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>Then came the Students' Association. The League of Virtue was founded. All so fantastic that no human being could grasp it. But I did. Now it is me no one grasps: I am the most German being, I am the German spirit. Question the incomparable magic of my works, compare them with the rest: and you can, for the present, say no differently than that - it is German. But what is this German? It must be something wonderful, mustn't it, for it is humanly finer than all else? - Oh heavens! It should have a soil, this German! I should be able to find my people! What a glorious people it ought to become. But to this people only could I belong.
- Wagner

>Right now I have no room in my life for thinking about the future, because I am convinced that I am the last remnant of the cultural traditions and national characteristics of the Japanese people that have continue since antiquity, an that when I am gone it will be all over. I am the purest essence of this thing called Japan, and that is how I will end.
- Mishima

>> No.18947594
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https://youtu.be/jB4t4-4xHPA

>> No.18947653

>>18947588
Mishima liked to fuck twinks

>> No.18948532

Bump for interest.

>> No.18949065

>>18947594
>>18947653
Not related.

>> No.18949110

>>18947588
mishima never even believed in the national character he tried to embody. all it was to him was a means towards a vague and perverse form of self-actualization, which i'm convinced he never really achieved, even in the end
just another in the long line of academia-poisoned intellectuals vainly larping as populists without the slightest clue what it actually entails

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>>18947588
I don't have anything else to add, besides these two pages I got awhile back here in /lit/.
They are two very intereresting concepts: Volksgeist and Kokutai. They both show the warrior soul of each ethnic group; no wonder they allied during WW2.
(I have a question: does anyone know a good book which talks about Japanese mythology? I find it very interesting, despite not knowing a single bit about it.)

>> No.18949153

>>18949110
This is a misunderstanding, as can be seen by the following quote:

>the scenes of love and death, and the consummate fusion of erotism and the righteous cause and their mutually reinforcing effect as depicted here can be said of to be the first and foremost felicity to which I have aspired my whole life.

It also betrays a lack of knowledge of Eastern Asian identity, wherein as Mishima has put it, acting does not have the Western connotation of falsity but rather these various masks are seen as the only means of truth in the personality. This ties in with his whole obsession with beauty.

>> No.18949311

>>18949153
>acting does not have the Western connotation of falsity
Is this an actual common sentiment amongst asians? Can you recommend any material that expands on the subject?

>> No.18950017

>>18949110
He did believe in it, I think. If you mean to imply that he never achieved this transformation into a soldier of national character and rather approached all of it from the role of the actor or the dramatist, then I agree with that at least.

>> No.18950075

>>18947588
>I am convinced that I am the last remnant of the cultural traditions and national characteristics of the Japanese people

A melodramatic homosexual?

>> No.18950123

>>18947588
Why the fuck is Wagner so smug? He's not among the greatest ones like Bach or Mozart, his noticable works are only operas and he's completely mogged by some of his contemporaries, like Tchaikovsky. What a prick.

>> No.18950231

>>18947588
One guy that had this definite feeling of being the artistic embodiment of his nation was W.B.Yeats. I'm sure if you search his letters and stuff you can find him saying something like this.

>> No.18950302

Mishima was probably the last. Anything after say, Martin Heidegger would render this an absurd thing to say. And in fact, Mishima suggests this himself, even if we find the rest of claim dubious.

>> No.18950490

>>18950123
its from private diary, before german unification 1871 and when nothing had really materialized for him yet or seemed questionable like the munich projects. it's like the auto-suggestion of an endurance athlete towards the end of the race, he's not so brazen in public writings.
e.g. he wrote something to the effect of
>goethe and schiller brought the german spirit without ever calling it as such, their deeds spoke for themselves, while today's peddlers use "german" inflationary to praise all kinds of fake goods.

>> No.18951947

>>18950231
Thanks.

>> No.18952053

>>18950123
>He's not among the greatest ones like Bach or Mozart,
If you know your music history he is.

>> No.18952085
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Morrissey in We'll Let You Know
>We may seem cold
>Or we may even be the most depressing people you've ever known
>At heart, what's left, we sadly know
>That we are the last truly British people you've ever known
>We are the last truly British people you will ever know
>You'll ever, never, want to know

>> No.18952853

>>18952085
Morrisey fans are the worst.