/lit/ - Literature

Hey look! A complete moron!

>giving a shit about levels of diction in 2011

>poetic german is so grating on the ears it makes well dressed gentlemen want to jump from a cliff into the ocean to their deaths

>>1889482
you just know german words like "scheiße" und "nazi", so what do you know. Germanfag here, if youve ever red Schiller or Arthur Schnitzler or Poems from Goethe, you wouldnt talk shit like this. moron

>>1889520

6 million jews later and still nobody cares. Your crys to be noticed have gone unheard, Germany. You're just a beta in an alphas body.

>>1889520
Oh stop it, you're just mad your mother tongue manages to sound more disgusting than any dialect of portuguese, or any other language for that matter

>>1889520
>red
>>1889520
>crys

>/lit/ arguments

>>1889542
Way better than a Beta in a betabody.

>>1889562
>>1889556
>>1889542

And I thought this board is kinda "intelligent" but its like /b/, "nazi-jewblabla". This is so lame.

>>1889931

I'll start being nice to Germans when Germans stop trying to turn my home into a 3rd world country.

>>1889931

let me guess.

greece?

German is a pretty horrible language, that's why people developed english which is like german 2.0.

Germanic languages in general sound pretty shit. You ever listen to someone speak Dutch?

>>1889942
That one actually applies to most countries as germany won't stop exporting and start financing itself, instead of selling their shit to other countries that should know better.

>>1889942

Irishfag, but close.

Greece, with any luck, will be the ones to take your empire out for the 3rd time in a hundred years.

>>1889953

so its the germans fault, that you cant handle your property and their values?
Ive heard a rumour like this, that germany wants to turn ireland into a 3rd world country. this is just weird

>>1889963
It is. Germany and France are slowly turning their fiscal might towards economic imperialism. Ireland and Greece will be the first to be puppetized, then the Iberians will follow.

>>1889976

so if it is the fault of germany and france, why dont you save your asses by yourself?

uh, no money, no funny honeybunny

I don't think that makes much sense, OP.

>>1889983

I think you should read your own sentences. Why don't poor people improve their surrounding enviroment? Mostly due to a lack of funds to do so, actually. Sure we're getting huge loans, but we're using them to pay off loans to the same people giving us the loans!

It was bad American investors who knocked the German and French market up abit who then recalled their loans who collapsed the rest of Europe and then RAEG'D that no one had the money. Despite the fact that Germany, France and the ECB knew where the money was going (And the ECB being a centralised banking system should have been aware if the debt levels and investments were feasible) and wether or not it would work.

Long story short you done goofed and your politicians should eat sand and ratshit for the next thousand years. You don't know how it feels to see a guy who used to work in a local store homeless on the street 6 months later.

inb4 rage.

English is probably the most poetic of any major language..particularly how our words and conventions are flexible..William Shakespeare was the greatest writer of all time. Goethe isn't even second best. Although I like his poem about slenderman

Precisely, English is so flexible that it barely displays any difficulty. Moreover, it doesn't sound that good. I mean, it's a very sputtering, hissing, almost babbling idiom. There is some good English poetry for sure, but nothing paticularly astounding. Shakespeare is certainly revered in non-anglophone countries, yet more as a playwright than a poet per se. In a way, English is like plastic, you see. Whereas German, harsh though it sounds, would be more like... marble?

>>1890171
as a native english speaker and somebody who's read Shakespeare
>nope
and
>nope
languages like italian, spanish, and french have english beat in poetic ability hands down. also, shakespeare is a bad poet and a horrible playwrite.

>>1890206
I would say German sounds more like a fat woman getting raped in her ass and English sounds more like musical atonality.
>>1890210
I call summerfag..only school boys will say Shakespeare was a terrible writer, and thinking the romance languages are even decent for poetry just means you're enchanted because they are exotic, and more ''obscure''...hipster summerfag

>>1890171

"I love the language, that soft bastard Latin,
Which melts like kisses from a female mouth,
And sounds as if it should be writ on satin,
With syllables which breathe of the sweet South,
And gentle liquids gliding all so pat in,
That not a single accent seems uncouth,
Like our harsh northern whistling, grunting guttural,
Which we’re obliged to hiss, and spit, and sputter all."

(Byron)

>>1890214
Agreed. Also the idea of the English language not "displaying difficulty" is complete and utter bullshit. I'm not even certain of what you're trying to say, so please elaborate.

>>1890210

> Not a schoolboy
> Thinks Shakespeare is over-rated

For flexibility of language it's probably Slavic languages since they don't have definite or indefinite articles and word order isn't strict like it is in Latin languages.

For just the sounds it's gonna be French, English, Spanish or Japanese. Lots of soft sibilences, round plosives. None of the glottal stops you'll get in German or even the more pleasant (But not great) Gaelic languages.

> Source: Studying the human voice. Psychoacoustics, baby!

>>1890230
Psychoacoustics sounds pretty rad, to be honest. I still think that English has a kind of amorphous form, which is great for producing new words, and giving names to new concepts..maybe the slavic languages are just too flexible, although that region does produce some very avant-garde work. When it comes to the sound of language, and what is and isn't pleasing, I suppose I would give french a little credit--but I stand firmly on the side of the English language..I also like how intuitive it is in use..some people say that this makes it ''too easy'' but really it just makes for a ''organic'' kind of development..French poetry was so held back by the strict conventions of use, which is why Rimbaud and Celine were so scandalous for using Argot in ''serious'' literature..honestly Rimbaud was not that great of a poet..he just said things that most people only think

>>1890214
No language is particularly prone to be poetic. The logic and the music of romance poetry do not function like those of saxon languages. Whereas English poetry has always tended to focus on what is booming, spectacular, astounding etc., which is why the English have never understood very much of "romance" poetic movements, where nuances, music, restriction, suggestiveness and minimalism have often prevailed.

>>1890250

Well English is probably one of the most liberal latin languages in terms of phonology, sentence structure and vocabulary. We will borrow from other languages on a whim in English, we will MAKE words rhyme if they don't : "The kind man hailed with hello's to the man who manned the bellows". We break the more arbirtary rules to fit the greater context.

And as you said we will make up words for effect - the infamous Jabberwocky conffigles that idea very well. And again we'll make words fit where they dont for effect: "The tortoise goes movey, movey", a now infamous short poem by a child.

What sounds better is subjective, yes. More often then not we consider it the "Mother tounge" but often that is due to how we have learned to hear language. A Japanese person may not enjoy English poetry readings because when they hear use softly putting inflexions on L, D or R sounds they might only actually hear this one sound that they identify as a combination of those 3 sounds. The ear normalizes the information to what it expects and it's very hard to break that once you enter your older years, though it can be done.

German owns, English owns, everybody be nice to each other bitte.

>>1890250
"[Rimbaud] just said things that most people only think" What do you mean? That's not true, not true at all. I mean most people don't even know what his poems are about. And he's not known for dismanteling the French verse, (it would rather be Hugo, and Verlaine), since he evolved towards prose. What makes you say that? And why do you talk of Céline, he's not even a poet? Formal constraints have produced great things, only in the XVIIIth century did it start to grow dry and uninspired. Do you even know what you're talking about?

>>1890284

Nobody really cares. Sorry.

>>1890269
Take your hippie bullshit somewhere else.

>>1890291
No, sorry. Love you!

>>1890225
It's the resistance of the language that produces the most compelling music, and the most touching images. Like plastic and marble, to repeat the above analogy.

>>1890250
Don't talk of me if you haven't read my work, please.