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>filtered by Chadmenides

>>18876668
My nigga.

>>18876668
You seriously think motion is impossible? You going outside and walking around is all just an illusion?

>>18876696
Refute my paradoxes of motion.

>>18876706
State the paradox in a clear way while pointing out where the paradox lies and I will refute it.

>>18876717
>>18876706
The refutation is that it's a nonsequitur. To travel a distance of 1 meter the object first needs to travel 1/2 then 1/4 then 1/8 and so on, passing infinitely many such points. So what? How does it follow that motion is impossible? It doesn't.

>>18876659
Don't you mean Zeno?

Also yes it's absurd. Since time is also infinitely divisible it's moot

>>18876706
>>18876717
>>18876769

Zeno argues fallaciously. For he says that if
everything is always at rest when it is so with regard to what is equal to itself, and what is in movement is always like that in a now, then an arrow that is in spatial movement is unmoving. But this is false. For time is not composed of
indivisible nows any more than any other magnitude is composed of indivisibles.

>>18876782
It wasn't just Zeno.

>>18876783
Brainlet.
The Chad Zeno filtered more people per word than anyone in history.

Zeno's paradoxes are just testing logic.

>>18876769
In the time Achilles would use to catch up to a tortoise, the tortoise would have moved however slightly ahead; if Achilles catches up again, the situation repeats, therefore it is impossible for Achilles to surpass the tortoise and what we percieve as motion is an illusion. The confutation is that space is not infinetely divisible.

ITT People who haven't taken Calculus but who, unlike the Greeks, have no excuse for their ignorance.

>>18876880
You need exactly 0 calculus to understand the issue and resolve the paradox.

>>18876706
Zeno uses mathematical model of motion. Then he falsely assumes the sum of the infinite number of terms is infinite.

>>18876706
The paradox only exists if there is an observer recording the motion. Kill yourself and its no longer a problem.

>>18876659
He's correct but the paradoxical argument he uses is not why. All motion is an illusion.

>>18877352
>All motion is an illusion
Why? Prove it.

>>18876880

>>18876844
>therefore it is impossible for Achilles to surpass the tortoise and what we percieve as motion is an illusion
No, it means that your understanding of motion and time is insufficient, not that motion and time do not exist. Your conclusion is incorrect

>>18877417
It is not my conclusion, it was Zeno's; I simply said that motion not existing is a reasonable conclusion to draw from the thought experiment despite the correct one being different.

>>18876659
>>18876782
>>18876793
It's not an argument for eleatic (parmenidean) monism, but a challenge to pluralism

>>18877366
Not him but:
1. Spacial measurements are all relative
2. Spacial distance is relative.
3. Any number multiplied by 0 is 0.
4. The universe can be considered a point.

Indeed

>>18876659
Parmenides and McKenna are the ultimate filters.

>>18876659
>Was Parmenides retarded? Serious question.
No. Ancient people were as intelligent as us. Parmenides is talking about logos, not matter. Movement is a matter thing, Concepts can remain the same through time. Even if we understand that ideas can be deformed by time and sometimes by our own will (as Heraclitus said), logical ideas are eternal (Parmenides was the first logician -as far as I know).

>>18876880
>He think math is real

Never going to make it senpai.

>>18879215
what is "real", anon, if not math?

>>18876717
I just know Zeno's, which is that for an object to move from point A to point B, it would have to also move through every decimal in between these points, and since we can draw up an infinite number of decimals, it means the object must move through an infinite amount of space. This wasn't so much in order to disprove motion, but to show how our methods of measuring the world are inherently flawed and thus limited.

>>18876706
*walks past you*