/lit/ - Literature

>>18979529
Civilisation is built for women

>>18979529
Is civilization itself not something of an inevitability anthropologically?

Yes.

>>18979537
fpbp

>>18979529
No, because in that case white people wouldnt be the master race and that would make me very sad

>>18979537
The future is female sweaty

>>18979529
What is human?

>>18979621
If they are the master race why did they end up destroying themselves?

>>18979537
Only men can build civilization

>>18979623
As long as you keep giving pity sex to the ugly guys, otherwise things might turn dark.

>>18979671
No shit, read the post again.

>>18979631
We aren't talking about niggers here

>>18979529
civilisation is the natural course for man, highly industrialised civilisation however moves in the direction of optimising man out of the system. once industrialisation falls apart the spirit of man will be in a much better state

>>18979608
Best post

>>18979537
>>18979619
First post, smoke screen. Women who oppose it are burned at the stake, drowned or worse.
>>18979671
Well cut it out

>>18979529
The term itself is a lie. The so-called savage or primitive world is the civil society.

>>18979529
>Inherently
No, I don't think so. That's how it winds up being most of the time, though.

>>18979529
Will buying his books get me put on a watchlist?

>>18979623
>the future is female
Yes, indeed, the future is female, that's why the world is becoming a clownfest and heading towards self-destruction

>>18980323
They collect all data. If they want to they check in on people who have done a handful of red light activities. Get book, get other extremist literature, buy gun(s), join militia, buy explosives materials.
What I suspect though, is that they want more incidents like the Boston Marathon bombing. It justifies their existence.
Cops in general aren’t there to prevent crime. That’s a tv show.

>>18980344
The present is still quite Male and you know it.

"He who is unable to live in society, or who has no need because he is sufficient for himself, must be either a beast or a god." - Aristotle

Aristotle believed that humans are eminently social and therefore naturally organize themselves into structures we may call "society" and "civilization."

An industrial society is particularly anti-human because it sees human beings as part of the machines.

This post-industrial society is even worse for blue collar folks because now they are seen mostly as "surplus labor." They are no longer needed to run the machines and so they are simply left to die because capitalists can no longer exploit them.

The truth is...we were born to die. Our fate is anti-human.

>>18979529
technology is developed through uses developed in need to meet the civilizations demand, e.g. agriculture, food distribution, protection against nature, protection against animals, protection against other tribes, protection against ones own people [kingship replaces idols, shrines, gods worshiped and Council Elders]; more pointedly long distance communication
telecommunication enters when technology has developed
mass comm. only enters at that stage when telecommunication is developed
globalization only enters when mass communication is developed
civilizations enter before globalization
cities enter before civilizations
villages enter before cities
caves enter before villages
...
mumford is teaching me right now

>>18980351
Don't ever reply to me again butterfag

>>18980360
>Aristotle believed that humans are eminently social and therefore naturally organize themselves into structures we may call "society" and "civilization."
The slave owning society of Athens
> The truth is...
Here >>18979608

depends on your definition of “human”

>>18980358
>The present is still quite Male and you know it.

>more and more obesity
>more and more microplastics
>declining testosterone as a result
>more and more demonization of straight male sexuality as being "predatory"
>men now have to walk on eggshells to not get charged of sexual assault
>courts overwhelmingly favor women in practically all scenarios
>marriage also overwhelmingly benefits women, especially through divorce rape
>women having all the rights of men and none of the responsibilities or expectations
>more and more autistic, ugly and/or short men becoming social rejects
>more and more hookup culture and hypergamy, men with average or below average appearance can't compete at all
>more and more lonely men becoming prison gay, trannies, or killing themselves
>it's not socially acceptable to speak about male rights or female privilege but is socially acceptable to speak about female rights and male """privilege"""

Modern culture absolutely isn't fair to men and you only deny it because you benefit from it

>>18979678
>No shit, read the post again
It's built by men for men. Not for women.
>>18980312
>Well cut it out
No I like civilization and modernity.
>>18980358
>The present is still quite Male and you know it.
No it isn't. There are hardly any men out there today.

>>18980397
I am not benefiting from it.
Males enslave other males.
Males use other males racism/sexism/etc. to distract from a class war
Males are in a stupid game to collect all the Money tokens and they’ll kill whoever, males included, gets in their way.
Males are declaring themselves females and invading women’s spaces. Stop being so r9k.

>>18980433
Some invention, some structures are worth keeping. Have you read Bolo’bolo?

>>18980312
>anarchist who wants direct democracy and abolition of hierarchy is also anti-civilization
Really makes you think

>>18979529
The concept of ecofascism is inherently anti-progress since it outlaws consumption which drives technology forward. Anyway go live in a hut.

>>18980448
I’m not a primitivist

>>18979529
He is useless for anything other than pointing out that modern society is soulless and decadent. His solutions are impractical and some of his more radical conclusions are too defeatist in nature to lead to anything substantial. Read Evola and Codreanu.

>>18980443
>Males enslave other males.
Only u enslave urself
>Males use other males racism/sexism/etc. to distract from a class war
I don't want to get along with "other races" i want to live seperately from them.
>Males are in a stupid game to collect all the Money tokens and they’ll kill whoever, males included, gets in their way.
These are retards
>Males are declaring themselves females and invading women’s spaces.
These aren't men
>Have you read Bolo’bolo?
Is it worth reading?

>>18980368
the drawing line made from what I've learned so far is that there is a relationship between the early days of man to "modern" man and that everything that occurs today is taken and developed from that which occurred yesterday. that might seem an obvious point to make, but i don't know...I wanted to learn about the history of civies becuz everyone studying technologies essence draws from a beginning point and this is the book I decided upon to help me understand the start.

>>18980464
Mumbo jumbo
Deflection
Those are millionaires who are, by your males societies standards, your betters.
Trans males (Xy) are males

…
Bolo’bolo is a great plan. Very open, but also medieval looking. A nice vision of a future

>>18980351
>Cops in general aren’t there to prevent crime. That’s a tv show.
Go live in new york

>>18979529

No obviously not
That's like saying the ocean is inherently anti-fish
Civilization is inherently pro-human
That's why it must be stopped

>>18980491
Why?

>>18979529
Yes. It is artificial, non living, and innately destructive to the environment

>>18980323
You're already on a watchlist for clicking on this thread, might as well read the book.

>>18979671
This is true because men are naturally stronger. When power must be consolidated through the military, there will be a patriarchy

>>18980351
>muh ACAB
Spoken like someone who's never lived in a crime ridden shithole
I get that the cops have some corruption in them, but every single large human organization has some corruption
Let me tell you, you'd be BEGGING for the police to be re-funded if you lived in Brazil, Mexico, or any other warlike country

Leftoids almost never realize that the world is largely a chaotic, dangerous place outside a handful of countries and it's infuriating as someone who lives in a country where you can get shot for looking at someone funny

>>18980543
Civilization needs police because it is inherently violent. Tribal people were not inherently violent and when violence broke out, they could handle shit on their own.

>>18980485
>Mumbo jumbo
>Deflection
No u
>Those are millionaires who are, by your males societies standards, your betters.
I am the only man in existence today, save for maybe a handful more. Businessmen are doomed to remain little men.
>Trans males (Xy) are males
They are spiritually female.
>>18980511
>Why?
You will see how necessary pigs are.

>>18980323
You're on 4chan, EVERYBODY on this site is on a FBI watchlist, EVERYBODY

No joke, the glowniggers eyeball this site like crazy, they spend millions and have thousands of staff for monitoring this site for some bizarre reason, just look at how 8ch*n got taken down by glownigger falseflaggers setting up child porn spamming bots as an excuse to shut it down

>>18980564
You dont really need cops if everyone is carrying. Maybe a sherriff

>>18980579
It's a bit ironic because nobody can actually organize anything ever on 4chan due to the nature of the site. Even some little Facebook group or twitter circle has much more potential to actually do something irl

>>18980485
>Bolo’bolo is a great plan. Very open, but also medieval looking. A nice vision of a future
I will read it btw, but will only accept it if the design of the architecture is aesthetically pleasing. Otherwise no.

>>18980543
Brazil has cops. Like 1980. New York had cops.
Crime is allowed in poor neighborhoods. They only mop up some scenes.

This “leftoid” realizes why the world is crime ridden. But I get at the root cause, not slather some blue filmy layer over it.

>>18979623
The immediate future is female*

Over the span of the next 2000 years men will be fucking robots with artificial wombs and women will be converting to men en masse just to stay remotely relevant.

>>18980602
>the root of crime is le capitalism
Butterfly please just go post pictures of hot girls in some other thread

>>18980564
Civilization needs police because niggers are inherently violent.
Ftfy

>>18980576
The quote is goading the working class to revolt.

>>18980598
The design can be however they people build it. In freedom, I’d imagine quite aesthetically pleasing indeed

>>18980620
I dont see capitalism written anywhere in the post.

>>18980579
Imagine actually believing this.
Go on Tor if you actually want a "sekret club"

>>18980620
>He doesn’t know what causes corruption and poverty

>>18980625
Niggers which civilization brought over in chains. Also
>everyone was peaceful before black people showed up
Racists are dumber than niggers

>>18980634
>The quote is goading the working class to revolt
The working class is a spook.
>The design can be however they people build it. In freedom, I’d imagine quite aesthetically pleasing indeed
I will read it and consider implementing it in my totalitarian regime.

>>18980647
Lol kill yourself dumb retard. Whites are pacified and non violent. The amount of violent crime is directly proportional to the amout of niggers.

Kill yourself dumb fucking retard

>>18980646
>>18980602
Nothing you have to say is thought-provoking, you dyke. It's as banal as an overly didactic Calvin and Hobbes comic.
You are as retarded as any other parochial American. Kys if you hate men so much, dumb bitch.

>>18980666
>Seething racist who has done nothing of value with his life so he latches on being white
Many such cases.
Whites fought each other for millenia in Europe then went around and destroyed ever free culture in existence.

>>18980662
The working poor he was referring to in the quote.

>totalitarian Bolos
Heh. Not compatible

>>18980666
Not; didn’t laugh, Satan

>>18980679
>Whites fought each other for millenia in Europe then went around and destroyed ever free culture in existence.
Every race has done this. Whites were only the best at it because of their intelligence.
Today whites are the most peaceful people ever bar none. They are far too nice.

Anyone who complains about racism should be deported to west Africa. I hate your ilk.

>>18980678
Banal? More like common knowledge, common sense. I pretend nothing profound about it.

Some males aren’t deranged

>>18980682
>Not; didn’t laugh, Satan
You have never seen a black neighborhood in your life. No one wants to live with black people. Not even black people.

>>18980694
>Every race has done this. Whites were only the best at it because of their intelligence.
>Yea bro, whites are better because they are better killers
Race is vastly over analyzed concept. You are pathetic for defining your life through it. Only people who have nothing else to show for themselves become this obsessed with race.

>>18980485
>Trans males (Xy) are males
Butterfly proven based once again

>>18980694
Most human beings are trash irrespective of race.

>>18980682
>The working poor he was referring to in the quote.
I know but Stirner never particularly cared about the "working class".
>Heh. Not compatible
All a totalitarian state is, is a state which is is concerned about every aspect of a citizens lives.
Read: A state that really really cares about you.

>>18980705
>Race is vastly over analyzed concept. You are pathetic for defining your life through it. Only people who have nothing else to show for themselves become this obsessed with race.
YOU ARE THE ONE WHO CALLED ME RACIST YOU PIECE OF SHIT. YOU BOUGHT IT UP. YOU ARE THE ONE OBSESSED WITH RACE.

you are the scum of the earth. I will not engage.

>>18980682
I wrote “not funny;”
Harumph.

>>18980704
AND I UNDERSTAND FULLY WHY THEY ARE CRIME RIDDEN, YOU ABSOLUTE BUFFOON.
>Whites are peaceful and smrt!
You are dumb. Read >>18979608

>>18980679
>laments "seething racist" by seething back

Oof.

>>18980710
>Most human beings are trash irrespective of race.
You are talking from a lack of experience.

>>18980699
The reality is you are deranged and projecting it to others. You have no interesting crafts, you are overly obsessed with your own brand of social justice, and you are sex crazed whore who acts like an insipid bonobo. The elites are correct to torture dumbasses like you.

>>18980705
It's a cope and denial to "not care about race" in a culture which is hyper obsessed with race.

>>18980721
>...Anonymous
>09/04/21(Sat)08:15:34 No.18980625
>>>18980564 (You) #
>Civilization needs police because niggers are inherently violent.
>Ftfy
>You are the one who brought up race
Thanks for providing a demonstration on how stupid racists are

>>18980727
You are talking from a naive humanism and your kind exists only to be fodder for the elites. This is one thing they get correct. If I were a part of black nobility I would manipulate your idealism for my own interests. I wouldn't give a shit if you died in wars or whatever. Tell me something interesting you've done with your life because as it stands now, I don't even see what merit your life even possesses. You are too fixated on humanity, and you are just as shallow and banal as humanity.

>>18980723
>AND I UNDERSTAND FULLY WHY THEY ARE CRIME RIDDEN, YOU ABSOLUTE BUFFOON.
NO YOU DON'T. YOU HAVE NEVER SEEN A BLACK NEIGHBORHOOD IN YOUR LIFE. (Honestly I doubt you go outside heh)
TOUCH GRASS BUTTERFLY.
>CAPITALISM=BLACK PROBLEM WILL GO AWAY
NO BIGGER LIE HAS NEVER BEEN SPOKEN. THERE IS NO NOBLE SAVAGE. IT IS ALL A LIE.

>>Whites are peaceful and smrt!
YES THEY ARE.
ARE YOU NOT PEACEFUL AND SMART? WHITE PEOPLE ARE NOT ANYMORE SAVAGE THAN OTHER RACES AND TODAY THEY ARE THE LEAST SO.

THEY ARE THE NICEST PEOPLE EVER.

>>18980483
"Verily all my birds and winged creatures have flown away--
'Alas! for my city,' I will say.
'My daughters and my sons have been carried off--
'Alas! for my men,' I will say.
'O my city which exists no longer, my city attacked without cause,
'O my city attacked and destroyed!'"

war ravaged our lands until the complete inoculation of the serfdom first through pervasive propaganda treatments and finally, towrds genomic control to decide what the people think and how they behave. globalization trends toward the complete subjugation of man and all his tendencies, excluding the dominant minority.

>>18980733
Not really, it's just a desire not to get bogged down in topic spammed everywhere with the intent on dividing people

>>18980735
>Thanks for providing a demonstration on how stupid racists are
I DIDN'T BRING UP RACE I BOUGHT UP NIGGERS. I COULD HAVE JUST AS EASILY SAID ANY OTHER GROUP OF PEOPLE.
>You are talking from a naive humanism and your kind exists only to be fodder for the elites. This is one thing they get correct. If I were a part of black nobility I would manipulate your idealism for my own interests. I wouldn't give a shit if you died in wars or whatever. Tell me something interesting you've done with your life because as it stands now, I don't even see what merit your life even possesses. You are too fixated on humanity, and you are just as shallow and banal as humanity.
Deranged

>>18980743
>>You are talking from a naive humanism and your kind exists only to be fodder for the elites. This is one thing they get correct. If I were a part of black nobility I would manipulate your idealism for my own interests. I wouldn't give a shit if you died in wars or whatever. Tell me something interesting you've done with your life because as it stands now, I don't even see what merit your life even possesses. You are too fixated on humanity, and you are just as shallow and banal as humanity.
Deranged

>>18980754
>I DIDN'T BRING UP RACE I BOUGHT UP NIGGERS
Lol do you have a negative IQ?

>>18980716
>All a totalitarian state is
It totally wants to control you. Deny freedom. This is not what Bolos are about.

>18980728
>jackass with nothing of value to say.

>>18980745
Yeah, I do. Many understand what’s going on here. Study it a little and see for yourself.
We can all live in peace and raise bright kids. This was never a racial determinant

>>18980483
"Verily all my birds and winged creatures have flown away--
'Alas! for my city,' I will say.
'My daughters and my sons have been carried off--
'Alas! for my men,' I will say.
'O my city which exists no longer, my city attacked without cause,
'O my city attacked and destroyed!'"

war ravaged our lands as a means of releasing tension brought on by the dominant minority until the complete inoculation of the serfdom first through pervasive propaganda treatments and finally, towrds genomic control to decide what the people think and how they behave. globalization trends toward the complete subjugation of man and all his tendencies, excluding the dominant minority.

>>18980762
>Lol do you have a negative IQ?
WHERE DID I CALL NIGGERS A RACE?

>>18980763
>It totally wants to control you. Deny freedom. This is not what Bolos are about.
It wants to mold and shape you. It's called love.

>>18980716
>A state that really really cares about you.
a state is not a person, it does not have feelings for anything, least of all the individual
politicians don't care about you, they care about preserving their power and wealth
stop being a dog for government

>>18980716
>All a totalitarian state is, is a state which is is concerned about every aspect of a citizens lives.
>Read: A state that really really cares about you.
The state will send you, your entire family, and everyone you love to their deaths without a second thought. It is a soulless being.

>>18980790
>a state is not a person, it does not have feelings for anything, least of all the individual
A state is a multiplicity of individuals.
>politicians don't care about you, they care about preserving their power and wealth
Get a better state
>stop being a dog for government
I'm not a dog for any government
>>18980795
>The state will send you, your entire family, and everyone you love to their deaths without a second thought. It is a soulless being.
It's your choice to go follow it. You have free will.
All organisms have souls.

>>18980807
>A state is a multiplicity of individuals.
Yes, that seek power over other individuals.
>Get a better state
That is a description of all states.
>I'm not a dog for any government
You are when you treat the state as your owner and caretaker that knows best for you.

>>18979529

being isolated alone in a cabin out in the woods and sending bombs to people is anti-human

What are anti-civlization advocates advocating for? a return to a backward tribal existence that you see in africa? no thanks

ted kaczynski didn't believe any of that crap he said. the books he reads are made with technology. the cabin he lived in is a result of modern civilization.
tribespeople don't live in cabins

in facts books don't exist in pre-civilization societies

in tribal societies books are non-existent. if you are anti-civilization you shouldn't be reading books. you shouldn't even be riding books since they are made with the technology you abhor

>>18980857

shouldn't even be writing*

>>18980821
>Yes, that seek power over other individuals
This is a sign of good health
>That is a description of all states.
Wrong
>You are when you treat the state as your owner and caretaker that knows best for you.
I am the state.

>>18980763
>Yeah, I do. Many understand what’s going on here. Study it a little and see for yourself.
I may be anti-capitalist but I don't fall into tabula rasa delusion.
>We can all live in peace and raise bright kids. This was never a racial determinant
It's determinant of every individuals genetics.
You are naïve.

someone on the internet pretending to be anti-technology. how ironic!

>>18980863
>I am the state
The state functions just fine without you. You're a disposable appendenge to the state at best

>>18980884
Nobody is "anti-technology" retard, they're anti-abuse of technology

>>18980906
>The state functions just fine without you. You're a disposable appendenge to the state at best
Projection

>>18980873
>tabula rasa
I told him to look into it
>anti capitalist, racial “realist”
Talk about naïve

>>18980884
Uncle Ted probably doesn’t have internet

>>18980920
>I told him to look into it
"Him" is me and I've looked into "it" for as long as you have. In fact the only place where you and I differ in is the racial question.
>Talk about naïve
>We are all born equal and all capable of goodness and virtue!
18th century called. They want their philosophy back.

>>18980873
Averages don't speak in regards to the individual except in a probabilistic sense.

>>18979537
Kek

>>18980944
>Averages don't speak in regards to the individual except in a probabilistic sense.
Probability is a good predictor.

any pro technology arguments
i put forward forensic science. the ability to catch killers and rapists with technology is incredible and a good thing

>>18980955
Getting unbiased statistics in order to make probabilistic inferences is very difficult. It is better to just test the individual in question rather than rely on his group's averages. Individuals are not necessarily cogent reflections of their groups otherwise we would not come across white self-loathing leftists and white supremacists who wish to choke one another. It's better to prioritize the individual when discussing their intelligence and values.

>>18979623
You wrote the future is female AND will be accompanied by copioud amounts of sweat. Perhaps, you were intending to write
>The future is female, sweaty (man)
Or
>The future is female, sweetie.
If your comment shows anything, it's that the Future Is Female movement is composed entirely of retards and women, perhaps one in the same. Good luck with your dystopia.

>>18980979
Technology discovered is like the curses of Pandora’s box. You can’t get them back in. The useless ones, like nuclear weapons, can fall into disuse, but we’ll know of them till our extinction.
What we need to do is purposely peel them back. Microwaveable meals are an unnecessary shortcut to name one.
Ending consumerism is vital, and that can only happen after an end to market economics. Of course a working alternative can be made, but can we defend it against the degenerates who worship money and state?

>>18980987
>Getting unbiased statistics in order to make probabilistic inferences is very difficult
Not at all.
> It is better to just test the individual in question rather than rely on his group's averages.
This is all well and good but it's the "group" I want nothing to do with.
>Individuals are not necessarily cogent reflections of their groups otherwise we would not come across white self-loathing leftists and white supremacists who wish to choke one another.
They don't have to be 1:1 to notice patterns and make inferences. The fact that predictions aren't always 100% correct is not an argument.
Homogeneity is good and never hurt anyone.
>It's better to prioritize the individual when discussing their intelligence and values.
Individuals are reflections of their group. " Das 'Du' is alter als das 'Ich'. "

>>18981038
>Not at all.
You have to ensure your collected data generalizes well to an entire population. This can be difficult due to sample bias and controlling variables. Look up the replication crisis.
>This is all well and good but it's the "group" I want nothing to do with.
A group is just a collection of individuals. Discernible trends may exist, but reducing all individuals to that trend is disingenuous. Some individuals do not follow certain group trends for example.
>Homogeneity is good and never hurt anyone
Not related to the subject material being discussed. There are better arguments for that outside of baselessly calling individuals outside of your group retarded.
>Individuals are reflections of their group
No, they necessarily are not. You unfortunately sound just as retarded as a low-IQ ghetto trash nigger.
You are not the high point of your race (e.g., Schopenhauer, Bach, Goethe, etc.) At most you are average for your race, but those three I listed are far above the average.

>>18981000
shut the fuck up tripfaggot

>>18981097
>Schopenhauer, Bach, Goethe
All reflections of German pwople.
The British are empiricists and the French are rationalists. While the Germans were quite well at both. Even the philosophies are a reflection of the race.

Eat a bullet stupid fucking midwit.

>>18981153
>All reflections of German pwople.
Reflections of the "best" Germans. There are still dumb Germans like Merkel and more.
Class, individual idiosyncrasies, and diet and nutrition are all important too.
>Eat a bullet stupid fucking midwit.
You're on the lower end of the bell curve, no doubt.
Not every single German is a fucking Schopenhauer. Otherwise, you wouldn't have morons pushing for mass migration.
Honestly, eat shit. You're worse than a duplicitous Jew.

>>18979529
Civilization isn't anti-human, it is particularly human in the sense that humans are the only ones that do it.

>>18981185
You didn't address anything that I said moron. If these "great individuals" weren't reflections of their group they wouldn't think in radically different ways that is categorized to their group: again, British Empiricists vs the French Rationalists. There are no "individual" languages. All languages are public, the group is prior ontologically to the individual, I repeat from TSZ "Das 'Du' is alter als das 'Ich'. "
Individuals, even the great ones are do not operate as independent monads. The fact that you put all "the greats" into one category shows that you don't even understand. Bach, Schopenhaur, and Goethe are quintessentially German and reflection of German spirit.

I can listen to a piece of classical music and guess much better than "random chance" the country of origin and the year it is from exactly thanks to my understanding of "groups".

The fact that you can't, bespeaks to your mental inferority. Not mine.

>>1898125
I don't agree the group is not ontologically prior to the individual. That is an asinine claim when we start metaphysically considering how the first-person perspective relates to the external world. Regardless, I will focus on that later.
I never argued against seeking to preserve homogeneity in Western countries or that culturally defining artistic or ideological movements don't exist in your country. I only take issue with blanket claims such as referring to all non-whites as low IQ. You keep jumping all over the place. My point is simple, even within a respective culture, you have people that are smarter and more artistically gifted than others. That does not mean there's nothing that doesn't ethnically tie you to one another. It simply means you shouldn't judge an individual simply on the basis of their group.

>>18981257
I don't agree the group is not ontologically prior to the individual. That is an asinine claim when we start metaphysically considering how the first-person perspective relates to the external world. Regardless, I will focus on that later.
I never argued against seeking to preserve homogeneity in Western countries or that culturally defining artistic or ideological movements don't exist in your country. I only take issue with blanket claims such as referring to all non-whites as low IQ. You keep jumping all over the place. My point is simple, even within a respective culture, you have people that are smarter and more artistically gifted than others. That does not mean there's nothing that doesn't ethnically tie you to one another. It simply means you shouldn't judge an individual simply on the basis of their group.

>>18981257
I don't agree the group is ontologically prior to the individual. That is an asinine claim when we start metaphysically considering how the first-person perspective relates to the external world. Regardless, I will focus on that later.
I never argued against seeking to preserve homogeneity in Western countries or that culturally defining artistic or ideological movements don't exist in your country. I only take issue with blanket claims such as referring to all non-whites as low IQ. You keep jumping all over the place. My point is simple, even within a respective culture, you have people that are smarter and more artistically gifted than others. That does not mean there's nothing that doesn't ethnically tie you to one another. It simply means you shouldn't judge an individual simply on the basis of their group.

>>18979529
No, seeing as how every shade of them aside from the most primitive formed it. We’ve spent more time Throwing rocks are impalas sure, but we’ve achieved a lot more as settled people

>>18981320
>basis of their group
basis of their group averages*

>>18981300
>>18981320
I am not arguing for judging individuals by their group. I am arguing for judging groups by their individuals, and enacting policies against groups I want nothing to do with. You are accusing me of not knowing what you are arguing when you don't even know what I am arguing.

Yes the group comes prior to the individual. Unless you want to argue that the first ever primary social unit to emerge among humans was not the primitive herd, which existed before humans even evolved.

You also seem like a toxic person and I don't want to talk to you.

>>18981339
Just support pro-natalist laws for whites and anti-natalist laws for non-whites. It's simple enough. That's actually my position, you dumb faggot.
I just don't like it when people think they know me just because they know some shit from my culture. I don't even like my own culture. It doesn't mean shit to my fucking brain. It doesn't mean shit to my aesthetic preferences, individual proclivities, aspirations, or anything. You are a bugman genetic scum, the lowest scum of your barrel, to argue the group comes before the individual.
Stfu, you stupid pseud. You are a shit arguer and are making enemies even out of those who support you with your asinine and batshit crazy claims. No wonder kikes fucked you over. You stupid pseud. Shut the fuck up.
>You also seem like a toxic person and I don't want to talk to you
Idgaf. Slit your fucking throat. Go get raped and dismembered by a nigger. It suits absolute shits like you. You are absolutely worse than a Talmudist kike.

>>18981339
>>18981367
Also, there's something called experience-dependent neuroplasticity. Look it up, you dumb shit.
Your hubris is your downfall. You even make enemies out of those who in reality agree with you (in my case, it's pronatalist laws for whites and antinatalist ones for nonwhites).

>>18981367
T. Seething nigger
No wonder you are so toxic. Only furthers my point. I'd do away with wiggers just as I would with you. Bringing your ilk over here was the worst mistake ever.

>>18981367
>You are a bugman genetic scum, the lowest scum of your barrel, to argue the group comes before the individual.
This is a historical fact, unless you have evidence to the contrary.

>>18981395
Stop acting like a fucking kike.
"The toxic zoomie white alt-right tard cries out in pain as he strikes you."
A nigger wouldn't support pro-natalist policies for whites and antinatalist ones for nonwhites. Kys. You are on the lower end of your race's bell curve.

>>18981402
Experience-dependent neuroplasticity basically shows the individual comes before the group. You have to form a concept of the group in your mind in the first place. Feral children can't form these concepts in their minds.

>>18981416
>anti semite calling me on the lower end of the bellcurve
Heh
>>18981427
>Experience-dependent neuroplasticity
Which is a product of the genetics pool you are from

>>1898144
Yes, I am an antisemite. I assumed you were an antisemite given you are a white nationalist.
Are you a Jew pretending to be a white nationalist to give whites a bad name?
>Which is a product of the genetics pool you are from
This is actually a complex question.
It is true that there are genes that determine how long critical periods last or the degree of plasticity of the brain. A more plastic brain during adolescence is generally better.
I think nature/nurture is about 50/50.
Also, diet and nutrition have been shown to have direct effects on the plasticity of the brain.

>>18981446
Yes, I am an antisemite. I assumed you were an antisemite given you are a white nationalist.
Are you a Jew pretending to be a white nationalist in order to give whites a bad name?
>Which is a product of the genetics pool you are from
This is actually a complex question.
It is true that there are genes that determine how long critical periods last or the degree of plasticity of the brain. A more plastic brain during adolescence is generally better.
I think nature/nurture is about 50/50.
Also, diet and nutrition have been shown to have direct effects on the plasticity of the brain.

>>18981474
Also, to be clearer, let's say you are gifted with a highly plastic brain when younger. You want to use it for something good rather than dumb stuff. There is unfortunately such a thing as wasted potential in life.

>>18981474
>Yes, I am an antisemite. I assumed you were an antisemite given you are a white nationalist.
I am not a white nationalist. I would remove most white people from the genetic pool as well, I am devoutly anti-black and anti-mestizo and I think that the world would look better had these people not existed. Jews have redeeming qualities, much more than the latter two races I denounced.
>It is true that there are genes that determine how long critical periods last or the degree of plasticity of the brain. A more plastic brain during adolescence is generally better.
We can go back and forth with this on papers, I don't think what I'm saying is "PURE FACT" but that this is what it seems to me and this is the stance that I'm going to take because the science won't ever be settled on it.
>I think nature/nurture is about 50/50.
I think it's 80/20, your enviorment is a product of the nature that people birthed you. Genetics make sense, it's how trust fund kiddos become fuck ups and great men can emerge from homeless people.

Precisely over the fact that "character", "intelligence", these traits are genetic and these genetics come from the long group of peopke you descended from. This is why the nobility practiced breeding, and in ancient greece your status was dependent on your family, the "GROUP" you were from.
The tribe was the basic social unit.

That I said the group comes prior ONTOLOGICALLY does not mean I'm some grouo think retard.
In fact though, you think in accordance to your genetics which is a product of your group.
Everything is groups groups groups, you are a group of finely refined cells working together to create you, in the same way groups are multiplicities of indviduals the individual is a multiplicity of groups if individuals of cells and so on and so so on.

Point being people act in accordance to their genetics.

>>18981494
>Also, to be clearer, let's say you are gifted with a highly plastic brain when younger. You want to use it for something good rather than dumb stuff. There is unfortunately such a thing as wasted potential in life
Potential is a concept that can only be applied a priori, in ignorantia — there's no such thing.

>>18981524
What are you, faggot? Are you a Jew?
>I would remove most white people from the genetic pool as well
>Jews have redeeming qualities
I support pro-natalist policies for whites and antinatalist policies for nonwhites in Europe because I sympathize with their demographic decline. Having a homogenous country is generally better for trust and communal integrity. I do not support it for your Talmudist supremacist reasons.
>80/20
It's not possible. Stuff like diet and nutrition (in particular DHA), heavy exposure to an academic environment as a child, meditation (studies show it induces positive neuroplastic benefits), and much more have neuroplastic effects. Moreover, even stuff like tumors in one's brains can correlate with pedophiliac urges (there was a famous case of that).
Nature/nurture is at most 50/50.

>>18981540
Potential in the context I was using refers to what one decides to learn via repetition while their brain is more plastic. More plasticity means you can learn at a faster rate with less repetition. In general, the older you get, the less plastic your brain becomes, so it therefore becomes harder to learn new things or adapt to changing circumstances.

>>18981597
>What are you, faggot? Are you a Jew?
No.
>I support pro-natalist policies for whites and antinatalist policies for nonwhites in Europe because I sympathize with their demographic decline. Having a homogenous country is generally better for trust and communal integrity.
Sure
>I do not support it for your Talmudist supremacist reason.
Lol
>It's not possible. Stuff like diet and nutrition (in particular DHA), heavy exposure to an academic environment as a child, meditation (studies show it induces positive neuroplastic benefits), and much more have neuroplastic effects. Moreover, even stuff like tumors in one's brains can correlate with pedophiliac urges (there was a famous case of that).
Nature/nurture is at most 50/50.
I don't buy it
>paedophelic tendencies
This is DSM shit, not genetics.

>>18981610
>Potential in the context I was using refers to what one decides to learn via repetition while their brain is more plastic. More plasticity means you can learn at a faster rate with less repetition. In general, the older you get, the less plastic your brain becomes, so it therefore becomes harder to learn new things or adapt to changing circumstances.
Neuroplasticity is an expression of your genetics

>>18980358
I didn't get an assigned wife at age 15 and that is proof enough that this world is sick and no longer run by men.

>>18981626
You are making this conversation circular because you are not taking the time to understand what I am arguing. I did say genes express neuroplasticity, but even with a more plastic brain than average, one can choose to learn dumb stuff rather than useful knowledge or skills. A child who memorizes the entire Talmud is wasting his brain when he could learn to be a better mathematician or programmer. As the child becomes an adult, his brain will become less plastic, and thus, he cannot pick up on useful skills as easily. This is what I meant by wasted potential. The period of heightened neuroplasticity during adolescence is called "critical period".

>>18981613
Then what race are you, faggot
>I don't buy it
Not an argument. Do you need sources for each of my claims? I can provide sources for each claim you don't "buy".
>This is DSM shit, not genetics.
I have to find the study, but there was a man with a brain tumor. When his tumor was removed, he lost his pedophiliac urges.

>>18981651
>You are making this conversation circular because you are not taking the time to understand what I am arguing. I did say genes express neuroplasticity, but even with a more plastic brain than average, one can choose to learn dumb stuff rather than useful knowledge or skills. A child who memorizes the entire Talmud is wasting his brain when he could learn to be a better mathematician or programmer. As the child becomes an adult, his brain will become less plastic, and thus, he cannot pick up on useful skills as easily. This is what I meant by wasted potential. The period of heightened neuroplasticity during adolescence is called "critical period".
It speaks to the quality of the child who would rather spend his time reading the talmud than coding.

Talmud child is obviously superior. Everyone should read it.

>>18980733
>>18980721
I'm classified as a Nazi, and shut the fuck up about race. There is no "white race".

>>18981661
>It speaks to the quality of the child who would rather spend his time reading the talmud than coding
There are intelligent people who, due to poor environment, never truly cultivated themselves. This cannot be reduced to a purely genetic explanation.
>Talmud child is obviously superior. Everyone should read it.
What race are you, faggot? You do sound like a Jew to me.

>>18981667
NW-C Europeans cluster with each other on PCA autosomal DNA plots. They constitute a single race even if there may be various ethnic groups among them.

>>18980857
>>18980831
Retards.
If you get alone have electricity does the world change? No.
If the the entire world has electricity does the world change? In more ways than one.
Because he "didn't practice what he preaches" doesn't diminish the validity of the message.

>>18981613
>Nature/nurture is at most 50/50.
More like 1/99.

>>18981679
That is irrelevant and completely arbitrary on top of that. Family first, Tribe first, whatever comes after that get's murkier and more "outside".

>>18981691
bad example, genie had no chance to explore the world at all

>>18981698
>That is irrelevant and completely arbitrary on top of that
Autosomal DNA is not arbitrary. It covers one's genome via lineage of grandparents. Races related to one another cluster on PCA autosomal plots.
>Family first, Tribe first, whatever comes after that get's murkier and more "outside".
We're talking about race, which can be scientifically determined due to modern advancements in population genetics.

>>18981699
But it does illustrate that How you end up as an adult depends heavily on how you were raised by your parents/ substitute school system.
Every little bit counts.

>>18981730
Yes, I've already mentioned feral children to that moron.
However, nature/nurture is 50/50, not 1/99. This is because degree of neuroplasticity is determined by one's genes.
I think determining which races have higher frequency of genes associated with heightened neuroplasticity is a better indicator than average national IQs for the purposes of determining a group's intellectual potential. Also, it can be done on an individual scale.

>>18981672
>There are intelligent people who, due to poor environment, never truly cultivated themselves. This cannot be reduced to a purely genetic explanation.
Excuse
>What race are you, faggot? You do sound like a Jew to me.
I am the overman

>>18981729
Completely different people live just 250km apart.
There is no "white race" unless you're talking about mutts in the US. They can keep that label.
We Euros will keep killing each other as God intended.

>>18981691
Nothing a good 'ol dicking couldn't fix.

>>18981746
Okay but I am pan european

>>18981730
>>18981740
Lets create more feral children and test your hypotheses. Are you willing to do that, for "science"?

>>18981746
>completely different

>>18981672
>>18981740
I mean he's right.
Talmud is obviously superior to some dumb monkey brain shit like coding. Cultivate the childs general ability rather than turn him into a machine geared towards one dying, irrelevant profession, incapable of doing anything else.

>>18981746
Haplogroups don't really tell you anything about race. Only autosomal DNA does.
>>18981741
>Excuse
Not really am excuse. More like how the nature of causality works in general.
>I am the overman
How old are you?

>>18981752
Now that's an entirely different basket of figs mate.
Go kill yourself mutt.
>>18981759
Arbitrary.
A dog in my tribe is worth more than a 100 germans.

>>18981757
Nature/nurture is at most 50/50. I have tons of examples of things that induce positive neuroplasticity. I can give sources for each.
>>18981761
Coding is not easy, and it is a useful skill to know in this day and age. Also, the Talmud has absolutely no literary value.

>>18981765
>Not really am excuse. More like how the nature of causality works in general.
Idk how your neuroplasticity theory = 50/50 to genes/nature. Again I argued that your genes predict your enviorment.
>How old are you?
I am an old soul.

>>18981761
This.

>>18981778
>I have
I gave*
>>18981775
You come off as being Americanized to me. You don't really understand nuance and are incapable of engaging in impartial debate.

>>18981778
>Coding is not easy, and it is a useful skill to know in this day and age.
Exactly. It's a skill. It is worthless. Should we teach our children how to weave perfect birch bark sandals for 8 years?
Ability to think and control your own self is of highest importance.

>>18981775
>Now that's an entirely different basket of figs mate.
>Go kill yourself mutt.

>some north german circa 1836

>>18981784
>I am an old soul.
You sound like an Americanized 20 year old European with ADHD.
>Idk how your neuroplasticity theory = 50/50 to genes/nature. Again I argued that your genes predict your enviorment.
You can't even follow the trail of my argumentation, hence why you didn't ask for evidence.
Nature/nurture is 50/50. I am being impartial here and don't give a shit about pushing any agenda.

>>18981785
It's quite Stirnerian in that it is simply true. I have nothing in common with a people I have no family relation with. And all "genetic" ties are completely arbitrary.

>>18981789
Ok. Why are you getting bogged down in my example?
>Ability to think and control your own self is of highest importance.
Right, and experience dependent neuroplasticity ties into this. As I've said, even frequent mindfulness-based meditation has been shown to have positive neuroplastic effects. It increases grey matter density and gyrification in specific areas of the brain associated with increased emotional and attentional regulation. Longitudinal studies using MRIs have shown this.

>>18981799
>You sound like an Americanized 20 year old European with ADHD.
Heh, right on the money. Except no ADHD.
No I just gave up arguing 10 posts ago because I have nothing to prove. I am going entirely by FEELING, which is my intuition. My only knowledge of this stuff comes from Ryan Faulk and reading his articles.
I am an artist, I don't care about biology or what you have you. He seems passionate about his work to me so I will support him.
>You can't even follow the trail of my argumentation, hence why you didn't ask for evidence.
No I stopped following it a long time ago. I am simply a genetic determinist, that is the bottom line. My convinction to this stance is a religious one. Suppose neuroplasticity results in "wasted potential" there are still genetic features that determines how a person would continue the rest of their life.

Now go be a good goy and read the talmud like I told you to.

>>18979529
Yes
>pic extremely related, without equal

>>18979537
Yes, that's the point. Civilization is utilizing all of ugly guys' skills by controlling women so that they can also fuck reasonably attractive women. When women have free sexual selection that all goes out the door.

>>18981825
Based set-in-his-ways poster.

>>18981825
>No I stopped following it a long time ago
Because you are a disingenuous, contemptuous idiot worse than the low-class Mexicans and Blacks you despise. You basically wasted my time because you are a disrespectful cur.
>I am simply a genetic determinist, that is the bottom line
And you are 100% wrong, that's the bottom of the line. This is not a matter of personal preferences: Nature/nurture is at most 50/50.
>My convinction to this stance is a religious one.
You are a spiritual Jew. This matter doesn't tie into religion at all. You are incapable of approaching this matter impartially.
>genetic features that determines how a person would continue the rest of their life.
Bullshit. Everything from environment, experience, and more can have an effect on the trajectory of one's life.
>Now go be a good goy and read the talmud like I told you to.
Neck yourself, pseud.

>>18981842
Sounds like something a ghetto nigger would say. Both of you can go kill yourselves.

>>18981862
Relax, kid. You're on an anime forum.

>>18981667
The government thinks there is a white race and they matter a lot more than you lol

>>18981855
>Because you are a disingenuous, contemptuous idiot worse than the low-class Mexicans and Blacks you despise. You basically wasted my time because you are a disrespectful cur.
I don't work.
>And you are 100% wrong, that's the bottom of the line. This is not a matter of personal preferences: Nature/nurture is at most 50/50.
I disagree
>You are a spiritual Jew. This matter doesn't tie into religion at all. You are incapable of approaching this matter impartially.
I am fond of Jewish people so I take this as a compliment.
>Bullshit. Everything from environment, experience, and more can have an effect on the trajectory of one's life.
And your genes determine how you respond to your enviorment.
>Neck yourself, pseud.
I am not psued, I just told you that I don't understand/make independent research of my own regarding biological concepts like fst distance or whatever. I don't care about this stuff, it doesn't matter to me. If I cared about it I would do research on my own instead of relying on Ryan Faulk who I trust in data interpretation. He seems reliable to me.

So yes enviorment effects you, quite literally. But your genes are a response to it. I'm not going to dictate national policy and give IQ tests to every black individual coming from somali land so that I can seperate the "good individuals" from the bad.

Even if you were to let in only black geniuses it's still going to be counterproductive because of this think called regression two the mean. Black IQ is as much as 2 standard deviates below the white one and people with 100 IQ already seem retarded to me.

Mind you I don't care too much for "IQ", IQ is equivalent to computing power, or "speed", but the average is too slow to me. I care more for character anyway, and I don't like the character of blacks.

So yeah my argument is completely "irrational", but I trust my instinct.

>>18981862
Trust your instinct

>>18981901
>I am fond of Jewish people so I take this as a compliment
Yeah, kys, Shlomo. You're not fooling anyone.
>Trust your instinct
My instinct tells me you're a Jew in spirit, and I shouldn't bother debating you further because you can't be assed to understand my arguments. Why should I give you my time when you don't for me?
Genuinely kys.

>>18981909

>>18981893
As Christopher Jon Bjerknes make clear, Jews support BOTH SJW liberalism and white supremacy. I have caught two Jews before pretending to be white supremacists. I don't know how Jews would benefit by causing such havoc in USA and Europe, but they have some kind of nefarious plan that involves playing both unrealistic extreme sides against each other.

>>18981925
It's because they're individuals dude. Ugh

>>18981925
It's all about controlled opposition. In the game of society, it would be a massive tactical error to let any of the pieces control themselves.

>>18981930
I've never denied the reality of trends, you facetious faggot. If you're not going to bother reading and comprehending my argumentation, then this was a waste of my time from the start. It is a very, very niggerish thing to do. You don't care about the truth. You only care about adopting a narrative that can serve your ego. Nature/nurture is in all likelihood 50/50. I won this debate. Now fuck off.

>>18981951
Okay socrates

>>18979529
Civilisation is the unnatural but inevitable extreme of the human need for socialisation, safety, and a sense of community.

Also, this threads needs to be burned, along with everyone (myself included) in it.
>>18980360
Correct.

>>18981746
You European "I'm not white I'm German" types are such a joke. You all know exactly what white means, you all tiptoe around nonwhites just like Americans do.

wtf is this thread