/lit/ - Literature

>>18849642
Peace, this is exactly what I needed at this moment, thank you for sharing.

>>18850268
Finally, a religion I can get behind.

>>18850268
Charlie Chaplin was a Buddhist??

>>18850667
>>18850963
>>18851650

>>18849642
very nice, ty bro

>>18851650

>>18852335
lol what is the link? i don't want to click

>>18853088
what do you mean what is it? OP said it is a lecture wtf you on about?

>>18853099
oh i thought you said 'very nice try bro' lmao

>>18849642
Imagine needing to rely on ancient retards to "level up".

Truth is right in front of you.

>>18853130
>t. contemporary retard

>>18853189
Nice non-argument.

>>18849642
>mfw listening to british sounding voice deride Islam and accuse it of being a "shaivist" religion that he feels comfortable denigrating from the position of his adopted identity as an internet hare krishna fanatic
so many confusions...

OP just read Guénon (pbuh), if he can't extricate you from your madness, nobody can

>>18853237
yeah when i heard him identify with trumpworld I definitely wavered in my trust of this as a source

>>18853225
>ARGUE AGAINST MY NAME CALLING!

>>18853237
bruh you a legit retard or something?

>>18853276
I'm like, the opposite of retarded

>>18853309
prove it

>>18853237
All abrahamiats are shivites

>>18850268
>buddha_on_women.png

>>18854086
how can I prove that to you?
>>18854107
>All abrahamiats are shivites
Why?

can someone give me a TLDR?
it looks interesting but the video is nearly six hours long and there and doesn't included any description of topics.

>>18854228
Because they worship brahma (the material god of the Jews or what the gnostics call the demiurge) instead of Vishnu. It is very complex mate if you want to understand it I went into great detail in this thread
https://archived.moe/lit/thread/18773491/#18773522

>>18854377
no one said you have to listen to it all in one sitting my dude. You have time for every retarded thing under the sun that you do, you can make time for this...... or not. Your call

>>18854588
>Because they worship brahma
Setting aside the question of whether that's even true, why would that make them Shaivites? Shaivites worship Shiva, not brahma.

>>18854633
I already told you it is complex. If I explain to you, you wont understand. They are Shivites, the Muslims have a shiva linghum in their kabba and the vatican has one in their courtyard

>>18849642
Anyone know who the original creator of the video is or where his channel is? Would like to hear more from him, especially the video he mentioned of him commenting on the alt-right.

>>18854633

>>18854718
brutus the insane, you can find his vids on odysee
https://odysee.com/@Brutus:d

>>18854713
>I already told you it is complex.
I understand that, and I understand how complex these things can be, as I study Indian philosophy myself. It seems though that you have a confused understanding of these things and I'm just asking for clarifications regarding the contradictory things you have said.

You call Abrahamics "Shaivites" because they "worship brahma" or the "demiurge", but this is wrong since Brahmā is a different deity than Shiva.

>If I explain to you, you wont understand. They are Shivites,
Why? Christians, Muslims, Jews etc don't claim to worship Shiva, and their theology and metaphysics differs notably from Shaivist theology and metaphysics.

>the Muslims have a shiva linghum in their kabba and the vatican has one in their courtyard
the resemblance of one building to another building or ritual object does nothing to prove which god a group of people is actually worshipping.

>>18854786
sigh .....

Abrahamism is very elementary compared to hindu cosmology. You realize this right? Brahma is the gatekeeper of the realms, the Universes/lokas. This is what the Gnostics think is the demiurge. However Shiva would be more like the Satan character in their mythology even though Shiva is not necessarily evil Christcucks are too immature and dumb to understand the difference between something that destroys to create something new and their own feelz about destruction being evil. This is obviously very simplified but so are they.

Shiva is the master of the material realm, when he opens his eyes he brings form into existence and grants the materialists their desires or w/e. When they prey for these things they are really praying to Shiva. You are mixing mechanics and philosophy here so it isnt 1 for 1

>>18854786
occult Jews are actually somewhat aware of this fact in some sense. You do realize when they have a wake for their dead they call it sitting shiva right?

>>18854845
shiva was the ultimate Vaishnav

>>18854756
thanks bro

>>18854879
>>18854871
my pleasure bros

>>18854845

>Shiva is the master of the material realm, when he opens his eyes he brings form into existence and grants the materialists their desires or w/e. When they prey for these things they are really praying to Shiva.
Why would that make them praying to Shiva if Brahma is supposed to be the gatekeeper of the Universes/lokas and not Shiva? You are saying on the one hand that Brahma is the god of Abrahamists and materialists and then inconsistently switching your position by saying they are also worshipping Shiva, despite Hinduism generally or Hindu philosophy making a clear distinction between Brahma and Shiva.

>>18854900
Because Brahma doesnt really grant prayers and shit like that. No one prays to Brahma. He is doing other shit. He is like a secutrity in a sense while Shiva is more like the Shepard. Shiva is the one who would grant prayers in the material realm.

I never said Brahma is the God of the Abrahamists I said he is who the Gnostics are referring too as the demiurge in their model. I guess you could say the Abrahamists are mixing brahma and shiva into one but again this isnt one to one and is complex.

>>18854927
>Shiva is the one who would grant prayers in the material realm.
Many deeply devoted Vaishnavites believe the same about Vishnu

>I guess you could say the Abrahamists are mixing brahma and shiva into one but again this isnt one to one and is complex.
Then you shouldn't make blanket statements like you did earlier such as "all abrahamics are shaivites"

>>18854945
Don't tell me what to do faggot. You can't even comprehend wtf I am talking about and I will do w/e I want. If they aren't devotees of Krishna then they are by definition shivites pleb.

>>18851650
Yes.

>>18854957
>Don't tell me what to do faggot.
I'm pointing out that you are setting yourself up for failure by making contradictory statements and claims.

>If they aren't devotees of Krishna then they are by definition shivites pleb.
That's not an agreed-upon principle of Hindu philosophy but is a narrow sectarian view, it has nothing to do with traditional Hinduism. Traditional Vaishnavas schools don't set up Shiva as some bad 'other' that all non-Vaishnavas are actually worshipping.

ITT: Mlechha seething. Your half assed ooga booga stories are not true. Stop sprouting shit about topic you don't understand. May Indra smite you out of existence.

>>18855030
They arent contradictory you just dont understand it and you wont understand it without years of study

>>18849642
>white genocide is a symptom of the kali yuga
holy based

>>18849642
>btw the Vedas ARE A BOOK YOU STUPID FUCKING JANNIES
What? The Vedas were ancient Indo-Aryans. They were not books.

>>18849642
What's the best translation of the vedas? Is Griffith good? Is there anything like a study version that has copious footnotes or extra-textual asides that explain things better to a retard like me?

Why are Krishna-fags always raving on about the Vedas? You are not following the Vedas!

>>18857915
I don't get it either.
Ancient Veda Enjoyer:
>worship gods
>fight to get cattle and women
>eat meat
>drink soma
>generally be a chad
Modern ISKON fan:
>worship only Krishna (some literally who not even mentioned in the Vedas)
>don't fight or have sex
>just sit around all day mumbling to yourself
>vegetarian

Is there a complete unabridged English translation of all 4 vedas??

>ISKCON
kek, explains alot about the "abrahamiats are shivites" poster

>>18858015
sadly, no

>>18858015
>>18858038
How many pages would that even be? If it's anything like the Mahabharata it would be far too long for any reasonable price.

>>18857915
>You are not following the Vedas!
Yes, they are. They're just not following what you think the Vedas are.

>>18854845
Which Gnostics distinguish between Satan and the Demiurge as separate principles?

>>18856831
>They arent contradictory
Yes they are, Brahma isnt Shiva, hence Brahma worshippers aren’t worshipping Shiva.
>you just dont understand it and you wont understand it without years of study
I already have studied Indian philosophy for multiple years

>>18858042
>How many pages would that even be?
This is an unabridged translation of the Rig-Veda alone

>>18858056
Well they say YHWH is the demiurge not satan. I know it is semantics but you have to talk in their terminology or else it is easy to be misunderstood. They think the snake in Eden was the good guy in their interpretation which would be satan

>>18858057
autism
>I already have studied Indian philosophy for multiple years
The exoteric, obviously not the esoteric

>>18858180
>Brahma = Shiva
>Muh esoteric knowledge
If you want to make a case of Brahma and Shiva being different sides of the same coin, at least include Vishnu and address them as the Trimurti, pleb.

>>18858580
This

>>18858580
>exoteric retard advertising how clueless they are while trying to look like they aren't
classic 4chinz

>>18859748
Exoteric this and esoteric that, are you baiting or just retarded? Do you even know the terms you are using?
Just out of curiosity, what is your esoteric understanding of this picture?

I am torn between being Christian and being a Vaishnava. I have a more difficult time feeling moved spiritually with vaishnavism but would rather hang with Krishna devotees than your average Christian.

>>18858057
>Stephanie Jamison
I'm skeptical to the accuracy of the translation, especially when one of the translators is a woman who also wrote Sacrificed Wife/Sacrificer's Wife: Women, Ritual, and Hospitality in Ancient India.

>>18859871
First you said, that I said, Brahma is the God of the Abrahamists, then you said, that I said, Brahma and Shiva are the same person. I never said either and CLEARLY distinguished between them all and their roles which you do not understand and you are asking me if I am the one that is retarded? WTF is wrong with you guy? You can't even comprehend what you are reading.

I dont feel like effort posting rn, I might come back later and tell you about that image.

>>18860155
>>18858580
This was my first reply to you in this thread. I'm not the other person you argued with.
>>18860155
>Because they worship brahma
You did say that Brahma was the god of Abrahamists or did you mistype?
It's hard comprehending your message since you keep on contradicting yourself.

>>18860198
In the cosmological model of the Abrahamists Gnostics, Brahma is who would be their demiurge, for the 3rd time.

I havent contradicted anything you just dont understand the material or the concepts anymore than you would understand two people at CERN talking about quantum mechanics.

>how could it be a particle and a wave? You are contradicting yourself!
No, I'm not, you just dont understand enough to be able to explain it to you in a way you will comprehend it

>>18860245
I already see Vishnu, Brahma and Shiva as one. You don't have to convince me or school me on Sanatana Dharma.

>All abrahamiats are shivites
Then another anon asked you, how come?
And you answered:
>Because they worship Brahma

Feel free to explain, so far you are not doing so well.

>>18860262
nah I think I will pass. maybe later

>>18858180
>The exoteric, obviously not the esoteric
I have studied esoteric doctrines of Hinduism like Vedanta and some Tantra. Just because I disagree with what OP says doesn’t mean I only studied the exoteric.

>>18860245
>>how could it be a particle and a wave? You are contradicting yourself!
When did I ever write anything like that? You are shit posting against a straw man.
>No, I'm not, you just dont understand enough to be able to explain it to you in a way you will comprehend it
Convenient way of saying "I'm out of my depth".

>>18860289
you talk like a faggot and your shits all retarded

>>18849642
>"great lecture on the vedas"
>ISKCON
>Anglo
>Hare Krishna used to be based but its the jews and hippies fault