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Serious question: Is this book really effective in helping undisciplined, no-good, lazy retards who can't afford therapy sessions take a firm step towards turning their life around, or is it just another waste of time? My ego is telling me not to read a widely popular ''self-help'' book, but i also realize that it's just more harmful posturing and it's just another excuse to wallow in more self-pity.
Be honest /lit/, what is there to get out of this?

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>>18900703
It's good. I put it in my self-help recommendation hexology, of which I recommend all to you.

>> No.18900723

>>18900703
Whatever you might get out of that book can also be advised on every board. See the constant "book for this feel", "i'm a neet no gf,".

>> No.18900801

>>18900723
due to the clock ticking against me, despair led to scraping away at any door of salvation i could find. that's why i made this thread, to be sure that i won't be wasting it. the ''tfw no gf''' type of speeches don't apply anymore. things are bad, real bad.
>>18900716
thank you

>> No.18900822

>>18900716
Kondo Marie is based as fuck so I guess I'm gonna have to check out the other ones now.

>> No.18900839

>>18900703
I read it and got a lot out of it. I don’t know if it’s the best and it won’t turn your life around just by reading it. But it’s a good start and very uplifting.

>> No.18901373

bump

>> No.18901384

>>18900703
You really think people here actually reads books?

>> No.18901393

>>18900703
I think you ought to read it to understand one concept:

Identity builds habit.

That's really the thesis of this book. Let your identity revolve around the habit and it'll become habitual. That's all this book is about.

Also, I haven't read it.

>> No.18901447

>>18900703
man I'm stoned and it's hard to write coherent sentences, but this book was good and I got stuff out of it

if you follow the precedures in this book your habits will improve. sometimes self help can be hard to swallow with all the dumb case studies and anaectodes, but power through it and this will help yu. not looking forward to trying to solve this captch

>> No.18901456

>>18900703
Yeah it’s a secret book the elites don’t want you to know about, just buy it, buy it now, but it now, buy it now, buy it now.

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>>18900703
There are many paths up the same mountain.
Even if you know every trail, it'll be hard work to reach the top.

These books are fun to read for pop psych. If it gives a new perspective which helps better yourself then it's worth.

>> No.18901636

>>18900703
Let's be honest anon. You already know what you have to do. You already know how you must do it. Reading books is all good. Books can't convince you to do it. You have to unironically shut the fuck up and just do it.

>> No.18901839

>>18901568
can hard psych open new pathways of improvement to an individual

>> No.18901882

>>18901447
I wonder what happens when the AI gets too good and humans can't even keep up does that mean that I need my social security to post on 4chan

>> No.18902054

>>18900703
Serious answer: Yes.

>What is there to get out of this?
The only way to change the way you live and become an improved version of yourself is by taking action. What this book does is drive home the principle that the most efficient way of taking action is by performing small habits on a consistent basis.

This book really helped me understand and accept that I could take tiny steps towards improvement everyday without needing or relying on willpower or motivation. It also gives great advice concerning the feelings of friction and discomfort that I felt (and still do) whenever I wanted to take positive steps to change my life.It's a very easy read and it's very easy to implement into your life.

>Background
I used to be a "stay in bed, feel depressed all day" type of person. Once every couple of weeks I would get so disgusted with myself that the sheer hatred of my situation made me get up and do something. I would exercise, write, clean, etc.... for about half a day. Then I would fall right back into the pit I was stuck in and wonder why I didn't care enough to keep up being productive instead of "lazy". I would wonder why I didn't have more discipline or more self-control or more motivation or willpower.

After reading Atomic Habits I came to the realisation that having a routine that makes me actively building new, beneficial habits while preventing detrimental old habits is vastly superior to lasting change than relying on bouts of motivation or willpower.

OP, I wish you good luck. Get the basic rights (healthy exercise, good nutrition, good sleep), then figure out what your (realistic and attainable) goals are (i.e. reading more, writing more, earning more, etc). Once you know this, translate these objectives into small steps (habits) you take each day.

>> No.18902109

>>18902054
Another big take away from Atomic Habits is that the emphasis should be on the system, not the goal itself.

>Example:
My goal is to write a book. I used to think that I could only write good material if I really felt like writing. As a result, I would often go weeks without writing a single sentence (because I didn't *feel* like writing or because of other excuses) and I would detest myself, thinking I was simply too lazy and unmotivated and ill-disciplined to ever achieve a goal such as writing a book.

The knowledge and techniques found in Atomic Habits made me realise the goal (in my case, writing a book) is a process. It's the result of many small steps. In this case, specifically, the small step is writing a little bit until those little bits form a book. Practically speaking, I started out by scheduling in 5 minutes of writing as the first thing I did after waking up. I really had to force myself the first few weeks, but gradually it became something I could do without my brain and body being riddled with the will to procrastinate. Those 5 minutes soon morphed into 10 or 20. And each time I performed this new habit, I made a cross on the wall next to my desk. Currently, I have a string of 53 crosses, each one representing a day I spent at least 30 minutes writing. The result: I have written a (rough) first draft of my book and a decent first chapter.

If I had just relied on random moments willpower and motivation, instead of practical, realistic and achievable routines and habits, I still wouldn't have completed a single page of my book.

>> No.18902140

I just realised OP posted this nearly 6 hours ago. He's probably asleep or fapping himself to death right now. I'm going to keep bumping this until I go to bed so OP stands a chance of replying.

>> No.18902178

It's surprising to see so many positive comments for a self-help book on /lit/. I-Is the Author trying to shill his book? Is this marketing?

>> No.18902207

>>18902178
The book is a very useful tool. It's basically a manual for how to improve your life through the basic knowledge that action leads to change and that action is most easily implemented through habits.

Nothing is this book is mindblowing or earth shattering, but it is neatly condensed, very concise and to the point so anyone can understand it and implement it.

I downloaded it on b-ok in case you think I'm shilling and I advise everyone to do the same. The author has made his coin by now.

>> No.18902226

>>18902054
>>18902109
Also, OP, one thing that definitely helped me (something which isn't mentioned in the book as far as I can remember) is to constantly remind yourself of the good habits you want to build and the bad habits you wish to get rid of.

You have to realise the bad habits (in my case: procrastinating, over-eating, over-sleeping, not getting up early, not exercising, etc.) are ingrained and have become your "default" setting, your comfort zone if you will. You must actively oppose them and stop yourself from returning to this default comfort zone.

What helped me was record a message I had written to myself, which was basically just a list of things I wanted to improve, why I wanted to improve them and how I was going to improve them.

Then I would listen to that message throughout the day on my iPod. This made me aware of my ambitions and served as an external conscience, in a way. It kept me alert and focussed.

>> No.18902375

There are condensed summaries of this book available online, but I would suggest reading the entire book. The anecdotes and practical advice given along the way are quite valuable in making you remember and understand the theoretical/scientific points the book makes. If you just read the theory/science parts, the book probably will not inspire or captivate you as much and you might have trouble implementing the advice given.

It's such an easy and enjoyable read it won't take more than a couple of sittings to get through it all.

>> No.18902379

>>18902375
Captcha was L4ZYJ, by the way. That's destiny. Don't be a lazy J, OP, read the book.

>> No.18902575

Here's my hourly bump for OP.

Us undisciplined, no-good, lazy retards need to help one another.

>> No.18902729

I like how you named the picture of the book "this shit.jpg", OP

>> No.18902751

>>18900716
In my opinion, one or two self-improvement books is all you need. Any more and you risk turning into a self-help procrastinator, where all you do is study the theory but never actually apply it. Another possible side-effect of consuming too much self-improvement theory is using the gained knowledge to excuse yourself from doing something, i.e. it's 7 PM and could do some cardio but you read somewhere that physical exercise is better in the morning so you postpone it, excusing yourself by claiming it'd be better to do it in the morning and get the full benefit.

>> No.18902766

>>18902751
Keyed. Source: you just described me. Fuck, I'm pathetic.

>> No.18902771

>>18901636
This is true but at the same time there are psychological tricks and things that can help. Think about a guy that wanks too much for instance. He's basically running on autopilot. Something needs to break into that system and apply a sort of safemeasure to make him lucid before he engages in the behaviour he wants to stop.

>> No.18902821

>>18902766
What does keyed mean?

Also, don't feel bad about it. It is just a way your procrastinatory inclination manifests itself. Now you know procrastination is your enemy, you can do something about it. Find out what causes it and how you can prevent yourself from doing it. Then create very simple, effective steps to combat it and steadily implement them in your life. One step at a time, buddy.

>> No.18902864

I honestly think all self help books are bullshit.

If you are so far down in life that you need words on a piece of paper for you to feel a little better, then you need therapy.

>> No.18902868

>>18902864
>therapy
That's expensive.

>> No.18902902

>>18902868
Not everybody is American here anon

>> No.18902936

>>18902864
>If you are so far down in life that you need words on a piece of paper for you to feel a little better, then you need therapy.

And where do you think therapists get their knowledge from?

Also, books such as Atomic Habits weren't written to "make you feel a little better", as you put it, but rather to make you understand the reasons why the reader might not be achieving that which they wish to achieve in life while also supplying them with practical information on how to take charge of their life.

>> No.18902986

you can finish it in an afternoon, so why not just read it instead of contemplating whether you should

>> No.18903234

>>18902986
Correct mindset

>> No.18903255

>>18902864
Have you actually read any self help books?

>> No.18903270

>>18903255
Read his reply again..

>I honestly think all self help books are bullshit.

He has, in fact, read them ALL!

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>>18900703
It sucks
>>18900716
Those suck. You wont learn anything you dont already know. If anything it makes for good workplace conversation. So as audiobooks theyre far better than brainrotting radio but nowhere near a good book. You will simply coach yourself for 18 hours for what you already know. The worst self help books are for meditation. Im thinking The Mind Illuminated might be better but these are the archetypal self help trash. Appeals to success in business are a joke. You want promising inherent virtue you can immediately walk away with as a skill or fact or wise thought. These books just present successful people and construct narrow narratives around their success to coach you. You are better off fighting your own battles with specific clarity. The world is a lot smaller for you than it is for all those success story characters who only exist in those narratives that ignore literally any pressing matter of our age that worries anyone paying attention to anything important like: THE BANKS, THE GOVT, WOMEN. Success in spite of the obstacles doesnt sell because people dont like to hear about obstacles period. They just want to be told they can be a little less lazy and dumb if they just NO! They have no heroes journey! No grand goal! No purpose! No feeling! No consequence.

>> No.18903402

>>18902864
Right like some neurotic boomer in a sweater who is paid to snitch on me for being based and redpilled is going to make me feel good for losing hard earned money. Welcome to the tribe. Ugh. Touching grass, eat ice cream, read Buddha's own words but don't go to "therapy". If you do you have forgotten what words mean.

>> No.18903500

self helpbooks can be summarized in a midsize greentext.

someone please summarize atomic habits

>> No.18903660

>>18903354
>Success in spite of the obstacles doesnt sell because people dont like to hear about obstacles period. They just want to be told they can be a little less lazy and dumb if they just NO! They have no heroes journey! No grand goal! No purpose! No feeling! No consequence.

What in God's holy name are you blathering about? Atomic Habits is precisely about accepting obstacles, learning to live with them, yet succeeding anyway.

If you don't know the subject matter of what you're talking about, then don't bother posting, moron.

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>>18903500
how to start
>convert existing habits into what you want to do ("habit stacking")
how to keep going
>imagine personal momentum as compound interest of daily habits (reluctance to break streak even when bored or plateauing)
where to go
>breaking little personal records instead of thinking about bigger objectives (chunking, humble milestones)

>> No.18903802

This book felt like it was telling me to abandon my dreams/ambitions because they were ''too unrealistic''. Is that normal?

>> No.18903983

Self help is always the same ego driven trash by people who figured it all out (they haven't).
Stop being a loser and give money to these grifters. Instead of hunting some life changing answer to you problems go engage with real literature for true lasting self help.

>> No.18904004

>>18903983
nobody is giving any money to this guy. we've all pirated the book, you underaged motherfucker.

>> No.18904036

>>18903802
dreams rarely have permanent enthusiasm behind them. they only flare up sometimes. the main problem for most ppl is how to bridge the gap.
if you were captain ahab, you wouldn't have to read self-help books in the first place.

>> No.18904072

>>18903660
You are dealing with obstacles as nothing more specific than the word OBSTACLE. I did read the book it focuses on stupid shit like making your bed in the morning and having a good morning routine. The author is a baseball player business degree grad. You have no specific obstacle like I said. You have pathetic instances of minutia at best. I mentioned three grand bug mother of obstacles. Men are the sole economic powerhouse and their output is being devalued for credentializing females who actively decline not only all output but esteemed evaluation. Oh am I too erudite now or do you want me to go back to that trash self help and quote a passage of trash to pass your pop quiz credential?

>> No.18904132
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>>18904072
You know what? I do accept this faggy homework assignment. I would save my friends hundreds if not thousands of hours by sparing them the trouble of not reading time wasting garbage. An essay is on the way. I will give few examples of the epitome of how dumb books are poison. I will go deep into the semiotics or retard (((font)))

>> No.18904142

>>18904132
gracian's wordly wisdom is literally a self-help book compatible with atomic habits and schopenhauer translated it

>> No.18904145

>>18901636
JUST. DO. IT.

>> No.18904153

>>18904072
>Oh am I too erudite now
You needn't worry, there is very little chance of that ever happening.

>You have no specific obstacle like I said.
What if my obstacle is being unable to do that which I wish to do? What if my inability to control my urges and temptations is preventing me from achieving? Surely a book like Atomic Habits would give me the knowledge and practical understanding required to adjust these problems, no?

Also, how do you plan to stage a revolution if you don't have the discipline to get out of bed early and make your bed? The 5 AM alarm clock or the neatly folded bed aren't obstacles to overcome, they're tools and mechanisms to build inner mental strength and self-control, which you then implement later for bigger and better things than making your bed, but you have to start small.

>> No.18904167

>>18904145
That "Just Do It" shit is poisonous. It relies solely on the most simplistic form of willpower and motivation. It might work for an hour, maybe even half a day, but eventually you use up all of your willpower and are back to procrastinating again, only now you feel even worse than before because you consider yourself a failure for not being able to continually "just do it".

It's much better to rely on scientifically proven mechanisms and an understanding of yourself and your capabilities and how to grow them then to just get angry at yourself and shout JUS DO ET!!

>> No.18904196

>>18903354
Thank you for sharing your opinion anon. However, you don't sound like someone I want to be, so I won't be taking your advice. I'll stick to books that have a positive and constructive message. Cheers!

>> No.18904233

>>18904132
damn this nigga finna drop james clear yall

>> No.18904241

>>18904036
but...what if i've been developing those ambitions for year, realizing that it's what would work for me best, and the thought of them is what's been reinvigorating me and pushing me out of my suicidal moments? the problem, as you put it, is bridging the gap between where i am and where i want to arrive, and i guess i'm reading books like the one picture in op to get a better idea of how to efficiently get there. the breaking down of goals into ''realistic'' ones, while understandable and effective in a practical sense, seems a bit stifling, and that always bothered me. as in, it somewhat negates the higher aspirations in life.
then again, maybe i'm just a delusional fool.

>> No.18904343

>>18904241
nah brother, your mind is just full of bullshit like everyone else. you're overthinking it. if you want to write a book then write it and use editing to make it the book you want it to be. the bridge is the leap of faith, it is the decision to write and figure it out as you go. that is what most people here never do. we learn and read and argue and think but don't create anything new, because to do that we will risk failure, ridicule and falling short. So, enough of theory, commit or gtfo

>> No.18904434

>>18901636
not that easy, usually what stop people from "Just do it" is alot of deeply rooted insecurities resulting from childhood traumas or false paradigms, unless you deal with that any change is really just temporary burst of motivation and you will always return to the lazy default mode.

>> No.18904446

>>18904241
i dont see the contradiction.
of course the scientific approach to divide everything into manageable sub-problems isn't fully translatable to artistic domains. but there are enough heuristic guidelines and recommendations by previous generations, which help identify the right sub-skills to grind.

>> No.18904450

I read Tiny Habits. It was alright. It pumped me for awhile, then I quickly ignore it. The little I was doing eventually became nothing because it was so little. I think you truly need to work on the emotional with someone because I've been in this fight for more than 10 years without success. Failure after failure eventually just erodes hope and keeps turning it harder to tell yourself that now it will work. I have sleep issues, I have porn addiction, a little less now probably because I'm older. This is becoming hell. I beg you to seek professional help if you think this is ruining your life.

I tried meditation, time management, diary, gratitude/positive thinking, mushrooms, books on fear and emotional self healing, motivational material, and a bunch of other stuff. This is hell. Don't become me. You are inviting misery into your life. Wake up, man. This is your only chance. This is hell.

>> No.18904504

>>18904450
I have been there, my friend. Is there any way I can help? Ask me and I will try to give you advice I think is helpful for someone in your situation.

All I can say is that getting the basics absolutely right (for you) will have a massive impact.

The basics being sleeping well, eating well, getting the right amount of exercise and stopping the cycle of superficial dopamine hits (porn, internet, social media, etc.).

You need to research these basics and find out how you can successfully implement them in your life. That is your basis. From there, you have to figure out what you want, what is good for you and then figure out a way to achieve that through small, attainable changes to your daily life.

They're all very small steps forward, but eventually they add up and you put distance between your past and your present.

>I tried meditation, time management, diary, gratitude/positive thinking, mushrooms, books on fear and emotional self healing, motivational material, and a bunch of other stuff.
If the above doesn't work, I suggest voluntarily going homeless. It's extreme, but you will feel more alive than you ever have when you're out on the street and actually living and surviving instead of merely existing.

>> No.18904698

>>18904504
Like I said, sleep still is a problem for me. I don't think porn is responsibe for this whole debacle, but it's getting easier to go three days without any indulgence. This is my last resort. I already eat well and walk substantially too, everyday (but don't really exercise). I'm slender. I have a friend (online) that is always eager to talk to me about it, but we kind of have these conversations in the past and I don't bother to pester him about it anymore because I value his friendship. He outted many of his demons, with the occasional relapse, but is truly doing great. He's kind of a role model for me, in a way.

I considered many times doing something crazy like that, but desu I think putting a rope in my neck is more considerate over my mother care for me. She doesn't deserve to live her life wondering where I am or why passing through.

Anyway, this is more of a piece of advise for those going through something like this: don't let it happen. Do something now while time is on your side. It's on my side still, but the clock ticks mercilessly.

>> No.18904825

>>18904698
Porn might not be solely responsible for it, but it's very detrimental nonetheless. It says a lot about a man when he spends his time indulging in one of the worst vices out there. It means he has no control over his primal urges and no self-respect.

But you can change that. You know you can. Three days can turn into three weeks if you write out a plan and stick to it. Three weeks can turn into three months if you stay focussed. Three months, three years, a lifetime.

> It's on my side still, but the clock ticks mercilessly.
Don't let time hold you hostage. See your "lesser days" as a painful, yet valuable lesson. Once you start appreciating life and feeling worthy (note: not necessarily a "happy" life, but a meaningful one) you will want to live every day of it to its fullest extent, no matter what age you are. You will look back at your dark days and understand that you simply had not the knowledge, skills or facility to change yourself. Once you acquire these elements necessary through change, however, you will yearn for the morning and make the best of each day. But you must be honest about your vices and accept the fact you might have to start from a real low position before you can even begin to dream big. But, considering you sound near enough suicidal, anything is better than feeling the apathy engulfing you right now, is it not?

Anyway, I'm not very tech-savvy or anything but if there's a way we can chat (if you want to), I'm willing to give it a go.

>> No.18904938

>>18904825
Thanks for the words. Sometimes I feel a key part of getting it done consistently is to have that feeling of worthiness and sense of progression always on the top of the mind, which is hard because the feeling shitty mentality is always in the corner and then a week later of nothing preys on any good track record I might have to keep doing it and is level zero again. Was you really in the same boat? Can you write just a bit about that?

>> No.18904967

>>18903354
>WOMEN
what

>> No.18904992

>>18900703
Just do mushrooms instead much healthier way to come to important realizations than relying on self-help lit

>> No.18905135

>>18904938
My life was basically just lying in bed and refreshing the same 3 websites. I didn't feel like I had the energy or motivation or reason to do anything else. I couldn't even listen to a song or watch a film, because I wasn't capable of holding attention or because I feared the song or film or whatever would make me slightly happy. And whenever I became slightly happy, it caused me to realise just how terrible I felt before so I prevented myself from being happy. Once in a while the apathy would make way for intense depression and I would either bury myself further or feel a sparkle of hatred for my situation and this would make me try to actually do something about it. Usually this would end up in half a day "doing stuff" (like cleaning my room or doing some exercises) and making great plans of how I would beat depression and how I would live productively every day, etc etc. But the next day I would simply revert to my bad habits and do nothing.

>Sometimes I feel a key part of getting it done consistently is to have that feeling of worthiness and sense of progression always on the top of the mind
That's what I used to think, too. But then I realised feelings of worthiness, motivation and progress are generated by taking action, not the other way round. Basically, I knew I couldn't rely on motivation or willpower, so I had to condition myself to accept this knowledge and then condition myself (by repeatedly trying and failing and trying) to do daily, beneficial habits that would improve my situation. Small things like reading 5 pages of a book or writing a paragraph or journalling my thoughts. Tiny, tiny things but I scheduled them into my day and forced myself to do them. It's like I was re-programming myself. And the more consistent I was, the better I started feeling. Of course, I still had bad days. I had bad weeks. I had bad months. Times when my mind was flooded with the old excuses and I would feel completely apathetic. But I taught myself to recognise that this is just my primitive mind trying to make me conserve energy by reverting back to old habits and doing nothing. All humans have a natural urge to revert back to their comfort zone. My comfort zone is lying in bed and feeling sad for myself and numbing my mind with rubbish internet stuff. Now I know these are just thoughts and feelings, they can not physically hold me back from doing something. I treat these thoughts as suggestions that I can live with without having to indulge in them.

>> No.18905224

>>18905135
>>18904938
> then a week later of nothing preys on any good track record I might have to keep doing it and is level zero again.

I know that feeling. I have a terrible "the day is ruined" mentality. It used to be so bad that if I woke up ten minutes after my scheduled wake-up time, I would think "well, I didn't wake up early enough, what's the point in doing anything today?" and just spend it lying around doing nothing again. Although "doing nothing" isn't the right description. I was doing something. I was numbing my mind and my feelings with constant internet usage. This is something I had to come to terms with as well, that I was actively destroying my lust for life.

No work, no friends (literally no friends, not this cute Hollywood shit where they're surrounded by people - no, I literally had nobody. The only person I talked to for years was my mother, not even internet friends), no money, no nothing. I went through it all for years, hating myself and trying to forget I even existed by numbing every emotion as much as I could.

I can give you some practical tips for what helped me get out of that situation:
> Type out a little text that will inspire you at when you wake up early in the morning and you feel like doing nothing at all. Make sure you exactly what it is you want to do (good habits) and why they are good for you. Then record yourself saying that (it's cringe, I know, but do it) and listen to it first thing in the morning while you brush your teeth. You're going to brush your teeth anyway (I hope) so just couple it with that. Listen to it every time you brush your teeth and you will feel slightly more inspired throughout the day, but more importantly: you will be reminded of your path - of what it is you must do in order to improve. Force yourself to do these things. Force it, no matter how much you fear the failure or think it won't be fun. Force it, you won't die.
>Take a piece of paper and write down the list of beneficial habits you want to do each day. Start small, make sure they are attainable habits and actions. Make sure there is some space behind each habit/action because you are going to make a cross behind them each day you perform them. Now put this piece of paper in your pocket (or the way I did it: put it in your underwear so you physically feel it all day). This is what I had to do to get myself to do the most basic things.

Again, you must force yourself. Realise that you are fighting an internal wish to revert back to old habits. The only way you defeat it is by doing beneficial habits. The more you do it, the easier it becomes. You have to trust this process. Don't worry if you fail or make mistakes, you can learn from them. You're alive, you haven't given up yet. If you're losing your soul and you know it, then you've still got a soul left to lose.

Atomic Habits went a long way in making all of this clear for me. I hope I'm not rambling.

>> No.18905812

Power of Now seems like the most universally helpful self-help book, but there's so many good tips in it that it's hard to keep them in mind

>> No.18905947

>>18905135
>>18905224
>But then I realised feelings of worthiness, motivation and progress are generated by taking action, not the other way round.
I like it how you inverted that and it makes a lot of sense that anchoring on the byproduct of these actions is more fulfilling.

I identified a lot with your second post. I used to leave pieces of paper with small notes on what to tackle in the smallest possible form. That's something that was more effective and I don't do it anymore.

Thanks for the insight, anon. It's good to know that there's someone real out there that more or less shared the same struggle and got out of it. It's one thing to imagine, but actually read such a reflective bit of experience gives more hope and one more thing to cling on.

>> No.18906031

>>18900703

This book helped a lot with dropping negative habits of mine but had very little effect on positive ones. A lot of it is based around developing a routine which is supposed to be the easy part but I can't do it to save my life.

>> No.18906048

>>18900703

I really never got a hang of the habit stacking thing, it kinda feels like a bullshit concept to me. I can't think of a single habit of mine it actually applies to and trying to stack habits has not worked out for me. Has it worked for anyone else?

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This is a stupid thing to ask, but is it possible to cultivate a healthy tenacity or is it something that can only be engrained within your personality during the formative years of your life (childhood & adolescence)?

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>>18900703
It didn't help.

>> No.18906307

>>18906273
we had two good threads about that picture last night. dont be addicted to melancholy.

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>>18906307
To the practiced indolent self-help books and considerations are but a recreational retreat. Just another obfuscation of action, one more interminate increment in the Zeno's paradox called modern life. Avolition is a home and monolith that only topples from the outside, redemption is chanced not chased.

>> No.18906408

>>18906387
you are reveling the inaction, anon.

>> No.18906413

>>18906307
>we had two good threads about that picture last night. dont be addicted to melancholy.

Link

>> No.18906436 [DELETED] 

>>18906408
Surely you'd not credit that one 'does' a reflex, or even that a collection of reflexes constitutes one 'one'.

>> No.18906465

>>18906413
>>>18900416
>>>18900295

>> No.18907222

>>18906465
awful threads

>> No.18908175

>>18900703
OP, you still with us?

>> No.18908313

>>18908175
Yes, right here. I'm really happy and grateful to see the overwhelming amount of good faith & valuable insight that everybody has brought. This really made me more optimistic. Thank you all. And also many thanks to the anon who kept bumping the thread.
And yes >>18902140 i was asleep.

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>>18900716
>tfw unironically procrastinating on finishing the war of art
I'm not gonna fucking make it.........

>> No.18908986

>>18908313
>And also many thanks to the anon who kept bumping the thread.
That was me and it was my pleasure, old bean. Now, are you going to read the book?

>> No.18909257

>>18900703
Atomic Habits gets boring really fast.
He just made it long for no reason. He talks about the same idea for pages but doesn't say anything new just in a different format