
>What are the seminal works of late Heidegger?

>>18982886
Where do you see Plato being particularly polytheistic? He's a cultural polytheist, but seems mostly indifferent to questions of ordinary pagan cosmogony, except as interesting myths for either esoteric or didactic reasons. He clearly has an ironic attitude toward the more vulgar, everyday pagan myths, and is well aware of sophistic discourse on their contradictions and endless local variations.

He is probably an orphic or pythagorean, and he was also interested in Babylonian and Egyptian wisdom traditions. He obviously doesn't deny the pagan supernatural but I don't think he was pious in a straightforward sense. That kind of traditional piety is partly what killed his teacher.

He's not unique in this ambivalence either. Murray's Five Stages of Greek Religion calls the 5th century the Greek enlightenment and talks about progressive disillusionment and rising inability to take the old pagan traditions at complete face value. The rise of mystery traditions like neo-pythagoreanism and neo-orphism is a result of this, but so is the rise of committed "atheism" and agnostic or indifferent naturalism.

>>18982076
Lol

>>18981963
>Try reading his books and essays then.
No U

>>18982894
>No, I didn't, what I said was
Yes you did. Liar liar pants on fire.
>Not a single time in my post did I mention the thoughts of the ancients on the mind.
There is no mind but in Christ. Repent.
>abrahamic religions aren't an exception to this rule.
Jesus is the beginning and end. Eucharist signals his continual resurrection. We partake in his FLESH. You too shall partake in his FLESH. The glory of the FLESH.
>the Gods in their essences are immortal
Ahem, only Jews are immortal. Six gorrillion and still going strong, you white pig.
>You still haven't cited a single source from those pagan authors to back up your claims.
Was Jesus Christ a Negro by John G. Jackson. Jesus was black, the strongest and most graceful of all people. A people YOU can never compare to, disgusting subhuman.

>>18982923
They all work together in concert, but if you have little to no background in philosophy or German his entire corpus can be totally inaccessible. I’ll just warn you now that I think people who think Heidegger was some sort of based pagan are just dead wrong.

>>18981088
>the defeat of Chompskyite linguo-Abrahamism
what

>>18981088
>Mormonism just flat out is polytheistic.
Tell me more

>>18982936
>Yes you did. Liar liar pants on fire.
Learn to read, "ancients" isn't mentioned at all in that post you facetious dickhead
>There is no mind but in Christ. Repent.
>Jesus is the beginning and end. Eucharist signals his continual resurrection. We partake in his FLESH. You too shall partake in his FLESH. The glory of the FLESH.
This is how i know you're a fucking troll, kys

>>18982925
Sorry sweetie but some tradlarping Catholic having an ironic attitude toward the Arkansas lady that thinks Jesus is appearing in her piece of toast doesn't make him any less Christian. You have a very shallow and wholly modernist attitude toward polytheism.

And the fact that you think the trial and death dialogues of Socrates actually imply some form of impiety by Socrates makes me not want to discuss any religion or philosophy with you any more. No need to respond since I won't.

Of course I am willing to reconsider if you can actually post a treatise by a Greek polytheist that lays out and affirms this "common polytheism" of yours which Plato is supposed to have contradicted. Since you seem to think to interpret myth is to affirm disbelief in myth then finding such a posited view among the Greeks would be the best place to start.

>>18983031
I kind of effortposted so it's sad to get this reply. Unless it's a willful shitpost then that's funny and I don't mind. I hope it's the latter.

>>18982941
Okay thanks for the non-answer.
>heidegger wasn't a pagan
The death note of Heidegger:

Bread and Wine
>O happy Greece! You home to all the celestials,
>Is it then true what we first heard in our youth?
>Festive hall! Your floor is sea, and mountains
>your tables,
>Truly built long ago but for a single use.
>But where the thrones, the temple, and where the jugs
>Brimming with nectar, the songs to charm the gods?
>Where, now, the shining oracles wandering far?
>Delphi sleeps; where does great destiny sound?

To the Germans
>Never mock the child, who pricks and spurs
>The wooden horse and thinks himself so brave,
>O, good friends! Even we are
>Poor in deeds and fertile in our minds.
>But comes the deed, as the beam comes from the sky,
>From thought, perhaps, intelligent and ripe?
>Follows the fruit, as from the groves
>The somber foliage, the silent script?

The conciliator, Who never believed...
>Conciliator, who never believed
>Are here now, a friendly form to me,
>Immortal, but indeed
>I recognize the high one
>That bends my knees,
>And almost like a blind man I must,
>Messenger from heaven, ask you why
>and whence you've come to me, happy peace!
>This much I know, mortal you are not,
>for much may a wise man or
>A faithful one, true-sighted friends, reveal,
>but when a god appears, from heaven and earth and sea,
>Comes then a clarity, ever-new.

The Titans
>It is not yet
>Time. Still they are
>Unbound. The indifferent care nothing for the divine.

Bread and Wine
>So come! That we may look at open spaces,
>That we seek what is our own, though it be far.
>One thing stands fast; it is at noon, or nearly
>Midnight, always there is a measure,
>Common to all, yet to each his own is given,
>All must come and go wherever he can.

>>18979495
>6 year old article
Guess what didn't end up happening?

>>18983052
This is supposed to prove conclusively that he was a pagan or something?

Why are you asking about him in the first place if you seemingly have all the answers? You just wanted a debate. How disingenuous.

>>18983084
I just wanted to prove you wrong, you stupid little shit.

>>18983049
If that was an effortpost then I weep for you.

Your entire argument hinges on the idea that to interpret myth is a form of impiety. Nothing would imply this, unless of course you can find me an ancient treatise that posits this. You saying he was an orphic or pythagorean is not an argument since both are just smaller pieces of a grander Greek polytheism.

> be a self-described “pagan”
> “Christianity was awful”
> “modernity awful”
> “now check out my philosophical arguments, theology, apologetics, and rituals (acquired from scientific study)”
> “it’s just like nature and stuff”
They actually do this.

>>18983093
But you didn’t prove anyone wrong and you dodged my question.

>>18983099
Read posts before replying to them in the future, don't try to pre-establish based on gut feeling what "camp" the other guy falls into and then orient yourself into the appropriate "camp." That's not how conversation between real human beings works. Stay off social media for a while and don't watch Youtube videos.

>>18983084
You(or someone else) said late Heidegger is an example of a pagan theologian since Rome. I asked for clarification on how to accurately distinguish between early and late Heidegger. You(or someone else) responded with after 1947. I asked for the seminal works for this pagan theologian late Heidegger.

>>18983111
Okay you got nothing.

>>18983107
Haha, look at this guy, trying to play it tough. I won this debate from the start. Why don't you go cry to daddy Jesus to help you some more? You were doomed from the start, weak little boy. I am strong like my ancestors. I ride the waves on my sailboat singing hymns to Odin. What do you do? Dress in a little skirt and sing some prayers to a sweaty Jew?
Admit defeat, feeble Christian, for the my ancestral GodSSS still live and forevermore.

>>18983128
The dress has frills. I wouldn't expect you to understand, LARPagan.

>>18983117
Someone else to be clear. You asked how to distinguish between early and late Heidegger, which I now find ironic considering you think you know so much about him that you posted his poems to prove me wrong in his polytheism, even though he literally christened his own early phase from late phase with an essay called “the turn” which you’d definitely know if you knew anything about him. So I told you straight away that the divider is “the turn” and then I answered your other question and wanted you as someone who has actually read Heidegger about the interpretation. Then you got all upset and posted on the aforementioned poem, which proves nothing to anyone. Then you got more upset and said you posted it to prove me wrong. And you still haven’t even answered the question. So I won’t be replying to you again.

>>18983134
You're not replying because you know I won. Now go ahead and run away.

>>18979559
i would argue the opposite
pagans believed it so fully that they felt no need for theologians/they felt no need to prove its existence, unlike christians, who are all converts

>>18979495
all neo-paganism is 100% a LARP since it's always and without exception done in opposition to christianity thus making it disingenuish and artificial

>>18983229
>a religion defining itself in contradiction to other religions isn't genuine
It's time for you to read the Assmann, egyptologist Jan Assmann. You have a lot to learn about abrahamism

tree worshippers moving the goal posts so hard they threw out their backs and are now on suicide watch

>>18979495
>bunch of edgy teens larping in the woods listening to rock
>revival
Cope

>>18979559
Not reading books and being outright ignorant about their existence doesn't mean that they aren't real.

>>18983222
cringe

>>18981981
You fagans did nothing but chimp out at each other for bowing to the wrong rocks for centuries before Boniface chopped down your faggot tree.

>>18979495
Are cute girls involved in this?

>>18984157
no, just ugly ones

>>18984185
:(

>>18980094
>Plato
>Christian
That's a cringe Nietzsche-tier take.

>>18984189
but hey, at least your sons would be strong, broad shouldered, thick jawed aryans like their mom

>>18980094
Christians are genetically unable to understand Paganism in its own terms. The merchants really won.

>>18981537
Late Heidegger was a catholic

>>18982521
>>18982529
>>18982548
>>18982554
>>18982578
>>18982579
>>18982595
>>18982634
Trees in Germanic myth are sacred because
1. The Great Ash, Yggdrasil, is the metaphysical pole that all realities are structured around (sacred mountains like Mt. Olympus can play similar roles in other “pagan” religions)
2. After Woden created the world from Ymir’s corpse the first man and woman were said to of been driftwood from the debris that Woden breathed life into so worshipping trees could be a sort of primordial ancestor worship in this sense (you can see trees used in reference to humans in skaldic poetry “armoured trees” = warriors etc...)
3. Some specific trees were held sacred to specific Gods like the Oak to Thunor

>>18982595
>What's wrong with worshiping nature?
Subjugating yourself to nature is for cucks. Humans are greater than nature.

>>18985420
Humans are the beings of twin natures, we are the combined essence of the Gods and the materiality of the Earth, both the masculine and feminine metaphysical principles of creation, it is why we can transcend to be more like the Gods or we can devolve into our earthly animal subhumanity. Even Zeus considered Man as master of both natures to be a threat to the Gods themselves because of the power they could wield as such.

>>18985420
>>18985455
incel cope. non-serotonergic opinions will be discarded

>>18985411
>we wuz greeks n scheiß

>>18979559
“Paganism” is a catch all term for the worship of literally thousands of different and overlapping gods that varies between communities. Since we can’t get any good picture of a single pagan communities ceremonies and worshiping methods there’s no way to be a pagan then to larp and mess around. It’s like trying to write a book in an undeciphered language, retarded

Saved ages ago. I liked the cover

>>18985411
Based

>>18983222
This is correct. Even Augustine admitted this.
>Christianity reveals what the pagans had already apprehended.

>>18979559
yawn....have christians created a single new talking point since 2015? your shit is so boring it doesnt deserve a genuine refutation
>>18981911
most pagan gods are the same things anyways, i dont really know why you would choose to worship your own gods under foreign names but theres nothing really stopping you. you should just be germanic pagan tho. its better anyways.

>>18984203
> bring so dumb he thinks the implication was that Plato was a Christian

>>18979495
Already retroactively refuted by Guenon. Since you cannot be initiated into it properly, you can only LARP

>>18988240
>Guenon
literally who?

also imagine not self-initiating yourself via meditation and isolation in nature like the druids did. our people dont need some pedophile spic to endorse our temples for it to be valid. the gods are found in nature and their will can be made clear to those who listen. i pity you that you havent ever had a genuine religious experience without some pedophiles help

>>18988240
Most holiday ceremonies in Europe are pagan in origin/essence and could serve as initiatiatory ritual, Mayday being an important one that is mostly non-Christianized (although secularized) that is still widely celebrated all over Europe. Guénon didn’t know much about Indo-European religion outside of Hinduism, and even then he believed the Aryan Invasion of India, which brought Sanatana Dharma to India, was Western make-believe, which has now been debunked by DNA evidence. Guénon mostly claimed Christian tradition in the West to be sterile and I don’t recall him ever rly mentioning much about Indo-European religion at all. Evola would be better to read in that regard and he still believed there was a “pagan” essence to Europe that could be tapped into.

>>18988292
>just talk to a tree bro lmao

>>18988240
Guenon was a retard.

>>18988312
Trees symbolize a being nurtured in the earthly womb that spends it’s existence rising towards the Heavens, a good metaphor for Man seeking transcendence.

>>18988312
trees are useful meditation tools, and symbolic of the connection between underworld, real world, and hyper world. but your god despises an asherah pole and wants them all razed to the ground, isnt that right? tell me what kind of god hates his own creations? ive never met people with such contempt for nature as christians, jews and muslims, and yet you claim this nature is the creation of your pitiful little god. what a laughable idea. your god is clearly a false god, a pretender idol, a demon masquerading as a deity. i pray that you see the truth one day

>>18979495
>cioran's a short history of decay, fall into time, and particularly the new gods
for critique of monotheism and modern religion
>the works of ludwig klages
for pagan metaphysics
as always if you want a christian representation of klagesian metaphysics, charles williams is for you

>>18988367
Science is my god. Enjoy drinking some witches period blood under a full moon so you can become a wiccan god.

>>18988377
science was invented by pagans, like the men who invented astrology which eventually developed into astronomy, or the men who invented alchemy which would eventually develop into chemistry. our ritual practices and religious traditions are literal science. yours is metaphorical cannibalism.

>>18988367
Abrahamics hate nature because they have a Master-Slave dynamic with their God and have a huge disconnect between Earth and Divinity, Creator and Created are separate rather than being bound together as part of the Eternal Order and working in a divine symbiosis like pagans did with their Gods. This leaves a taste of always having to submit and feel like a lesser being when faced with Yahweh, man is banned from trying to be more like their God because that is seen as challenging his authority and Yahweh is the most jealous of all Gods and can’t allow that. Man projects this master-slave dynamic on to the world where he becomes the master of Earth and forces nature to be his slave like his God made him a slave. Man is the play thing of Yahweh and the earth is seen as created to be mans play thing, the flora and fauna are not to be respected but used to further Yahweh’s will at all costs.

>>18988399
>schizo ramblings are science dude
>when this constellation is in the sky that means you will have a shit day
lmao, I always knew /lit/ was retarded but this is brain dead retarded

>>18988377
Science explains the mechanical functions of material existence but cannot explain the process of manifestation that holds reality together. Science oversteps it’s boundaries in denying anything beyond the physical senses and leaves us with raw data that just turns to cold nihilism in the end, all because they can’t explain something supra-logical that transcends materiality in a lab setting it must not exist or it isn’t worth knowing, a very un-scientific and arrogant approach I think.

>>18988402
>Man is banned from trying to be more like their God
We are literally made in his image.

>>18988453
Yes, you are CREATED in his image, but you are not to try and transcend to his level, you must continue as his creation rather than his equal, you must follow the path he has set up for you, stray from Yahweh’s will and you’ll be smited down because by doing so you challenge his role as your master.

>>18988240
>INITIATION!

/Ar5FndTkJM
Join our new paganism server, all learners and believers are welcome.
Features:
-A channel where you'll find date converters and calendars for your faith
-Guides and ancient primary sources for beginners
-A channel to share pics of your sacred space
-Several roles for every brand of polytheist faith and philosophical school
-Theology, literature, history and philosophy channels
-A politically neutral community without idpol shit, progressives and ethnonationalist LARPers are banned on sight
Abrahamic believers and atheists may also join, but they have to agree not to proselytize or disparage the faith of the members of the community

>>18988402
>>18988481
You're interchanging the Semitic deity SNEED ( יהוה ) with CHUCK ( ᚷᛟᛞᚨᚾ ). SNEED is not the god of the Aryans, for example, but CHUCK( ᚷᛟᛞ ) is.
The god of the Bible is known by the name of SNEED( יהוה ), not CHUCK ( ᚷᛟᛞ )

>>18988674
They are literally the same god. The name my have changed, but Fucking and Sucking, and Feeding and Seeding, are are both the same thing. An agricultural deity that simply underwent a name change due to cultural exchange.

>>18979495
It’s a LARP. Pagan identity is hating on Christianity

>>18988674
>>18988696
holy based

>>18982091
You got a new link? That one is expired

>>18988481
The singular aim for the Christian is theosis. What are you even getting at you ignorant fool?

>>18988892
/MpGJCr8vqg

>>18988893
Theosis depends on God's will; if He decides that none are worthy to be with Him (save for, perhaps, the Virgin Mary), to the outer darkness with you! What, you had an entire lifetime to repent and fulfill His unreasonable expectations?

With God, all things are possible, but not all things are effected.