/lit/ - Literature

it doesn't matter either way

who cares

>>18886839
I hate youn

>>18886845
your mom last night

>>18886814
>>a-ah... *slight disapproving face*
i can only interpret this like they interpret you are bragging about your culture. if its not this why they slightly disapprove borges or plato?... are they full culture accelarionists or what?.

this board made me lonely and depressed, fuck books and fuck this board, I only can share it with a bunch of narcissistic NEETs on Internet, bye

>>18886898
>accelarionists
no, they're just illiterate turbo-normies

Are you unironically a retard? Just tell them what you are doing. I live in Brazil's countryside and people around here are ok.

>>18886814
>reads all this philosophy and still feeling shame
Is this the fruit of 'starting with the greeks'?

>>18886918
There's a social obscurantism here is that consists in that everything out of the normie visual field that looks smart is seen as alien. I can't believe Brazil is less obscurantist than us

youre a socially inept retard. nobody will look at you weird for saying youre reading plato or borges or learning greek. unless youre a pompous cunt

>>18886914
why a normie disapprove borges?.

>>18886814
It doesn't matter we are, what matters is our plan

Normies hate everything I do like I emanate ABNORMAL radiation only they can see. I said thank you to the man while buying food today and he said "ah, a-ah, ah-hah-hah..." Then I walked back to my apartment and a lady was going in at the same time as me and opened the door before I could get my keys so I said "oh, thanks a lot" and she went "ahh.. ah, ah-hah.."

I wouldn't be surprised at this point if I said "hello" to someone and they said "h-haha, ooookay bud.."

>>18886986
it's quite above the average here. Imagine where the average is... new age, self-help, trendy books, harry potter, etc. but a lot of people doesn't even read

>>18886982
Not OP but I myself am pretty socially competant person. I got loads if not all normie friends and they see me as one of them. Every time we talk about a deeper subject their brains stop working and we end hl changi g thr subject. I like them but dont want to risk losing friends by acting like a pretentious smartass that reads philosophy.

>>18886982
maybe in an other country

Just wait until you're reading hyper specific dry-as-dirt non-fiction and you have to answer that question
>anon, what are you reading?
>oh, uh, "an economic theory of democracy" by downs
>what's that about?
>it's an attempt to apply economic analysis to political decision making...
>what, you have to read that for school? how do you stay awake reading that?
>n-no, just for fun
>hahaha, sorry!
Now imagine you're a repeat visitor to this place and you have to answer the same question for a different book every time you visit. At least overtime it becomes a bit of a running gag. I know they can smell my autism, but it's at such an advanced stage that it is almost treated an eccentricity.

>>18886944
Nah, just a perfect case of human retardation

>>18886814
1. Who cares what other people think?
2. i've never had a conversation in which i would have to affirm or deny that I was "a reader", what kind of people are you spending time with? Consider upgrading to better people.
3. Who cares what other people think?

>>18887012
still i dont know why they slightly disapprove?. you have to know him to disapprove him. that or they think you are bragging and they think you are too trash to brag like that in front of them. either way, explain your view.

>>18887008
Things like “manners” or “common courtesy” don’t exist anymore. It’s a result of the negroification of the West. It’s a nigger world and there are niggers everywhere.

>>18887076
I moved to Seattle from the south and I noticed nobody here says "thanks" or "no problem" back, or says sorry for almost bumping into eachother, or anything like that. It's like everyone has headphones on and assumes everyone else is a stranger.

Sometimes you get noticeably friendly people but for the most part everyone is focused on themselves and treats other humans like semi-mobile obstacles, same as any other obstacle. You have to really wake them up to get them to spool up the part of their brain designed for dealing with other people as equals.

>>18887109
You get too many people together in one place and we start to break down for whatever reason.

>>18886814
You’re just an insecure pseud.

>>18887109
Yeah that’s exactly what I meant. I live in Iowa and the cities are worse than the rural parts but everywhere has gotten noticeably worse in the last 1.5 years.

>>18886814
>should I hide my true self and act normal and say that I don't read
All you have to do is say:
>I’m reading some Greek author

Because literally no one cares what you’re reading. They are just making small talk. Burro.

>>18887122
Seems like it.

>During the past century the successive advances in technology have been accompanied by corresponding advances in organization. Complicated machinery has had to be matched by complicated social arrangements, designed to work as smoothly and efficiently as the new instruments of production. In order to fit into these organizations, individuals have had to deindividualize themselves, have had to deny their native diversity and conform to a standard pattern, have had to do their best to become automata.

>The dehumanizing effects of over-organization are reinforced by the dehumanizing effects of over-population. Industry, as it expands, draws an ever greater proportion of humanity's increasing numbers into large cities. But life in large cities is not conducive to mental health (the highest incidence of schizophrenia, we are told, occurs among the swarming inhabitants of industrial slums); nor does it foster the kind of responsible freedom within small self-governing groups, which is the first condition of a genuine democracy. City life is anonymous and, as it were, abstract. People are related to one another, not as total personalities, but as the embodiments of economic functions or, when they are not at work, as irresponsible seekers of entertainment. Subjected to this kind of life, individuals tend to feel lonely and insignificant. Their existence ceases to have any point or meaning.

>Biologically speaking, man is a moderately gregarious, not a completely social animal -- a creature more like a wolf, let us say, or an elephant, than like a bee or an ant. In their original form human societies bore no resemblance to the hive or the ant heap; they were merely packs. Civilization is, among other things, the process by which primitive packs are transformed into an analogue, crude and mechanical, of the social insects' organic communities. At the present time the pressures of over-population and technological change are accelerating this process. The termitary has come to seem a realizable and even, in some eyes, a desirable ideal. Needless to say, the ideal will never in fact be realized. A great gulf separates the social insect from the not too gregarious, big-brained mammal; and even though the mammal should do his best to imitate the insect, the gulf would remain. However hard they try, men cannot create a social organism, they can only create an organization. In the process of trying to create an organism they will merely create a totalitarian despotism.
(Huxley)

>>18887132
Whenever I go out to the country suddenly everybody waves and is friendly. It's not even a slight difference, it's cartoonish how much of a contrast it is, like a parody.

>>18887109
https://www.blackwellpublishing.com/content/bpl_images/content_store/sample_chapter/0631225137/bridge.pdf

>>18886952
What are you talking about? It is not like I can talk about things with anyone, but they don't care if I'm doing this or that. You should probably get into college or something.

>>18886982
unless youre a pompous cunt

But that's exactly it: for many people just answering (when asked!) that you're reading something they consider difficult is enough to be labeled as a pompous cunt. I've never bragged about these things but it turns out it's not enough. You have to actively conceal your interests to get along. It includes procuring false or evasive answers to such questions. That's my experience and I envy you if your situation is different.

I told a girl I met through friends last month that I was reading a dry as fuck book about farming and she thought it was cute and ended up tugging me off. You're definitely just a sperg.

>>18887275
Holy shit city people are insane. I've worked in factories in rural areas and I would read on my breaks. I never had someone react in that way, if anything they were encouraging. I'm talking things like Hobbes or PFPL too.
I hear people on other boards talk about a "crabs in a bucket" mentality and I don't think I've ever experienced that beyond minor instances. People around me always seem to encourage each other to improve themselves but maybe I'm just lucky.

>>18887305
gotta remember a lot of spastics don't realise how much of an atmosphere vacuum they are when they open their mouths, I have never had this reaction from anyone about books either

>go on dating app
>start talking about the greeks
>stupid chicks are enthralled by your knowledge
Probably only works if you attractive tho

>>18887305
>"crabs in a bucket"
This is a 4chan thing. I used to read on my kindle every single break during the time I was working as doorman, and people didn't really gave a shit about it. They never asked anything about what I was reading, but they didn't bothered me about it or mistreated me because of it.

>>18887328
Nah, you can probably talk about Plato to impress a girl. Or Stoics or Epicurus or something. You just have to be good at talking about it.

>>18887276
Which book?

>>18887351

Sustainable Agriculture in the American Midwest, I found it in a charity shop for 50p and thought fuck it might as well read something completely out of left field.

>>18887336
I impressed a girl last night just by explaining the origin of the word gibberish. She thought I was so smart lol.

>>18887305
>maybe I'm just lucky.
You are lucky. Crab mentality is a very real thing.There's this NPC adage that you will often hear: "be yourself". Guess what - it works only for people who don't need to hear it as they are already accepted as they are. But the moment you're above-average in any respect you can be anything but yourself. Normies are impossibly fragile about certain things and you have to constantly constrain yourself not to be accused of bragging or douching around. OK, fine, be it what it is, I've got reasonably good at it anyway, just please, cut this be-yourself bullshit, because some people are allowed to talk away whatever will come to their minds and to act as they feel like - and some are not. That's it.

>>18887416

Just being able to hold a conversation and make them laugh is all that matters. Every now and then I encounter someone in work or social circles that is just an absolute struggle to talk to and I don't think they know it. Amean they're probably on the spectrum but I read a load of autistic books and people usually think it's charming and will ask more about them. I've literally never encountered the hostility that people are describing in this thread.

>>18887305
What country are you from?

>"Oh, you're reading the bible anon!" *pious gesture*
>*Snaps out of Crazed schizo-BronzeAge MindLARP as a Pike-thrusting Canaanite-slaughterer cheered by angelic hosts*
>"haha yeah"

>>18887326
Maybe. I think I'm a bit of a spastic but maybe not in that way.
>>18887334
I don't know, people on /fit/ talk about it a lot with losing weight. Granted they're more autistic than me but even so.
>>18887423
I guess I mostly keep to myself and that seems to help people get along with me. I feel like if I started autistically rambling about random aspects of computers people wouldn't like me much.
>>18887461
Iowa in the US.

>>18887478
>Crazed schizo-BronzeAge MindLARP as a Pike-thrusting Canaanite-slaughterer cheered by angelic hosts
based

>>18887522
>keep to myself
That's the trickiest part for me as I tend to overdo it. It's not like I'm tempted to ramble about a single, obscure topic for an hour, it's just that when in a group conversation people like to spontaneously chip in with all these little facts that are relevant to the current topic. Now, I've found many times that my little facts, even though totally relevant, tend to fly over people's heads. It's not that I'm trying to be a smartass, I'm just unaware that some piece of information has some autistic shit as a prerequisite. And so I often end up pondering every word to say hardly anything as a result. I just struggle to strike a balance, but it's getting better.

>reading the annotated Nabokov in lunchroom
>sales rep walks by, cranes her neck to see what this big, giant black book with some funny old man on the cover is
>sort of scowls like she just saw somebody eating something gross and walks on
Different job
>my lunch reading is sitting on my desk
>big douchebag who bought our company is walking by
>oh, what are you reading there?
>uuuh, 2666
>but I spurg and say it as "two-six-six-six," like it's some Satanism book or something
>uuuh, okay
>walks off

>>18887008
>>18887076
>>18887109
>smile at somebody
>they just stare at you
Every time. And this is in the South.

>>18887933
You get easily triggered by looks. I literally used to read a book called "The assholes of Judas" around other people and whatever.

Bump

>>18886814
You sound like a pretentious faggot and this board is the reason you are this way. Go outside

>>18886814
Lean into it, assert your dominance over the barely sentient masses. How do you plan to become an aristocrat of the soul when you fear being ostracized by hylics?

>>18886898
OP might be talking to violent gypsies.
t. expert on spain

>>18888998

>>18886814
Why would you do that?

>>18886814
stop giving a fuck about what random normies think of you that's like playing oblivion and not jumping everywhere because you don't want the npcs to think you're weird

>>18886898
people get genuinely mad and uncomfortable when you are not consuming some base level media they recognize.
I am not saying this to be smug or what ever, this applies to anything be it a book you are reading for an intellectual pursuit or a some piece of fiction that has themes they dont like

>>18891060
>that's like playing oblivion and not jumping everywhere because you don't want the npcs to think you're weird
I will never mistake a normalfag for human again

>>18891088
I hope this isn't true. What will the world come to.

>>18887305
It's very real. If I talk to some of my... friends (more like acquaintances), about light philosophy (like, Euthyphro tier), which was in every way related to the topic at hand, for more than ~30 seconds they just start to look at me in this weird way. It starts with an apathetic look; in a bit it becomes a smirk. It's somewhat awkward since they don't have anything to add, so I refrain to do it these days.
This is the only place where I don't feel intelectually lonely, bros.

>>18891537
Why even have friends at that point? Just to bitch about your problems? What a waste of time. You're far better off spending that time doing something to better your life.
I only willingly interact with people who have something interesting to say.

>>18891676
Based. That's what I do.