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>>18875614
Read (and enjoy) Bakker

First for Fang Yuan

>huddling with R. Scott Bakker book
>hot chocco
>sweet embrace of my large nubian boyfriend
>fresh shipment of estrogen
Name a more perfect day

>>18875622
Wasnt the first. Also whatever books you read probably suck ass

>>18875657
Cringe El Filtrado

>>18875570
The second Amber series was a cash grab where he lost the plot and needed editorial guidance to land the ending. Z turned pretty fucking mercenary in his later years but I think this was partly his wife's doing

>>18875574
He finished the first and second series. He hadn't begun the third. The second series isn't worth reading unless you're a hardcore Z fan

>>18875604
>What story is it to have that much?
They're largely unrelated stories about D's adventures. Everything else you're better of discovering on your own.

>>18875614
>book group reading
>Seveneves
>880 pages
shit. I'm late again.

Anyone here read “Lord Darcy” by Randall Garret?

Reposting from last thread re: Elric reading order

>>18875163
Read them by series chronological order, and throw in Corum, Hawkmoon, and Erekosë to get the full story. Here is my autistically compiled internal chronology
>Read Elric up to The Vanishing Tower (1-4)
> Hawkmoon 1-4
Can be read at any point before the second Corum trilogy
>Erekosë 1 and 2 (Eternal Champion and Phoenix in Obsidian)
>Read the first Corum trilogy (Swords)
>Elric 5 (Vanishing Tower)
The Vanishing Tower could also be read prior to the Corum/Erekosë as things come together here
>Hawkmoon 5
>Corum 4
>Hawkmoon 6
>Corum 5
>Elric 6
>Corum 6
>Erekosë 3 (Dragon in the sword)
>Elric 7
90% of Elric short stories originally take place here
>Elric 8
>Hawkmoon 7

>>18875758
Well done sir.

>>18875622
Tell me, how good is reverend Insanity? I’ve never read Chinese Xianxia before only western, like Virtuous sons and Beware of Chicken, and I want to know if Reverend Insanity is a good place to start. Also, have you read Coiling Dragon, Desolate Era, Renegade Immortal? I’ve been told to read them as well.

>>18875739
You can make it, anon. That's little over 80 pages a day.

What am in for?

>>18875620
Wanted to give this guy a go, so I visited his blog together with a quick read-through of the preview of his works. Needless to say I got turned off, but then again I was told to walk into his mess with the expectation that it is an attempt at a western 'Berserk' - it obviously wasn't.

With all that said, are his works really that good or is it just an army of mindless shills ala Sandercrap?

>>18876178
He's never read berserk but his work absolutely has the grimdark edgy and horrific tone and style of berserk, so much so that you would think he had.

You could read his free short story crash space, which is scifi but would give you an idea about him, I think he's great personally.

>>18876178
What the actual fuck how is this anything like Berserk?

Has anyone read the witcher series? Is it good? i watched a few episodes of the tv series and wasnt impressed

>>18876452
Read the two short story collections, they're comfy.

>>18876452
The first book is a grimderp retelling of folklore tales, the rest are very much in vein with videogames aka mary sue and gary stu adventures

>>18876162
I'm on the last part of the book right now.
Part 1 is lighthearted and fun, almost feels like a parody.
Part 2 doesn't make much sense (I'm bad with names, a lot of the names blend together in this book) and doesn't go anywhere, it's basically a necessary interlude between part 1 and 3. Thankfully it's short.
Part 3 is fantastic. The tone is noticeably more serious but it works. This part could be a novel on its own and it had one of the best endings I've seen in a novel in years.

One thing you'll notice immediately is that the book is full of anachronisms. References to airplanes, WW2 bombers, an indirect reference to Hitler, multiple mentions of psychology. Le Morte d'Arthur, which is what TOAFK is more or less directly based on, is mentioned directly three times. I haven't read Morte myself, but IIRC I heard there's anachronisms in that one too. You get used to it, but it's never not noticeable.

"Dreamlike" has been used to describe both it and Le Morte d'Arthur and I think it fits. It has a lot of times where something like a battle, tournament, or quest is simply summarized in a paragraph or two when it could have easily been an entire chapter or more. The entire holy grail quest is told in the recollections of dejected knights returning to Camelot and telling the story to Arthur.

>>18876535
how to write a non mary sue adventure desu? I am writing a novella with a 17 year old girl stuck in a rioting city. Whenever i try to squeeze in an action bit i cringe. Cant make up plausible scenarios when a skinny girl overpowers an npc rapist.

>>18876594
give her a weapon/ruthless mentality where she sucker punches rapists and or tons of martial arts training

>>18876178
>With all that said, are his works really that good or is it just an army of mindless shills ala Sandercrap?
I was shilled into it and have really enjoyed the series so far. This is how the author describes the books:
> At the same time, I found myself growing more dissatisfied with the epic fantasy then being marketed. At some point, I thought why not write the story (the idea then was to combine the grandeur and authenticity of The Lord of the Rings with the grit and intrigue of Dune) that I wanted to read. That was the original spark back around 1985, anyway.

What ratings would you give a collection/series of works?

Only completed a few myself.
Working as X/5;
>(Frank) Dune: 4
>(REH) Conan: 4
>Animorphs: 3.5 (Surprisingly good.)
>HP: 2
>WoT: 2 (Mainly because it's incredibly fucking pedantic and could have been 5-6 books at most.)
>(Brian) Dune: 2

>>18876594
Have her fail to fight off an npc the first time it happens, but instead of dying she just gets raped. After that, she is so traumatised that she enters every encounter in a rabid frenzy, her brain's attempt to prevent it from ever happening again. Give her a weapon of some kind, even a knife, and you'll see the same strength at work as when a battered housewife stabs her husband a hundred times. Desperation and fear are her sources of strength.

>>18876594
Then simply don't have her overpower him you idiot.

>>18876594
Honestly do some research into hand to hand combat. If she gets a lucky kick to his balls, a fingernail into an eye, they fall together and he lands wrong on his head giving him a concussion, etc. Being bigger or stronger doesn’t guarantee winning a fight

>>18876733
this. A gritty raped protogonist who overcame trauma sells well

>>18876594
Kinda like others said- do research. Fight dirty, get the first hit in, act fast, have a weapon. The weapon doesn't even have to be something like a gun or huge knife. Maybe she just has a self defense spike or something of the sort hidden up her sleeve or boot.

>>18876929
Cope

how did this turn into writing general? dont cross post and stay on topic retards

>>18876701
Amber 1: 5
Amber 2: 2
HP: 2
WoT: 2
Vurt: 5 >>18876701
Amber 1: 5
Amber 2: 2
HP: 2
WoT: 2
Vurt: 5
Sprawl: 4 (Neuromancer)
Bridge: 2 (Virtual Light)
Eclipse: 3 (John Shirley)
Software: 4 (Rudy Rucker)
Beggars in Spain: 4

Why is there so much hate towards Bakker? I just started the Prince of nothing series, and it’s certainly one of the greatest fantasy novels I’ve ever read.

>>18877047
Does it trouble you?

>>18875614
>Book Club
now: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/22816087-seveneves

aug 29: inhibitor phase https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/56072402-inhibitor-phase
sep 15: wisdom of crowds https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/40701780-the-wisdom-of-crowds
sep 26: the scar https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/68497.The_Scar

>>18877047
Bakker himself is an insufferable overeducated academic faggot canuck, his books however are good.

>>18875739
it goes for 2 weeks, we've only finished part 1 so far (~250 pages).

I read the Otherland series by Tad Williams when I was in my teens. Now I crave a huge story like that again and thought of re-reading it but then I thought pissing away all these hours on a story I read before might be a huge waste when there could be something newer and better for me to read. Read the first Expanse a few years back and started the second one but its pozzed. Should I just go ahead and read Dan Simmons Scifi? Fucking loved Flashback, the most based scifi story in a long time. Is there something else outthere for me?

>>18877098
>overeducated
that's gotta be the biggest cope I've seen all week

>>18877107
If you don't like the glorification of progress mainstream sci fi doesn't seem like a good fit desu

>>18877107
Not my problem.

>>18877107
Dan Simmons is wasted potential: the author and Hyperion is wasted potential: the series. The first book is pretty good though.

>>18876178
Don't read Bakker's blog unless you want to witness an old post-peak boomer wanking off to niche doomer analytic philosophy. His books, however, are excellent, and speak for themselves. And The Second Apocalypse is very much a western Berserk. The excruciating chiaroscuro detail, the gothic themes and aesthetics, the religiosity and spiritual turbulence, the pitch-dark medieval ultraviolence, the themes of cosmic spiritual violation and horror, the touches of sardonic humor amidst a supremely bleak vision of the universe and human striving.

I disagree with the anon who recommended Crash Space; it's far from his best work. Just start with The Darkness That Comes Before.>>18876178
Don't read Bakker's blog unless you want to witness an old post-peak boomer wanking off to niche doomer analytic philosophy. His books, however, are excellent, and speak for themselves. And The Second Apocalypse is very much a western Berserk. The excruciating chiaroscuro detail, the gothic themes and aesthetics, the religiosity and spiritual turbulence, the pitch-dark medieval ultraviolence, the themes of cosmic spiritual violation and horror, the touches of sardonic humor amidst a supremely bleak vision of the universe and the futile striving of human souls.

I disagree with the anon who recommended Crash Space; it's far from his best work. Just start with The Darkness That Comes Before.

>>18876178
Don't read Bakker's blog unless you want to witness an old post-peak boomer wanking off to niche doomer analytic philosophy. His books, however, are excellent, and speak for themselves. And The Second Apocalypse is very much a western Berserk. The excruciating chiaroscuro detail, the gothic themes and aesthetics, the religiosity and spiritual turbulence, the pitch-dark medieval ultraviolence, the themes of cosmic spiritual violation and horror, the touches of sardonic humor amidst a supremely bleak vision of the universe and the futile striving of human souls.

I disagree with the anon who recommended Crash Space; it's far from his best work. Just start with The Darkness That Comes Before.

>>18875758
>Read them by series chronological order
No; read them in published order. Later Elric stories are nowhere near as good as the earlier ones and Moorcock never intended them to be read chronologically regardless of what that retard says.

>>18863289
lol when a post is wrong about absolutely everything.

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>>18877632
I think I'll read Bakker's blog

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>>18875620
I'm SO tired of Bakker!

Slogged my way through the first two books. Then I just dropped it.

R. Scott Bakker - Prince of Nothing Learned

Herbert Read, in The Meaning of Art, posted:
[...] [T]he function of art is not to transmit feeling so that others may experience the same feeling. That is only the function of the crudest forms of art—‘programme music,’ melodrama, sentimental fiction, and the like. The real function of art is to express feeling and transmit understanding. That is what the Greeks so perfectly realized and that is what, I think, Aristotle meant when he said that the purpose of drama was to purge our emotions. We already come to art charged with emotional complexes; we find in the genuine work of art, not an excitation of these emotions, but peace, repose, equanimity.


I suppose not everyone has been introduced to R. Scott Bakker’s Prince of Nothing novels by having the “black demon seed” scene quoted at them. This is the delightful sequence in the second part of the trilogy, where Bakker describes the horror of a man, his wife, and his child being raped by a demon and the setting’s resident subhuman scum (Orcs, but less talkative). The phrase “raper’s thrust” is used. The defences offered was, first, that Bakker’s writing is good outside of the creepy sex stuff, and second, that the rape by demon/orc was actually a brilliant philosophical counterpoint to the moral-ethical pretensions that drive conflicts in the story.

The latter defence is of course misses the point that Bakker’s writing is terrible.

The first defence comes from the fannish mindset where problems in the text are to be tolerated instead of confronted. It is also the same defence as afforded to Japanese visual novels.

It is a befitting introduction, because the overriding mode of Bakker’s narrative is perversion – of civilization, of humanity, of trust, of religion. There is nothing in The Darkness that Comes Before, first in an interminable saga, that is not overshadowed or at least overcast by dread. The thrill of this dread is what draws in the reader, and it is where Bakker’s meagre talent as a storyteller lies. Throughout the novel he displays a skill for catching the twinge of anxiety and dread within the reader, even with his amateurish prose. And being such an effective yet observably bad writer, Bakker’s novel is the very definition of hackwork. Much of the novel is concerned with a reimagining of the First Crusade, given a nihilistic bent and names that sound like somebody slurring through Tolkien’s elf-languages. Bakker likewise offers familiar genre clichés, just more vicious and with worse named.

>>18877904
>cont.

quote:
“I am a warrior of ages, Anasûrimbor... ages. I have dipped my nimil in a thousand hearts. I have ridden both against and for the No-God in the great wars that authored this wilderness. I have scaled the ramparts of great Golgotterath, watched the hearts of High Kings break for fury.”

“Then why,” Kellhus asked, “raise arms now, against a lone man?”

Laughter. The free hand gestured to the dread Sranc. “A pittance, I agree, but still you would be memorable.”


In The Darkness that Comes Before, Anälsybarite Killhöuse receives telepathic summons bidding him to join his exiled father. Killhöuse comes from an isolated monastic community whose members are rendered superhuman by their postgraduate philosophy degrees, and upon reaching civilization finds himself a godlike manipulator among so many sheeple. In the meantime, great conflict brews between the great religions of the Mediterranean. The Pope preaches a Crusade against the Muslim conquerors of the Holy Land, while nobles and wizards intrigue, barbarians roam, and minions of the Dark Lord lurk in the shadows and fringes of the world.

While this sounds eventful, this introductory part of a multivolume chronicle is occupied mostly with extended political and geographical manoeuvres: a disquieting amount of time is spent on the cast getting somewhere. Add in Conan the Bisexual Barbarian, the prose stylistics of Guy Gavriel Kay, the horror sensibilities of Clive Barker, just a little bit of rape and other atrocities, and you have something like RSB’s hodgepodge. Despite these diverse elements, Bakker’s writing is characteristically flat in the manner of countless genre authors. Usually he is content with an unremarkable half-realist mode that genre authors shotgun wed to the imaginative potential of fantasy and science-fiction. Central to this is the imposition of modern psychological realism on a world that is neither modern nor realist, and emphasis on extended dialogues of short exchanges that are intercut with brief, lifeless descriptions and snatches of internal monologue. This is ubiquitous to genre writing, and one can hardly differentiate authors in this mode save for the style of their silly names:

>>18877912
>cont.

quote:
“I actually missed you, Xinemus,” Proyas said. “What do you make of that?”

The burly, thick-bearded man at the forefront stood. Not for the first time, Proyas was struck by how much he resembled Achamian.

“I’m afraid, my Lord Prince,” Xinemus replied, “that your sentiment will be short-lived...” He hesitated. “That is, once you hear the news I bear you.”

Already it begins.

Months ago, before he’d returned to Conriya t raise his army, Maithanet had warned him that House Ikurei would likely cause the Holy War grief. But Xinemus’s demeanour told him something far more dramatic than mere politicking had transpired in his absence.

“I’ve never been one to begrudge the messenger, Xinemus. You know that.” He momentarily studied the faces of the Marshal’s retinue. “Where’s that ass Calmemunis?”

The dread in Xinemus’s eyes could scarcely be concealed. “Dead, my Lord Prince.”

“Dead?” he asked sharply. Please don’t let it begin like this! He prused his lips and ask more evenly, “What has happened?”


Bakker is also fond of a sardonically understated “chronicling” style familiar from Guy Gavriel Kay, where the prose bops and bounces in a self-contented manner:

quote:
Confusion and tragedy, rather than fanfare, had characterized the departure of the Vulgar Holy War from Momemn. Since only a minority of those gathered were affiliated with one of the Great Names, the host possessed no clear leader—no organization at all, in effect. As a result, several riots broke out when the Nansur soldiery began distributing soldiers, and anywhere from four to five hundred of the faithful were killed.
[...]
The citizens of Momemn swamped the city walls to watch the Men of the Tusk depart. Many jeered at the pilgrims, who had long ago earned the contempt of their hosts. Most, however, remained silent, watching the endless fields of humanity trudge towards the southern horizon. They saw innumerable carts heaped with belongings, women and children walking dull-eyed through the dust, dogs prancing around countless feet, and endless thousands of impoverished low-caste men, hard-faced but carrying only hammers, picks, and hoes. The Emperor himself watched the spectacle from the enamelled heights of the southern gates. According to rumour, he was overheard remarking that the sight of so many hermits, beggars, and whores made him want to retch, but he’d “already given the vulgar filth this dinner.”
These dull stylistics are all the more condemnable for the fact that Bakker is perfectly capable of reaching beyond this: a brief prelude, set two thousand years before the events of the novel, actually manages to capture some bleak grandeur, after which the book quickly begins to deflate. It would be even good if it were not for too many silly fantasy names. Bakker is apparently working under a quota when it comes to diacritics.

>>18877915
>cont.

quote:
But the boy clutched his father’s sword, crying “So long as men live, there are crimes!”

The man’s eyes filled with wonder. “No, child,” he said. “Only as long as men are deceived.”

For a moment, the young Anasûrimbor could only stare at him. Then solemnly, he set aside his father’s sword and took the stranger’s hand. “I was a prince,” he mumbled.

The stranger brought him to others, and together they celebrated their strange fortune. They cried out—not to the Gods they had repudiate but to one another—that here was evident a great correspondence of cause. Here awareness most holy could be tended. In Ishuäl, they had found shelter against the end of the world.

Still emaciated but wearing the furs of kings, the Dûnyain chiselled the sorcerous runes from the walls and burned the Grand Vizier’s books. The jewels, the chalcedony, the silk and cloth-of-gold, they buried with the corpses of a dynasty.

And the world forgot them for two thousand years.


The Kay connection deserves elaboration: any knowledgeable reader who grabs the introductory part of the Prince of Nothing saga will notice that Bakker’s perhaps closest literary relation is bestselling fantasist and world-class hack Guy Gavriel Kay. This is not because they both write historically-inspired fantasy, but because they write in a strikingly similar manner. Kay has a certain set of “Kayisms” that he recycles in all of his novels. One has already been mentioned above), and another is philosophizing about certain classes or types of people. At times one suspects that principal characters such as the sad wizard Drusus Achaemenes and his prostitute lover Esmeralda (‘whore’ is a word of marked prolificacy in the novel) were ghost-written by Kay. The first chapters of Kay’s The Last Light of the Sun and Bakker’s novel make for an illuminating comparison:

Kay, in The Last Light of the Sun, posted:
Firaz ibn Bakir, merchant of Fezana, deliberately embodying in his brightly coloured silks (not nearly warm enough in the cutting wind) the glorious Khalifate of Al-Rassan, could not help but see this delay as yet another trial imposed upon him for transgressions in a less than virtuous life.

It was hard for a merchant to live virtuously. Partners demanded profit, and profit was difficult to come by if one piously ignored the needs—and opportunities—of the world of the flesh. The asceticism of a desert zealot was not, ibn Bakir had long since decided, for him.
[...]
Here in the remote, pagan north, at this windscoured island market of Rabady, he was anxious to begin trading his leather and cloth and spices and bladed weapons for furs and amber and salt and heavy barrels of dried cod (to sell in Ferrieres on the way home)—and to take immediate leave of these barbarian Erlings, who stank of fish and beer and bear grease, who could kill a man in a bargaining over prices, and who burned their leaders—savages that they were—on ships among their belongings when they died.

>>18877925
>cont.


The death of Cnaiür’s father, Skiöthe, was such an event.


Both Bakker and Kay are admittedly absorbing writers in spite of their faults, or perhaps because of them. They have their differences, and the deciding one is that Kay acts out the role of pop historian with many of his novels – fascinated by the peculiarity and vitality of the past and its inhabitants – while Bakker writes like a sadist and nihilist. Kay’s adoration of common people and lionization of Great Men is offensive for its patronizing nature, but there are worse things. Kay writes badly but not unpleasantly. Bakker writes badly and unpleasantly. The bleakness of his story does not make it more truthful or insightful. His exploration of the fanatical vainglory of the First Crusade is rather perfunctory, despite occupying so much time.

>>18877932
>cont.

R. Scott Bakker posted:
“But prayers,” Proyas continued, “are never enough, are they? Something will happen, some treachery or small atrocity, and my heart will cry, ‘Fie on this! Damn them all!’ And do you know what, Achamian? It’s a possibility that saves me, that drives me to continue. What if? I ask myself. What if this Holy War was in fact divine, a good in and of itself? [...] Is that so hard to believe`?—that despite men and their rutting ambition, this one thing, this Holy War, could be good for its own sake? If it is impossible, Achamian, then my life has as little meaning as yours...”

“No,” Achamian said, unable to muzzle his anger, “it’s not impossible.”

Some might defend Bakker on the basis of his academic credentials, but Bakker does not write The Darkness that Comes Before like a philosopher. Philosophy is to Prince of Nothing much like science is to speculative fiction: not a tool for understanding, but an aesthetic. Aristotle, among others, is repurposed and renamed for “world-building” purposes. Bakker does not have any philosophical treatise or thesis to propose, and covers for a lack of profundity in his novel with sheer volume. In the 600-page long first part of what will at least be a septology, Bakker introduces an army of figures, factions, metaphysical concepts, and faux-Tolkien names, yet has very little of interest to say. Clevin. Mostly he offers observations of stereotypes (“Whores sell themselves,” the wizard says, nodding sagely, “and you must be the whore when the time comes”), and rebrands medieval history while genre bullshit works at the margins (“A memorable challenge!” the villain of the prologue croaks, channelling the spirits of a thousand stock baddies).

Bakker has one trick as a writer: overwhelming readers with a sense of doom and gloom. The dread of his world has superficial appeal that does not stand up to a critical eye. It is a psychologically and aesthetically sterile domain, and one seen begins to long for the levity of a postcolonial novel. His “philosophical” fiction does not teach. Umberto Eco immediately comes to mind as a legitimate alternative in the field of fiction – the abbey of The Name of the Rose is small compared to the Three Seas, but is at the centre of a vast mental universe. It is also written as to imitate pre-modern literature, despite its many compromises with the demands of modern novels, in contrast to Bakker’s banal and patronizing prose. Bakker’s novel cannot reach the expansive, speculative reaches of philosophy – even Kay breezes past him. The Darkness that Comes Before sinks for its baggage.

>>18877936

And since we simply can’t end things without some infernal onyx juice:

R. Scott Bakker posted:
When she climaxed for the final time, she felt as though she’d been pitched from a precipice, and she heard her own husky shrikes as though from afar, shrill against the thunder and his dragon roar.

Then he withdrew and she felt ransacked, her limbs trembling, her skin numb and cold with sweat. Two of the candles were gutted, but the room was illuminated in grey light. How long?
[...]
The golden coin fluttered in his hand, bewitching her with its glitter. He held it above her and let it slip between his fingers. It plopped onto the sticky pools across her belly. She glanced down and gasped in horror.

His seed was black.

“Shush,” he said, gathering his finery. “Say a word of this to no one. Do you understand, whore?”
[...]
She stared at the coin and the Emperor’s profile across it, remote and golden against downy public hair and slopes of bare skin–skin threaded and smeared by glistening pitch.


That comparison to visual novels is more felicitous than it seems: R. Scott Bakker’s Darkness that Comes Before is on the level of a Type-Moon production.

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Is this you, Bakker?

Finished Starfish, it was great. Going to start the next Rifters even though I hear (from you faggots) its not as good, but whatever. I liked Blindopraxia.

Anyway, pic related made me think we're on the verge of brain gels.

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Pseud was filtered by the first book. Many such cases!

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TL;DR

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Didn’t ask.

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Not my problem.

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Filtered
Cope
Seethe
Dilate
Repeat

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We accept your concession.
We accept your defeat.
We accept your surrender.

You will never be be a woman.

>another schizo animefag thread
Great. Whens this guy going to leave?

>>18877936
>Philosophy is to Prince of Nothing much like science is to speculative fiction: not a tool for understanding, but an aesthetic.
This guy hasn't read Sci-Fi

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>making the bakkerchuds seethe this hard
>also exposing the 6-7 bakkerchuds who ritually lurk here
impossibly based

captcha: DSTRY

>>18878115
I have never read anything by Bakker. I didn't even bother to read more than 5% of that wall of text.
Stop shitting up the thread. I don't care about the Bakker/Anti-Bakker blood feud here.
(you)

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Mad cuz bad

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Fuck off schizo we don't want you here

I'm going balls deep.

>>18878184

I almost miss the days of Sanderson posting. And I’m a Bakkebro. The threads have deteriorated quickly in the past two weeks.

>>18875993
Hi

Reverend insanity can be considered number one chinese xanxia.
Couple of things you should know, it is not perfect, parts of it are boring and tedious, but after every boring part you get to the good part and it is absolute kino. Prose is not great, writing itself cannot be compared to western writing.

Regarding the other novels you have mentioned coiling dragon and desolate both were written by author "I eat tomatoes", I have tried reading his work and I just couldn't get into it, not sure about renegade immortal.
My recommendation would be to read Martial World, it is different to reverend insanity, it is a more traditional cultivation story.

>>18878254
Number 1 Chinese slush

Congratulations for winning the special Olympics

>>18876594
How about you don't write stories that involve women/romance

>>18878260
Thanks. Continue reading western trash filled with faggots, sjw, trannys, niggers, feminism, and progressive antiwhite agenda

>>18878277
Because everything what is not Chinese Isekai is that? Enjoy your machine translations

Fuck E William Brown
Fuck Lies
Fuck Excuses
Fuck Delays
Fuck Pay Walls
Fuck Pay Pigs
Fuck Being cushy and not writing even though you quit your job and you are now a full time author
FUCK YOU

>>18878305
I admire this man’s relentlessness

>>18878296
Not everything but most fantasy released in recent years have that problem, sure older fantasy is better but I read most of it already

>>18878305
What makes people write fan fiction?

What is with this book? It is a space opera, but Vinge writes so stupid and unconvincing some times. Like, the humans and aliens are referencing things that happened millions of years ago, and plans for the next 100000 years. And btw, years are used throughout the beyond galaxy for some reason.

The scale of the galaxy of the galaxy is all over the place, with distances of thousands of lightyears being jumped without an afterthought and there are thousands of civilizations, but everyone reads the intergalactic version of 4chan and knows who's posting.

And despite this I cant put it away. The tines part is really fresh, and I really want to know how it will wrap up.

Should I read Le Guin SF? What books?

>>18878479
Worst scifi book ever, it reads more like fantasy book and even then the story is just bad and unexciting

Which cover of Agency should I get to go with The Peripheral cover pictured is the one I own

>>18878582
Kysrg

>>18878582
Whichever one has a better matching spine and the same print format/size

>>18878590
>Kysrg
Kill yourself real girl?

>What not getting a single lock of Alatariel’s hair does to a MF.

>>18878479
Prepare for the ending to suck major dickings, its literal (yes) deus ex machina

>>18878532
God no.

recommend SF with non-blood related little sisters

>>18877502
I got bored and stopped reading about half way through the final book.

>>18877904
>>18877912
>>18877915
>>18877925
>>18877932
>>18877936
>>18877942
Salsa on this?

Give me books with best betrayals and backstabbing. Doesn't matter if protagonist is on the receiving end or not. No spoilers if being unexpected is important please.

>>18879241
The Prince of Nothing and The Aspect Emperor Series.

>>18879260

>>18879260
This.

>>18879241
The Memory, Sorrow, & Thorn Trilogy by Tad Williams

The line between sexyness and vulgarity is a very thin one. Very few books mange to be sexy without being vulgar.

>>18879263
It has the biggest betrayal I’ve ever read in a fantasy novel.

>>18877114
dude threw a fit because some boomer lady made a mistake and thought he was writing children's fantasy

Bakker is the best writer I've read in years, but he's absolutely got his head way far up his ass.

>>18877502
I'm enjoying Ilion.

>>18879027
Hairy Potter

>>18877670
Oh god it's this autist again. Listen here, FAGGOT, Moorcocks preferred order is the internal chronology. He even works with publishers to help them get it right because he doesn't like the publish date ordered omnibuses of his work

>>18879752
Sounds like Moorcock is the faggot in this situation.
>chronological order
Get the fuck out of here.

>>18879760
>I know how to compose the authors material better than the author himself
Cringe

>>18879752
>FAGGOT
>Moorcocks
stick a quarter in your butt, dog...
you played yourself

Those of you who read sci fi, what do you like about the genre?

Every sci fi story I ever tried was bad. Sci fi is too difficult to write. On top of the usual challenges, you have much more difficult world building. I think the problem is that the very few people who might be smart and knowledgeable enough to write good sci fi are busy getting rich in tech. And putting in the effort to write good sci fi isn't worth it because it would be a commercial failure. Most people are too stupid to appreciate intelligent stories with attention to detail. They enjoy Harry Potter and Game of Thrones.

>>18879945
Anon, good scifi isn't about the science. Read some Zelazny.

>>18879960
>good scifi isn't about the science
I know. If it was, it would be impossible. But you still have to create the illusion of a logically cohesive world with futuristic technology in it. And then you also have to fit in an entertaining story. And then I have my own preferences.

>>18879752
It doesn't matter what Moorcock wants, you nerd. His later Elric stories are subpar compared to his earlier ones and Elric was never meant to be read chronologically.
>>18879767
It literally has nothing to do with "composing" the stories; it's all about QUALITY. If all the Elric stories were of the same exact quality then it wouldn't matter, but they're not. It's the same exact problem with the Fafhrd & the Gray Mouser collections; they're in chronological order even though they weren't written that way and Leiber's later F&tGM stories are mostly bad compared to his earlier ones. Hell he even wrote new "stories" for the collections to try and bridge the older tales and they are especially crappy.

You can't expect the author to be a fair judge of his own work and new readers who go in reading these collections blind might be turned off by the upfront subpar stories. Hell the very first "chronological" Elric story was written in the 80s while the actual first Elric story was written in the 60s and Moorcock had a pretty big drop off in quality between them which is natural for most writers.

>>18879984
Holy shit. Imagine being this fucking retarded.

>>18879979
If you are not interested in science or technology and cannot fantasize about science, don't write science fiction.

>>18878200
nip anon ?

>>18879986
>Holy shit. Imagine being this fucking retarded.

>>18879997
I accept your defeat.

>>18879979
Touche. If you prefer literary quality and style over autistic technobabble while still ticking all the genre trope boxes in interesting ways you might like The Doors of His Face, the Lamps of His Mouth
>>18879984
>It doesn't matter what Moorcock wants
The cry of the headcannon warrior
>His later Elric stories are subpar compared to his earlier ones
True, with the exception of the Revenge of the Rose. His shirt stories are always good though no matter what period they are from
>Elric was never meant to be read chronologically.
This is categorically false
>It literally has nothing to do with "composing" the stories; it's all about QUALITY
You're literally composing them by your own arbitrary measure of quality, but I digress; why burn out all the good ones first when you can enjoy a complex, multiverse spanning plot with a satisfying conclusion? You're literally skipping straight to the end by reading by publish date

>>18880033
Reading chronologically is wikia autist reddit nerd shit, don't do it. You read in published order because that's the way things are supposed to be experienced, you get the story in the order it was conceptualised and you get the information as it becomes relevant. Also you don't "burn out the good ones first" you drop that shit as soon as it stops being good so you don't waste your time on the later trash when you could be reading something good.

>>18876594
desu if she's actually fighting someone for real and not just reacting i think something like the protagonist of Worm is a good inspiration. Make her an unringed and violent person. It's VERY important to make her more like a unstable crackhead with a knife and fighting instinct than a calm and colected cringy trained soldier.

>>18880033
>His shirt stories are always good though no matter what period they are from
No they're not. His later Elric stories are dull and stale compared to his earlier ones, but you're just a bitch ass fanboy so it's not like you can tell either way. Hell I'm a bitch ass fanboy for REH, but even I can admit he wrote some stinkers; even some Conan stinkers and I love Conan.
>This is categorically false
Yea that's why they were written in chronological or-OH WAIT THEY WEREN'T.
>You're literally composing them by your own arbitrary measure of quality
No I'm not, tardo. You should always read EVERYTHING in published order (or better yet written order if that information is available) regardless of what the author says. There's always exceptions of course, but Moorcock NEVER intended Elric to be read in chronological order and if he said he did then he's full of shit. I'm sure he regrets not writing the stories in chrono-order though; no doubt about that.

So in conclusion; I'm right and you're wrong. BUT if your IQ is in the double digits and you don't notice the lack of quality in later Elric stories compared to the earlier ones then good for you. Carry on. I unfortunately did notice when I went in blind on Elric. I was very underwhelmed with what I had read and stopped reading all together after only a few stories only to find out later I was reading the later Elric tales and not the earlier good ones.

>>18879986
>>18880018
He comes out of the woodworks with this shit any time chronological order is mentioned, regardless of series
>>18880069
Autistic projection

>>18880085
>autist can't admit Moorcock lied to him about the order Elric should be read
Can you AT LEAST admit Moorcock never originally intended for Elric to be read chronologically and in fact very much regrets not writing the stories thus? I'm not even asking you to agree on the quality of the stories themselves; just admit they were never meant to be read chronologically because they weren't written chronologically.

>>18880076
I'm not a fanboy, I actually think he's a shit (though highly innovative) writer. I'm just well read when it comes to pulps and the new wave. The Elric stories are all standalones. EVERY Elric story is a standalone. Read them however you want, or do a fucking Google search re: authors preference if you care about a more immersive experience, or just keep talking out your ass I don't care. Tl;Dr the rest of your blog post, salty autist

>>18880119
I'm glad you finally admit I'm right.

>>18880106
>Can you AT LEAST admit Moorcock never originally intended for Elric to be read chronologically and in fact very much regrets not writing the stories thus?
Yes, the original stories were standalone pulps. He's famous for retconning his own shit incessantly to fit it into his (still, somehow) evolving framework, which is retarded imho.
>>18880126
No. I'm still right

Read Gor

Blindsight. Came for the aliens, unironicqlly stayed for the vampires.
Neat take on hyper-intelligence.

>>18880106
This.

>>18880150
based
gor btfos pseuds like bakker

>>18880126
Based.

Feels good to be a Bakkerchad.

>>18880224
Gor and Second Apocalypse are both good

>>18875614
Anyone knows if the books on the charts are included on the torrent collection?

I only read self-published books that have less than 5 reviews on Amazon.

Just started the Ancillary series. They used the word gender a few too many times in the first few chapters. Is this SJW trash? (Also in contrast to the first Foundation, I dont think a named male has spoken yet big red flag.)

>>18880194
Based, now read Echopraxia.

>>18876162
I just finished it. One thing I want to add to what I said here >>18876537 is that the book's ending is painful and sad, but one of the best endings I've read out of any books I've ever read.
The final few pages and chapters alone brought this book from one I was conflicted about to me believing this is an absolute classic. If you haven't picked it up, you should.

>>18880469
>Is this SJW trash?
Is it written by a woman? Is it published by a mainstream/traditional publisher? Did it come out in the last 10 years? If the answer is 'yes' to any of those questions then you know.

>>18880503
Oh no…

>>18876178
>or is it just an army of mindless shills ala Sandercrap?
Got it in one

>>18880515
When you gonna learn, bro?

>>18876162
The GOAT

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slXHhu86SaY&t=1526s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slXHhu86SaY&t=1526s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slXHhu86SaY&t=1526s

i liked three body problem
>women are useless and evil
>W A D E
>find me shipwreck booze and a waifu
>its part of the plan
>retards, aka humans
>lets shoot an incels brain into space
>video games

>>18880765
>feminized women caused the downfall of society
>pragmatic old-heads are superior
>F L A T T E N
>danger pillars
>Singer's brain tickling
>incel simps so hard he buys her a star system
>Cixin Liu compliments his own fairy tale in-book
>couch tries to kill you
>fuck this gay earth

>>18880801
>>feminized women caused the downfall of society
Uh "feminized" women are a good thing though; unless you meant feminized MEN?

>>18878532
City of Illusions, The Left Hand of Darkness, and The Dispossessed, or just read the entire Ekumen in order if you're feeling patient.

>>18880846
See: >>18879007

>>18880765
>>18880801
Its funny /pol/-tards shit on RoEP trilogy when the moral of the story is that women will doom us in ways we can't possibly imagine.

>>18880801
>Cixin Liu compliments his own fairy tale in-book
Vs
>Luo Ji’s dream gf section

>>18880898
Can you please stop talking about politics
thank you

>>18880898
Ending spoilers for Death’s End just finished it. Her last choice to leave the pocket universe but keep anything in there is so fucking retarded. On a galactic scale it wouldnt matter at all if they stay or return, but the gesture of returning is completely ruined by leaving matter behind. Its brushed off as a trivial amount, but shit the matter they are using is trivial. Leaving any could cause the universe to get fucked. She makes the wrong choice AGAIN.

I want to lick camo sophon’s dirty ankles.

>>18879260
>>18879452
>>18879272
lol wut

i can only assume you're talking about the head on a pole scene, proyas' butthole, and subsequent treatment at the end of the great ordeal, but this was telegraphed from at least TDTCB. none of this was surprising, and so did not really feel like much of a betrayal because you already knew what was going to happen.

ned stark's death in AGOT was shocking to 13-year old me when i read it almost 25 years ago, but i can't really say that's the best betrayal since it's clouded in the mists of youth.

i'm a malazan fan, so i'm heavily biased toward the treatment of the bonehunters or the hobbling of hetan. both of those betrayals pack pretty heavy emotional punches every time i reread the series

>>18880933
also a fish and some algae would become the idiot god in the new universe

>dark forest, human brains are supposed to work on the quantum scale besides chemical reactions
>deaths end, lower light universe fucks up quantum computers
>humans are unaffected.

>space battle
>human ships are kilometers away from eachother

>>18880959
>be me
>find 'a game of thrones' in borders in 2003, age 14
>get keeled over by ned's death
yeah, that almost was 25 years ago now. holy shit, we (and GRRM) are fucking old.

>>18880293
are you actually a man (female) that took T and reads gor and bakker? if so, based.

What book has tried to link quantum physics with something divine, religious?

>>18880933
>>18880979
Funnily enough, she gets utterly humiliated for doing just that in Redemption of Time. Her leaving a few kilos of matter in the pocket universe meant when the universe crunched and "reset" everything was slightly different. Sophon laughs in her face and she fucking loses it. Utterly BTFO

>>18880833
fuck, yeah...

>>18881106
Well fuck gotta read that now

>>18881112
You silly nincompoop :3

>>18881059
No, I mistyped Tanrsman and the /sffg/ gods decided that since I namefagged I am heretoforth to be known as The Transman of Gor

>>18881059
>>18881328
Fuck I did it again. T-A-R-N-S-M-A-N

What am I in for?

What are some good short story collections?

>>18881425
Depends

>>18881425
The Last Defender of Camelot
Unicorn Variations
Manna from Heaven
The Doors of his Face, the Lamps of his Mouth
All by Roger Zelazny, the greatest to ever work in the short story medium

>>18877419
The concept of "progress" has been co-opted by the left wing extremists who have seized control of most mainstream SF. Their notion of progress is a twisted fever dream.

>>18875614
What am I in for, /sffg/? I've heard some people around these parts call it reddit, but when I look on goodreads the only negative reviews are written by cat ladies with penis envy reeeing about how it's a "male power fantasy".

>>18881602
Oops forgot pic

>>18881604
If you're a teenager you might like it. I had to stop at the lecture scene. Unbearably bad.

>>18881064
His Dark Materials?

>>18881632
>I had to stop at the lecture scene. Unbearably bad.
plz explain for someone who hasn't started yet

>>18880478
Just finished the last part of blindsight.
God i hope spoiler tags work while phone posting.
Wasn't a big fan of the end. It took me a while to understand that I'm in a world where humans can make anything out of nothing basically so I hate how the ships just collided. I mean there was a little science stuff about how it shot these jets uo and they still had to follow the laws of physics. But like, if we can make antimatter that easily, why not them? I wish the alien got more explanation. I know it was half of the book but... maybe the 2nd book will give me more. Gonna start it now. REALLY hated how heaven failed because there are terrorists on earth as the E plot. Hated how a master explained was too autistic to talk to his gf.
That sounds like a lot of hate but I was entertained. I just like my princesses saved, not beheaded, you know? I'm too easily emotionally manipulated. Like how he talks about how humanity are just a cluster of strategies and tactics, then I start to think maybe we are, I do a lot of selfish things etc etc.

>>18881425
A short story i still think about is All Summer in a Day. If you want to feel bad for somebody.

>>18881641
Lel he draws us a picture of the ship for the 2nd page. Literally my first complaint about blindsight was not knowing what the hell he was describing when it came to the ship so my brain defaulted to the table room in Alien but in a spinning hub.

>>18881602
>male power fantasy
Well except for how he gets oneitis and gets cucked
Enjoy waiting for the third book which still hasn't come out after 14 years

>mfw I realized the grishaverse just stole everything from WoT
Holy shit

>tfw you just read a short story about gnomes helping a mute Irish boy rescue his sister by killing a bunch of Native Americans
Talk about BASED.

What is the LOTR or Dune of light novels, web novels, and litrpgs? What is the *one* of each of these categories that everybody has to read, if they're going to read them at all?
Also are there any light novels that aren't a million volumes long? I know I could just read the LN's whose anime I've already seen, but they tend to be such long running series it kinda defeats the point of a "light" novel.

>>18881885
>anime
Anon I have bad news for you

>>18881640
God she was so hot in that show and Luther. What a yandere milf.

>>18881640
>plz explain for someone who hasn't started yet
It's been a while but the protagonist upstages his professor and receives a standing ovation from his classmates. So much of the book is unbearably annoying and the frame narrative isn't a justifiable enough excuse.

>>18881641
Oh boy, are you in for a shotshow in the second book.

>reading Bakker
>sorcerers are...oppressed!
What is this X-Men shit? If you can cast fireballs by muttering a few words you'll be the most respected member of any society period

>>18882111
Are you trolling or are you seriously asking my sorcerers are treated differently ?

>>18881641
>Hated how a master explained was too autistic to talk to his gf
Siri is more like a high func autist, he takes in data and makes it human-compatible without ever understanding it

>>18882204
"Differently" is okay, but Achamian is treated like shit by nearly everyone he encounters, which makes zero sense given his abilities. It's like if Gigachad was belittled in a gym by a bunch of manlets.
It also makes little sense that large religious sects like Thousand Temples would revolve around regular humans while despising fucking miracle workers

>>18877904
>and names that sound like somebody slurring through Tolkien’s elf-languages
All of the languages in the books correspond pretty blatantly with real life languages and cultures. If you have even a veneer of education you should be able to recognise that this is some pseudo nordic language, this is pseudo arabic, this is pseudo byzantine greek, etc.

>Bakker likewise offers familiar genre clichés, just more vicious and with worse named
What the hell does this mean? Why are these people so good at going on and on without actually saying anything?

>(Orcs, but less talkative)
Nothing like orcs. Influenced, no doubt, but so is everything else in literature influenced by something.

He desperately wants Tolkien reductions here. Also 'the Pope'. Yeah, because Christians have Islamic terminology and temple prostitutes, right?

>>18877912
>whose members are rendered superhuman by their postgraduate philosophy degrees
Or two thousand years of eugenics.

I'm guessing the writer took offence at 'genre fiction' and rape, and goes from there.

Bakker is obviously only a serviceable writer, aside from certain things like character interaction and battle scenes (which he's particularly good at), but that's still miles ahead of almost all fantasy/scifi. And it is fantasy/scifi that we're reading.

>>18882111
>>18882307
>whats a chorae
>whats religion

That hack Blomkamp is on Rogan talking about Watts, some collective consciousness mumbo jumbo

Is there an author more based and redpilled than John Norman? Written in the 60s, but anticipates the current state of the west. Then straight up whipping and branding the feminism out of roasties and turning them back into obedient cocksleeves. Pure kino

>>18882307
It makes perfect sense, here's four reasons off the top of my head:
>scripture says they're damned and should be thrown out, there's also the sense they can invite this into you
>they're powerful and dangerous (most of their magic is just pure destruction), should not be allowed to climb power especially because all of them are in already-powerful schools
>their souls are literally marked for damnation and visibly ugly
>they offend god by breaking/bending the universe, his creation and laws
This is made clear many times over. Additionally, everyone makes use of sorcerers anyway because they're needed against other sorcerers. This does not make them likeable or good or somehow not damned. It's a pained necessity allowed by the powerful for worldly ambition.

>>18882493
Sorcerers would be the top of the society were it not for the hundreds or thousands of chorae held by high ranking people, chorae bowmen, priests etc. There have been scholastic wars in the past were they basically tried to kill sorcerers. You could say there is a balance of terror. Sorcerers would tremendous power but it can be dealt with. Before the holy war it probably wasn’t that bad but maithanet got the inrithi to a religious zeal. Having sorcerers in holy war was the necessary evil. Achamian is mandate sorcerer which makes him the present day equivalent of Alex Jones who tries to tell everyone that the new world order and lizard people (consult) are trying to take over. In High Ainon sorcerers rule the society and the king is the puppet of the scarlet spires. In Kianene society the Cishaurim are sacred priests even tho they are sorcerers but their metaphysics is different.

>>18882533
Are chorae explained in later books? Cause I really fail to see them being particularity dangerous, certainly not in an open confrontation with sorcerers. Sure it's one hit kill but you're still bringing whats essentially a rock to a fight with people capable of summoning dragons. How the fuck would a 'chorae bowman' do fuckall during a battle with highly maneuverable flying enemy that can incinerate whole crowds of people? It really confused me during the battle of Conphas vs Skylvendi cause the destruction of bowmen is presented as some sort of huge tactical disaster, as if a bunch of unwashed savages on horseback were totally going to ace the battle otherwise. It would make more sense if chorae were mass produced things, like common ammunition abundantly available, but apparently they're super rare artifacts one can buy a small army for.

>>18882623
Yes. Also wizards do not fly. They can walk on echo on the ground and even then not very high.

>>18882623
chorae dont even need to hit a sorceror just getting close can fuck them up severely and disable their powers at an important time.

Also wizards don't fly like superman or iron man, they just sort of float, they aren't manouverable at all.

The reason losing your chorae bowmen sucks is because then the enemy mages can actually engage, if the bowmen havent been taken out usually the sorcerors are forced to hang back.

The scylvendi are savages but they have good weapons and have consistently beaten the nansur in the last several centuries, they are the people of war and the weakest scylvendi is a better fighter than the strongest nansur.

>>18882080
Whatever the fuck "judo" meant. It better get explained.
I don't get the feeling I'm going to get a nice bow on this world. No sudden shift to the alien perspective like in the 3 body problem that gives the reader that rush of explanation, the this is right and this is wrong.

>>18879989
Learn to read.
>>18880033
>The Doors of His Face, the Lamps of His Mouth
Thanks, will check.

>>18881805
What?

>>18881064
Like simulations stuff?

>>18884197

>>18884213
It's because anything popular should be despised here, it's like a rule we've made since this chan was born.

>>18882408
>Or two thousand years of eugenics

Thats not how genetics work dumbass.

>Nothing like orcs. Influenced, no doubt, but so is everything else in literature influenced by something.

>He desperately wants Tolkien reductions here. Also 'the Pope'. Yeah, because Christians have Islamic terminology and temple prostitutes, right?


Haha, are you such a simple reader? No surprise that Bakker's your favourite

>>18880683
That's what burgerland has become these days?

>>18884263
That series was, prior to the tv show, only popular within a certain niche of the nerd community.

>>18882408
"Inrithism is the faith founded upon the revelations of Inri Sejenus, the Latter Prophet, which synthesizes elements of both monotheism and polytheism. The central tenents of Inrithism deal with the immanence of the God in historical events, the unity of the individual deities of the Cults as Aspects of the God, and the role of the Thousand Temples as the very expression of the God in the world."

This is the Catholic Church. Period.

>>18884213
Like most boards on 4chan, /lit/ is full of contrarians who thinking hating popular things is a substitute for an interesting personality. Learning to ignore the nattering of pseuds is a skill you should cultivate if you want to keep posting here, because /lit/ in particular is full of people who love to talk about books they've never read.

If you want fantasy recommendations post what you liked about ASoIaF in particular. Why is it your favorite?

>>18881602
>>18881604
Whether you like the series or not will be decided within the first few pages. The protagonist and narrator has a larger than life ego because Rothfuss is trying to write him as a larger than life hero, a guy who not only lives up to all the tall tales about himself but is actually even more impressive in person. You either can dig what he's going for, or you find it utterly intolerable and hate the main character's guts instantly and eternally. And you will know this before the prologue is over.

>>18884408
>/lit/ in particular is full of people who love to talk about books they've never read.
wait what? I like /lit/ now

Can I read Idoru without reading fist part and is it any good? That's all. Thanks.

>>18884373
its fucking islam you dumbass nigga jesus christ Shimeh is Jerusalem Sunma is Mecca, Later Prophet is Mohammad like how dumb are you

>>18884213
The Lyonesse trilogy and Earthsea. Arguably Bakker and Abercrombie because they can at least write an ending.

I don't think ASoIF is awful, but I'm not going to recommend it to anyone because it got bloated out of control and has no hope of a satisfactory conclusion.

>>18884705
>The Lyonesse trilogy
bassed
>Earthsea
shit
>Bakker
Good
> Abercrombie
bad

I mean for fucks sake what is wrong with your tastes?

>>18884705
I gifted Abercrombie to my brother but I don't think he reads. I've heard only good things about Abercrombie

>>18884730
You have heard wrong.

>>18884664
The central tenets of Fanimry deal with the solitary nature and transcendence of the God, the falseness of the Hundred Gods (who are considered demons by the Fanim), the repudiation of the Tusk as unholy, and the prohibition of all representations of the God.

Anon what does this sound like to you?

>>18884853
Sounds based. Also I have theory that the tusk was influenced by Inchoroi basically making Inrithi want to purge all sorcerers and Nonmen.

>>18884730
I despise Abercrombie but people here seem to like him for reasons I can't fathom.

>>18885060
>Also I have theory that the tusk was influenced by Inchoroi basically making Inrithi want to purge all sorcerers and Nonmen.
>theory
But that's canon, Anon.
The Inchies literally taught humanity how to write. They compiled all of the cultural beliefs of the Tribes of Eänna into the Tusk and then added "oh btw kill all Nonmen and sorcerers lel."

Fane=Mohammed
Fanimry=Islam
Kian=Araby
Sejenus=Jesus
Inrithi=Christian
Shriah=Pope
The Tractate=New Testament
Tusk=Old Testament
Shimeh=Jerusalem
Caraskand=Antioch
Sumna=Rome (or Constantinople)

How hard is that to get through your thick skulls anons

>>18884459
Yes, Idoru is disconnected enough from the book that comes "before" that you can read it as a standalone. It's also the best of that trilogy.

I have it on good authority that Wind of Winter will be released early next year

>>18879945
I like different types of sci-fi.

Like books that are based on quantum physics, like The Quantum Series by Douglas's Phillips. Also space operas that are less about the science and more about the setting and characters. And I also like sci-fi about AI and cybernetics, humans becoming cyborgs and the evolution of mankind. Then there are sci-fi books about real apocalyptic events and nature.

Have you read it yet? It is really good. The second book is also out now.

>>18885304
do people even care anymore at this point

>>18885467
show normies don't, those who took the time to read the books do

>>18885433
>woman author
>highly rated by other women on goodreads
Trash, women writing (scifi) is trash, if scifi written by a woman is even rated highly by other women then it is absolute trash and cancer.

>>18885525
Chud pls go.

>>18885537
Onions

>>18877904
You are either intentionally misrepresenting the book, or you lack the ability to understand it. I expect nothing less from someone who beats off to Guy Gabriel Gay.
>Anälsybarite Killhöuse
Ok, this made me kek
>Bakker does not have any philosophical treatise or thesis to propose
He literally does though and it's in the book, you midwit mongoloid
>>18884352
>Thats not how genetics work dumbass.
That is exactly how genetics work, pseud

>>18885525

>>18884730
Abercrombie is based af. Don't listen to the litrpg trannies

>>18885159
Zeum=British Isles
Golgotterath=Finland >>18885551

>>18885525
CS Friedmans Black Sun Rising is based, but all other womxyn authors are trash, including
>>18885552
Not reading your gynophilic space trash, Ms Jewes

>>18885627
>Not reading your gynophilic space trash, Ms Jewes

>>18885632
Typical transoid response. "Mockery" with zero substance to soothe your bruised ego. I can almost see the seething wojak

>>18885692
>reeeeeee noooooo not a woman
>this is male genocided
>how can this be happening

>>18885706
>jewjak.jpg
Ah yes, there it is

>>18885552
On what merit did she get published? Not having Y chromosome?

>>18885730
Stay mad over women who are more successful than you will ever be, Chud.

>>18885738
>Stay mad over women who are more successful than you will ever be, Chud.

>>18885738
She's neither talented nor more successful than me. And I'm not mad because I haven't wasted my time reading your trannies in space Harry Potter adventure, Ms jewes

>>18885736
>>18885748
Seething incels with rent free trannies in their heads.

>>18885692
>zero substance
You want substance? Well here you go: liberal, marxist, sjw, misandrist, feminist, antiwhite, pro nigger, faggot, tranny, pro choice, globalist, pro immigration open borders kike, is that enough substance for you?

>>18885754
>She's neither talented nor more successful than me
C O P E

>>18885764
I don't have to cope. I've made over a milly on crypto while doing nothing but reading books and making trannies seethe

>>18885789
Sure thing kid, you keep coping.

>>18885799
Lmfao tranny btfo and seething when confronted with the truth, as always. 41% yourself

>>18885812
>he's such a incel that he pretends to be a Crypto millionaire to cope with a woman being more successful than he ever will be
Kee coping, kid.

>>18885823
I’m not millionanon, but I 700kanon and I guarantee that’s more than that hole got for her terrible scribblings. Imagine not having a fat stack of linkies in 2021. Embarrassing.

>>18885843
Keep coping

>>18885754

>>18885757
>Seething incels with rent free trannies in their heads.

>>18885855

>>18885885
this white boy vs this black MAN

>>18885799
>>18885823
>>18885880
Just imagine, if you will:
>Instead of virtue signaling on Twitter and Reddit for 6 years before washing up here in the aftermath of the 2020 election, you had rejected marxism and accepted that you are, and always will be, a man
>Summer 2015, you decide not to take the hormones, and instead respect your body, mind, and soul
>You visit /fit/ for the body, /pol/ for the mind, /sffg/ for the soul
>And once you have that straightened out you decide to stop by /BIZ/ to help save up for the family you've always wanted
You could be rich too. Instead you chose communism and self mutilation.

>>18885843
Nice gains bro. Our linkies stay stinky

>>18885905
You have to go back.

bakker reads like unironic fedoralord fantasy so far

>>18885905
>You could be rich too. Instead you chose communism and self mutilation.
rent free

>>18885921
Why do you think it gets shilled here so much? There are posters that are unironically looking forward to Rothfuss' next book, and plenty are happy to read Sanderson.

>>18885905
Based millionanon

>>18885927
they know if they didn't shill and over post their unfinished series will die into obscurity

>>18885905
>/pol/ for the mind

>>18885960
>worswordswordswords

Holy shit, just how much seethe and cope the mere mention of a woman has caused these incels.

Take you fucking meds. H4r2w

>>18885918
>>18885926
>>18885960
>You have to go back
Go back where? The Greek isles are nice this time of year, but I didn't really like the food. I guess I could go back to Japan since I didn't get to check out Osaka last time, but I hear the humidity is miserable in the summer. I've been thinking Lincolnshire, England, so I can see the lands my family used to own, but that wouldn't be going back you see, because I haven't been there yet. I won't tell you to go back though, because those "titty skittles" have permanently ruined your male sexual organs and there is, sadly, no going back for you..

>>18885932
God, just watch them squirm! It's almost beautiful...

>>18886006
We aren't the ones having a mental breakdown over a woman anon.

You need to cope harder and seethe less.

>>18886006
You have to go back.

>>18876986
>>18876929
this is stupid and doesn't solve the problem, you can construct the scene to make it sound plausable but what you want is to make it believable, to fit and make sense.

a friend of mine wrote a book recently and she had her MC get kidnapped and when they go to bury her she gets a lucky kick in the balls on the drunk kidnapper, gets his gun and kills him, and also some other shit, it was completely possible that something like that could happen in real life in theory but it's just forced, it's too obvious that the author shoehorned every little detail there so that the MC would get away with it.

you might need to rework the character or the plot so that the fight is one she can win and it makes sense that she wins it, or probably better yet don't have her fight, have someone else fight if you want but have her do something else

>>18881425
They do the same things different there
Stories of your life

>>18886015
This projection, when confronted with the reality of a successful, white, heterosexual American male (tall and attractive too, if I may be permitted to toot my own horn), is unreal. Please scroll up and read your own posts, bunkertranny
>>18886027
Which one? Greece or Japan? I'm afraid covid restrictions will spoil my vacay but I may do just that when things relax

>>18876594
Go out and get into a couple bar fights. Nothing beats experience

>>18886060
You have to go back.

>mfw this collection has a story dedicated to Clark Ashton Smith and a story dedicated to David Carradine

>>18886060
Anon, just look at how the mere mention of a woman has triggered you into pretending to be a Crypto millionaire so you can cope over her being more successful than you will ever be.

Keep coping anon, if women trigger you this much maybe you should kys.

>>18886092
>CAS
Based af. What's the collection?
>>18886095
>Pretending

>>18886006
>Go back where?

>>18886126
You have to go back

>>18886139
pol will accept you

>>18886113

>>18885304
Posthumously, due to nacho cheese induced cardiac arrest. The rest of the series will then be shat out within 6 months be Brando Sanderson

>>18886126
Kek. I was posting on /his/ and /lit/ before /pol/. This is my original home. How long have you been here, bunkertranny?

>>18886154
Thanks anon I'll check it out

>>18886159
>This is my original home.
/pol/ rotted your mind

>>18885552
Fixed that for you.

>>18884664
Idiot. Shimeh is Rome and Sunma is Jerusalem. Read about the real crusades please

>>18886209
Top tier anon

>>18885159
If you dont realize this from the first sentences in the books you deserve the rancid tripe that bakker is serving you

>>18886209
still a published author, cope and seethe edting photos and posting on chud pol while she publish another one

>>18885551
Please tell me how a measley 2000 years of eugenics have given rise to those superlevels of intellligence described in the books.

Or are you simply a Lamarckian?

this is what I think of when I read about the Black Seed in Bakker books

>>18886165
Absolutely OBSESSED. Back to bunkerchan now
>>18886209
Top kek, good sir

>>18886243
>simping for an author

Yikes, my dude.

>>18886243
She is a female, she can publish female fiction garbage everyday of the week

>>18886286
>Unheard of author
>Shilling on sffg
>Endless female tier defense of her "accomplishment"
I think it's actually her, guys

>>18886209
Cope harder

>>18886263
Not him, but we don’t have an explanation for this yet. We still don’t know where the Dunyain came from. The series is clearly not finished yet. People claiming otherwise are just coping.

>>18886209
Why would I cope?
You think your waifu author is pure? She probably deepthroated at least 30 guys she never saw again during her years at college.

ye Bakker boys, take dat BLACK SEED

>>18886263
It's a fucking fantasy book with dragons and giants and shit. Who cares if it's even physically possible to attain that level of brainpower no matter the time span. My point was that that is indeed how evolution works and how the Dunyain were created, not whatever the blogposter was saying.
>>18886367
30 is fud. She's got that thousand cock stare. She has embraced The Thousandfold Cock, if you will

>>18886419
>thousand cock stare
it takes thousand white cocks to make women have the stares, but it only take ONE Black Seed to make her look stoned for life

>>18886209
Why the fuck does her irises look like she is a frog from the naruto anime?

>>18886444
you know why white boy

>seething about female authors
Who the fuck cares.

>>18886457
Is there supposed to be a comma after why? With the phrase after that comma being the answer?

>>18879241
Deadhouse gates

>>18886436
That's not stoned, it's a mixture of shame and violent head trauma from paying the coal toll. Always remember: Once you go black, we won't take you back

>>18886485
Is it really, though? That was still the best book he ever wrote, don’t get me wrong.

>>18886494
>paying the coal toll
thas right, Black Men will tame white women for white boys

>>18886474
Apparently enough people do to derail the thread.

Don't let the tranny simps derail the next thread, bros.

>>18886555
They weren’t the only ones derailing the thread

>>18886557
Didn’t ask.

>>18886561
We accept your surrender.

>bunkertranny seething so hard he has to resort to niggerposting
We accept your defeat
>>18886555
Trips of truth checked

>>18886542
And the thread was good until then.

>>18886574
Mods won’t do shit

>>18886565
Not my problem.

New thread
>>18886585

>>18886568
>nigger
thas what white girl call me when i'm giving them dat BLACK SEED, it makes them feel kinky because they have a RACIS famiy

>>18886588
Thread already looks like it’s getting derailed. You fags just can’t help yourselves.

>>18886474
Incel Chudds who get triggered by there mere mention of women.

>>18884408
>learning to ignore pseuds is a skill you ought to learn in order to post on /lit/
says the pseud

>>18886499
I would say it is. Sure you could probably piece it together by the end but regardless the events that unfold are pretty shocking.

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>>18886588
And the thread is derailed.

>>18886660
Nah, I actually read the books I talk about.

>>18885941
This.