/lit/ - Literature

I frequently imagine myself giving interviews about my latest book. I haven't started writing it yet, but surely just thinking about it will improve my writing... right bros?

>>18898108
Interesting. Is it a fiction or a nonfiction book?

>>18898135
It's a dystopian fiction about the education system.

>>18898158
Based

>>18898099
not a single thing

shitpost on 4chan
steal anons ideas and writing styles

>>18898158
So what's wrong with the education system in your fictional universe?

>>18898251
Why not?

>>18898306
What's the writing style you've stolen?

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>>18898332
How do you improve your writing skills?

>>18898324
rupi kaurs green text style without meme arrows.

as well as butterflies.
she posted here so much i was able to run all her posts through an AI.

im currently doing it with elsa of arendelles posts on /pol/

>>18898361
Wait, what? Sorry, I'm dumb. I didn't understand what you said. Would you mind to elaborate a bit?

I approve this influx in Dubuposting

Also, to answer your question OP
1. Just fucking write, return to it later and revise it, repeat ad infinitum
2. Pick an author whose work you admire, pick one of their works and copy it. Hunter S. Thompson used to spend hours copying Fitzgerald's works in order "to get a sense of his writing rhythm"
3. Study those "on writing" type of books

i drink and take a lot of drugs
this is what i wrote last time

>is it get our shortness
>beyond the moon

>>18898399
if namefags arent bots already then they will be.

>>18898406
Hello, JYB. I freaking love the song you recorded with Rain.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noEhgQ0hI6M

>1. Just fucking write, return to it later and revise it, repeat ad infinitum.

How do you know if you're actually improving? Do you just go with your gut feeling, or do you use some kind of metric to measure if the text is better than it was before?

>2. Pick an author whose work you admire, pick one of their works and copy it.

Dude. I often see myself copying the styles of the books that I've just read and enjoyed. This is definitely something that could help us to change how we write.

>3. Study those "on writing" type of books.

Do you have any recommendations?

>>18898507
>How do you know if you're actually improving?
Well one obvious metric would be if your text is grammatically and/or stylistically sound, but I usually go with my gut and ask myself "did I like what I read, was what I was trying to say conveyed through the text, etc" and if you answer with "no" follow up by asking yourself "why not and how can I fix this."
Lastly, ask other people to proofread your work since they might spot mistakes and shit that you don't even see anymore, this might be harder than it sounds tho

Don't really have a lot of recommendations sadly, since I haven't read a lot of those sort of books but if I remember right there must be a chart floating around on the lit wiki. I am reading the Cambridge Introduction to Narrative at the moment, so you could start there

Also, what's your favorite Twice song?

nobody ITT knows what white even means.
The concept is a social construct that points to more than just skin color
that's why a darker ethnic southern Spaniard may look whiter than an especially white ethnic Syrian.
But that Spaniard is white and that levantine is not.

>>18899077
based schizo

>>18899034
You seem to have a good process for improving your writing.

>ask other people to proofread your work since they might spot mistakes and shit that you don't even see anymore

I can relate to this 100. I'm often ask myself "what was I thinking?" when I go through my old papers. It hurts, man.

>Don't really have a lot of recommendations sadly

It's okay, don't worry. If you find a great book about writing, you can give me a holler at Discord:

SwimmingDuck#8993

What's my favorite song from Twice? Damn, that's a though question. I grew up with Likey. And I didn't like More & More at first, but that changed quickly.

But my fav? Trick it, and Feel Special. But I gotta admit that I might like their covers more than their actual songs.

When Twice covered Sunmi:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfjsmKvMDJk

When Twice covered Taemin:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTfzryUBlO0

It was awesome to see them try different concepts.

I'm legit happy for meeting a person who posts JYB and is also into literature.

>>18899505
Think of it like learning to drive a car, theory and whatnot helps with creating familiarity, but soon enough you've got to make miles. You could be capable of writing the best novel ever, however, you'll never find out unless you start writing. Hell, keeping a journal is already a decent start

>>18898406
Sometimes when I'm stuck I just pick some short story I liked and retell the story with my own words. It's a fine exercise as you don't have to waste time on plotting but you get to be able to focus or emphasize different elements of the story if you feel like.

>>18899714
I like your analogy. We gotta write and read what we have written.

I also think that we can improve by reading and analyzing text that we dislike. That way we can avoid making the same errors.

>>18898099
I wrote

>>18898424
Based and menletpilled

>>18899505
>I'm legit happy for meeting a person who posts JYB and is also into literature.

What about RV?

>>18898099
this is a good thread.
i'd like to ask you bros: generally, what's the optimal amount of daily writing that should be set down?

>>18898099
I think all the way through a sentence before I write it, and I say it out loud as if I'm talking to someone I know over lunch. This instantly improved my writing.

>>18901757
To take advantage of neuroplasticity you'll want to do at least an hour a day in sections not much shorter than thirty minutes each.

>>18898099
Dahyun is the official /lit/ waifu

>>18901822
I respectfully disagree

MOAR TIPS

Nothing. My writing is so bad. Like middle schoolers write better than me. It's so bad almost every thread someone is calling me an ESL even though I'm not. I've tried to write because I have good ideas but it's just so bad. I've read grammar books but it does nothing.

I samefag a lot in various threads on 4chan, usually by pretending to be another anon in the thread. I study their way of writing and then try to imitate it. I often make outrageous claims that would make that specific anon seem like a retard, regardless if he's right or not.

>>18902332
>>18902332
>I often make outrageous claims that would make that specific anon seem like a retard, regardless if he's right or not.
Do you have an example of this?

>>18902330
anons arent really the people you want to show your first first draft to.
check your local library or uni if they have a writing center.

>>18902330
Holy kek you write just like me

>>18900215
Not a bad and certainly useful, however I would give precedence over analyzing texts that you like or are good since I assume that you're aiming at producing something good as well
>>18901714
Queendom didn't really click with me, but Red Flavor is the GOAT summer jam
>>18902330
>I've read grammar books but it does nothing.
Maybe try books on narrative instead

Started writing poetry. Focusing on verses instead of prose is helping me to make every line matter. The hardest part of novels for me is filling lines, like "he opened the door and climbed the stairs". It sounds so boring and stupid I want to die every time I write one of that.

>>18903170
>he opened the door and climbed the stairs
It does serve its purpose though. I often find myself trying to explain in complex and beautiful ways things that are rather really simple and inconsequential. Of course, style matters, at least for me. But trying to be romantic or poetic at all times can be a problem. The next time that you read a well-known author try searching for those simple lines, I assure you that you'll find tons.

>>18901822
Yejibros what is this guy talking about?

>>18898507
How many of those girls do you think he smashed?

>>18898099
Hunter s Thompson used to copy the works of Hemmingway and Fitzgerald word for word to try and get a sense of how their writing flowed.
haven't tried it personally but if it helped him it could help us.

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>>18903349
Do Asian Q.Ts actually like white men or do they just go for them because they're seen as exotic and usually more wealthy/successful.
Like I've seen so many middle-class white men punching well above their weight class with pretty east asian (usually chinese) wives.

>>18903537
being the only white guy in a hundred miles might give you slight advantage. There's probably a lot you can say in regards to cultural differences making attractive partners and so on

>>18903537
My wife is Chinese. It's true. Better than than western brainwashed trash here in America (regardless of race)

>>18901822
Yes. Definitely. She's also into literature.

I would really like to read JYB's autobiography 'Live For What?'. I've read that he said the book would be translated into English, but I've not noticed any English translations on the market yet lol. Do I really have to learn Korean to read a damn autobiography?

>>18901714
Y'all good too. Welcome to the club!

>>18901771
Yo, this 100. I've read the books Claude Hopkins and David Ogilvy. They were two really famous advertisers back in the day – I believe that Claude Hopkins was the first person to look at marketing like a scientists.

Anyway, they both agreed that copywriters should write the same way as they speak in real life. So if you don't use fancy words like "equilibrium" when you speak to grandma, you should avoid using them when you sit down to write.

>>18902116
What do you need help with?

>>18902330
Bro, I've had the same issue. My grammar was really bad before, and it still is. I can spot errors in my own texts right after I've published them.

But I believe that grammar is overrated. There are many people who write great content in broken English.

>>18903023
> I would give precedence over analyzing texts that you like or are good since I assume that you're aiming at producing something good as well.

Yes. I've studied Dale Carnegie's 'How to Win Friends and Influence People' religiously. I believe it's one of the most sold books each year? But that's not the reason why I wanted to talk about him.

Rudolph Flesch, the first person to analyze text like a scientist (Flesch score), said that Dale Carnegie's book is the best written textbook ever – period.

And I have to agree with him. It's the first book that I truly enjoyed, and it got me into reading. I legit couldn't put it down. I read it in the school bus, on the lunch breaks, in the bathroom – I read it everywhere. It was like fucking magic.

I believe that Carnegie is a really underrated writer BECAUSE he is so popular. Maybe we bookish people believe that we're too good for his books. A book that's read by people who dislike reading can't be good literature, right?

I think that's wrong. But what do you think?

>>18903426
Hmm, let me think. He's a Christian in faith, so maybe zero?

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>>18903284
Yes. I don't believe that simple writing is going to win us any literary awards, but I like it.

I think we should test which style fits our purpose the best – if possible.

>>18903668
>I think that's wrong. But what do you think?
I haven't read it yet, so I can't say anything specific about him or his book. I'll check it out
Personally I think that, in general, self-help books fall somewhere between non-fiction essays and textbooks, like, they try to convey some lessons as a textbook does through the medium of essay-style prose, if that makes any sense

>A book that's read by people who dislike reading can't be good literature, right?
Of course it can still be well written, I like Peterson's style of writing for example, but I believe that a lot of people who dislike reading but still gravitate towards these types of books do so not for the sake of reading but because they hope to learn something from a specific book or author

>>18903493
Sounds a bit like a grind now honestly. It seems like a very romanticized "writer" thing to do, and I would like to possibly try it myself and get proven wrong, but something tells me Thompson might have gotten so much out of that exerciser primarily because he was tripping balls when he did it.

>>18903632
No actually all people are people capable of either vice or virtue, and Chinese women are not these magic vessels of virginity. White women (or American women in general) are not all corrupted whores.

>>18903668
>Y'all good too. Welcome to the club!
Thanks anon, I think Twice is pretty cute too to tell the truth, and I suppose I like alcohol-free by them.

>>18903537
They like us for the same reasons we like them! But Sluggy is too pure for any man, white or otherwise. Pic related.

>>18903023
>Queendom didn't really click with me, but Red Flavor is the GOAT summer jam
Definitely understandable. Queendom is a favorite of mine now, but it is also my first comeback with them, so if you already have an attachment to their 2017 era, it might not feel quite as exciting as it did then.

>>18902330
Grammar doesn't matter as much as you might think it does. Just find your voice anon! J.D. Salinger wrote The Catcher in the Rye, one of the best books of all time in my opinion, in an incredibly juvenile and easy to understand prose style. Flowery language can come later; just write something you believe in!

>>18902332
That is pretty funny. I would also like to hear examples of this.

>>18903349
Pic related is /lit/'s real official waifu

>>18903840
>Hmm, let me think. He's a Christian in faith, so maybe zero?
This.
JYP is actually thought to be part of a denomination that most South Koreans regard to be a cult. I had a teacher who is Korean and is actually involved in the exact same group. She really wants me to convert to it actually, but I am probably not going to. On my best days I am Roman Catholic and on my worst I'm agnostic.

>>18903668
I've studied Dale Carnegie's 'How to Win Friends and Influence People' religiously.
I want to get into it again. I remember being a little too young to grasp its impact the first time I read through it.

>>18904282
>Sounds a bit like a grind now honestly.
I tried it both sober and stoned and it worked for me, although I recommend you do it sober

>>18903875
I want you to know how excited I am to hear that. How to Win Friends and Influence People is a pageturner. I know that it's not a scientific book, but it has stood the test of time. The book is about to turn 100 years old very soon.

I know that many well-educated people hate the book. They think Carnegie is ridiculous. Who are pathetic people who must read a book about making friends? Well, Warren Buffet is one.

Carnegie tells stories and uses anecdotes to prove his points. And it works. He has managed to woo millions of people – including me. I would love to know what you think about his style.

>>18904282
>Grammar doesn't matter as much as you might think it does.

I couldn’t agree with you more. I think that I’ve spent too much time worrying about my grammar. Having the best grammar doesn’t make anyone a good writer. If that was the case, I guess all the English teachers would be swimming in cash. But we know that it ain’t so. Thanks for mentioning 'The Catcher in the Rye'. I think I will have to check it out.

>I had a teacher who is Korean and is actually involved in the exact same group.

Haha. What subjects did she teach to you? I like many religious people, even though I’m not a hardcore Christian myself. I like to study the Bible, religions, and philosophy in general. I’ve gained so much from reading Alan Watts, Karen Armstrong, and Karl Popper (yes, the father of modern science). I think that many non-believers make a huge mistake when they actively try to avoid everything that’s associated with the word religion.

>I want to get into it again. I remember being a little too young to grasp its impact the first time I read through it.

Just go for it, man. If you are anything like me, it will be hard for you to put the book back down once you have started reading it. And if you want to talk about the book with someone who is also into literature and Korean fine art, give me a shout. You can add me on Discord:
SwimmingDuck#8993. I wanna hear your opinion!