/lit/ - Literature

>>18857820
Shit OP picture

After reading the illuminating works of the visionary-philosopher-turned-writer R. Scott Bakker, I finally embraced my sexuality. Raw anal sex with stray dogs was all I needed to feel complete in life. I seek to explore more of this newfound experience, like my favourite character Omarhabib Kellus!

>>18857820
>Book Club
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/22816087-seveneves

18 weds: part 1
22 sun: part 2
26 thurs: part 3

Kneel before the Gu.

>>18857846
Is that literature? Looks like comic book or video format? Please explain

>>18857858
Reverend Insanity is a huge novel. It got a manga adaptation. This meme is from there.

>>18857838
I actually became a BVLL after reading Bakker.

Is it true that Le Guin is racist?

>>18857959
She seems to dislike white people.

>Absolutely based, anon. If I provide an email can you please send me what you wish? Also a Bakkerchad, also have lost all hope for TNG, and also working on my own gnostic/Nietzschean fantasy novel.

Still alive?

>>18857976
So, who exactly keeps shilling that hag here? Is just one tranny? Or a couple of females?

I don’t care either way, I will never read a female author.

>>18857976
If I remember correctly one of major plot points in Earthsea was that darkies were in the wrong since they catastrophically fucked life-death cycle with magic, while northerners (whites) were fine without doing this.

>>18858120
>>18857995
>>18857976
>>18857959
Who cares

>>18857827
make the NeXT thread then and do better. It's easy to criticize when you do nothing to contribute.

>>18858310
I don’t have 24/7 to monitor the thread like the NEET OP.

>>18858272
I do.

>>18858317
Didn’t ask

>>18857995
she was the original libtard

>>18858327
I accept your defeat.

Lisa is very gfe, except you're going to be her g

>>18858336
Didn’t offer

>>18858327
You did.

>>18858342
Not my problem.

>>18858342
I accept your surrender, then.

I unironic ally am having more thoughtful and on topic discussions on the fucking western erotic games thread on aco.
WTF is going on on this general? why is it just incessant shitposting?

>>18858368
Bitter people who can't become the next Nabokov, Falkner or Joyce trying to hurt others.

>>18858371
Nice projecting.

>>18858310
You will never be a woman.

>>18858368
>>18858371
This general is ruined as long as anime apes exist to make it worse. Sandersoys can stay if they keep Cosmere posting in a minimum.

>>18858463
But Sanderson is a such a lovable tub of lard

>>18858478
No GRI.

>>18858478
https://youtu.be/p75vj0omEM0

Only been two books but I think Weirkey is shaping up to be a better take on western xianxia/progression fantasy than Cradle.

>>18858659
Didn’t ask

>>18858368
The TLDR is bakker autists were being annoying, people realized that putting anime in the OP images triggered the bakker autists, so they started doing that, so bakker autists started intentionally shitting up threads in "retaliation".
Autism.

>>18858673
No, not really.

>>18858673
it didn’t happen like this faggot

>18858673
This is yet another post made by the person trying to stir shit up, do not fall for it.

>>18858673
Thank you for advertising Bakker.

>>18857827
I know the average /lit/ poster will do anything to prove that they have 160 IQ and that everyone else is a brainless automaton, but attacking the thread OP picture? That's low.

>>18858743
You will never be a woman.

>>18858753
Astute observation, Mr Midwit

>>18858764
Didn’t ask.

/sffg/ - worst general of them all. it’s nonfunctional at this point. wtf is wrong with you faggots?

Anime trannies don’t belong here.

>>18858775
No one’s forcing you to stay here.

>>18858753
kys

>>18858798
i made the original version of pic related, pal. i want to stay, but i have no reason to anymore

the torment of this accursed General...

>>18858812
I also created some Bakker memes myself. Just ignore the anime incels and the filtered scat schizo, and you’re good.

>>18858843
So ignore 90% of posts.

>>18858272
Why do you support racists?

>>18858843
And the incessant bakker posting as well, you faggots just don't stop do you? nor do you take responsibility for you actions. When 80% of the thread is dedicated to pissing off bakker posters or talking about bakker and shilling him nonstop you can see the issue congregate around a certain group.

>>18858991
Because I'm racist.

>>18859001
Not my problem.

>>18859001
Bakkerchads will shit up threads and theres nothing you can do about it tranny. cope.

>>18859001
>nor do you take responsibility for you actions.
Lol

>>18859001
We accept your surrender .

>>18859001
Didn’t ask.

Bakkerbros why do they get so angry at us when we ruin these threads?

>>18859011
Why?

>>18859034
Because I'm on 4chan.

>>18859036
Non sequitur.

>>18859034
Because they will find me guilty of something no matter how hard I try to comply, so might as well wear brown shirt and do gamer salute right away.

Why won't Bakkernegroids just go to /tg/ where they belong?

Why don’t you guys discuss Sanderson here?

>>18859064
We don't want them

>>18859064
Not my problem.

I’m new to reading.

What should I read?

What do you look for in a book to know whether or not you should continue reading it? What makes you quit reading a book?

>>18859103
>What makes you quit reading a book?
Bad characters and bad politics break immersion.

>>18859097
What exactly are you interested in?

>>18859097
Do not listen to >>18859113
It does not matter what you want. You will read https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/301538.The_Darkness_That_Comes_Before

>>18859113
Mature(for adults, not necessarily pornographic)Fantasy.

>>18859115
Why? What’s that book about?

>>18859065
Because he's too wholesome.

>>18859120
Then you might actually want to try Bakker even though anon above mostly advises it for memes.

>>18859120
Try Malazan.

>>18859132
?

>>18859143
Not enough gay rape

>>18859150
I don’t recall Sanderson having any rape in his novels, much less gay rape.

>>18859162
Yes, that would be the entire point.

>>18857827
This. Anime is alright but animefags in the specific sense of fags who want to convert every other medium to a shallow anime equivalent are always the biggest brainlets.

>>18859133
>>18859115
Is this person respected in the fantasy community?
She really seems to dislike the book. Are you guys being honest, or just meming for the the lols?
https://youtu.be/exDVJXYEFSM

>>18859065
Not a lot to discuss. He wrote a few decent YA novels and a whole lot of shit. Like a much less interesting Piers Anthony.

>>18859178
She's a woman. This is the extent of what you need to know regarding her opinions on any given matter.

>>18859178
So basically her problems with this is
>Don't understand what's going on with certain aspects of the world
Everything is explained through the story, just not in 1st book.
>Muh sexism
He actually bothered to depict medieval world ruled by not-Abrahamic religions as it is with all its aspects without filtering it through modern gay prism, it is supposed to be harsh and brutal, how the fuck is that a problem?

>>18859286
Uhh, books should be a safe space FUCKFACE?!

>>18859310
It gives a reader good reason to feel very safe through realizing they're not living in times that inspired book's setting.

Is there any science fiction like Repo Man? I think the closest I've gotten so far is with A Scanner Darkly. Like, the science fiction parts are very understated and it's set in essentially the present day, present time.

>>18859107
What are bad characters/politics?

>>18857820
Anime is for gays

>>18859547
Sanderson comes to mind.

>>18859574
Explain

>>18859574
He’s YA. What did you expect?

Books that feel like Tool music videos?

>>18859830
The holy Bible.

>>18859286
First argument is valid. Bakker is too far up his philosophical arse to notice the trainwreck that is the narrative. I'm halfway through the first book and absolutely nothing about the cental plot is explained and the lore is dispensed with the casuality of some overexcited RPG GM. What the fuck are the religions and how do they work, why do Tusk niggas hate Fanim niggas, whats their cultures like, how do they look, what are Schools, who and how are they governed by, how do they differ from one another etc give me at least some nitty gritty not just grandiose statements about the nature of humanity. Shit better pick up the pulse because so far this book isn't buying me for the sequel.

>>18859860
He recognizes he would have written the first book differently. Its also not bad.

>>18859352
>the science fiction parts are very understated and it's set in essentially the present day, present time.
Never Let Me Go. Completely different vibe from ASD, though.

>>18857874
It fanmade manga, it is shit, even if it was official manga, story like reverend insanity cannot be adapted to manga/anime/live action without loosing too much

im working on my 3rd draft now.
i had it originally as a slow burn, but decided adding more suspense and internal push and pull instead of ending it off as a tragedy with no cathartic ending after a character death.
i did that to leave the question of if the MC will prevail afterwards, but with the suspense added, i feel i should give him catharsis and get back at the enemy.
my problem comes in with what the climax would even be anymore, because i already had his emotional developmental climax before the character death, to then question his values (and the readers) with the character death.
but if i give him catharsis afterwards it would be a second climax. both of them would be happening in the last 20% of the story too. it doesnt feel right.

so for the moment, im stuck. im unsure how to give him or the reader catharsis, and the character death was supposed to be the ending, but i dont think i can have my cake and eat it too.

i suppose i can add the intrigue, suspense, and whatever else as i planned, but end with the character death still and not to continue past it.

im probably being too vague, so if any initial advice doesn't seem to help ill just drop a link to the draft, its just too long that i doubt anyone would read it. about 10000 words at he moment, and ill probably add 2 more scenes after what i considered writing this message.

>>18859572
I am gay and can confirm

>>18860059
Does your story have niggers/fags/trannys/sjws/progressive marxist agenda?

>>18860059
Did you write your draft as well as that message here? I’m fucking hyped.

>>18860059
>doesnt outline his big plot events beforehand
>whines like a washed pig

I'm really curious what percentage of regular posters in this thread are ESL. I'm guessing over 50%.

>>18858368
Bakker. No other group shits up the thread by even a modicum of Bakkerposting. And no, the anti-Bakker posters are not the problem, like they cry each time. I don't engage in the flame wars normally, but this thread is ridiculous, is there even a single post of worth here? Racebaiting about Le Guinn does not count.
>>18859001
at this point the /sffg/ is a Bakker general, with all of the retardiation and Soya posting that a mono topic general brings

>>18858368
I've tried reporting the spam but mods don't give a shit lol

>>18860162
Do we count americans as ESL? Considering that most mutts these days speak exclusively ebonics and couldn't construct a proper sentence to save their brown skin it seems fair.

>>18860162
I would take ESL over EOL any day.

>>18860275
This

Gormenghast, y/n?
The quick description sounds like my jam, my only reservation is that the author is a bong.

>>18860332
Yes

>>18860332
Y
short summary
>reads like a stage play
>employs some interesting writing techniques
>vivid characters
>can be imagined as a normal medieval tale without a drop of magic, or as bizarre as The Dark Crystal by Jim Henson
>amazing showdown

>>105347431
dolphin is addictive but it's not that great of a song. definitely not even top 10 for omg

I just marathoned the cradle series, mother of learning, and then worm parahumans. What were my thoughts and criticisms now that I've completed them? Do I look back fondly and with satisfaction? Or was I disappointed?

>>18859860
Literally RAFO

>>18860244
I’m as ESL as it gets, and my English (written production, vocabulary etc.) is still better than a lot of British People I’ve met during the years.

>>18857820
I was watching a BranSan lecture and he said e-books have had a recent upswing where authors will write a series that's made up of super short episodic style books that get released biweekly/monthly.
Does anyone have a series like this they could recommend? I'm curious

>>18860685
You should try:>>>/a/

>>18860685
>e-books
It's called Kindle Vella and its supposed to harken back to the days of serialization. But I think Amazon wants the web novel Market.

>>18859982
Read it in sixth form. Embarrassing tryhard shit.

>>18859860
absolutely filtered lamo. literally all that is in the books you worm

>>18860332
it is fantasy literature at its peak but it is also the bongest fantasy book of all time

>>18860892
Will it ever be topped?

>>18860886
Who is the guys with no skin? Also. Nomen don’t have pointy ears.

>>18859860
>Bakker is too far up his philosophical arse to notice the trainwreck that is the narrative.
Honestly, after learning more about him, this is the correct assessment. He was dropped because he's insufferable to work with. he has an ego the size of Quebec, and a personality to go along with the worst of them. he refused to meaningfully edit the aspect-emperor series, wastes years and thousands of dollars in delays and plot dead-ends, ends up copying/pasting things from his earlier books and changing up some of the words with a thesaurus. then proceeds to try to mainline cannibal holocaust into the series and acts offended that it's not a commercial success.

Then he basically hides away teaching community college because he can't finish his fucking phD, periodically masturbates while screeching about drumpf on his disastrous blog, and to top it all off, likely got addicted to painkillers for a time.

>>18860913
based bakkerseethe copypasta

>>18857982
Hi there sorry for the delay. Get in touch with me please, I would enjoy hearing from you and reading your work in progress.

>yearofthetusk4132
at
>protonmail dot com

>>18860212
No one’s forcing you to stay here.

Any Japanese /sffg/ that’s worthwhile?

>>18861079
Legend of the Galactic Heroes

>>18861079
How the fuck should I know?

>>18861079
Kwaidan: Stories and Studies of Strange Things.

>>18861079
One Piece, Bleach.

>>18860162
I'm EFL considering I have never set foot in an English-speaking country

>>18861092
>>18861123
I want books

>>18861095
Well YOU wouldn’t.

>>18861107
Read it already. Not exactly fantasy anyway.

>>18861250
>Well YOU wouldn’t.
I though you wanted a Japanese general like /sffg/. You should rephrase your request.

does /sffg/ like the Foreigner series?

>>18861250
Legend of the Galactic Heroes are books.

This book is becoming a SLOG

>>18861079
Why Japanese? You should know that Japanese culture revolves around Manga. There is virtually nothing worthwhile otherwise. /sffg/‘s canon is western.

>>18861345
You haven’t seen nothing yet, believe me. It’s all downhill from there.

>>18861345
Dont waste your life anon. The ending is pretty cool, but then you'll have to go through it all over again for the next book. Sanderson purposely writes his books to be as boring as possible so the ending stands out.

>>18861345
I wanted to get into it because I thought the setting was somewhat unique with the crabs and such. But I found the prose so grindingly bad and insulting to my intelligence that I had to put it down after the first two chapters.

>>18861345
First two books were bearable, the third and forth were unoriginal trash.

>>18861363
How is the prose bad?

>>18861402
It’s not necessarily bad, it’s practically nonexistent.

>>18861412
Any examples on hand?

>>18861079
Six Expressions of Death - Mojo Mori

>>18861463
Mojo Mori is a pen name, he's a white weeb and that novel was never published in Japanese.

>>18861437
I’m on mobile, but I’m sure that some other anon can post one or two examples of it. It’s not uncommon to see people ridiculing his prose here.

>>18861333
Didn’t know that. Thanks.

>>18861471
So? Read it anyways, you queer.

>>18861491
They started out as novels before making an anime of it.

>>18861079
All You Need is Kill, the better version that inspired Edge of Toamorrow

Should I just bite the bullet and read malazan? it's either that or game of thrones since i can't seem to find any fantasy epic to read, and the meme about "the more she drank the more she shat" don't give me any confidence in that book series.

>>18861604
Both are bad choices. Branch out and read something from a different genre.
There's legitimately plenty of self published shit that's better than both of those series. That isn't a high bar and the quality of self pubbed stuff is pretty bad, but at least it's not *that* bad.
If you're fixated on epic fantasy try the Crimson Queen series by Alec Hutson.

>>18861604
There’s nothing wrong with Malazan. It’s not as good as Bakker, but it’s still worth it. Martin isn’t half as bad as people claim either. He’s just hated because of the TV Show’s popularity.

>>18861619
I already have a back log of other stuff to read, but not "fantasy epics", which is what I want to read right now. I'm tired of sci-fi and historical fiction.

>>18861630
>There’s nothing wrong with Malazan
there is plenty wrong with Malazan, if you are able to enjoy Bakker you should be able to realize this.
>Martin isn’t half as bad as people claim either. He’s just hated because of the TV Show’s popularity.
some of the hate does come from hat but he is genuinely disliked for other reasons such as inherent laziness when it comes to writing his book or the clear misses he has in some plot's and prose of his.

>>18861604
Read both. They’re both good series.

>>18860677
That is most likely false. Even if you have good pronounciation that is (subjectively) even better than some local British accent and have rich vocabulary compared to a normal working class brit, your English and your literary writing skill and ability will never be as good as that of someone who is native British speaker and a writer.
Unless you are 1 in a hundred million legitimate genius.

>>18861814
You just proved his point.

>>18861350
Surely not everyone in Japan can draw manga, there must be people who have artistic and creative abilities in story telling and writing?

>>18861630
>There’s nothing wrong with Malazan.

>>18861828
>>18861740
Not him, but go on tell me what is wrong with mazalan people say it's bad but never say why it's bad.

>>18861821
He is a genius? I don't think I proved it.

>>18861827
there is and there is plenty but it's "obviously" in Japanese and often in archaic Japanese which is filled with kanjis that are a fucking but to translated, and even if translated properly lose most of the significance they once held.
What does translate well is trite that is simplistically written, for obvious reasons, so that is what comes to the west.

>>18861814
1.His reading comprehension is already probably better than yours.
2. You’re in way over your head if you think that the average citizen has a good level of literacy.
3. The fact that he actually reads (and not just in English) already puts him on another level with regards to vocabulary alone.
4. English is very easy to learn and master.

>>18861836
But you did.

>>18861814
You are incredibly naive.

>>18861860
I can agree with all your points except mastering English is insanely difficult and very few non native speakers ever achieve it.

>>18861882
> mastering English is insanely difficult and very few non native speakers ever achieve it.
The cope is real.

>>18861890
What's cope about it?

>>18861835
It's obscenely bloated; even the writer said so. The "humor" is terrible and Erikson thinks he's a real funny guy so it's all over the place. More focus is on pointless world-building than the actual stories. This ties into the bloat, but the cast of characters is enormous for the sake of being enormous and you won't give a shit about the vast majority of them. The YAS KWEEN SLAYing gradually becomes very obnoxious. And not to spoiler the ending, but it's definitely a wet fart with the writer himself basically saying through a few characters "LOL I AIN'T GOTTA EXPLAIN SHIT."

>>18858553
You calling Brandon Baby Gorilla?

>>18861896
That mastering English is difficult.

>>18861900
fuck it i will start the elric saga instead then.

Is there any good sci fi similar to pic related? Or just good hard sci fi in general.

>>18861930
Natives don't even master English.

>>18861936
Yes, the rest of Al's oeuvre.

>>18861827
There are, but not nearly as much as you might think. When I mentioned Manga, I didn’t do it in a deprecating manner. It’s a huge part of their culture and serves as a better medium than literature to portray fantasy universes.

>>18861938
>English is the easiest language in the world to master.
Happy now?

>>18861950
this is also false, I believe there was a study that found the new simplified version of Korean the easiest language to master and learn.

>I go
>you go
>she/he/it goes
>we go
>you go
>they go
How will I ever master this complex language, bros?

>>18861934
If you're a big fan of bloated epic grimderp fantasy then go ahead and read it. All I'm saying is when I read the series it was the first time I had to skim through entire pages; not paragraphs, but PAGES. There are sections where you can literally skip a dozen or more pages and still know perfectly well what's happening without anything major happening in those skipped-over pages.

One example I'll give you: in the last book I believe an extremely minor character does something major in the story and it happens in the middle of a huge battle and the writer decided that THIS was the best time to give us the absolutely useless backstory to this almost pointless character. And it goes on for PAGES. I was actually stunned when it happened because it came across like something you'd see in a comedy movie.

>>18861961
You won’t. Not even English people are able to.

>>18861942
I already read his other books though. Revelation Space series was great though. Are there any other things I should check out though?

>>18861984
Too late I already started Elric of Melniboné and it was just what I was looking for.

>>18862018
If you really want *hard* SF there's Greg Egan. Permutation City / Diaspora are 2 great books.

>>18861950
>>18861961
Found the monolinguists.

>>18862029
Would you recommend it.

I tried getting into the Thomas the covenant series because some anon here said it was good, but the protagonist is such a winy little e bitch it's hard to get past even the first book. Does it get any better? if not I'm' just dropping it here the guys is insufferable.

>>18862069
I just started it so i can't say for sure. I'm 4 chapter in and so far it's great, but do keep in mind the chapters are very very short so am about a 10th into the book.

>>18862067
Thanks, those look really cool anon

>>18862029
I'm not a fan of Elric myself, but S&S is BASED.

I just finished The Wheel of Time. What did I think of it?

>>18862121
if you finished it you must have liked it, and you smut be crazy, because otherwise you would have dropped it several books ago.

>>18862095
>S&S
Swords and sandal? Been meaning to read a few of them, but don’t know where to start.

>>18862137
My friend warned me about a rough patch and it certainly delivered
I'm convinced someone can skip Crossroads of Twilight and not even notice aside from the short bits at the end

>>18862139
sword and sorcery tho if anyone wants to recommend sword and sandals books i will welcome them as well.

>>18862139
Sword & Sorcery. You can start with the classics: Robert E. Howard's Conan stories. And if you like those then read his Solomon Kane, Bran Mak Morn, and Kull stories.

>>18862139
>>18862170
And if you want some longform S&S then check out David Gemmell's stuff; specifically his Drenai series. It's unique in that Gemmell was writing S&S for an Epic Fantasy market since S&S literature all but died in the 80s.

>>18862137
>smut

>>18862076
i dropped it after the 2nd book, he doesn't really get any better and the plot/worldbuilding is this weird mix of dark stuff and kinda tame and childish enemies and wholesome chungus people of the land

>>18862076
>Thomas the covenant
Anons here only read the series because of the rape scene, other than that, it has nothing going for it.

>>18862245
No, people here only read it because people were seething at the rape so they assume it was good.

>>18861900
>obscenely bloated
perhaps compared to a stand-alone, but it's nowhere as bad as you're making it out to be
>"humor" is terrible
i guess not every writer can be bill hicks? idk, i think there's quite a lot of understated humor, as well as a lot of black humor in the series
>YAS KWEEN SLAYing
wtf are you on about? there's some strong female characters and some strong male characters. there's a lot of female characters that get their asses handed to them, along with a lot of male ones.

i feel like you didn't really read the series at all as anyone with half a brain can see that the climax of TCG actually manages to stick the landing pretty well, especially when compared against the vast majority of fantasy series. if you can't see that, that's entirely on you and your 8th grade reading comprehension, not on erikson

>>18862322
Yes, anon; I've never read the series. I never read the boring trek of those shitty little orphans, I never read about Karsa Orlong raping all the women in a village, I never read about that lesbian general killing her own sister who was a giant slut. Never read any of it. Totally made it all up.

>>18862351
At least you admit you were lying.

>>18862076
I heard it gets good in the last fucking book. I finished the first. I will never bother continuing.

>>18862355
Nice try.

>>18862357
>I heard it gets good in the last fucking book.
Of the first or second chronicles?

if anything most of the female characters in malazan are weak and don't get an yass kween moments.

The empress is a retard who constantly gets owned by everyone including kellenved, Felisin is a dumb whore and all the most powerful and badass characters are male. The only powerful female character is kilimandros and she's some kind of ugly bull dyke, and the forkrul assail.

>>18862322
>>obscenely bloated
>perhaps compared to a stand-alone, but it's nowhere as bad as you're making it out to be
It's pretty bloated as published series go. The opportunity cost of picking up something like Malazan is non-negligible.

>>18862456
This list should be updated.

>>18862456
Jesus, what books needs over a million words to tell their story?

>>18862456
>No Wolfe
>No Bakker
>LotR is only listed as 3 books
Absolutely unacceptable...

>>18862503
>>LotR is only listed as 3 books
Yeah, no shit, it consists of three volumes

>>18862511
>The Hobbit
>The Silmarillion
>The Unfinished Tales
>The Children of Húrin
>The Fall of Gondolin
>The Lays of Beleriand
>The Histories of Middle-Earth
>Morgoth's Ring
etc. etc.

>muh three volumes
Whoever made that list is a pathetic Tolkienlet like you, anon.

>>18862511
It consists of 6 books but you'd know that if you'd ever read it
Fellowship is 2
Two Towers is 2
Return of the King is 2

>>18862516
>>18862520
It's three books, The Fellowship of the Ring, The Two Towers and The Return of the King. Just because they divide it internally doesn't change this fact.

>>18862526
Wow you're an absolute retard

>>18862535
>Tolkien's most famous work, The Lord of the Rings, (an extremely long work written in six books and published in three volumes: The Fellowship of the Ring, The Two Towers, and The Return of The King) takes place in a very vivid world called Middle-earth.

>>18862526
>he doesn't know
You will never be a Lambengolmor.
You will never grasp the Lámatyávë.

>>18862539
>>18862526
Pathetic Tolkienlet.

>>18862539
>written in six books
Thank you for proving me right.

>>18862550
Into three volumes which the chart does in here >>18862456

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>>18862555
Of all the autistic shit to argue about...

>>18862555
>written in six books
That's all I needed to hear.

>>18862558
I accept your defeat.

>>18862556
We could argue about maps and small landmasses not making sense.

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>>18862503
ur the type of dude to call it the middle earth universe

>>18862567
This. The Malazan world has way too many people despite being the size of the fucking Azores

>>18862574
Absolutely not. I feel nothing but disgust for those who would use such grotesque terms for Eä, as well as idiots such as "ur"self who respect neither the English language nor Tolkien's legendarium in its fullness.

>>18862575
I've just always assumed the main Malazan "islands" are the size of small continents considering how long it takes many of the armies to cross areas of them

>>18862456
for me it's 250k and under. Only exception is Game of Thrones.

250k and under is the length I like

>>18862503
I calculated the Second Apocalypse series:
>7 books
>~4000 pages
>~1,382,500 words
That would place Bakker between the Expanse and ASoIaF.

>>18862575
The Iron Island are another such case, made even more ridiculous when they're shown to be tiny.

>>18862608
How far would the No God take him?

>>18862613
Irrelevant; since he'll never finish it.

If by some chance he did, and it was three volumes, at ~550 words per book and ~350 words per page... well, you do the math.

>>18862617
No, I asked you so I wouldn't have to do math.
>550 words per book
That's a short book

>>18862612
Kek, is this one of those things that Martin had no idea? Like with The Wall? When he was shown a 3D image of it and was shocked on how big it is? Because I refuse to believe those tiny islands managed to conquer the river lands. Especially from the StormLands.

>>18862619
Have you ever considered trying to be less of a faggot?

>>18862627
Why do you bother to post if you just give up half-way?

>>18862456
>First Law is only three books
Why? It's got 10 books now.

>>18861345
the slog of slogs boys...

>>18862620
Has there ever been an author or writer with a sense of scale? Because it seems no matter what, the world they make just doesn't make any sense whatsoever. Anyways, Martin went back and made some revisions on his world map.

>>18862648
That's not Wheel of Time

>>18862653
The land of always winter is just the North Pole?

>>18862674
Looks like Greenland

>>18862674
>The land of always winter is just the North Pole?
Pretty much. Westeros is very likely linked to the northern polar icecap either by land or a massive sheet of ice. Turns out the planet of A song of Ice and Fire is only 8% larger than our own world and the world is a sphere just under 27,000 miles in circumference, meaning that all the lands we know account for just over a quarter of the world’s total surface. Far more lands, maybe even continents larger than Westeros, may lie across the Sunset Sea or beyond Asshai.

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>Deep Lore warning<
Reminder thatASOIAF takes place within a fractal simulation or pocket universe inside the Lovecraft universe.

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>>18862721
>Four huge continents
>Barely makes up a quarter of the landmass
What the fuck was Martin thinking?

>>18862742
He wasn’t. He is infamous for being a discovery writer. Basically he just sits down to write whatever the fuck his sick mind comes up with. Seems to work in his case.

>>18862754
It worked for a few books but now he's trapped in a corner and can't find his way out

>>18862766
Isn’t that due to him killing an important character early on that he couldn’t retcon it like with Carleton?

>>18862778
I don't know. All I know is that he's in a bind.

>>18862766
What's the corner? He's killed off a lot of characters, but there are a ton left still. Seems like he's just been beating around the bush for years now. Tell the goddamn story George.

>>18862782
Either it was Eddard, Robert, or Renly. Those two were the only major characters to die early on.

>>18862782
I don't know what that corner is, but it's taken him 10 years to not get out of it.

>>18862782
Rebel Moral reporting in.

>>18862782
>What's the corner?
Probably has to do with Stannis. Daenerys is clear cut, Jon as well. Tyrion is a bit more murky and Theon is with Stannis.

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>>18862782
It’s because he kept on adding new POV with each book. Lost track of the original goal.

>>18862018
Try Xeele Sequence by Stephen Baxter.

>>18862792
he will never finish the series

>>18862836
I know.

>>18860939
>Sent.

>>18862836
he will

>>18862782
>What's the corner?
He let the Lannisters win the war of the five kings even though for the majority thy were losing terribly.

>>18862856
He may finish Winds of Winter but there's no way he'll ever finish A Dream of Spring

>>18862874
A man can hope, anon.

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>>18862786
All of these are partly true.
He made it up as he went along, wove way too many threads, introduced way too many characters, couldn't figure out what to do with the old ones. Say what you want about the show, but at least they wrapped everything up albeit in the stupidest way possible for every single character– the showrunners finished the story. GRRM has way too much time invested in his characters and factions and history and world and he would rather just stroll through its myriad corners than efficiently finish what he's started.

I say kill Stannis and be done with it.
Night King defeated but Jon has to kill Queen Dany was the end he's planned all along afaik. Everyone know's that's coming, so just take us there already George. Move.

>>18862902
You can't kill Stannis, he's the rightful king.

>>18862902
>I say kill Stannis and be done with it.
He's the rightful heir to the Iron Throne.

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>>18862909
only possible answer is the most obvious one
>deep lore ahead<
tyrion, aka rhaego targaryen, (time traveling son of dany and drogo), is azor ahai, and must reset the simulation, as the entire world is inside a fractal crystal within the domain of an eldritch void entity in the Lovecraft universe. also, ned is a pigeon.

>>18862929
I thought Tyrion was the bastard son of Aerys and Joanna Lannister

>be /sffg/ poster
>open up the newly released volume 13 of your favorite series: Mist-Sisters of Yanub
>picks up from the perspective of Sharloong in the city of Yallalng, Hoogoo province, Kingdom of Hghibi
>Sharloong is just a guard
>wow! a guard! that's relatively mundane for a fantasy series... but it's SUCH a great perspective from which to worldbuild and you can slip in SO many "something weird happens but the protagonist responds to it as if its normal" jokes
>chapter 2 Sharlong is guarding duchess Hibiwibi
>long conversation about how women are, like, the only ones really holding society together while men are manipulated too easily with sex
>chapter 3, Herloong has a hot lesbian sex scene with the duchess
>chapter 4, Herloong is standing guard when a shadowy figure appears from midair and murders the duchess!!!
>wait... the assassin is Yhumhuk from volume 4!
>he hasn't appeared since he went his own way from The Party after teaching Sarah (one of the deuteragonists) the art of short-range teleportation over a 5-year training period in the mountains (this of course was passed over via a time-skip)
>he isn't explicitly referred to by name so you jizz your pants because you got the subtle reference
>Hoorloong goes literally grimdark insane because the duchess was murdered and Yhumhuk escaped
>10k civilians massacred
>you have to put the book down because it's getting too intense for you
>jeez... this author isn't shying away from the big issues...
>open r/fantasy to post about it
>somebody points out that Herlloong was actually present as an orphan in the prequel volume 12.5 (700 pages, only published as an ebook)
>wait.... you didn't know that 12.5 existed because it was only announced by the author in a post on r/transbian that 50 people saw
>you curse yourself for being so negligent and vow never to let this happen again
>you pay $30 to download the ebook
>the font in the .pdf is comic sans, but that's ok because you're in it for substance, not style
>it's kino: first 300 pages literally just The Party chilling out in le taverns, exploring le dungeons, etc
>"Zingo ducked behind a boulder and yelled 'infurnuam', sending a barrage of binary fireballs out of his palm and into the dark depth of the cavern. 'holy fuck!' yelled Zingo."
>you pause
>at first this sentence appears to be just another of the author's sublime proses but something halts your eyes on the final period, your focus drilling into its black emptiness as you struggle to become conscious of whatever incongruity triggered your subconscious alarm bells
>when did Zingo learn to shoot binary fireballs? Wasn't he only skilled enough to shoot normal ones?
>but then he did find a plasmatechnics amulet 100 pages prior and the author is always so careful to leave things unsaid so that readers could read between the lines
>you go on discord and PM IceLionessGoddess the foremost Mist-Sisters of Yanub plasmatechnics expert and official Mist-Sisters of Yanub fandom administrator

>>18862945
>4 hours later, IceLionessGoddess hasn't responded
>you check her twitter, her pinned tweet is a suicide note denouncing TERFs and the British NHS
>you're on your own
>you go to your bookmarks and open up the official Mist-Sisters of Yanub lore bible (available for free on the author's website)
>it's written in one of the author's invented languages: Goobeesi
>you haven't got a great grasp on Goobeesi so you grab the fan-written Goobeesi dictionary (purchased at a con last year) off your bookshelf
>the dictionary entries are not in alphabetical order so progress is slow
>thank luna that about half document you need, 'On The Geometry of Magic Artifacts Influencing Plasmatechnics and Biotechnics Relative to Mana Entropy and Mana Structure, Comparative Analysis of Dark Elves, Humans, Dwights,' is equations and diagrams so you can manage well enough with a scrappy TL
>you're going over the proofs when you get a disord notification
>IceLionessGoddess is okay, she received medical treatment in time and is well on the way to recovering from her tylenol overdose
>she informs you that the author has acknowledged the various inconsistencies in the magic system noticed by readers of 12.5 and so has made the first half of the book non-canon
>IceLionessGoddess links you a fanfic endorsed by the author as a supplement to the expunged segment
>you groan at the prospect of having to read a 4.3 million word fanfic before you can enjoy volume 13 of your favorite fantasy series
>oh well... you signed up for the /sffg/ lifestyle, there's no turning back now

>>18862945
Thanks for this

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>>18862947
holy based and epic metapost

>>18862962
Seems to be OC also

>>18862939
>Tyrion was the bastard son of Aerys and Joanna Lannister
Any proof of this other than Aerys groping Joanna during the wedding?

>>18862945
I feel like the inclusion of trannies made your story worse, considering this kind of autism is more typical of non-tranny men

>>18862995
Pretty sure Tyrion was born with a tail if reports are to believed.

>>18863043
And if I'm not mistaken, Tyrion has pale blonde hair - in contrast to Jaime and Cersei's golden blonde - and his eyes are said to be mismatched like another notable Targaryen bastard; Shiera Seastar.

>>18863029
Not him but I disagree.

>>18863065
Do elaborate

>>18863084
I believe the complete and total opposite of what you said and I base this on a gut feeling.

>>18863093
So nothing?

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>>18863029
it seems the writer is either a simp for trannies (chaser) or a tranny himself

>>18863107
Nothing wrong with being inclusive

>>18863107
>inability to recognize satire
never change /sffg/

>>18863132
>Backpedaling.

>>18862929
>tyrion, aka rhaego targaryen,
Would be better if he was just a Targaryen bastard. Pretty sure that’s what people have been angling these days. That and Euron and Darioo being the same person.

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>>18862924
>Stannisfags.
God, I fucking hate the tv show for butchering his character so much.

>>18863199
The directors even said it themselves that they didn't understand Stannis.

>>18863203
No, those fags preferred Renly of all people over Stannis.

>>18863209
No, I'm pretty sure were just trying to milk the show and try to make themselves better than they really are. It's telling their dealings with Disney fell through once the story concluded.

>>18863219
The ending must have killed any and all interest in the series considering it’s not even mentioned anymore.

>>18863225
I'll never stop laughing at the fact that people actually named their daughters after Daenerys. Shit is so surreal.

>>18863231
I forgot about that, but weren’t people trying to change their names after Daenerys turned evil and died?

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>>18863233
It was Khaleesi, though a few parents did named their daughters Daenerys

>>18863235
I don’t think I’ve ever seen fans of series ever so something like this.

>>18862707
Is this map official? If so, I haven’t seen this.

>>18863107
Good news: you're valid to me.
Bad news: you will NEVER be a woman.

>>18863251
Why are you guys so obsessed with trannies?

>>18863256
Projection , from my limited understanding.

>>18863258
I just thought tranny just became a general insult at this point/

>>18863267
It’s a bitch of both.

>>18863271
>Bit

>>18862742
>What the fuck was Martin thinking?
He wasn’t. Idiot called himself a gardener who tailors his story or someshit.

>>18863235
most of these slack-jawed tards actually believed the character's name was khaleesi not daenerys and named their children off of this misunderstanding. people are so fucking stupid. kek

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>>18863279
We’ll, it looks like he’s reaping what he sows now.

New thread
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>>18863287
At least they outed themselves.

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kino post