/lit/ - Literature

King

Fuck E William Brown
Fuck No Releases
Fuck No Publishing
Fuck Lies
Fuck Excuses
Fuck Pay Walls
Fuck pay Piggies
Fuck Enablers
Fuck Incommunicado
Fuck Delays
Fuck Push Backs
Fuck Saying you are full time writter but you ain't doing shit
FUCK YOU

>>18965041
did little girl w/ backpack just defeat that giant robot?

First for Fang Yuan

>black and/or female writer
I do not read that book.

I want to die.

>>18965151
>All the negative goodread reviews are by women
I will read that book

>>18965155
me too senpai

>>18965164
The more "people" screech about racism and sexism, the better the book is.

>>18965155
Not my problem.

>>18965054
>Fuck No Releases
Loads of stuff worth reading came out last month. Just checked and I counted 12 books I'm gonna read or have read and I don't even like the biggest name authors who had new books out

>>18965231
Oh never mind you're just talking about that one shitty author for some reason

>>18965231
Were any of those 12 something from E William Brown? No? Then Fuck E William Brown.

>is better than bakker.

>>18965252
Who is that?

>>18965252
>is an actual hack who spent 30 years writing 2 books
And people are surprised that the next one is NEVER EVER, lmao.

I am looking for a dark fantasy series with intense battles, pitch black lore, highly intellectual themes that dovetail into real world philosophy, poignant character psychology, and just a hint of Lovecraftian horror. Is there anything out there like this?

>>18965313
>Is there anything out there like this?
Yes.

>>18965328
>How is Wheel of Time in any way a copycat?

>>18965046
Based.

>>18965313
No, but read Between Two Fires. Dark fantasy horror.

>>18965313
Berserk is the only series that has what you’re looking for.

>>18965453
Berserk isn't /lit/. This >>18965414 is basically Berserk's conviction arc in /lit/ form.

Getting some custom canvas prints done and I want a few BotNS ones. Gonna post some by this one artist, what ones should I get?

>>18965479

>>18965479
>>18965486
Are you really that indecisive that you can’t pick by yourself?

>>18965486

>>18965487
Yes

How is this book so kino? Was it ghost written by a man or is the author a tranny?

This was a decent read, probably put it over the new anthony ryan which was the last thing I read.
Few notes:

1. it's called the coward but he's not even a coward, just a guy with PTSD. Would've happily read a book about a coward so being mislead didn't help the book for me.
2. Having it canon that your start of chapter poetry is shit is a great way to get around putting much effort into writing it lol.
3. Really well done sequel hooks, tells a complete story but I'd happily read the sequel right now if it already existed.

I asked near the end of the previous thread if anyone had recommendations for fantasy that captured a more authentic mediavel feeling, rather than homebrew DnD setting.

Anon recommended The Chalion series, anyone know some more?

>>18965738
you do realise that you're just asking for historical fiction right

What's your favorite era of Conan's life, his early life as a thief and wandering sword for hire, his come up as a mercenary/pirate captain where he learns to lead men, or his time as an usurper king and conqueror?

>>18965754
Not at all. I am just asking for fantasy fiction that is more historically informed. For example if there are Knights let them be rooted more in historical precedent than some Hollywood image, or if there is magic let it be rooted in, yet not necessarily a 1:1 reproduction of, Medieval esotericism rather than le epic hard magic may mays.

wot trailer drops tomorrow its going to be shit

>>>/tv/155732306
>>>/tv/155732306
>>>/tv/155732306

>>18965041
Listened to ready player 2 on audio books.
Absolute hot garbage. Book shoe horns in all the woke leftist memes.
>trannies.
>White men bad.
>lionizing women.
>obsession around race in a virtual reality where you can be a lizard.
The book is just one long woke reference to 80's pop culture when it really didn't have a need for it 85% of the time. 0/10 avoid. Do not let your children or young siblings read.

>>18965041
I have just finished reading The Eyes of the Overworld and Cugel's Saga and I am in love with these books. They are my first foray into Jack Vance and I love the style and tone he puts into these works.

Are there any more similar to this? I am aware of A Quest for Simbilis, Nifft the Lean, and back to Vance with The Dying Earth and Rhialto the Marvellous. They are all on my reading list, but is there more to add?

I don't have the proper words to describe them, but they are a sort of light-hearted take on a grim world. I really enjoy these books which I have not felt in a while.

>>18965937
>but is there more to add?
Schuyler Hernstrom is my favorite short fiction writer and he's heavily influenced by Vance. You should really read everything he's written since he's great, but specifically check out the story Images of the Goddess.

what was his problem?

>>18966054
Do they have that sort of picaresque whimsy and unique sense of humor specifically from the Cugel stories?

>>18965738
Bakker

>>18966105
Yes.

>>18965937
Rhialto is comfy but it feels like it could have been written by Glen Cook. I'm half way through the Lyonesse books rn and those are very good. Not Eyes of the Overworld good, but better than the extended Cugel saga.

let's play a game
fantasy books you recommend definetly NOT waste one's time reading?

>>18966209
Read fantasy books that are one single book and not a drawn out series of novels. It doesnt take more than a weekend with a couple of sessions of reading for a few hours

>>18966252
disappointing

>>18966293
It's funny, I remember reading that review after I read the book. I bought it for a dollar at this used book store I go to all the time who's owner always has a great selection of old fantasy books in this box in the basement section of the store. It's a terrible review. Yes, its nothing like Conan the Barbarian, nor was it advertising itself to be like that or trying to be like that. The kingdom the story is based in is actually fairly well defined, it's based on the Greco-Bactrian in the hellenistic world, a merging of western civilization with Buddhism where the culture revolves around the concept of a person's Li, what would roughly translate as fate. Every person is understood to be born into a strictly ordained spiritual fate that they cant escape from. The kingdom is built upon a rule that the King cannot have more than one son due to the fact that their early history was defined by a brutal war of succession between brothers. The protagonist, who is in fact a very sensitive and emotional musician was born with a twin brother and is being forced into a ritual duel to the death against his brother who he loves because of the traditions of his culture, and he attempts to escape his Li by disguising himself as a peasant and seeking a solution in the outside of his palace

>>18966353
still sounds pretty gay bro

>>18966374
It's a pretty sad story, he ends up being drugged by his father the King and forced into the death duel against his twin and killing him in the end, and the his father kills himself and he becomes the king, but entirely disillusioned. It's very much a fantasy story, but it has a much different emotional tone to it.

>>18965479
I like them all but I would go with the lake of birds

>>18965486
Or this one

>>18965041
today basically marks 1 year of writing non stop and i realized how much my high school education on literature and writing fucked me up.

my teachers really forced in how symbolism and themes were important in a story and how there needs to be MEANING or some moral message; even when i thought it was pure bull shit as a student. i got punished and treated like an idiot until i complied and wrote paragraphs of literal bullshit by over-analyzing every detail like they wanted. it made me hate writing and books.

i liked supposedly garbage stories like game of thrones and attack on titan (up until their rushed endings) and those are what sold the most around the world too.

so i'm trying to unfuck myself and trying to enjoy writing for a webcomic i'm trying to create, but so many articles i found early on kept pushing the same bullshit about how theme is so important, when it's looking more and more like it's an afterthought after the story is completed and looked on as a whole and entirely subjective. i felt like i wasted an entire year learning that i should have just written what i thought was fun, interesting and coherent than trying to wrap my head around some stupid message/moral i knew i'm incapable of delivering because i'm not some life guru or philosopher. i don't believe ANYONE is in a position to tell someone how to live their fucking lives and what decisions they make except maybe their parents.

tl;dr, how do i just relax and write what is fun instead of worrying about the theme meme?

>>18966392
I was drunk when I wrote this, I meant to say the protagonist is drugged by his father in order to perform the death duel with his twin and then his father kills himself out of guilt and the protagonist becomes king but with a great deal of guilt but has to deal with it

I have read my 30 books for the year - my autism is satiated.

I have just finished Piranesi. It was original.

I have read this year everything Bakker and majority of Hobbs Elderling series. Bakker is uncontested in this field. Hobb is much more emotionally evocative. Bakker is food for the mind and Hobb is food for the heart.

What should I read next? Contenders are:
>Riryia Revelations
>Wizard/Knight Wolfe
>The Vagrant
>Lord Fouls Bane

>>18965758
Early conan is best CONAN
>brb reading Solomon Kane.

>>18966499
personally i didnt like lord fouls bane very much, main character is unlikeable and the rest of the characters are 2d noble good characters who act like npcs from videogames

>>18965459
>Berserk isn't /lit/
Cringe opinion bro
>>18965313
Abercrombie has all those things, as do the first 2 trilogies by Mark Lawrence I assume you've already read Bakker

>>18965758
I like them all, read in that order, as they should be.

>>18966506
BASED

>>18966617
>Cringe opinion bro
Not an opinion. /a/ is for mongo and gaynime.

>>18965313
I second Berserk. It's what you're looking for.

>>18966641
Berserk is literature though. Having pictures that go along with it doesn't diminish that.

>>18966636
What Solomon Kane is that supposed to be? I'm guessing much after REHs death ala Red Sonja because all the Solomon Kane I read were just adventure stories

>>18966736
Let's start discussing moege VNs as well while we're at it. Definitely what /lit/ is for. No need to use dedicated boards that were specifically made for them, just do it here.

>>18966821
Wings in the Night, bro.

>>18966843
I'm down with it, I've been meaning to discuss full metal daemon muramasa

>>18966736
>/lit/ is for the discussion of literature, specifically books (fiction & non-fiction), short stories, poetry, creative writing, etc.

>>18965041
>Book Club
now: inhibitor phase https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/56072402-inhibitor-phase

sep 15: wisdom of crowds https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/40701780-the-wisdom-of-crowds
sep 26: the scar https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/68497.The_Scar

>>18964803
>>18964811
That may be so. I believe they're that expensive due to my country's publisher being greedy. Not surprised they went bankrupt a couple of years ago.

>Berserk is literature though. Having pictures that go along with it doesn't diminish that.

>>18966209
Fucking Dark Tower. I wish I could bleach the memories of reading past the first novel out of my head.

>>18966736
Manga is a visual medium you retarded potato. Literature pertains to mind eye
>hurr they both use werds
By this metric movies with subtitles are literature, and so are videogames, cigarette labels, and 4chan posts

>>18967196
Read The Jerusalem Man trilogy by Gemmell. It's like he read The Dark Tower, thought it was shit, and decided to write his own superior version.

>>18966736

Stfu and let people read their manga, you purist nerd.

>>18966843
>>18967206

Much worse is already discussed here. At least berserk has literary value

>>18966957
Yes, and that applies to berserk wether you like it or not

>>18967302
How much "literary value" Berserk has is irrelevant. This board is not for manga discussion.
>>>/a/

Literature>>>Manga

Simple as

>>18965313
Malazan

>>18967525
>Malazan
>Philosophy

Pick one.

fuck you all /sffg/

>>18967771
y-you too

What are some good books for filthy waifufags?

>>18967196
Book 2 is PEAK shlock. Inject that shit directly into my brain

>>18967928
I quite enjoyed Codex Alera for waifu faggotry. It takes a while to go there and never gets really romantic but Kitai is pretty great in my opinion. Your picture also makes the series in general doubly relevant.

>>18967771
yeah… we know.

>>18967928
Another one I enjoy for waifus and humor that is relevant to your image might be the Thraxas series.

>>18965479
>>18965486
>>18965496
>>18965500

these are great.

>>18966098
of all kellhus’ children, he was closest to his father in terms of intellect. he was so close to grasping the Absolute… and thus he went insane. he basically willed himself to be as depraved as an inchie just to spite the fractured World.

>>18968031
No...Allhe wanted was to heap damnation on himself

>>18968034
yeah. like an inchie.

>>18967771
NANI!?

bakkerfags are just ascended sanderfags
no I will not elaborate

>>18968015
>Roman legions with pokemon
>>18968030
>Fat alcoholic private eye in DnD world
Yeah, these seem like a good break from everything I've been reading lately, thanks anon

Is it any good? The basic premise looks neat.

>>18967419
Manga>>>>>>>>>fantasy literature

>Manga>>>>>>>>>fantasy literature

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Fus4Xb_TLg
The people making this know that Rand is the main character, right?

>>18968948
It looks great fuck you

>>18968975
Those Bezos bucks come through yet?

>>18968948
It looks fucking amazing, as much as it pains me to say. The books were absolute dogshit, and there's a chance that this will be better than those.

The Witcher TV Series looks like shit compared to this.

Imagine if they did this with the Second Apocalypse
Alas, I've lost all hope. Release the No-God at least so that I can die in peace, Richard

>>18965054
>Fuck E William Brown
>Fuck No Releases
>Fuck No Publishing
>Fuck Lies
>Fuck Excuses
>Fuck Pay Walls
>Fuck pay Piggies
>Fuck Enablers
>Fuck Incommunicado
>Fuck Delays
>Fuck Push Backs
>Fuck Saying you are full time writter but you ain't doing shit
>FUCK YOU

>>18969004
Hello, tourist.

>fantasy

>>18969007
>Hello, tourist.

>>18968151
Out of the frying pan and into the fire.

>>18969003
Sure, it looks better than the Witcher but that's not a high bar. Everything still looks cheap as hell.

>>18968948
>“The Wheel of Time turns, and Ages come and pass, leaving memories that become legend. Legend fades to myth, and even myth is long forgotten when the Age that gave it birth comes again.”

Why change this? What's the point, when the original is so much better?

>>18969038
Probably too similar to the opening of another epic fantasy series.

>>18969048
At least he knew from who to copy. I'll give him that.

>>18969035
It looks like amazon spent big bucks on it. The photography/scenery looks incredible.

>>18968948
Looks really cheap. Ugly lighting, wonky perspective on the digital matte, directorial style more tv than cinematic.

Reminds me of that shannara chronicles show they made half a decade ago.

>>18968948
>When the only good cast in there is Moiraine

>>18969003
>Imagine if they did this with the Second Apocalypse
How can you even consider anyone in the current year w*st picking up adaptation of story about entire swarthy civilization getting memed by a single person of nordic appearance, where nearly every female character of note also gets raped? Even if someone would adapt it, it will be massacred beyond any recognition.
Besides, it's too over the top with all its moments about teleporting behind you, stopping cavalry charges solo, nuclear explosions, etc. It has to be an anime.

>>18969103
Game of Thrones was a world wide success and it had plenty of misogyny in it.

everyone's favorite book from /lit/

>>18969135
yes

>>18969135
Yup

>>18969149
>>18969165
Didn't ask.

>>18969184
>Didn't ask.

>>Didn't ask.

>>18969135
this can be considered Fantasy and Dystopia, its very well written

>everyone's favorite book from /lit/

>this can be considered Fantasy and Dystopia, its very well written

>>this can be considered Fantasy and Dystopia, its very well written

>>18969135
some anon posted parts of the book and its SUBLIME

>some anon posted parts of the book and its SUBLIME

>>18969135
imagine the sissyboi grinding his little peeny on that muscular black hand then squirting on dat black skin

I wish I could read books like you guys

>>18969184
fuck off idiot
>>18969188
based he is an asshole

>I wish I could read books like you guys

>>>18969184
>fuck off idiot
>>>18969188
>based he is an asshole

>>18969135
imagine how soft the whiteboi is against that hard muscular man

>>18969280
Does it trouble you?

>fuck off idiot

>>18966918

>>18969285
>>18969305
Based.

I put trolling outside of /b/

>>18969289
and fuck you

>I put trolling outside of /b/

The absolute state of /sffg/

>>18968948
I'm glad they kept Rand and Mat white since those are the only characters anyone gives a shit about. looks okay-ish i guess. not as bad as I thought it would look

>>18968948
Didn't read it, what is damage report on how many characters they have negrified?

>>18968948
looks cheap and tacky. fitting adaptation of jordan's "work," i guess.

>>18968948
also, keep in mind this is the level of "quality" (as well as forced "diversity") we can expect from a certain other forthcoming amazon original series.

captcha: VGAAY

dunebros...

Guys answer me honestly, is pic related worth reading? I have had first 3 books rotting on my shelf for 2 years after getting them as a gift, and so far after reading these threads it seems opinions vary on its merits.

My personal tastes is that Malazan is my favorite series, although I haven’t yet read Bakkar yet so that could change.

>>18969887
Have you tried reading them and forming your own opinion on the series?

>>18969887
IF this isn't just another shit-post:

The Wheel of Time is fucking garbage, dude. Anyone here who read it can attest to that. The first book looks like a standalone novel ripped from the Lord of the Rings. Books 2 and 3 are the best in the series. You will soon find yourself trapped in a never ending slog-fest of main characters walking from place to place until something significant happens at the end of each book. It's just boring.

I liked Malazan too, but Bakker is superior in every single way.. Read and find out. It ruined fantasy for me.

>>18969887
The wheel of time is among the most unoriginal series I've ever read. It's an insult to anyone's intelligence.

>>18969898
The point is I don’t want to waste my time reading a bad series. I’ve done that enough already

>>18969902
Thanks for the real reply. That was my take to after the first 20 pages, but I wanted a real opinion as well.

>Erikson has stated that apart from examining the "human condition", all his literary work share "compassion" as a theme, or main driving force.[8] Furthermore, when envisioning the Malazan world, both Esslemont and he agreed to create societies and cultures that never knew sexism and gender based hierarchies of power.[9]
You guys sure Malazan is good? I know Bakker is a huge libtard too, but at least he had enough integrity to portray his fantasy world without his libcuck fantasies

>>18969929
>Bakker is a huge libtard too, but at least he had enough integrity to portray his fantasy world without his libcuck fantasies
>One of the Pov is a cuckold.
Sure, anon.

>>18969929
The gender equality thing is at least not shoved down your throat like it is everywhere else. It’s just kinda of there.

Compassion is more forced, but it happens later on and there is plenty of “non-compassion” in the series as well to juxtapose the hamfisted nature of compassion message.

>>18967196
I read through it over several years from middle school to high school, I remember loving it and it how it opened my mind to what fantasy could be outside of Tolkien, and how it cool it was that the horror writer guy came up with all this imaginative stuff. Don't know if it would still captivate me if I reread it today, but it still put me on the path (beam, if you will) towards appreciating genre fiction as a whole

>>18969937
>Something exists
>Therefore I support it

Imagine being this fucking retarded.

>>18969937
So what, situations where man's bitch gets stolen never happen? If there is anything to gauge representation of it by author, it will be character's reaction to this thing happening. Animosity is correct reaction. You could accuse Bakker of being libtard who can't contain himself it it was acceptance or some shit like that.

>>18969937
Not my problem cuckold characters live rent free in your head. For every cuck, there's a bull. What is your girlfriend doing right now?

>>18970021
>For every cuck, there's a bull

anyone have recs for something with a decent/good romance subplot?

>>18970052
>a decent/good romance subplot?
no this a bakkerchad general, we recommend HARD gay romance

>>18969665
Egwene and Perrin so far. The Aes Sedai leader too I think. I’m sure there’s more

>>18970061
I mean, as long as its good.

>>18970010
>If there is anything to gauge representation of it by author, it will be character's reaction to this thing happening.
One of the POV character is a cuck and watches his love sell her body.

>>18970075
hard anal sex is always good, read prince of nothing

>no this a bakkerchad general, we recommend HARD gay romance

>>18970079
>Things that never happened.

>>18970086
He got filtered and never read the books. We all know that by now.

>>18970080
Not into child sex, though.

>hard anal sex is always good, read prince of nothing

>>18970100
get filtered by the nietzchean bakker, only for intellectual philosphers

>>18970118
No.

>>18970118
good looking people read Sanderson, fedora tippers read bakker

>>18970136
>good looking people read Sanderson, fedora tippers read bakker

>>18970146
hot

The problem with this general is that it's full of fucking retards.

>>18970146
How can Sandersoys even compete, bros?

>>18970154
Didn't ask.

>>18970155
Femboy body, he will get DOMINATED by the big Sanderson

>>18970154
Blame the bakkerfags. The last few threads we had decent threads that were able to discuss books.

>>18970164
Pretty sure Sando is shorter than him.

Bakker = Twink
Sanderson = Bear

>Blame the bakkerfags. The last few threads we had decent threads that were able to discuss books.

>>18970168
bears are shorter, twinks are tall and skinny

>>18965137
Martial Peak is better desu. Also I need people to talk about cultivation novels with.

>>18970176
Who is the bottom and the top?

Did someone put a bot into the chat that posts SBean Wojacks?

>>18970191
>cultivation novels
Been reading western cultivations, though, I don't know how that's a fair comparison to chinese cultivations.

>>18970188
You would know.

>>18970192
Sanderson is the obvious top, if he is a bottom he will be a power bottom, he will break Bakker in half working up that twink dick of his

>>18970167
I see no one discussing Bakker seriously here. If I false flag my admiration for another author just to be annoying, who will you blame then?

>>18970197
yeah, as a hard gay I know who will get dominated by who, Sanderson will RUIN Bakker in gay sex

>Did someone put a bot into the chat that posts SBean Wojacks?

>>18970211
Are you really gay? I see no gay porn in this thread.

>>18970241
not real gay, that is SJW, I'm HARD Gay, its the based philosophical version found in prince of nothing

/sffg/ in a nutshell

>>18970249
I see no evidence of that.

>>18970258
Filtered by Bakker I see.

>>18970252
femboy Bakker looks hot in red

>>18970267
Non sequitur.

>>18970079
Is that depicted as something virtuous and Right Thing To Do™? No, he depicted completely pathetic living life like this, despite not really having any other potion because of circumstances. At least he learned and became based in second part.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Fus4Xb_TLg

Looks pretty good, ngl.

>>18970288
OMG LOL

Is that Kelsier?

>>18970288
number one victory royal for Sanderson

>>18970288
Why will none of these series ever be as popular as Game of Thrones?

>>18970295
I think so, he has blonde hair

>>18970295
That's his target audience.

>>18970304
Not enough sc*t, GoT has sc*t so its popular

Bakker targets Hard Gays that love Hardcore rape and Sc*t

>>18970312
Why do you have to derail every single thread with scatology? Just be honest for once, no one can distinguish you from the next/previous post.

>>18970320
its the truth, Sc*t enjoyers are part of the market and they like consuming sc*t literature like GoT

>>18970337
What's not that type of literature in the context of /sffg/, then?

>>18970343
there is a vast library of sffg books that doesn't have poop in them, its better to not know to increase the shock value of sc*t as it comes unexpected

>>18970360
>there is a vast library of sffg books that doesn't have poop in them
>that doesn't

>>18970366
Non sequitur.

>>18968948
weaves look boring and literally gay
always imagined them as some intricate crazy pattern shit instead of just gray smoke

>>18970167
>>18970207
People who shit up these threads read neither Bakker nor Sanderson otherwise they'd be actually discussing their works. What happens in sffg is a typical "4chan general" effect that could be seen in nearly every general on every board, in which a loud minority of extremely vocal retards regurgitate the same stale memes and derail every attempt at discussion because they seen general threads as a permanent platform to host their mental illness. They're like skin-spies, only being able to pretend to post on-topic while getting a chubby each time the thread goes to shit. The anonymous nature of 4chan is in many ways incompatible with the concept of a general, without at least some form of identification, like trips.

>>18970288
There's literally one white guy in the entire trailer and its a C-tier actor from Game of Thrones. Are the books like this too?

>>18965041
i'm looking for a scifi novel about a galactic society of aliens with good worldbuilding, especially on the society part.
Like, how the aliens all live with eachother and their radically different psychologies, needs and everything else

>>18970402
>There's literally one white guy in the entire trailer

>>18970404

>>18970393
>What happens in sffg is a typical "4chan general" effect that could be seen in nearly every general on every board, in which a loud minority of extremely vocal retards regurgitate the same stale memes and derail every attempt at discussion because they seen general threads as a permanent platform to host their mental illness.
This, precisely. I doubt most of the spamming trolls read books at all. They have simply found an outlet for their autism and attention-seeking OCD.

>>18970404
Fire Upon the Deep
Ender's Game sequels
Niven's Known Space

>>18970393
You're right about the retarded spamming being endemic to every general on this site. On a lark I popped by some other boards and looked at their generals. Same phenomenon is widespread: anonymous trolls with nothing better to do with their lives shitting up threads and attempting to piss off serious posters/aficionados for (You)s. It's a problem inherent in the anonymous nature of this site, though we seem to have a particularly bad case of it here in /sffg/.

>>18970231
Okay. Now I think someone made a filter and you are just dropping pics in and memeing

>>18970432
There is literally zero moderation here.

Bakker

I loved Conan because he has big muscles and he is hot and acts like a brute and it makes my pp tingle

>>18970541
Based.

>>18970416
oh god i dread having to look up that name or mention it to people unaware of the novel

>>18970420
yeah, i figured niven was gonna pop up. Fire upon the deep tho looks like what i was looking for, is it just one book or is it part of a series?

>>18970622
I only read the first novel, there are sequels I decided to skip since they do not expand on what interested me most about Fire, its futuristic about the Zones.

Is the Wheel of Time worth reading? I hear people saying absolutely yes, and absolutely no depending on what forum you go to. I only ask because the retarded trailer for the tv show just dropped.

>>18970780
Have you tried reading them and forming your own opinion on the series?

>>18970784
Of course not. Always felt hesitant to because I read a huge screenshotted diatribe posted here regarding how retarded of a writer Jordan is. But I imagine any series with an international following may be worth its salt. I don't want to dedicate 50 hours only to realise I hate it.

>>18970146
>>18970176
>>18970192
He looks like he gets winded just looking at stairs.

>>18970304
Because they're poorly written.

>>18970146
Why are the top copies of Way of Kings so much thinner than the bottom copy?

>>18967702
>got filtered by GotM

>>18970196
>western cultivation
which ones? In fact list some because I only know a few.

Anytime I want to know what a book is really like and if I should check it out I just look at the 1 star reviews on goodreads, it's funny but you get infinitely more information there than pretty much anywhere else.

>>18971124
same on amazon, 1 star reviews are much more accurate and objective

>>18969902
Redpill me on Bakker. Where do I start?

>>18971179
Start with the Darkness that Comes Before.

>>18970780
The Wheel of Time is fucking garbage, dude. Anyone here who read it can attest to that. The first book looks like a standalone novel ripped from the Lord of the Rings. Books 2 and 3 are the best in the series. You will soon find yourself trapped in a never ending slog-fest of main characters walking from place to place until something significant happens at the end of each book. It's just boring.

>>18969665
Egwene, Nynaeve, Perrin. Min and Lan are asian. Rand looks half negro or some kind of mudblood. Probably means the Aeil will be black.

>>18971187
I love these covers.

>>18971191
I enjoyed listening to the audio books while working out because I could not pay attention for a bit and still understand what was happening.

>>18968948
myrddral doesnt look
rest looks fine

>>18970804
So basically you're just easily influenced by random people on the internet? If I shit post every day about how awesome Jordan is the way Bakkfags do for him, will you read his books?

>>18971236
Do you understand the concept of a review from a community you tepidly trust, you mong?

>>18971240
Sounds like I was right on the money. Okay you should read Jordan because he's fucking based and will red pill you on women and his books are full of BDSM. I will post this in every thread until your soft, malleable brain is putty in my hands.

>>18968948
>Elayne Trakand is a character in The Wheel of Time television series. She has yet to be cast and has not been confirmed for season 1
so they are skipping the whole logain thing?

>>18965084
Are you and idiot?

>>18971284
Hilariously they are skipping Caemlyn and adding in more scenes of Logain that aren't in the book.

>>18968533
Yeah it's good very unique setting, even the concept for the story is pretty unique and worth the read

>>18970052
>anyone have recs for something with a decent/good romance subplot?
Chalion, but especially the sequel Paladin of Souls
Pretty much everything else by Bujold too but especially the Penric books
Swordspoint (gay romance)
Unnatural Magic (human and troll romance)
The Queen of Attolia
The Ladies of Mandrigyn
Imager has them but it's more "two competent people decide they like each other" than anything. Does make a change from other modern fantasy which is either sexless or 5 povs with one character who has a romance tho.
Imperials by Snodgrass (probably the most complex relationship here even if it is very romance above all else at one point)
If you want trashy fun Kill the Queen was surprisingly enjoyable.
Not really a romance but the one in Stainless Steel rat is done amusingly, iirc it's the first book too. Might find that amusing

>>18970883
Not them but you should read Soulhome if you haven't already, it's the first since Cradle which might be that good.

>>18970404
Pick literally anything by Julie Czerneda, they were a biologist so this is really their pet subject. Every series is good but I adore Web Shifters even if it's probably the least concept based out of any of her works.

>>18971317
Also outside of those 4 posts I just answered I think I read 3 different people asking "should I read wheel of time" in this one thread lol
Scroll up a bit idiots

>>18971297
>cut he hot blonde girl
Not even surprised. But she's such a shit character I'm not disappointed either.

>>18969887
WoT is rather traditional, one level of subversion above Tolkien, without much economy of storytelling (one of the MCs never integrates with the rest of the story and could easily have been cut to shave off thousands of the worst pages). It does have its juiciness, and some incredible moments of cashing in on build-ups, but that's largely from how long it is.

>>18971332
She comes in later. I don't know why they made this decision but I'm not going to figure it out because the show looks trash.

>>18971361
Matt is Odyn but could have probably had a decent amount of his story shaved off. Half of it is showing off his deal and the other half is him dealing with meeting the SC girl so the Dragon can eventually make a deal. Perrin is the only one who goes back home and his story isn't bad.

>>18971240
Don't believe >>18971263

>WoT is rather traditional, one level of subversion above Tolkien, without much economy of storytelling (one of the MCs never integrates with the rest of the story and could easily have been cut to shave off thousands of the worst pages). It does have its juiciness, and some incredible moments of cashing in on build-ups, but that's largely from how long it is.

>Rand looks half negro or some kind of mudblood.

>>18971456
This but unironically.

>>18971611
Didn't ask.

>>18971651
But you did ask for a cock up your butt because you're gay.
BOOM. Head shot.
SWISH. Nothing but net.
>360s outta here

>average Bakker fan when no god and black seed

>>18971651
Meds, now.

Based.

>>18965937
All his dying earth stuff, the demon princes books, emphyrio, the planet of adventure books, lyonesse. A lot of his short stories in general.
Some of his later scifi is hit and miss imo.

Are there any authors who are known for writing more realistic fantasy?

>>18972322
Realistic in what sense?

>>18972322
I would heartily recommend the works of Brandon Sanderson who has helped modernize and popularize the concept of "hard magic", which is basically the idea that magic needs rules to make sense just as there are rules for science. Fantasy can largely be divided in to before and after Sanderson, a divide which is synonymous with Unrealistic and Realistic fantasy.

>>18972356
>which is basically the idea that magic needs rules to make sense just as there are rules for science.
I just vomited out of my ass after reading this.

>>18969665
There is literally no character up until the last few books that could even be described as dark.

>>18969929
Malazan isn't particularly good, no.
I read it well before it was getting memed and it has huge problems with skipping around with tons of different character viewpoints, most of which add nothing or only serve to annoy you.
Incidentally only a few of them are even memorable in a positive sense, several in a wholly negative one.
If you've played D&D before the new troon cliques started invading you'd recognize a ton of it is just Erikson sperging on about his personal magic systems and characters who ascended to demigodhood too.

>>18972356

>>18972335
I don’t even know how to elaborate on what I mean to be honest with you. It’s like if high fantasy is filled with monsters and elves and magic and all that and historical fiction is straight up realism with none of that, I’m looking for fantasy that leans toward the latter rather than the former.

>>18972356
What about no magic? Fantasy doesn’t need magic to be fantasy does it?

>>18972356
Sanderson is for fags and faghags who think YA is too highbrow in it's use of language.

>>18969328
Based. He gone

>>18972433
>It’s like if high fantasy is filled with monsters and elves and magic and all that and historical fiction is straight up realism with none of that, I’m looking for fantasy that leans toward the latter rather than the former.
Check out The Warlord Trilogy by Bernard Cornwell. Might not be exactly what you're wanting, but it reads like a historical fantasy series without anything overtly fantastical in it. Like it has Merlin and other similar characters and they do "magic," but the author leaves it up to the reader to decide if it was actually Magic or just incredible coincidences.

>>18966843
Berserk has literary merit. VNs don't. Cope

Is 4chan shitting itself for anyone else?

>>18969665
>>18971197
Is wrong. Nynaeve and Perrin are nogs. As are Siuan and half of emmonds field and the white tower. They also made my boy Logaine a pajeet. For that reason alone I will not watch this trash

>>18965937
Rhialto was my personal fav. I would suggest saving it for last. Zelazny sometimes captures that dry Vancian tone very well
>Dilvish the Damned
>The Changing Land
>Madwand
>Changeling
>The Chronicles of Amber
>Jack of Shadows

And Mark Lawrence basically teams Cugel up with Conan and sends them on a quest in his Red Queens War trilogy. He claims to have been inspired by Flashman, but I know Cugel when I see him.

There's also a Vance memorial story collection set in the dying Earth. Some of the stories are trash, a couple you could have told me were written by Vance and I would have believed you

>>18972484
Bernard Cromwell is on my list actually. I saw The Last Kingdom and got interested. That’s a perfect example of the sort of thing I’m looking for though. It doesn’t necessarily have to be medieval either.

>>18972624
Last of the Amazons by Steven Pressfield is another book you might dig then.

>>18972546
Logain is played by a spanish actor. They just make him look like a dishevelled hobo in trailer.

>>18972713
Okay, so Arab rather than Poo

>>18969630
Why are they like that

>>18971295
Well, did she?

>>18965164
“Hell House” by Richard Matheson is this way and it’s almost 100% kino

>>18972956
Are you retarded?

>>18972949
Maybe if you read the thread, you'll find the answer already.

>>18969902
i feel the same way about bakker although i still get annoyed how every single thread is just bakkerspam these days. To be fair i was recced him here 5+years ago and probably never would have found him otherwise so i cant complain, still the spam is annoying.

>>18973286
Didn't ask.

>>18972433
How are you defining magic? If you want ye olde knights without wizards then you want historical fiction. If you want the fantastical that isn't just wizards and dragons you should be looking into speculative fiction

>>18973372
What about low fantasy?

>>18973385
medieval stuff, just made up versions of real history/kingdoms etc

>>18973442
That really doesn't answer the question, anon.

>>18973457
Hard to define low-fantasy, same with Magic Realism. It’s one of those gray areas in genre.

>>18973457
low fantasy is literally just an imaginary world without anything supernatural

>>18973478
>Low fantasy places less emphasis on elements typically associated with fantasy and sets a narrative in realistic environments with elements of the fantastical. Sometimes, there are just enough fantastical elements to make ambiguous the boundary between what is real and what is purely psychological or supernatural.

All fiction is fantasy.

>>18973566
My sex life is fantasy.

>>18973566
What about science fiction?

>>18968948
still looks better than the books.

>>18973602
That isn’t a high bar to clear.

>>18973478
>>18973499
low fantasy just means it's set on earth instead of a made up world dipshits

>>18973628
Ah, you’re a retard.

>>18973628
>low fantasy just means it's set on earth instead of a made up world dipshits
That's wrong and you know its wrong. A song of ice and fire is low fantasy.

>>18973645
it's not even low fantasy by your own incorrect definition of the term lol

>>18973670
A song of ice and fire is clearly low fantasy. Magic started out being almost non existent and hasn't relaly reached a point where its a strong force throughout the world. There have been fantasy elements such as dragons, warging, the manticore, and others, but war is basically still fought by the numbers.

>>18973681
It's a book with dragons, zombies, ice zombies and a load of other shit, there's nothing "low" about that lmao

>>18973628
>Story set on earth with magic and werewolves and stuff is low fantasy

>>18973692
yes

>>18973696
No

>>18973689
Dragons are extinct and are only revived so Daenerys won’t die and the zombies don’t play a factor until later books.

>>18973710
>Dragons are extinct and are only revived so Daenerys
It is kinda bullshit that Daenerys keep on living despite fucking up, while other characters keep dying.

>>18973710
But both do play a significant factor
you could argue the books go from low to no magic at first to more typical fantasy magic by the most recent ones but you can't really claim they're low magic throughout
in fact the re-emergence of magic is a pretty big theme of them

>>18973742
>in fact the re-emergence of magic is a pretty big theme of them
The problem is that very little is being focus on it.

how do I, as anon highly intellectual, enjoy Bakker?

My brother really likes the foundation series, dune and red mars. I want to get him books from other authors. Any suggestions please?

>>18973760
Starship trooper.

new thread
>>18973772

>>18969887
if you like malazan you'll probably like it, they're both around the same quality.

>>18970780
its better than sanderson and rothfuss, but not by much. make of that what you will.

>>18971124
absolutely true

>>18971179
bakker has an inverse release chronology. start with

>>18972356
lmao

>>18972433
>>18972322
KJ Parker and Guy Gavriel Kay both use little or no magic in most of their books. Both are very good, with completely different styles.