/lit/ - Literature

>>18921602
First for FUCK /LIT/

Bakkerchads how long do I need to sit in one place and pee myself while repeating the same sentence to purge the darkness within me? I want to be an epic rational thinker like my idol, Analsorrydoor Kelly

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>>18921624
the logos is without beginning or end

No writer can match the darkness of the Bakker anal cavity

>>18921602
Anyone read John Ringo? I tried his Paladin of Shadows series and finished Choosers of the Slain (book three) before giving up (for now). The protagomist Mike is a smug Navy SEAL gary-stu rapist, which is one of series charms. It's definately a so-bad-it's-good sort of work, though the glaring plot holes in the third book made my brain hurt.
I was thinking of trying his zombie books. I don't know.

Anyone read John Ringo? I tried his Paladin of Shadows series and finished Choosers of the Slain (book three) before giving up (for now). The protagonist Mike is a smug Navy SEAL gary-stu rapist, which is one of series' charms. It's definately a so-bad-it's-good sort of work, though the glaring plot holes in the third book made my brain hurt.
I was thinking of trying his zombie books. I don't know.

Wanna write a story about torturing, raping and killing Alice with the personas of Dirlewanger and Beria as a protest against escapism.

I recently finished the First book of the Elder Empire series, Of Sea and Shadow. This series is written by Will Wright, the author of Cradle.
I liked it. It had an early hook with a strong nautical setting. The main cast is small enough that each gets a chance to have some personality, even if they don't get much page time. There's a lot of action, but it never really overstays it's welcome, and it never devolves into pages of mindless fight scenes.
One thing that's fairly evident after reading some of the other material by this author is that Will Wright is at his best when he's writing protagonists with very defined goals, something this series definitely has.

As far as world building goes it's definitely not proto-Cradle, though you can see where some of the ideas started. The setting here is Age of Exploration era, with cannons and muskets and all that, but the world is ruled mostly by eldritch horrors. Rather than going the "aaaaah help me niggerman" route, the people in this setting went more along the path of capturing those horrors, dissecting them, and figuring out what makes them tick.
One thing I really liked is that instead of doing multiple PoV's like so many modern Authors do, Will Wright decided to go whole hog and has written the second PoV as a second entire series running concurrently and intersecting with this one. I haven't read any of that series yet, but despite that I didn't feel like I was missing any context for this story, so it's perfectly fine as a stand-alone.

What, you haven't read Reverend Insanity yet?

>>18921925
I did read it, I dropped it when he got to some tower where he controls dogs because it sucks.

King

Rereading the Prince of Nothing trilogy I have once again stopped to admire the first major battle depicted in Book 2 Chapter 6.

>>18922011
fellow Bakker chad, lets crown him as king of /sffg/, all non rape books should be spammed with "read Bakker instead"

>>18922011
holy CHADola

>>18921925
I think I dropped it close to chapter 1000 a year ago

just a daily reminder of fuck you /sffg/

>>18921925
How do people read this shit past teenagehood?

>>18922355
Didn't ask.

Just finished book 1 of Prince of Nothing
Esmenet is a worthless whore

>>18922446
Don't talk about mommy Esmi that way!

>>18922456
She's a whore and you know it

>>18922422
asshole fuck you you and your marijuana

>>18922484
Not my problem.

>>18922483
Does it trouble you?

>>18922492
I hate people who only think with their genitals so yes it does bother me.

>>18922446
There is only one objectively bad thing she did and it's not in first book. Otherwise it's just realistic story of woman in middle ages who has zero agency and tries to get by as she can. Aside of actual major spoilerselling her daughter into slavery and convincing herself and anyone else that she died she literally dindu nuffin.

>>18922456
>>18922492
>no feet visible in pics
I sleep

>>18922530
Why are you like this

>>18922515
She promised Akka in book 2 that nothing would ever again get in between them. But we all know that to be false

>>18922704
>Basically confirmed dead, there was no realistic reason to hope he will make it out alive
>Best minds of the age got played by dunyain like a fiddle, what hope could one dumb slut have
Whole thing is set up pretty good to show that you can't really blame anyone involved except circumstance. She still came to regret it very hard.

>>18922446
>Esmenet is a worthless whore

>>18922515
You basically just said she was a worthless whore yourself.

>>18922508
That's misogynist

>>18923001
What I said applies to men too

>>18923030
>>18922508
she doesn't really think with her genitals though she thinks with her brain, she realises sarcellus is rich and will be a better provider so rolls with him for a while

>>18922783
>She still came to regret it very hard.
Akka won in the end.

>>18923160
She regretting it seems like relatively minor part of him winning in the end next to literally knocking up her daughter. Seriously I can't imagine a better way to get back at woman for fucking you over in relationship.

I'm looking to get into a good high fantasy series. Currently thinking about Elric of melniborne, the way of kings or the book of the new sun. Any recommendations?

>>18923243

Reminder that the greatest Japanese fantasy work had a translation released yesterday.

>>18923243
>the way of kings
>a good high fantasy series

>>18923243
Elric isn't really high fantasy, so if that is what you are looking for I would advise something else.

>>18923243
Read the way of the kings best fantasy book ever written and the sequels are even better

>Read the way of the kings best fantasy book ever written and the sequels are even better

How good are Peter David's fantasy books ?

>Read the way of the kings best fantasy book ever written and the sequels are even better

>>18922446
I found it hard to believe a impoverished prostitute in her 30's in the middle ages would be anything other than "post-wall."

>>18921602
>Book Club
sep 1: inhibitor phase https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/56072402-inhibitor-phase
sep 15: wisdom of crowds https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/40701780-the-wisdom-of-crowds
sep 26: the scar https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/68497.The_Scar

inhibitor start pushed back slightly

I just realized something, anons. Have you ever wondered why there is no magic IRL? Yet not that long ago, history books tell us the world was filled with witches and danger. What if as society industrialized, we congregated in cities and entrusted our water supply to the government, and this water supply was TAINTED by fluoride? What if in the Wheel of Time books, forkroot, which is used to suppress the One Power when consumed, is comprised of fluoride? What if the jets that fly above us dropping chem-trails are spreading FORKROOT into the water supply, not just in the city but in the wilderness too, so there is no escape?

>>18923890
Think about it, anons. Forkroot is said to taste minty. What else tastes minty? TOOTHPASTE. That's right. Stop consuming fluoride, find a source of pure water, and you may become an Asha'man or Aes Sedai (if you were born with the ability).

>>18923531
>>18923564
It is simple the truth

>>18924002
Didn't ask.

>It is simple the truth

>It is simple the truth

>>18924017
This can't be real?

Onions-fantasy is the best kind of fantasy. The Goodreads-core books where the protag is an epic girlboss are actually quite fun to read, with the added benefit of making insecure pseuds seethe.

>>18921920
Sea is by far the better series. Like you said, Wright definitely excels with a certain kind of protagonist, and the shadow series is not one of those. Sea is pretty complete on its own, read shadow at your own risk.

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>>18924017
>>18924002
Cope and seethe bakkercucks

>>18921920
I finished Sea a couple of days ago, too. For a minute I honestly thought I wrote this post and forgot about it.

Sea was pretty great and I liked seeing Will write something other than power fantasy (though I love Cradle). I hate the fantasy assassin genre so I'll be staying away from Shadow.

Will did really good with the Lovecraftian stuff. It felt fresh.

>Cope and seethe bakkercucks

>>18924170
>can't even quote properly
>quickly deletes the post
We accept your defeat, sandersoy.

>>18924059
Recommend your top Goodreads-core books.

>>18924170
retard

I started reading Wheel of Time and the first chapter with Lan was okay but then there was like five chapters of some wom*n that I started skipping. How much of the story is about women?

>>18921681
The scent of anus honey is an acquired taste, but a patrician one none the less. Pray the cataracts of ignorance will be lifted from the souls of the Sandercels.

>>18924234
>How much of the story is about women?

Like 50/50, considering one of the major themes of the book is about men and women complimenting each other.

>>18924017
I don’t know anons keep spamming this. Sanderson may be shit, but I find this scene kinda funny.

>>18924059
There is some truth to this, at times it can be like Conan-for-girls with how simple and direct it is. I am actually kind of interested to see what the "girl-boss" contingent will cook up if they ever come out of their pulp phase.

>ywn get to read the No God and see the Solitary God btfo the shitty rape gods, rape aliens, and Dunyain alike

Feels bad man. I wanted to see the triumph of the Absolute coming to know itself as Itself.

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>>18921925
there's literally nothing made by chink hand that isn't shit

>>18924280
I think this is the likely end because you have Ajokli going on about being the Absolute, buy he clearly isn't, he is just one of many Gods. Since the term seems close to Hegel's use, and Bakker is a philosophy PhD, I'm guessing that's the influence. Basically the God of Boehme. And indeed, the Muslim-esque sorcerers (I'm not going to try to remember how to spell it) have seen what the Gods do to their souls but still have faith in the Solitary God beyond that, something they see mystically. So why isn't the Solitary God/Absolute stopping it? Because the Zietgiest isn't right. The Absolute evolves over time by positing that which it is not and progressing through levels of synthesis. So Ajokli being the Absolute is pure hubristic bullshit since the Absolute would be reality itself and reflects, for the Idealists at least, an immanent and transcendental God.

>>18923571
Why do you think she's in her 30s? Sounded mid-20s to me, slightly older than the other chick.

She's one of the only good characters. I don't get how you can hate her when Cnoir and Khellus are actively evil.

Are there any stories that deal with a chosen one and prophecies? Like, the actual mechanics of who the hell comes up with these prophecies and if anyone holds them accountable for being wrong or something? I think that’d be a fun read.

>>18924353
Cnoir is evil at least. Khellus is a legit Ciphrang demon spider psychopath robot.

>>18924017
Wtf I want to read Sanderson now

>>18924353
She is explicitly stated to be 31yo at the moment of story's beginning.
>Cnoir
He would have been generic barbarian who does generic barbarian shit so it would have been just obeying his nature tier evil. But on top of that he is just unhinged by his experience with Moenghus which makes him perma asshurt.
>Kellhus
He just does what he is tasked by order or circumstance to do like an automaton. He has no malicious intent, self interest or any lust for power, in fact he doesn't have any ego at all at the beginning.

The only legit unconditionally evil actor in whole story is the gods. Everyone else has at least some excuse to them.

>>18924285
>one of them said in pretty good Alethi

>>18924353
Who cares if they are evil? Whether or not I like a character is dependent on a whole lot more than their morality.

>>18924353
>Still using the Good vs Evil dichotomy after being Bakkerpilled.

NGMI

>>18924234
I dropped it after one book. After reading LOTR and BOTNS wheel of time is just dogshit unfortunately

>>18921602
thanks for this thread, been looking for it on and off for a couple of weeks

What are some of your most favorite quotes?

>>18924353
It's been years, and I don't have the book on me, but I remember the dramatis personae in the back of TDTCB listed her as ... early 30s? 31 or 32. I remember Kellhus was 33 (Jesus' age).
Anyway, it's not that a woman in her 30's can't be very attractive, but this is much more common now due to modern cosmetics and healthy living. For a woman in the middle ages you'd almost have to be wealthy to be attractive after 30 (better diet, lower stress).
Esmi lived a rough life. She should look like picrel (this woman is 33).
And I don't hate her, even for her most henious crime. Though it's worth noting Esmi didn't even begin looking for Mimara until after Kayutas AND Theliopa were born, and she realized that, as half-Dunyains, they couldn't love her. Only then did she make an effort to send out searchers. So, even after Esmi was empress, Mimara was stuck in a brothel for years because her mother couldn't be bothered to rescue her. And if Kayutas had been born normal(ish), Mimara would probably still be in that brothel when the No-God returns.

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>>18924717
quote that means literally nothing out of context
bravo

>>18924550
Looking for what?

>>18924796
a sci-fi/fantasy general, with the links provided

>>18924750
Well if you have read that masterpiece you understand it

FUCK E William Brown
FUCK No Releases
FUCK Pay Pigs
FUCK Pay Walls
FUCK YOU

>>18924356
Good Omens

>>18921925
This

you know Bakker is a god tier writer based on the amount of times he references cum and cumming
I'm not even joking

>>18925410
I've cum to the same conclusion

Just finished pic related series. Easy to read without any surprises. Not bad but not great either.
Anything else blending magic and technology?

>>18925410
>you know Bakker is a god tier writer based on the amount of times he references cum and cumming
>I'm not even joking

>>18925421
A Big Ship at the Edge of the Universe by Alex White
Hand of Mars by Glynn Stewart
Terra Nova by Vowron Prime (kinda)

reading some old and new Lovecraft recently

one thing that's really starting to bother me... he doesn't fuck around literally telling you the big reveal almost immediately. I just read Charle's Dexter Ward and The Shadow Out of Time. It's really obvious what the dramatic reveal or the supposed "horror" of the story is immediately (necromancy or alien brain replacement, respectively). There's just ample clues and less than subtle suggestions the most competent reader can puzzle it out. I know that yeah it's kind of not the point of his stories, it's less a dramatic page-turner leading up to a massive REVEAL and yeah this alongside the style and emotion keep me reading, but I just wish it was a little less, idk, up-front.

Not as much a problem with the stories that kind of lack key horrific idea/"reveal", i.e. Shadow over Innsmouth, but he manages to keep things contained until the end with some other stories like Dunwich Horror or Mountains of Madness (but then the latter also kind of gets a lot less exciting when it loses it's spooky arctic horror elements).

Idk maybe Wolfe ruined me and I just crave puzzles in my stories now. anyone else had this?

>>18922011
> Remember when you were young
> You shone like the sun...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQM7XMySBLA

>>18924715
Well, she probably hadn't even thought about the possibility that Mimara could be found. Even for the Kellian Empress, that was a wild moonshot.

Was her crime that bad? If she hadn't done that, Kellhus-Ajokli was going to do the same or worse. The No-God seems like a softer target. Pissed me off that not a single sorcerer blasted it upon seeing it had no chorae.

>>18924278
>pulp Conan-for-Girls novels
That honestly sounds fun as hell, any reccs?

>>18924315
>tfw will never reach the absolute

>>18926207
>Pissed me off that not a single sorcerer blasted it upon seeing it had no chorae.
Thought that too. The only explanation would have been that they installed trinkets again, but it was never mentioned. Even if they didn't, this wasn't as bad as a man who single-handedly stopped and routed a literal fucking cavalry charge using nothing but sword jobbing to a single skin spy. Everything suddenly became inconsistent in TUS ending.

>>18925421
Unironically the Mass Effect books by Karpyshyn
I found them fun when I read them ages ago

>>18924353
>hating on Cnaiur
The proper attitude to have toward him is pity, anon.

>>18924059
>>18924214
>>18924278
>>18926229
Fags

>>18926251
Kellhus had just snapped out of being possessed by a fucking God, then died not even five seconds later. That, I can believe.

I suppose no sorcerer attacking the No-God can be explained by the total collapse of morale its reveal occasioned. We believed that a starved army was capable of crushing a well-rested and supplied enemy purely due to having fanatic morale, so I suppose we should believe an army with negative morale would fail to take appropriate actions.

>>18926789
>>18926251

A lot of things still haven't been explained in the series. Because it is clearly unfinished

>>18926808
What is the reason Bakker has stopped updating his blog? Did his philosophy finally get to him? Because that shit's grim.

>>18926824
I have no idea. Maybe we're in for a surprise? Who knows.

>>18926789
>>18926251
>>18926207
It's not really like morale was negative or whatever, the sorcerers rallied not too long after when they defended the mountain pass against the horde. There were definitely people who would have tried. I think it's an oversight, I have no other explanation for it.

>they installed trinkets again
Akka would have sensed it. He specifically remakred on the mark being gone, so he would have noticed if there'd been voids instead.

>>18926824
I think the last things he posted were about him doing manual labour around the house and he remarked on how strangely satisfying that was on a spiritual level. He also has very poor health due to arthritis or something and said he likely hasn't much time until he can no longer be active in that way, so maybe he's enjoying his twilight years doing things away from a monitor.

>>18927078
>his twilight years
the man is like 50 years old anon, he's barely in midlife crisis territory.

>>18927086
He said himself that he has bad health issues and chronic pain that affect his mobility.

Also fuck this capcha, half of them are downright impossible to solve no matter what.

>>18927097
>muh chronic pain
How womanish.

>>18927122
>When Mimara asked for a third time what was the matter, he decided that he hated the young. Smooth faces and lithe strong limbs. Not to mention the certainty of ignorance. In his soul’s eye he saw them doing jigs down blasted halls, while all he could do was hobble after them. Pompous wretches, he thought, with their dark hair and hundred-word vocabularies. Pissants.

I've been playing Pathfinder Kingmaker for 2000 hours and it's made me want to read a fantasy series, is there anything like it?

>>18927122
>How womanish.
Well he is Canadian.

>>18927097
Oh god, he is going to fly to Europe to get euthanized isn't he.

>le slits and cum and assholes and poop and rape, now THAT'S what I call a good story!

>>18926111
Never read his stuff, but does the meme of him refusing to describe incomprehensible monsters(I can't describe it to you it was so horrifying) real or is it just cope from anti-racists?

>>18927629
What specifically appealed to you about Kingmaker?

>>18927984
KEK. He has a daughter though.

>>18926111
For me, it's not so much the twists or surprises as it is the atmosphere and prose (which I admit are an acquired taste). I mean, I devoured Lovecraft's works in high school, so it's not like I don't know how they end.
>>18928151
It's not really a meme. Lovecraft does do that (and if fact he pokes fun at himself over this in "The Unnameable"). However, I think it works since the narrator tends to be describing something outside human experience. Your own imagination fills in the gaps.

Just finished God Emperor. Where should I go from here?

>>18928348
This is how the Amish have sex.

>>18925421
Darkwar

>>18926267
I too have always wanted a muscular Japanese man to piss in my Cheerios.

>>18928348
>TWO WOMEN
> IN A PASSIONATE KISS
What the fuck was Duncan's problem?

I saw the following on goodreads:
>Rothfuss seems to have this obsession with females that many adult white male authors do and we can see this in this novel and in The Wise Man's Fear
>-Hamad (Age 25, Male, Jerusalem, 05, Palestinian Territory, Occupied)
What is it about the Name of the Wind that manages to unite roasties, muslims and /sffg/ in their seething over the series? The amount of kvetching is making me want to read the series.

>>18928422
how do you think they have so many kids

>>18928582
Gnomefuss isn’t Bakker, he doesn’t inspire womanish kevetching by being based and redpilled, he inspires kevetching from holes by being such a super fedora tipping le epic woman respecter that his powerful sex pest energy seeps from the pages filled with his scribbling and sets off their would be rapist alarms. I hope you read him, he is seriously terrible. His self-insert character is the biggest Gary Stu I’ve ever come across.

>>18928564
Ya this is a great question.

For whatever reason at that moment I suspected that Herbert modeled Duncan after John Wayne, or after some other "old school" cowboy type. From a time when a public display of gay affection would have caused more than a little stir. Not sure if this is true but it was how I rationalized it because ya, it seemed a little unnecessary.

I wonder too if there's some connection I'm missing because I thought Leto had said male only armies tended towards homosexuality as if to say his fish speakers didn't do that? Hmmm.

>>18928582
Lets see if I can break it down: Roasties (feminists) hate men, especially white men, so it stands to reason they'd hate a White Male Character who is totes radical at everything that was written by a White Male. Muslims hate women so it's understandable why they'd hate a book that simps so much over them. /sffg/ is kinda in the same boat as the muslims in that we don't like simpy writing; we don't necessarily hate women (except female writers because they suck) but we don't enjoy reading about simps simping over chicks who ain't worth it. It's obvious Rothfuss is a soft-boy simp and that comes through in his writing.

>>18922446
Funny I just finished Darkness yesterday too.
Overall, it was a really enjoyable experience, the first half was a bit of a slog but it gets really hype in the second, especially when all the characters converge in Momemn. Cnaiur is best girl, his tsundere dynamic with Kellhus and Serwe was the best part of the book.
That said I do have some questions regarding the order of Dunyian that I hope get answered in the sequels:
- How the fuck did they breed autists in seclusion for 2000 years without turning into incestual abominations? How many of them are there anyway? Kellhus' story implies that Moenghus was the first in a while to go out so it's not like they're pilfering neighboring villages for kids
- If Dunyians spurn history and tradition why did they let the royal bloodline keep theirs? If fact, why let anyone have names, you'd expect them to be more like Nameless God worshippers in ASOIAF
- How do they not know what sorcery is given that the order started at the end of First Apocalypse, event during which I would assume cataclysmic magic wracked the entire planet
- How were they not overrun by zomb- sorry, Sranc

>>18928679
Bakker answers most of those questions as the series progresses, the naming convention doesn’t come up that I can remember but I think they just seemed to keep the naming convention of antiquity because names are useful. It’s hard to breed autistic overmen without names, or so it strikes me.
Genetics in the Bakkerverse isn’t exactly the same as genetics as we know them. Also the amount of people you need to have a self sustaining population even here on Earth is probably a lot lower than you think.

>>18928632
All the fish speakers were frothing at the loins for Duncan. He could have easily joined in and fugged them both at the same time but instead he cries about it to Moneo and get BTFO.
>I wonder too if there's some connection I'm missing because I thought Leto had said male only armies tended towards homosexuality as if to say his fish speakers didn't do that?
It's been a while since I read it but I think Leto said that male armies were bad because they were too destructive, then separately said that gays made the best warriors because they were hedonists that were driven only by their urges. I don't think a distinction was made between gays and lesbians, just between men and women. That being said I seem to remember Herbert was extremely butthurt about one of this sons being gay so maybe he was just coping hard while writing those chapters.
>>18928635
>>18928620
Why would feminists hate simps? And how the main character be a Gary Stu and simp at the same time? Isn't that an oxymoron?

fuck you junkie

>>18928746
Pic rel is Gnomefuss and it comes across in his writing. Plenary of radfems hate soys and simps. And no, a Gary Stu doesn’t imply being a simp. You don’t know what one or both of those words mean.

>>18928273
>Lovecraft does do that (and if fact he pokes fun at himself over this in "The Unnameable").
Thanks. I heard different people say different things about his writing style and wanted to know if it was true or not.

>>18928764
>>18928746
Fuck, I misread your post. Dude is a super genius, best at everything, including being so good at sex he makes a succubus-fairy goddess fall in love with him, but he can’t get the girl he wants because she is too busy getting railed by bad boys who don’t know what’s best for her like the author self insert does, but he still simps hard for her.
You should read it, shit is actually funny.

>>18928679
>How were they not overrun by zomb- sorry, Sranc

they've got really tall walls and 1000s of kellhusses defending them.

>>18928892
also the area is kind of isolated and there aren't exactly huge hordes of sranc just mobs of a few hundred who the dunyain take out if they get near the walls

>>18923243
Malazan is literally Peak high Fantasy. New Sun is the best novel ever written but it's not what you're looking for.

>>18928905
>>18928892
When Kellhus hears about Sranc from the trapper guy he first thinks it's just some superstition until they find footprints in snow. Either the information was pointlessly withheld from him by other monks, or they never encountered them.

>>18928924
All knowledge of the outside world is withheld. After his father contacts them in the dreams those who had been contacted killed themselves, they try to keep themselves totally cut off from the outside world. They had forgotten/suppressed the information of the first apocalypse and that’s why he didn’t know about the sranc/magic.
The dunyian are really well hidden. You learn more about that in book four.

>>18928924
The Dunyain fortress is hidden so they rarely encounter Sranc but they have encountered them. This is the reason Moenghus was exiled. After the Dunyain encountered Sranc, they sent Moenghus out to scout. When he returned, they worried he may have been contaminated by the outside world so they exiled him. And, yeah, they withheld this information.

>>18928746
>Why would feminists hate simps?
Feminists hate all men.
>And how the main character be a Gary Stu and simp at the same time? Isn't that an oxymoron?
Because he's a power fantasy for simps written by a simp.

>>18928977
Curious. Did he even return? I thought he just went away on his own out of pure curiosity.

>>18929119
Well, that's all according to Kellhus so I guess it could just be a lie.

>>18929119
not sure if he returned, he might have realised he would be killed if he went back so just didnt bother

>>18929279
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>>18929119
>>18928977
>>18928679
RAFO, smol mortals.
You won't get definitive answers to these questions until Book VI, desu.

>>18929286
I've read it all and don't remember Moe's exile being brought up again.
Are you simply referring to the Consult destroying Ishual or did I forget something?

>>18928707
>Also the amount of people you need to have a self sustaining population even here on Earth is probably a lot lower than you think.
It's about 100 unrelated couples IIRC. Besides, dunyain were unstable. Most of most of children born were outright defective, and they barely can have children with worldborn women without their genetic makeup falling apart.

>>18929352
Well "defective" for Dunyain does not necessarily mean they were mutated. Perhaps some were, but I always figured it primarily referred to those who were unable to complete the Dunyain training because they were too emotional, not intelligent enough or whatever.
As for the latter, I attributed that to the fact that the Dunyain had effectively become a new species and were no longer human. Just look at the whale-mothers.

what do you guys thinking of scifi/fantasy with no world building

Daily reminder that we still do now know where the Dunyain came from, hence being futile calling them human to begin with. They might have been a Consult Construct.

>>18929402
>now
not*

>>18929371
"Unstable" is the word you're looking for.

>>18929371
>>18929352
>>18929415

Inbreeding for 2000 years will ultimately pay a toll on the genetics of a population. That's why there were so many defectives. Half Dunyains are a different breed of their own.

>>18929391
It's based.

What if Mimara and Kelmomas are both invisible to the Gods?

>>18924069
>>18924172
I read the first book of Shadow yesterday, and it really felt like exactly what it was. That being the worse PoV of a multi-PoV story. Where Wright is at his best writing goal-oriented protagonists in Sea, he's at his worst writing a reactive protagonist in Shadow. Shera was basically a personality void, her only defining characteristic is that she sleeps a lot, and she's completely passive with no goals of her own, just constantly reacting to the plot. The supporting cast were also a lot less interesting.

I think this series is the best illustration of why authors shouldn't do multiple PoV characters. One of them almost always sucks.

>>18929402
I personally believe they were a human breeding experiment created by the Nonmen.

>>18929491
What if Mimaea is the mother of the Incarnate God-of-Gods, like Mary?

The craving has returned. I want the new book already.

>>18929575
Still haven’t got around to reading the last one because I heard it was dog shit.

>>18929587
>Getting 8 books into a series and stopping there because someone said it was bad
Holy shit, I cannot fathom having so little agency over my own life. You should be able to determine if you like the series or not on your own. If you made it that far, then I would assume you liked it. If you don't like it, then why did you read so much of it?

>>18929572
>What if Mimaea is the mother of the Incarnate God-of-Gods, like Mary?
I'm thinking based.

>>18929593
Because it was something to do. I liked it at first but I’ve gotten sick of the characters. Plus I didn’t say that I “won’t” read it but rather that I “still haven’t”. The implication being I will eventually get around to it when I have time.

>>18929572
>What if Mimaea is the mother of the Incarnate God-of-Gods, like Mary?
Could actually be real since iirc she looked at her belly only once while judging eye and saw only blinding light. Would be funny how Kellhus was walking around for 20 years convincing everyone that he is living god, but Akka gets back at him by having actual one as son.

Man I do not care about Elayne's throne subplot in Wheel of Ttime. Everything that happens to her after Ebou Dar is a slog to read through again. Well, listen to, I'm doing the audiobooks this time around.

>>18929640
>but Akka gets back
Pure fan fiction. Akka is for suffering only.

>>18928620
>>18928635
>>18928746
>>18928764
>>18928775
>>18929019
I'm sick of this meme. Kvothe isn't a Gary Stu. The series is literally about how the stories people tell about him are mostly exaggerated and IRL he's pretty much just a normal guy. And did you miss the part where he gets consistently BTFO by the reanimated corpse, the two soldiers, Ambrose, Devi, the 9 year old girl from Ademre, etc? There are a couple of parts that are reddit-tier, and the fact that he simps over a literal whore is pretty cringe, but come on! And the whole Patreeeek just wrote himself as Kvothe is just dumb. They don't look anything alike and whereas Kvothe is studious and motivated, Rothfuss is fat and spends all day playing vidya and raising money for starving niglets. I have a feeling that Kvothe is too much of a Chad for some of the incels who infest these boards. Anyway I'd love to see /sffg/ discuss Commentarii de Bello Gallico
>caesar is such an author self-insert
>caesar is a Garii Stuis: he never loses a battle, builds bridges at light speed and dont even get me started on the alesia plot-amour nonsense
>why do all these white male authors seem to have an obsession with genocide and slavery? I bet he got hard writing about capturing all those Atuatuci women
>he could get with any X/X girl in the whole of the empire and he simps over some literal who king in Bithynia
>ku-ringe!!!
>wow I can't believe he fucked his great-nephew! get this degeneracy out of my /lit/ thank you very much!

>>18929737
spoiler it is the god of gods but then it humiliates akka and calls him an evil sinner

>>18929691
>Wheel of Ttime
Stopped reading there.

>>18929753
>Condemn yourself to a life of nightmares and near-monastic servitude to cause, basically sacrifice yourself, to stand between humanity and its horrific death by monster rape
>Still counted as someone as bad as those who bring said death upon humanity cause you used magic
Gods are really main antagonists of TSA.

>>18929749
Is this pasta

>>18929771
Wheel of Time is pure unadulterated kino.

>>18930331
No, not really.

>>18930341
Yes, really.

>>18930348
Didn't ask.

What are some feminism-core fantasy essentials?

>>18930331
>tugs her braid ™

>>18921752
I don’t read smut

So, do you think the No-God series will cover Kellhus' aventures on the Outside?

>>18930719
It better.

>>18930719
I won't be surprised if he wiggles out of it one way or another. Some shit with heads maybe, who the fuck knows how many or those he has. Maybe he even jobbed intentionally, there is no way someone shown to have super perfect control over entirety of his body and mind just get distracted like that. He was central plot device of whole thing, and maybe even a character later on, I don't see how most funny part will unravel without him.

What an absolutely based thread.

>>18930360
Ursula Le Guin, Robin Hobb

>>18930865
I guess you could consider the non-fitz books a bit feminist

>>18930719
I am not sure.

Bakker's cosmology reminds me in someways of Mage: The Ascension with the world being the place of "maximum objectivity" or whatever, and the further away from it you get the more wishy washy reality becomes. Seems like it would require a radical aesthetic departure in someways, in favour for a more loose borderline psychedelic approach and that just doesn't really seem to be Bakker's jam.

>>18928746
>Why would feminists hate simps?
they're weak incels, the opposite of chads, they're 'creepy'. women only USE them for money and validation, other than that its nothing but disgust

>>18930331
its akin to sanderson, rothfuss and that ilk.

>>18930918
So it's shit basically?

>>18930872
did anyone read that weird soldier's son or whatever it was called trilogy she did? very weird, it seemed to be all about the main character getting magically fat.

>>18930924
yeah

>>18929774
Bakkerverse is Beyond Good and Evil(tm). Not actually in a Nietzschen way but in that the gods are spiders. You can’t blame them from eating, even if their eating causes untold eternal suffering for unlimited sentient beings. The Dunyain have almost solved the problem of free will with their study of the darkness that comes before (also tm), and so we know that no human I s actually making any decisions, humans are (damned) flesh automatons. The Sranc are souless flash rape machines, the inches are doomed to be lovers of humans (and just doomed) no matter what.
The only players seem to be the mad (Big K, little k, lady three eyes and Cnaiur ) and how can we judge the actions of the mad as moral or not?
Basically, they are fucking sick books.

>pick up new fantasy novel
>it has a map of the world
>every chapter starts with a quote

>>18930986
>Bakkerverse is Beyond Good and Evil(tm). Not actually in a Nietzschen way but in that the gods are spiders. You can’t blame them from eating, even if their eating causes untold eternal suffering for unlimited sentient beings. The Dunyain have almost solved the problem of free will with their study of the darkness that comes before (also tm), and so we know that no human I s actually making any decisions, humans are (damned) flesh automatons. The Sranc are souless flash rape machines, the inches are doomed to be lovers of humans (and just doomed) no matter what.

>>18931365
that's practically all of them

>>18931405
Hey, how did you get that picture of me?!

>>18929402
They can't be, the Consult didn't know anything about them.

>>18931405
Nah, that post was based

>>18931456
>Bakker post
>based
choose one

>>18921602
The Southern Reach trilogy is gay AF

>>18931596
True. It seems like he has some talent and that it was thoroughly ransacked by whatever MFA he got. Can smell the bad faith workshopping all over that shit.

what /sffg/ books feature rape as a battle tactic?

>>18931650
gay or straight? dirty or clean?

>>18931669
>clean

?????

>>18931623
>bad faith workshopping
How do you mean?

>>18931496
I'm choosing both. Truth shines.

>>18931365
>fantasy novel
>every chapter starts with a real world quote

I will not read your novel

>>18931688
If it is gay sometimes there is shit. Like when Cnair raped Ikurei Conphas because Conphas had his tribesmen publicly raped en mass. He wakes up with shit on his leg which is a call back to the honey of unwashed anuses earlier in the series.

>>18931688
if you want hardcore scat rape Bakker is your guy, if you want clean vaginal rape you go look somewhere else

>>18930872
>made by women
>good
>no shoehorned girl power shit or pop feminist morality tales

that's all it fuckin needs to be

>>18931365
only thing I've read recently that did anything interesting with it was Senlin Ascends and its sequels

>>18921602
The Will To Battle, Terra Ignota #3 - Ada Palmer (2017)

Unfortunately Palmer leaned even further into the indulgences that I was both repelled and intrigued by in the previous two books. While I understand this was meant to be a representation of the narrator's mental state I would've preferred it to be more restrained in its usage.
Whereas the preceding books addressed the reader and the reader responded, this one took it a step further and introduced a second metafictional character who monologued and conversed with the reader. These conceits are interesting, but they were overdone for my tastes.
Thankfully the ambiguous character and scene transitions were limited to a single section. By this I mean that the narrative switched which character had been speaking without notice and then chided you for having thought that it was the same character the entire time or that they were in same location.
I don't know if didn't notice before as much, but this book was utterly filled with dialogue. I didn't mind that, though the inclusion of what were essentially transcripts was somewhat questionable. As a result, this one has even less plot than the first two books. The focus this time is on all things Hobbesian.
There was a plot twist that had been consistently foreshadowed since early in the first book and as with the plot twist in the second book I thought it was a bold choice, but it turned to be for dramatic effect only again.
The fourth book is the final book and I'm glad for that. I have considerable doubts that it will be satisfactorily concluded. I don't know whether I'd read anything else from Palmer or not. This literary style is fine for a few books, but I certainly wouldn't it want to be more than that.

Rating: 2.5/5

Rec me fantasy that takes place within a single city or smaller. I'm burned out on vast continents and epic wars. No urban fantasy, obviously, I'm not gay

>>18932019
Most of the Fafrhd and Gray Mouser stories I've read so far, out of Swords and Devilty and Swords Against Death are set in Lankhmar, one city.

>it's another thread filled with the exact same autists making the exact same posts over and over again about Bakker

Why do you persist? Fuck it, I'm filtering anything rela to Bakker. This shit is insufferable. I hope you all get dragged across broken glass, dipped in acid the thrown on a fire to burn to death.

>>18932111
Oh the humanity, people discussing books on a books board!

>>18932120
>shilling
>discussion
bruh moment

>>18932120
Pretending to be retarded is still retarded.

>>18932132
It isn't even shilling, it is just pure autism. One group of autists who just come here to shitpost.

>>18932140
>>18932132
If you pick all Bakker-related posts ITT its
70% discussion of Bakker works
20% ironic shitposts by antiBakkerfags
10% bumps
In other words, the negative aspects hardly outweigh similarly inane autism about Sanderson or Rothfuss

>>18932120
They aren't discussing anything, they just repeat the same shitposts over and over and spam wojacks at anybody who points this out. It's literally a small discord server that's been squatting in our threads for almost a year.

>>18932263
The discord is for book readalongs. There was a bakker read but it wasn't popular.

>>18932019
Is Perdido Street Station “urban fantasy?” I didn’t think it was very gay.

>>18932565
Anything written by a guy that looks like this is automatically gay.

Is there anything in fantasy that has a similar feeling to this? I don't mean the anime shit. I mean the sense of wonder, adventure, and innocence.

>>18932595
Yeah, time travel back to 2006 and scroll through some emo chick's myspace page.

>>18932605
Ok.

>>18931436
That's not necessarily true.

>>18930776
>there is no way someone shown to have super perfect control over entirety of his body and mind just get distracted like that
He wasn't exactly himself at the time.
Also he is supposed to be "dead but not done"

>>18932605
based

>>18932019
Rogues of Merth

>>18932595
The Wizard Knight

>>18932595
Lyonesse. Earlier Neil Gaiman novels.

>>18932595
Three Hearts and Three Lions

>>18932019
lies of locke lamora, the 1st malazan book for the most part
>>18932595
i'd second some of Gaimans books, The Graveyard Book, mirror mask, stardust.
The Belgariad, wheel of time maybe

König

Bakker just LOOKS autistic, y'know what I mean? He got that ASD physiognomy. Can't put it into words, maybe someone else might, but I can just tell.

>>18934679
>y'know

>>18934679
That's just a Scottish phenotype

I'm only about 30% into pic related, but it's been wonderfully weird and refreshing. I'm not a gamerfag so never personally played it, but I suspect Bloodborne fans would dig this book.

>about to start rereading discworld
it's always a good time to reread discworld

>>18934944
Some dark shit here, bros.

>>18935082
more like DICKworld

>>18935147
*DICKSworld

>>18932595
Dragonball.

What the fuck was this shit, the mc sets goals yet never does anything about them and just keeps getting swept every which way by multiple women.

>>18935276
>reading mainstream garbage
What did you expect?

>>18935385
This is my punishment for believing reviews from people I like.

>>18921602
>Science fiction and fantasy is but schlocky uniformity. There is no literary innovation.
>So read my canon of the same stuff for two thousand years!!!
Have I utterly BTFO literary pseuds?

>>18935438
Yes, but they will deny it.

>>18935276
>New York Best seller.
Found the problem. Traditional published books are hot garbage now.

>>18935528
Yeah, but you still have idiots try and defend them, as some sort of mark for high-quality.

>>18929371
it's mentioned in aspect-emperor that esmi birthed some pretty horrifying creatures that had to be killed shortly after birth, and her children that lived in the palace were the least terrible survivors

>>18935573
>some sort of mark for high-quality
They never were that’s just stupid shit pseuds say to dismiss self-published books and authors.

>>18932179
in this thread, but reverse those percentages and you get to the more normal distribution.

i get that circle jerks are fun, but really wish we could move on to something more interesting than this abortion of a fantasy series

>>18935599
Yes. The same is true of all the births by his concubines. But I figured that was due to them being crossbreeds of Dunyain and human and not something common among the pure Dunyain.

I got this in the mail today and wanted to post the cover because it's one of my favorites.

>>18935641
One job.

>>18935641
Damnit

>>18935632
The last two or three threads people were actually discussion different books, and even the beginning of this thread, anons were discussing books until people started shitposting about Bakker.

>>18931650
bakker

>>18935649
I wish the book was as interesting to read

>>18935927
Are they bad or just not interesting?

>>18935649
Is it any good?

>>18935956
I read it a couple months ago and I don't know if it's long covid mindfog but I could not focus while reading it or tell you what happened in the story. Things happened in a series of events but without any of the characters motivations or logic tying them together.

>>18935634
There’s a reason why kellhus’s grandson has clawhands

>>18936027
So, overall just an uneventful and forgettable book?

>>18932263
>It's literally a small discord server that's been squatting in our threads for almost a year.
They're also from reddit.

>>18932019
Thunderer by Felix Gilman
Sixteen Ways to Defend a Walled City by KJ Parker
Jerusalem by Alan Moore

>>18929572
>What if Mimaea is the mother of the Incarnate God-of-Gods, like Mary?
What if, indeed..?

>>18936068
Wouldn’t surprise me at this point. All they do is just type the same shit ad infinitum.

>>18936114
>Sixteen Ways to Defend a Walled City by KJ Parker
sounds kino, I'll check it out

>>18936135
>All they do is just type the same shit ad infinitum.
That's actually what the Bakker-haters do. Complain, bitch, seethe and moan endlessly; the epitome of womanish behaviour.

Bakker readers do tend to discuss various aspects of the books, and generally don't step on others' toes unless they're acting aggressively retarded. If it troubles you so, just filter Bakker posts and carry on.

I'm reading through King of Elfland's daughter right now and I'm really enjoying it. I can't believe that its so obscure. It definitely needs more attention.

>>18936269
>I can't believe that its so obscure
It isn't remotely obscure. It's extremely popular and well known.

>>18936299
I never see it talked about here before?

>>18936306
That's because 50% of the posts in any given SFFG thread is a handful of autists who get fixated on a single author and do nothing but shitpost about them for a year or more at a time.

>>18932019
Guards! Guards and Men at Arms. Lathe of Heaven. The Inverted World doesn't strictly qualify but might scratch that itch anyway

>>18936311
Have they ever stopped before?

>>18936340
No, they’ll continue to shitpost and snuff out any sort of actual discussion.

the 4th book of Terra Ignota comes out in September. Is the series worth buying?

>>18936436
It's been delayed again.

>>18936444
When is the new release date?

>>18936444
>It's been delayed again.
To what? 2022? The book was supposed to come out in the first half of 2021.

>>18936444
How many times has it been? I lost count.

Just started Gardens of the Moon and finished the prologue between the merchant’s son and the commander and was wondering if the rest of the book is like this because there seems to be a lot of characters and references I’m missing

>>18936556
>was wondering if the rest of the book is like this
yes

>>18936556
That's the entire series. Every book has a new cast of characters referencing shit that's never been mentioned before.

>>18936580
>>18936581
Alright, good to know, I thought I miss a prequel or something.

Need a good standalone book to read. Currently taking a break after finishing A Dance with Dragons and don’t want to start another series.

Any genre is fine, just shill me one of your fav books.

>>18936609
Lord of the Mysteries.

>>18936609
Emphyrio

>>18936650
>Jack Vance
Will be adding it to my list, thanks.

>>18936609
House of Suns

>>18936609
Grapes of Wrath

>>18936618
>standalone book
>Lord of the Mysteries
Anon, I....

>>18936609
The Quantum Thief

>>18936609
Any of Wolfe novels.

>>18936716
Is there a problem?

>>18923250
Link to the fantasy work? I’ll check it myself.

>>18936799
It's a visual Novel and I think he posted the link the previous threads

>>18936810
>It's a visual Novel
Eh, I got no issue with those. I’ve played a few and enjoyed a few of them. So I wouldn’t mind playing this one.

>>18936816
https://press.jastusa.com/full-metal-daemon-muramasa

>>18936833
Oh, it’s this one. Wasn’t this written by an actual swordsman or something? But, yeah, I’ll be buying this.

>>18936835
>actual swordsman or something?
Yes, and it shows in the narration.

>>18936843
We’ll shit, now I have to buy and check it out.

>>18936609
What about his short stories?

new thread
>>18936861

>>18936042
Yes. Because he had some of his fingers cut off. Presumably from the Sranc attacks.
>Three fingers had been lopped from his right hand, making a crab's claw of his thumb and forefinger.

>>18936609
The First Fifteen Lives of Harry August

>1984 bad

>btw big tech is good everyone with doubleplusungood thoughts needs to be banned from internet and everyone needs to get vaxxed now

???